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Did Saddam Have WMDs After All: ISIS Overruns Iraq Chemical Weapons 'Mega-Facility'
With all eyes firmly focused on what really matters (the oil refineries), The Telegraph reports that ISIS has over-run a Saddam Hussein-era chemical weapons (CW) complex. The al-Muhanna 'mega-facility', about 60 miles south of Baghdad, gives the jihadists access to disused stores of hundreds of tonnes of potentially deadly poisons including mustard gas and sarin. The US state department is 'concerned' but "do not believe that the complex contains CW materials of military value." However, as a former commander of Britain's chemical weapons regiment warned, "we have seen that ISIS has used chemicals in explosions in Iraq before and has carried out experiments in Syria." This is likely great for ISIS 2014 Annual Report; but, of course, the other awkward question is: does this mean Saddam did have WMDs (and ISIS found them) after all?
As The Telegraph reports, the jihadist group bringing terror to Iraq overran a Saddam Hussein chemical weapons complex on Thursday...
Isis invaded the al-Muthanna mega-facility 60 miles north of Baghdad in a rapid takeover that the US government said was a matter of concern.
The facility was notorious in the 1980s and 1990s as the locus of Saddam’s industrial scale efforts to develop a chemical weapons development programme.
During its peak in the late 1980s to early 1990s, Iraq produced bunkers full of chemical munitions.
A CIA report on the facility said that 150 tons of mustard were produced each year at the peak from 1983 and pilot-scale production of Sarin began in 1984.
Its most recent description of al-Muthanna in 2007 paints a disturbing picture of chemicals strewn throughout the area.
“Two wars, sanctions and UN oversight reduced Iraqi’s premier production facility to a stockpile of old damaged and contaminated chemical munitions (sealed in bunkers), a wasteland full of destroyed chemical munitions, razed structures, and unusable war-ravaged facilities,” it said.
“Some of the bunkers contained large quantities of unfilled chemical munitions, conventional munitions, one-ton shipping containers, old disabled production equipment and other hazardous industrial chemicals.”
Britain has previously acknowledgeded that the nature of the material contained in the two bunkers would make the destruction process difficult and technically challenging.
Should we be worried?
US officials revealed that the group had occupied the sprawling site which has two bunkers encased in a concrete seal. Much of the sarin is believed to be redundant.
“We remain concerned about the seizure of any military site by the [Isis],” Jen Psaki, the State Department spokeswoman, said. “We do not believe that the complex contains CW materials of military value and it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to safely move the materials.”...
Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former commander of Britain’s chemical weapons regiment, said that al-Muthanna has large stores of weaponized and bulk mustard gas and sarin, most of which has been put beyond ready use in concrete stores.
“It is doubtful that Isis have the expertise to use a fully functioning chemical munition but there are materials on site that could be used in an improvised explosive device,” he told the Telegraph.
“We have seen that Isis has used chemicals in explosions in Iraq before and has carried out experiments in Syria.”
One US official told the Wall Street Journal yesterday that Isis fighters could be contaminated by the chemicals at the site.
“The only people who would likely be harmed by these chemical materials would be the people who tried to use or move them,” the military officer said.
This asset growth is likely great for ISIS 2014 Annual Report...
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"ISIL finds MH370, fully fueled on desert runway, with instruction manuals in Arabic. Details at 11!"
with a koran some syrian and russian passports a google map navigation for auschwitz birkenau.
these peskie evil doers want to make the jews live the hollow hoax all over again and again.
how cruel.
not good enough... needs to fly into a building and them some other stuff falls down, before the sheeple even notice, that's the new paradigm unfortunately...
needs to be well insured. taking out a giant file cabinet of all physical ISDA docs makes the target extra special.
needs to be well insured. taking out a giant file cabinet of all physical ISDA docs makes the target extra special.
The chemical munitions and the associated facility (ies) is not just now being reported. It was reported on several years ago, and if memory serves me (and it does), the response of the DemPerv party and their media Molls was that if was nothing but old munitions from an earlier era of Saddam's secular butchery. Cheers to you Russophiles and Arab apologists.
PS: Saddam held the UN Inspection team at bay for more than six months before even allowing them in country and then thwarted every attempt to conduct the inspections. Who doesn't know that before the UN Resolution authorizing force against the Baathist Regime was implemented, that much of its most sensitive weaponry was secreted to Assad (Another Baathist Regime). Hell, right up to the date of "shock and awe" Saddam even implored the Ayatollahs to take possession of its fighter jets. Iran rejected the offer. If memory serves me (and it does), eight months after the invasion, the 'crypto-Zio' forces discovered 20 or so buried Iraqi fighter jets.
Ya'll beginning to sound like bumper sticker intellects to which you feel sooo superior. Weak and even a hint of your own particular tribal bleating.
Yes, the US was in so much danger. Give me a fucking break.
You aren't replying to me are you? I mean there is nothing in my post about any danger to anyone, or what if anything should be done by the US. The comments are what prompted me to post a comment.
I recall seeing IR images of jet fighters buried under the sand in Syria, just over the Iraq/Syria border. That stuff did go on even if you don't want to believe it.
Of COURSE Saddam had chemical weapons, he used them against how many villages?
Here's where they went, for anyone that doesn't have their heads up their asses: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2003-10-29/news/0310290219_1_illicit-...
Almost too good to be true if you wanted to put troops into the place.......
And if true how did they know to hit that complex and secondly it would mean the US had to have known weapons were there while the place was occupied.
And couple this with Syria gassing civilians again it like at first if your lie doesn't work double down on it the next round. Don't give these people too much credit.
No, all those Hispanics are an Army being raised by Obama. One that will kill US citizens with no questions asked.
Kill a gringo for a green card. I'd heard that the USMC enlistments were over 50% hispanic now.
Biggest concocted BS ever! Now someone happens to find WMD after 11 years and it just happens to be ISIS, who Feinstein and crew says are the new "bad guys".
Was "Feinstein and crew" referenced implicitly or otherwise in the above article, or is your intellect and black soul on an endless loop of 'it's the Joooooos?'
Will Joke Biden go on National TV and say Obama shoud be impeached if he does not gain congressional approval for war in Iraq? Who wants to bet there will be a double standard for a Democrat negro President?
We already know there will be a double standard in the Socalist Semite democrat media.
Obama was against war in Iraq before he was for it.....
Obama ain't gonna do shit regarding Iraq. At least nothing more than window dressing. So don't sweat it, maybe we'll still be alive when Europe formally surrenders to the Mohammedans.
are there any jihadists under your bed? ... you're not fooling anyone here with your tripe... go directly back to Mossad training camp, and do not collect 200 shekels ...
This chem-war meme is being pushed out now because "they" are going to use gas in Shia areas in the coming weeks.
TPTB want a re-ignition of Iran-Iraq ('80-'88), which had limited chemical warfare.
The plan is to ramp up a Sunni chemical assault on Shia neighborhoods in Baghdad and otherwise get an Iranian incursion into Iraq.
Keep in mind that this facility is an hour south of Baghdad. Never mind the war-fighting capacity of these guys, think of the swiftness of their logistics to be this organized in their capacity to roam unimpeded across a region the size of the US New England+ and just within the last weeks.
It's not like they have satellite cover, JSTARS, or "advisers."
safer for the tbtb bankers then nukes. tbtb guys really understand that radiation travels to swizterland. would put a dent in parties. sarin might wind down quicker. great stuff.
Thankfully the right people are in charge. The best and the brightest. The most ethical and the most transparent. Don't let this concern you.
They all have MBAs. Duh.
So you are saying that the entire UN inspectors, the entire US military combined could not find this but ISIS drives right to it and it is a mega facility. Ahh, why do I find this to be fucking bullshit lies?
The voice of reason...Jack Burton
Jack, they DID find the facility. It was the UN which put all that shit into concrete tombs. The facility was taken apart for any real productivity but just not properly cleaned up. This was NOT a surprise. Basically it's a "former" CW production facility that is now a toxic dump.
Some of Iraq's WMDs were transferred to Syria, and the ISIS Islamists transfered them back.
your honour
i believe it was the catholic child rapist tony blair that once said saddam had weapons that could hit london in 45 mins after launch.
did the isis find inter continental ballistic missiles and if they have these does that mean these could hit freedomville usa in 160mins.
i think we need a real jack bauer rather than a shit neocon zio con scriptwriter.
The ICBM's are still in Pakistan. However, they can be transferred at a moment's notice.
What's up with all the child raping among the oligarchs in England and Belgium?
not just england but scotland and wales
belgium is nasty
but what about the whitehouse and the bush family
Conspiracy Of Silence / The Franklin Cover-up HQ Version!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQHrbJPhus4
I just checked out 5 minutes of that. Disturbing. Put it on my watch later list but I don't think I'll be having popcorn with it. So much sickness.
somehow a Super Adventure Club life appeals to the idle rich..
the owners are different
child raping is part of the Luciferian religion
Boy I hope they don't have a missing Boeing 777 that they are "too dumb" to fly.
Good news:
"Report: US Secretary of State Kerry expected to travel to Iraq 'soon,' congressional sources say - @AFP"
Bad news:
He intends to return.
I wonder how long it will take for the algos to latch on to Isis Pharmaceuticals (ISIS ) and flash smash it on some random headline...
sorry,double post
lol, thats good
this fucking blog is loaded with NSA and fed fucking with my post
i'm sick of losing post/comments going poof -- for nor reason
pissed!
at Yes_Questions, we know you have your choice of targets so we'd like to thank you for spying on us.
If there is anything we have to make your spying more pleasant, please do not hesitate to take it!
They found Saddam in a hole in Tikrit but could not find a stockpile of mustard gas in a warehouse? Give me a break. Pure propaganda.
Just like how they found bin Laden and the mastermind for Bengazhi.
Next they will rescue the kidnapped girls in Africa and solve all the unsolved mysteries of Unsolved Mysteries!
Yes, who could believe this drivel, so they are saying that the US army invaded Iraq, slaughtered thousands of people , occupied the country, but oops. big cash of chemical weapons in plain site that we forgot to do anything about. If it was true that would just make the US army a complete joke.
Clearly propaganda to try and get the masses all riled up for some more killing, all in a good cause of course.
Get fucking real.
Here is what is REALLY going on in Eye - raq
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-destruction-and-political-fragmentation-of-iraq-towards-the-creation-of-a-us-sponsored-islamist-caliphate/5386998
Saddle up.
'The Age of Deception" : Nuclear Diplomacy in Treacherous Times c.2011 by Mohamad Elbaradei IAEA/ UNSCOM- UNMOVIC [Chemical, Biological, Missile Technology]
How convenient......just in time to have a "reason" to put boots back on the ground. The only things is, why all the surprise? The US government sold them that stuff in the first place, to Saddam.
Sarin: violently contracts and relaxes one's muscles in with increasingly rapid frequency as the poison takes effect. The end result is that an individual affected by the gas dies by involuntarily snapping their own spine and neck.
Some species we are!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPKf7y1F-Q
BRILLIANT !
This whole circus is just disgusting.
The endless minuet of human perversion.
For fuck's sake, cut me a fucking break.
USA! USA!
one for Hiroshima
one for Nagasaki
Fuck you MSM! you'll have to wag the dog better than this.
I cannot understand for a moment why the Bush administration didn't just plant chemical weapons or nukes in Iraq and then say "We found em - mission accomplished". Of all the lying, cheating and stealing US congress people undertake why the fuck did they not just plant the damned weapons. You see, all this talk of consipracy bullshit, of inside job this, inside job that, and something that would have been piss easy to pull off, WASN'T.
Does anyone see why I'm a bit skeptical of the whole 9/11 inside job theory. Fly a C-5 Galaxy load of chemical or biological weapons into Iraq, drive them to a warehouse, add a few bells and whistles like a laboratory, some caged rats and even some prison cells with dead, poisened Iraq's and WALLAH, credible evidence for the attack on Iraq.
People are obsessed with concocting the most incredibly elaborate explanations and schemes for just about everything under the sun including HAARP induced earthquakes causing Fukushima when in fact the world is just slowly tending toward chaos and shit happens without some Lex Luther or Dr Evil type madman planning it all.
I sometimes think the world is actually slowly going insane. I was reading some bullshit last night about people seeing these flashing red, blue, green and yellow lights in the night sky and have somehow convinced themselves that the world is on the brink of an extraterrestial encounter. It seems like a mass delusion (beyond the religion thing) is taking hold. If you want a dose of absolute hysteria peruse beforeitsnews.com. Admittedly this site seems to be a evangelical christian based website so a hugh leveel of delusion is quite understandable.
For those who will down arrow me for the 9/11 skepticism just provide your explanation for why the Bush administration didn't plant the weapons in Iraq. And please don't say because they didn't feel like it or didn't think it was necessary.
Oh, the regular 'It's the Joooos' posters aren't so different than the Yams blathering that Bush had the levies blown up to drown black folk.
Po joose
I am a victim oh lord I am a victim
Drunk on PotatoWine?
It is wonderful you have such a reputation for being stupid, that way not much is expected of you
Who was that Irish saint that lead the snakes outta Ireland?
Drunk on PotatoWine? That's a keeper!
Is it time to dance on roof tops yet? Oy!
Bldg 7
Like I've said in other posts, it's within the realm of possibility that US authorities knew of the 9/11 plot and let it unfold, maybe in fact greased the wheels so it could. Under these circumstances it might also be possible that the WTC7 was imploded but ask yourself this. WHY ???????? If you wanted to destroy evidence of the investigation into the missing 2 trillion wouldn't it be easier to press the delete button on the files and the backups and use a shredder for the hard copies.
I do understand though the dilemma of building 7. No steel framed building in history has ever collapsed (so perfectly whats more) from fire. Maybe some crazy bastards did conccot and execute this. If this is the case the truth will eventually come out but probably not before Bush is living on his property in Uraguay.
stupid post -Mossad, Saudi and US intelliegence -with active cooperation of Bush/Cheney and the Neocons did 911. Quit your stupid routine.
Why does any skepticism of 9/11 generate such anger. Explain why Bush didn't plant WMDs in Iraq then come back to me. Believe me, it's a healthy skepticism I have. I think the above mentioned people would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaasy too stupid to pull something like this off.
Look, if someone squeals and has proof it's an inside job and the buildings were imploded and the Pentagon hit with a missile I wouldn't be all that surprised. That it was kept a secret I will be fucking amazed.
It's skeptics like you that allow the evil in plain sight to go unnoticed. Open up your fucking eyes. They don't lie. Building 7 was clearly a controlled demolition. There is no doubt about it. It vaporizes in seconds and falls neatly and rapidly into its own footprint, just like you've seen dozens of times in videos of other controlled demolitions of buildings. It wasn't hit by a plane. And a fire can't do this. So we can take that event as a FACT.
Now what does this FACT mean? It means someone had to wire the building weeks in advance. And what does that mean? It means THERE WAS A FUCKING CONSPIRACY -- individuals reaching an agreement to engage in unlawful and criminal conduct.
Now, as to who did it and how, that remains to be investigated, because IT HAS NEVER BEEN INVESTIGATED. But if you look at motive and opportunity, and the rest of the evidence that has been developed and written about extensively, there are answers if you're not afraid to learn the ugly and diabolical truth. There are some very evil people in this world who are highly motivated to hide the truth (so they don't end up in the electric chair), or would like to motivate people like you to do their dirty work, like fighting and dying for their causes, which usually involve their money or power. Wake the fuck up. We don't need more sheeple. We need more lions. Lots of them. People who are willing to fight for truth and justice.
First, just because a vocal segment of, well, okay, people thinks that Dubya was behind 911 doesn't mean there isn't controversy about 911. I, for one, would like to know why a difficult aerobatic maneuver was undertaken to crash into the very place where an investigation was underway to uncover a missing $2TN, in what one would think was the most heavily defended airspace in the U.S.
Mass delusion? When 90% of the fucktards in the world think that the 21st century started on January 1st, 2000, because they can't add 2000 to the year 1, that might just be a lapse in arithmetic. But when not only the media but the Queen of England goes along, is it delusion, or is it illusion?
The world isn't going insane, it is moving on, and the insanity is that the powers that be are trying to hold it back so they can continue running things.
I don't think history will be kind.
very, very minor point but WALLAH is correctly rendered "en Francais" as VOILA with an accent mark over the final "a" which I can't do via the internet.. Fixed it for ya...
Hah, point noted. I appreciate the attention to correct grammar.
I'm upping you for calling the conspiracy on conspiracy theories. It's all further evidence humans are nothing but a bunch of monkeys to me, smart? sure, but still monkeys, and will still shit their own bed every once in a while.
I always believe the real explanation of most human catastrophies are simple gross incompetence and occasionally getting dealt the shit hand of fate(fukushima was a combo of IMO).
To me, the Iraq WMD fiasco is a simple case of a bunch of inept but gun-ho propagandists who ended up brainwashing themselves. Self-propagated brainwashing, if you were an alien watching from outer space you'd probably find it hilarious.
I always get my daily jollies engaging in schadenfreude at my fellow humans, until the shit hits me of course. :)
How Conveeeeeenient. The US trained and armed ISIL army magically finds weapons of mass destruction in Iraq where no one else could find them and they tell the US press about it.
How stoopeed do they think we are?
Our master speaks
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-18/china-s-yuan-to-start-direct-tr...
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http://www.in5d.com/40-outrageous-facts-most-people-dont-know.html
Just load up the 777 formerly known as MH 370 and they're good to go...
What’s the shelf life of a chemical weapon stored in the desert, perhaps forever?
Bush is still in hiding, if that means anything.
How'd this news ever get out? Thought the MSM made sure no WMD evidence would ever hit the airwaves?
Bullshit! If the Saddam had chem-weapons, the US would have made a huge deal out of it. If the US occupied the country and decided to keep them to play with later in, cough, syria, the US would have quietly removed them prior to hand-off with the new regime - that's the only plausible scenario. But what's the benefit from doing it quietly??? This is fucking stupid. They have them, bomb them, occupy them, then there's no evidence, then they have them again!!!! Are you fucking crazy!? They don't have shit. Chem weapons are as rare as rocking horse shit, because it doesn't exist.
A NBC bunker is not something to be trifled with, and necessitates a substantial EXPOSED structure, even if it's highly covert. You don't just SURPRISE! oh, we missed that shit... oops... No fucking way. Bullshit. You need substantial ventilation and containment, and that's not something that is hidden from the fucking NRO or even the fucking US Army. What a fucking line of shit.
Soldiers would have been afraid to identify chemical weapons even if they were there. Nobody wants to go the way of Pat Tillman
They are going to find the traveling anthrax vans next. Time for Colon Powell to come out of retirement.
To think I watched that traitor speak once, holding him in some sort of reverence. What a fucking traitorous piece of shit.
Did he have his crayons and drawings? They looked pretty convincing \sarc
Give me a break. Until the bombs go off I don't believe a word of it. Are you telling me that after ten years of of teams (experts) hunting for CW in Iraq ISIS just happens to find the huge facility. This is a news headline to raise eyebrows and nothing more.
? Henry David Thoreau, Walden
Do not go where the path may lead but go where there is no path and make a trail...henry David Thoreau
OK, does ISIS = ISIL? Oh great, Al-KAY-da, Al-KI-da all over again.
Very bullish for stawks, very bullish....why?...........just cause we say so!
I want to start huffing paint now too. Apparently, everyone else is doing it. WTF. I think I'm going to have to stop using the internet now, everything is completely insane (worse than me even). There is certainly nothing wrong with paint!
I now have the impression that I have been lied to by the guys who were lied to by the guys who lied about it all from day one. So how is mustard gas and Sarin not WMD? So do any of you believe that there is anyone in the US Government that you will believe - about anything? This is like the Vietnam era talk about why we were there?
In conclusion radical Muslims killing other radical Muslims is a good thing - please do not stop it. "Radical" = no personal liberty, and no separation of church and state.
There is no reason for us to get involved. Besides, if the ISIL form a pseudo-state in between (or thereabouts) Syria and Irag many will join them - which is why weinvented nuclear weapons = trump chemical anyday.
So who out there argues that we should lose even one more GI in the name of not using our nukes to take care of these "radicals?"
"They" expect us to disarm and to "trust" this bunch of incompetents to protect us. (what exactly were they doing over there for 10 years?!) I'd be a little nervous too if taking interest rates back up means sending half our national income overseas for debt service. (how is your Chinese?_) The locals are not going to be amused. It will get a lot testier than Eric Kantor's town hall meetings. Regarding defense, I would rather trust my neighbors any day. Hell, if push comes to shove, I can take out a deer with my car.
The Iran-Iraq War (1980-88 / Chemical& Biological Weapons [WMD]) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War
"The Age of Deception" : 'Nuclear Diplomacy in Treacherous Times' c.2011 by Mohamed Elbaradei
Quotes & Excerpts pgs. 16[8], 27[19], 50-51, 65-71,118 and 211
"Iraq was known to have used chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq War"
"Saddam had long been view as an asset of the U.S.,Europe, and the Arab States, who had encouraged, supported, and financed his 1980-88 war with Iran, as a way to contain the Iranian Revolution. This of cource led to Iran's distrust and resentment of the west, and is viewed by many as the genesis of the Iranian Nuclear Program, following Iraq's use of chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq War." *[Iran Contra & Ronnie's Ollie?]
"In early October 2002, before the vote on the final, reworked resolution, Hans Blix and I were invited to a meeting at the US State Deptartment. Colin Powell was our host. Condoleezza Rice, Paul Wolfowitz, and Lewis Libby [footnote 2] rounded out the group. I was just completing my first term as General Director of the IAEA. Blix had come out of retirement to become executive chairman of the successor organization to UNSCOM, UNMOVIC, which had been somewhat dormant since its creation because of the lack of access to Iraq. UNMOVIC would focus on chemical and biological weapons and missile technology. Rice even went so far as to suggest that the person manning intelligence in UNMOVIC should be an American. 'We trust our people,' she said. Blix balked, saying that a Canadian has been designated and would be in charge. It was starting to feel like 1992 all over again."
"Chirac was astonishingly candid. 'You know why you don't get the information,' he declared. 'It is because they don't have any.' I explained, 'is that the focus on Iraq is not because of WMD's per se,but because Iraq is a Muslim and Arab country, and therefore is not allowed, like Israel, to have such weapons.' I echoed something Chirac had said: that the eagerness to take action on Iraq would not sell well in the face of doing nothing about the Israel-Palestinian conflict. I also mentioned the ctriicisms I had been hearing about the disparity in treatment between Iraq and North Korea. It always seemed to be a one-way street, with the British acting as spokespersons or apologists for the US behavior. With so little to make their case on the nuclear front--- other than the aluminum tubes allegations and the Niger Yellowcake fiasco--- many US officials nonetheless remained certain that Iraq had at least some chemical and biological weapons squirreled away. Clearly, what Chirac had said was true: neither the United States nor other countries had much in the way of intelligence information to back their convictions about Iraq's development of WMD. The The decision to go to war had already been taken in Washington. I had wanted him ([Blix] and I were a good team) to join me in requesting more time for the inspections to run their course, considering we had not found evidence of the existence of WMDs or any iminent threat, but he was unwilling to do so. Also, Blix did not have seasoned technical advisers in chemical and biological issues or missile techology. In fairness to him (Blix?) and to UNMOVIC, it was easy for them, throughout the inspections, to reach clear verification conclusions because, despite past intelligence assertions to the contrary, the Iraqis had not kept accurate records of the chemical and biological weapons they had destroyed in the 1990s. Futhermore, Blix was not always supported with accurate data."
"Rafsanjani, whom I met at his palace ([6] the Palace of Mirrors, one of the shah's old palaces) and who seemed the savviest politician of the group, had spoken passionately: 'I have seen so many of our people killed with chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq War. I cannot be the one advocating dialogue among civilization and at the same time developing nuclear weapons.' [cofidence deficit/ taqqiya?]"
"What do you really think--- is Iran trying to build a nuclear weapons program?' My assessment is a gut feeling informed by historical context, First, elements of Iran's nuclear procurement and research programs began in the mid-1980s, in the middle of the Iran-Iraq War. Iran was at the time under dire threat from Iraq; more than one hundred thousand Iranians, including civilians, reportedly fell victim to Iraq's chemical weapons. Faced with this extreme sense of vulnerability, the Iranians might have originally intended to develope nuclear weapons. But at some point--- perhaps after the war had ended or in the mid-1990s, when records show abrupt adjustments to some of Iran's nuclear programs, or perhaps after the Agency began its investigations--- Iran may well have decided to limit its program to the nuclear fuel cycle, legitimately remaining a non-nuclear-weapon state party to the NPT. In any case, my belief is that Iran has not revealed the whole truth about the beginning of its nuclear program. There might have been some military involvement in nuclear procurement and nuclear experiments. However, these skeletons in the closet are, in all probability, fairly insignificant; the body of evidence would otherwise be greater and harder to conceal."
End quotes
Ps. Iran quotes/excerpts on the final page explain how much Iran and Iraq have aligned since Saddam.
'Treaty of Arab Solidarity' in Jan/1957 (The Portsmouth Treaty or Anglo-Iraqi Treaty of 1948) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Iraqi_Treaty_(1948) 'Republic of Iraq (1958-68)' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Republic_(1958%E2%80%931968) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14_July_Revolution#Human_rights_violations_and_mass_exodus same shit diferent year... anachronism at its bestest?
B S
Dog whistle responses certainly ruled the posts regarding this non story. Bottom line, the story is ancient history and news. Why don't you force your fingers to conduct ten minutes of archival research and confirm this was reported oh, I'm thinking circa 2005-2007. It was poo pooed by the socialist media molls in concert w/ Reid and Pelosi.
Doesn't get much better than this folks!
Are we having fun yet?
I think the fun has just started. No ONE is allowed to leave the petro dollar. It will be interesting to see how far the bankers will go with russia/china exiting the petro dollar.
Of course Saddam had chemical and biological weapons because the US supplied them to him. I think Bush, Cheney, and Tenet were surprised to discover he really had destroyed most, or all, of them.
CIA will have them transferred to Ukraine so the Timoschenko Final Solution can be implemented on East Ukraine and Obama can blame Russia and have his puppet Fogh Rasmussen urge Danes to beat ploughshares into rockets for the war between Oceania and Eurasia.
1984 has come about an noone really noticed
When I examine U.S. foreign policy, I always utimately come up against the simple question: incomptence or evil? On the surface, launching a war in 2003 to stop Iraq from becoming a launching point of Islamic terror attacks with WMDs, and to see that country swarming with real Islamic terrorists who are aquiring real WMDs 10 years later appears to be the absolute height of incompetence. But then there is the "evil" argument that asks, "maybe this was the real plan all along??"
I go with "they intended evil, but incompetence came up, so they change the gameplan to say this was the plan all along"
Oh,Wait.Oh my goodness.Do you mean to tell me that Saddam Hussein actually DID HAVE WEAPONS of mass destruction after all,and that all those faggot queers who've been chanting "Bush lied,people died "for YEARS AND YEARS were actually full of shit,and wrong,DEAD WRONG???
How could this be?
And even more disturbing,that the faggot community organizer communist we elected(twice,ohmigod,TWICE!!!) need not have been elected at all,and destroyed our country,all because the press,the supposed "inst
Intuition"of our society that is supposed to 'speak truth to power" lay down on its back,spread its legs and said 'gimme that limp skinny little black boy rod of yours,if you can get it up,and give me a good dry humping,you candy man" when it was time to vet the next president of the USA?
Say it ain't so,Joe; say it ain't so
you're an idiot, a complete tool!
Don't make us bring out the crayon drawings with Colin Powell.
Experiments in Syria as in this gas attack from last year August that was blamed on the government?
And regarding the 'people that would be harmed by the chemicals are the people that use or move them': these brutal bastards don't have any empathy with people they captured so for sure they will use them to handle the chemicals.
Get real. Iraq didn't have shit. If Jihadis are using chemicals today, it is courtesy of our wonderful allies Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
Then this: 75 CDC staffers possibly exposed to anthrax
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/25822812/cdc-75-atlanta-based-staffers...
Why are they playing with this stuff in the first place?
Same reason that DHS, FDA, and many other federal agencies have been snapping up weapons and ammo.
They need to be ready to counter all the domestic terrorists that Harry Reid imagines.
"An End to Al-Qaeda" : Destroying Bin Laden's Jihad and Restoring America's Honor c.2010 by Malcolm Nance
Quotes Pg49: Part 1 "Crushed in in the Shadows" (In the absence of this popular support, the Islamic mujahed movement would be crushed in the shadows.-- Dr. Ayman Al-Zawahiri [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayman_al-Zawahiri ] )
"Syria becomes a gateway to instability in Iraq: Instead of seeking the cooperation of the Sryian government prior to the invasion of Iraq, America remained hostile to Syria, due to the perception that Syria is the principle client state of Hezbollah in Lebanon. This made Syria indifferent to extremist volunteers entering via Damascus. These volunteers provided the thousands of armed foreign fighters who infiltrated the border and joined al-Qaeda in Iraq, In addition, the Syrians allowed their Ba'athist Party peers from Saddam Hussein's regime to openly operate the armed resistance campaign from the Iraqi refugee-filled Damascus suburbs. The open pipeline, which could have been closed through diplomacy and cooperation, allowed suicide bombers and Iraqi extremists to flow in and out. The terrorists who plied these 'resistance routes' were directly responsible for thousands of deaths in Iraq."
"Turkey fights in Kurdish Northern Iraq: Kurdish extremist groups that operateed across the porous Turkish-Iraqi border find refuge in deep mountains. Without interference from the Hussein regime, they stepped up their cross-border infiltration and mounted combat operations into Turkey. In September 2004, Turkish forces warned Kurdish forces, then commenced combat operations against them. There are continuing clashes between this NATO member on the terrain of the newly liberated Iraqi Republic."
end quotes.
Hezbollah ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah )
Muslim Brotherhood ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood )
Begging the question:
If Saddam and the republican guard had access to chemical weapons and had the means to deploy them, why the fuck was Basra not a toxic smog cloud back in 2003?
IMHO it's more likely that the ISIS tools found a decrepit toxic waste dump. I doubt that the Iraqis would have had the money or means to run an incineration or neutralisation facility, so the next best option for disposal would be to bury it under concrete or store it in a bunker. I'm no chemist, but I know enough to realise that most CW have a limited 'shelf life' in which they can be used with efficacy. It still remains toxic and you don't want the constituant chemicals leeching into the ground water or soil, so your only option is to use it before it expires, or store the waste.
If the report stated that ISIS had captured a fully functional industrial-scale laboratory, then I would be bleating along with the rest of the fuckwits. As it stands though, this is just incendiary pro-war propoganda.
The Source via Tony Blair: ref:'Chemical weapons disposal', section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
the Bush#43 Adm. postponed, delayed, forgot about, reconstituted again... and then delay until everyone forgets
'The Strange Death of Dr. David Kelly for exposing the British Government?' This isn't strange, it's 'MURDER'! and the cause of genocide!?!
and the British trained Iraqi 'WMD' Mistress... 'Dr Rihab Germ'a`dame, who gets around London quite well via the Iraqi Embassy with USSA pursuasion? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rihab_Rashid_Taha
The Iraqi Mistress of Death schooled in England by the UK for the U.S. of A, ok
After reading the comments, it confirms that is a very good 'american' article, that was perfect to conduct experimentation.
The 'american' middle class want to believe. Give them what they need to believe and they will reward.
It is how you grow rich and powerful in an 'american' society: by serving the 'american' middle class.
Last I checked the middle class consisted of about ten people.
"The al-Muhanna 'mega-facility', about 60 miles south of Baghdad"
...and...
"Isis invaded the al-Muthanna mega-facility 60 miles north of Baghdad ..."
Obviously, the reason this site was never found by allied forces back in 2003 is that they were looking in the wrong place ;-)
Discovering chemical doesn't mean it discovers chemical weapons.
USSA/pUKe - GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS - now grasping at straws
My god what a horrible country we've become.
I think we all know Iraq had chemical weapons, but most of us also know Iraq wanted to abandon the Petrodollar. Chems were the convenient excuse.
Made in the USA.
The only thing it knows how to make anymore.
War.
the PC crowd thinks the military is good at country building. the ball licking generals, whcih is just about all that run the show. instead of telling politicians that THE JOB OF THE MILITARY IS TO KILL AND USE FORCE TO INFLICT LOSS AND MAKE THE ENEMY QUIT.....(general sherman knew how to fight a war)... not to hand out chocolates and molly coddle scumbags who wont fight for themselves .... Instead of facing tribal and religious reality the PC politicians, influenced by the unicorn think tanks thought it will be all beautiful and even dumb kerry/kohn thinks he can talk and create peace.
ISIS HAS THE HAMMER AND THEY ARE USING IT .... if obumbler wanted to stop them we woudl ahve be knocking them out from the air on day one. forget the hot air he expels, the plan is to let ISIS run roughshod over iraq and fight with iran... JUST LIKE THE HOSUE OF SAUD WANTS IT..
of course Saddam had WMD's... he used them on the kurds and gassed 10,000 of them. About 500 trucks crossed from iraq into syria carrying the materials and ussa monitored it and did nada...
let sunni kill shia til the cows come home.... just dont leave the sandbox... and from the house fo saud point of view dont come to us.
ex-Pentagon official Michael Ledeen:
quoted excerpt above from Whose War? in 2003.
Also look up A "Clean Break: A New Strategy For Securing The Realm(1996)" brought to you by the same people who four years later hatched The Project For A New American Century and it's RAD(Rebuilding America's Defenses) document which required a "new New Pearl Harbor" to get the backing and support of the American people. They weren't really concerned with defending America, but more with securing the realm.
Btw "the realm" does not refer to the United States. And here we are today...hell yeah there was a fucking plan, you betcha!
This Michael Ledeen - is he Irish?
Are you falling for the same propaganda again?? "The West is doomed if we don't go in!" Always a new boogeyman too.
Meet the new President. Same as the old President.
No, Saddoom didn't have NBC WMDs after all. Resurrecting the voodoo doll of Iraqi WMD smacks of conditioning for ATTACK(!). Fool me twice.
next they will over-run the real OBL spider hole
No they wont.
He died from an air attack in 2002 shortly after Tora Bora, and was kept on ice for a politically expedient moment.
If by "WMD" you mean Nukes... no he didn't.
If by "WMD" you mean Chemical Weapons, of course he did. He was filmed using them. Literally THOUSANDS of Iraqi Vets physically touched and saw them (and spent weeks in chemical gear cleaning just one hidey hole in Western Iraq out).
That is how far from reality the media is. Political storm of hot air saying there was nothing there was able to drown out the first hand witness of thousands.
You can call accurately the media a lot of things. "Journalists" is not one of them.
They think we're this stupid?
"The al-Muhanna 'mega-facility', about 60 miles south of Baghdad, gives the jihadists access to disused stores of hundreds of tonnes of potentially deadly poisons including mustard gas and sarin."
That is such pure BS. Take a chill pill. The US scoured Iraq for justification for the invasion and found nothing. This is old Gulf War I debris, checked with a fine toothed comb by US forces after the invasion of Iraq.
Saddam supposidly never gassed the kurds and never actually invaded Kewait. Since a long time ago I realised terrorists never did 9/11 I'm starting to believe these testonomies as possible facts. The first time Saddam was made aware of gas attacks upon Kurds was when he woke up one morning and found the details as front page newspaper.
Fuck, it worked for Bush... Obama might as well try to drum up support for an invasion on the basis of protecting the children from these chemical weapon weilding ter'ists. It's for the chil'en see.