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Israel Releases Videos Of Bombing Raids As Gaza Casualties Top 100
Israel's bombing campaign of Gaza shows no signs of abating: as WaPo reports "Israel widened its air assault against the Gaza Strip’s Hamas rulers on Saturday, hitting a mosque it said was hiding rockets" as well as a school which it said was used by Hamas as a cover, "as Palestinians said their death toll from the five-day offensive rose to over 125."
The military said it has struck more than 1,100 targets, including Hamas rocket launchers, command centers and weapon manufacturing and storage facilities, in a bid to stop relentless rocket fire coming Gaza. Officials in the territory said that besides the mosque, the strikes also hit Hamas-affiliated charities and banks, as well as a home for the disabled, killing two women.
On the other of the border, there have so far been no reported fatalities in Israel from the continued rocket fire. This compares to a death toll in Gaza of over 125, according to its Health Ministry spokesman Ashraf al-Kidra, with more than 920 wounded. In order to validate the seriousness of the Gaza strikes, Israel continues to sound air raid sirens every few hours which then serve merely to justify even further Gaza bombing, and so on, in a closed loop.
Of course, in this millennia long conflict, "who started" is about the stupidest thing one can ask. Here are the photos of the destruction.
On the Israeli side:
And from Gaza:
In short, Hamas militants have been hit hard. Though the exact breakdown of casualties remains unclear, dozens of the dead also have been civilians. The offensive showed no signs of slowing down Saturday as Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon said his country should ready itself for several more days of fighting.
Hamas said it hoped the mosque attack would galvanize support for it in the Muslim world.
“(It) shows how barbaric this enemy is and how much it is hostile to Islam,” said Husam Badran, a Hamas spokesman in Doha, Qatar. “This terrorism gives us the right to broaden our response to deter this occupier.”
The Israeli military released an aerial photo of the mosque it hit, saying Hamas hid rockets in it right next to another religious site and civilian homes. It said Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other Gaza militant groups use this tactic of abusing religious sites to conceal weapons and establish underground tunnel networks, deliberately endangering civilians.
Perhaps. However it does not explain the soaring numbers of civilian casualties. And what makes it worse is that with surprising regularity the Israel defense forces release videos showing the pinpoint accuracy of Gaza bombing runs: in other words, if Israel wanted not to kill civilians it certainly could. As much is proven in the following IDF video released earlier, which allegedly shows an Israeli pilot calling off an airstrike after children were spotted near a target.
More proof of just how much precision Israel has when crushing Hamas, which increasingly appears to be a campaign merely designed to demoralize and inflict as much "collateral damage" as possible
Here the IDF targets an alleged rocket-launching site located near a school. It was unclear if any school children were present during the attack.
IDF bombing a car allegedly carrying three "terrorists":
More IDF strikes, this time on what are allegedly concealed weapons:
And more of the same:
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@jumbotron
Jumbotron=numbnuts,=asshat=hasbara=shill since you were the 1st one to call shill....you shill.
Now no matzo for you zionist shill! And go away before i taunt you a 2nd tim:-)e
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He who smeltagefelta fish dealtagefelta fish. Nothing brings out the Junkers like an article on Israel.
No they don't. The idea that because you may have some remote ancestors who lived somewhere 2,000 years ago, you have more right to it than the people who have lived there for hundreds, or ALSO thousands of years, AND the right to also live in Europe, or America, or whereever - is basically absurd.
While the Khazar hypothesis is, if not quite totally untrue, wildly overstated by people who don't understand the first thing about genetics or linguistics [Mike Rivero] but don't let a little thing like a lack of evidence get in the way of a ideologically convenient belief - it is pretty clear that European Jews lived in Europe for well over 1,000 years.
They don't get to refer to the middle east as their homeland.
It was force and terror in the Book of Joshua, and it was force and terror in the late 1940s.
And that's all it was.
The irony is that both Jews and Muslims worship a god who urges war, murder and bloodshed. The Muslim god hates non-believers.
The Jewish god hates non-Jews. And that, my friend, is the true origin of "anti-Semitism"
Both Christianity and Islam are founded on Judaism + local "pagan" beliefs.
Christianity and Islam became the religions of large expansionist empires, who forced conversion on their populaces for easier mass control of the sheeple.
Christianity really took off when Constantine endorsed it, believing Jesus blessed his battles. He then reorg'd the church and made the official state Bible at Nicea, which coincidentally made Romans look good even though they killed Jesus.
The "true origin of anti-semitism" is that one group had the audacity to not join the new enforced religious/political paradigms, was severely persecuted for it, and somehow managed to survive.
A lot of this seems to be an alpha-male competition for world domination. Not sure how much we've evolved since being primates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoYoVNBxaNY
the body count is 6 million. It's always 6 million.
Kabbalah...! Yes...it's always 6 million.
Here's the proof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk
More research:
http://query.nytimes.com/search/sitesearch/#/6000000+jews/from19000101to...
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/search/pages/results/?state=&date1=183...
The lefty indoctrination runs deep. They have been at it a long time.
So has Zionist indoctrination. It makes otherwise empirically-minded people slavishly adhere to myths about origin and rights land.
Or that the Jews were slaves in Egypt.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/chosen-people.html
etc.
no bottle rocket casualties so i'm not bothered in the least. When an Israeli is injured I'll head for the Wailing Wall.
I don't think the "I'm a jew, woe is me" crap is working on the Goyim anymore. You might try something else.
9 Israeli panic attacks reported at last count. A gas station set on fire and several potholes in the roads.
Women, children, cripples and old people killed in Gaza. Sounds fair.
Of all the places for military intervention, it should have been US boots on the ground in Israel. Destroy Israel's military and destroy their nuclear weapons. Then leave and let Israel face its fate...
including their biggest weapon, the central bank system.
Sadly they have nuclear subs. No-one can take them out without triggering the Sampson Option.
Unless we find a way to locate subs reliably and from a great distance.
Damn.
Subs, housing expansions, drones, etc. all paid for by our welfare tax dollars.
Well if the Eagle and the Bear ever united, they could get control of Israel's nukes, or at veey least get control of the families and friends of tptb.
While I think the Israelis have every right to live in peace and security - letting them get nukes was a giant mistake.
They probably have suitcase nukes in various cities waiting to go off.
And there is a fact pattern in which dying is worth killing Sampson - who was, by the way, a murdering, raping, barbarian.
"Destroy Israel's military and destroy their nuclear weapons."
LOL !! Our military ? LOL !!!
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That transgender stuff still amazes me. I must be getting old.
Operation Remember USS Liberty
Dick Cheney sighted in a yarmulke.
Animals.
Just fucked up very fucked up! Humans need a lesson would love to see some brain eating aliens land on earth and see how important relegion, territory , money and race will matter after that!
Don't you just love religion?
I wonder how heaven looks like...
Muslims: murderers rule and have 7 grapes
Jews: only they go to heaven
Catholics: only we go to heaven
Boudists: they come back as worms
Satanists: they get all the hookers
...
Don't forget the blow.
Plenty of blow in hell, along with the hookers.
Its all good.
Why does no one ask president Sisi in Cairo?
Well say anything you want.
At least Gaza and the West Bank are nothing like the Jewish ghettos of Nazi Europe.
The filthy terrorist Arabs in those areas have their our independent energy and food production. They have no dependence for clean water, sewage treatment, hospitals, free trade, banking systems, communications and the like. The walls, fences, barriers, checkpoints, guard towers, military patrols, naval blockade, surveillance systems, and the various intelligence/security services are all in place to protect these most fortunate but still resentful peoples.
Bantuization. Apartheid. Ethnic Cleansing.
These aren't the droids you're looking for.
You can't say Israelis and their overseas Jewish supporters are engaged in a program of Arab/Muslim genocide.
Oh, for Heaven's sake.
Correct, Gaza is more crowded.
Bantuization. Apartheid. Ethnic Cleansing.
Um... you have to be a special kind of remedial to think these don't apply.
Go read a book.
Pretty sure Marla left due to the Tyler one sided posts on the conflict. I on the other hand blame both sides and cannot sympathize for a country that will go three eyes for an eye, but at the same time the civilians in Gaza shouldn't allow Hamas to cowardly hide in with the non-miliant population.
Amerika should get involved since Amerika is Israel's Bitch. Tell that to the armed forces and ask them do they know the facts.
http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/tumblr_lsb1nfyROL...
Another Israeli "police action" with zero military significance. They're good at terrifying grannies and cluster bombing children, and worthless at breaking the back of the Paelstinian resistence (impossible without a genocide.) The Palestinians will have these losses replaced in two months due to their poverty-level birthrate.
Yes, ignore the secondary explosions in the videos. Thos certainly coul not be arms depots blowing up.
Nope, no way
Which totally stopped the Resistance every other time right?
Some were rather impressive.....One wonders just how much explosives are hidden away over there...
So the Israelis release a video showing secondary explosives... and that proves they aren't targeting civilian buildings and infrastructure like they've done ad nauseam before in the West Bank, Lebanon...and oh yeah Gaza...
is that right?
Cool story, bro.
Secondary explosives are as about as close as you can get to absolute proof that the targets were legit military targets.
And how would you classify the thousands of missiles fired on Israeli civilians?
Right, I'm suggesting that showing you A doesnt mean B doesn't exist.
I'd classify the missiles as war crimes - but of far less of a threat to Israelis than the IDF is to Palestinians.
Why isn't that fair?
Secondary explosives are as about as close as you can get to absolute proof that the targets were legit military targets.
And how do you know they're 'secondary' explosions and not just another hellfire missile fired into the ruins? Oh, what? The Zionists said so?
And how would you classify the thousands of missiles fired on Israeli civilians?
Even if we accept the idea of Israeli 'civilians' (when 99% of them were, are, or will be serving in the IDF, expressly to help Israel keep its stolen land), the 'thousands' of missiles are what I would call retaliation for the endless lethal airstrikes Israel carries out with utter impunity.
And let's not forget that under international law, a blockade is an act of war - so the blockaded Gazan's have every right to try to strike back at the Israelis.
Israel is correcty called, "The Land of Milk and Honey". They made the desert bloom (and the palistinians boom). With their constantly expanding borders and need for immigrents I suggest all those poor people coming into the U.S. be immediatly put on planes for Israel which is a harbor for the oppressed. Writef the President and the Congress as I'm sure a great idea such as this has not entered their minds.
Israel is an embarrasment for all of us.
The Israeli's don't even have a clue that they show cowardly bloodlust with this 'punitive' action.
Punitive action is all bloodthirsty, ass licking Muzzie's understand.
Have't you heard of ISIS yet. Fuck off shill.
You mean Israeli funded, Israeli armed ISIS, working together with their buddies-in-buttholes House of Saud?
Fuck off shill.
As Volkodav says: useless talkings.
Pretty patient to wait this long to respond to DAILY rockets...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israe...
Think how fast the Texans would be bombing Mexico if it happened here.......
Who Started ‘the Cycle of Violence’ in Palestine?
As in every vicious military offensive Israel carries out in Gaza, the dominant narrative is that it is a response to rocket fire from Gaza into southern Israel. This is how it’s being reported in the US, and this is how virtually every American understands it.
And it’s a lie.
http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/11/11/israels-latest-assault-on-gaza-the-li...
Here’s how the relationship between Israel and Gaza works: successive “cease-fires” are repeatedly adopted and continuously violated, leading more often to skirmishes than to lulls in violence. Israel bombs Gaza with airstrikes, Gaza shoots rockets into Israel. Then a new “cease-fire” is imposed.
If you were to ask anyone, from a casual observer to a ‘well-informed’ media commentator, which side violates the ceasefires more often, they would almost surely say Gaza. The newspapers and network news media constantly inform the American people when a rocket is hurled from Gaza into Israel. Both Israeli and American politicians cite this phenomenon in speeches and press conferences to justify Israel’s continuing economic blockade of Gaza, among other things. With regard to the Gaza situation, practically all we hear about is rockets.
In an ongoing study of violence between Israel and Gaza, The Jerusalem Fund, a non-profit in Washington, D.C., has catalogued cease-fire violations on either side. The principal finding is as follows: “Palestinian launches have been rare and sporadic and occurred almost always after successive instances of Israeli cease-fire violations.” Despite this, in the diplomacy on Mid-East peace, we invariably hear about Israel’s security concerns, while that of the Palestinians’ is hardly mentioned.
http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/02/06/the-truth-about-cease-fire-violations...
But of course, Israel always tells the truth because Jews are noble, sacred Eternal Victims chosen by GOD himself {who failed to give good and clear title - twice} while Muslim women and children are fair game because... well, it's complicated, but basically because they aren't Jews.
http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/08/how-to-kill-goyim-and-influence-people-...
Is that right?
Maybe it wasn't God but the other guy that wrote the OT. Would explain all the violence, hate, and greed, no?
I expect both sides to lie, and to ignore inconvenient truths, but Zionists base their entire self identity and justifications on an absurd, racialist, ethnocentric, xenophobic mythos - and Israel's over the top hasbara trolls literally do not seem to care, in the slightest, about even the concept of the truth or facts.
I suppose if you are taught anyone criticizes you hates you for no reason - you start to simply hate all your critics, simply presuppose they are wrong, and also develop a pathological inability to examine your own behavior and racism.
Same as it ever was.
THE CAUSES OF HOSTILITY TOWARDS JEWS: A HISTORICAL OVERVIEW
and for the record, their ineffectiveness and general use in *response* to air strikes from modern fighter bombers... launching unguided rockets at civilian population centers is a war crime.
Why is Palestine called Israel and why is Palestine full of psychopathic murdering Zionists who are bombing women and childrem imprisioned in a concentration camp called Gaza?....
Why do people mumble about the pretend country of Palestine? There never was such a place.
Why was Judea called Judea?
Just names on a map.
Two groups of people that could easily co-exist if the desire was there.
Who can co-exist with a neighbor that's getting ready to bulldoze your home?
The Moslem and Christian inhabitants of the land of Palestine are almost certainly descended largely from the ancient Hebrews, and worship the same God. Even many of the Orthodox Jews were Palestinians, until the Zionists redefined them. (Many still reject Zionism) The modern state, everywhere but in the Middle East, is a state of and for all its people. The idea of a Jewish state is absurd, and should be unacceptable, a non-starter.
It's all poppycock, dangerous, deadly poppycock, smoke in our eyes, and we should waste no time on arguing about it.
Maybe the Obowelmovement can send busloads of diseased Hispanic criminals to the M.E.? I mean if it's good for America, it should be good for everywhere.....
In case you missed it (and it seems like most of the comment writers did):
Israel Is Bombing Gaza Back to the Stone Age to Get Hamas ... But ISIS – NOT HAMAS – Claims Credit for Attacks Against Israel Posted by : George Washington Whether God gave the Hebrews this land 5000 years ago, and whether that claim is still good, is so utterly irrelevant ... except as a self-justifying myth. As is whether Hamas is to blame for shooting back with home-made rockets. What is going on there is a racket, a game played by a few with hidden motives and under false pretenses. The role of sites like ZH is to help discover and expose exactly what the racket is, why our own rulers put up with it and how they are involved with it, and how to bust it up or disentangle ourselves from it. Much is already known but there is no consensus yet. That is what we should be talking about.I read it.
So what? ISIS claims a Caliphate exists too.
The rocket trails are coming out of Gaza. Every day.
Would you let your neighbor throw rocks at your wife and kids as long as he only hit your car and occaisionally a kid or two?
Sounds like maybe you would.
The issue is that the Israeli government, which is perfectly aware of the evidence that Hamas didn't kidnap and kill those children and had no motive to - and may well have something to do with the ISIS monstrosity that does claim credit for it - used the incident to start a war on Gaza and rally the Jewish Israelis behind it, and now absurdly is blaming the Gazans for fighting back as best they can.
If I start shooting through my neighbor's windows and they throw rocks back, should I expect your sympathy?
Regardless of what happens, the true heroes of this confilict will be the gazans who fought back for what was rightly theirs.
the rockets are always fired first, and for no reason, right?
If you believe that, I guess it's easy to not be bothered by the prospect of hundreds of dead civilians. After all, they're only non-Jews anyway, right?
hmmm...You shoot at me, I shoot back...simple
Why aren't you brave.
I'll give you a rock, and weekend Tyler an AK-47.
Let's you and him fight.
All I know is that whenever the world is about to go into recession a war starts.
This is GDP positive and actually good news.
Yes, never mind who starts this conflict time after time by firing thousands of rockets at civilian populations.
Instead, focus on the number of dead, not who's responsible.
And please, please, please ignore those secondry explosions in the videos that prove the targets were arms depots in schools and mosques.
All they want is their stolen land back fron the genocidal maniacs. No end for their suffering I guess.
Obviously you mouth breathing, ignorant fucktard know SOOoooo much about genocide....don't you.
So....this isn't genocide ?
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http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/Christian-Copts-E...
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http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/103743-004-80d4ba12.jpg
http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/10/02/muslims-killing-muslims-s...
And that justifies Israel's stealing Palestinians' land how, exactly?
Elsewhere you've argued that the Land is now the Israelis' by right of conquest. If you think violence is an OK way to acquire property, why do you get so upset that the 'filthy' muzzies do it to?
Oh, that's right, it's terrrrism when filthy Muzzies do it, it's self defence when Zionists do it. Got ya.
They got it bro. Israel unilaterally pulled out of GAZA bringing their own people literally kicking and screamin.
Now Hamas uses the teritory to attack Israel.
Lessoned learned: Give Hamas what they ask for and they will still kill your civilians.
Did they say that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAtQsmADUgc
They got it bro. Israel unilaterally pulled out of GAZA bringing their own people literally kicking and screamin.
Uh huh... meanwhile 'annexing"* even more of the West bank and Jerusalem.
The reason they pulled out of Gaza wasn't because they were giving 'Hamas what they ask for' - it was because while their own settlers were there it limited the degree to which they could terrorise the Gazans... you know, like having their US-made jets frequently break the sound barrier in the middle of the night over Gaza to remind the 'filthy muzzies' who's boss.
*stealing
That was before oil and gas deposits were found off the Gaza coast.
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/07/08/who-started-the-cycle-of-v...
http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/02/06/the-truth-about-cease-fire-violations...
http://mondoweiss.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Palestinian-Wall-ad-580...
Are you ignorant, or are you lying?
Obama loves watching drone porn. He will likely view this as competition.
While the bombs are falling you boast of their accuracy and of your infinite patience and restraint. When the bombing stops, you count the hundreds (or thousands, or tens of thousands) of dead women and children and mumble regrets about "collateral damage," all the while proclaiming the rightness of your cause. Can't we stop arguing about who's right and who's wrong long enough to see that war itself is the problem? Time to try something different.
What would that be?
Here are the choices;
1. The jews leave unilaterally to lands they claim and occupied for thousands of years before there was an Islam, or Zero Hedge.
2. Agree to demiliatarize and live with the Arabs. They would be slaughtered by Hamas, Al Quaeda, and Hezbollah.
3. Agree to turn over all of Israel and live under the Arabs. See above.
4. Do what they are doing, until the Arabs run out of oil, and ergo fund these groups. Probably the plan.
5. Crush their enemy. What every other country in the world would do if confronted with the same problem.
Yeah, the "what they are doing" is living next door to psychopathic Palis who insist on attacking a neighbor 1000x stronger and playing patty-cake with them rather than wipe them out.
I have no idea where the Israelis get the patience for it.
Yeah....them Jews have a lot of nerve living....(sarc)
http://www.opinionbug.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/mideast-map-occupation.jpg
the ashkenazi jews did not occupy, claim or rule Israel/Palestine. Matrilineally they are European mostly. Otherwise, a mix.
In any event, when you live in Poland for 1200 years, your homeland is fucking Poland, isn't it.
If you want to go by thousands of years ago, the Egyptians have more right to Israel than the Jews. Egyptian ruins are all over Israel and Palestine, which they ruled for many hundreds of years. Jews had petty kingdoms for a few hundred years of which there is BARELY A TRACE.
Spare us the historical myths. It was European Jews who immigrated within, mostly, the past 120 years, and ethnically cleansed people who had lived there for generations - indeed, the indigenous people.
What the Jews could do is stop occupying, oppressing, and attacking them on the last 20% of the land. But Israel wants all of that remaining land too, and use a mix of religious myth and historical fallacy to claim the right not just to live there - but to remove the indigenous population slowly and steadily....
Solarman, I am not taking sides here, I'm just not convinced that your five choices exhaust the possibilities, by any means. The mistake that human beings have been making for eons is to think that peace will arrive only when their last enemy is annihilated. Surprise! That day never comes. So, shall we try something else?
Why?
The brainwashing is complete and total.
I'd say it is.
Stronger for now. They better hurry up with their genocide before the USSA loses its reserve status.
They kill each other for peace???
all reasonably sane somewhat informed person recognizes israel as the nazi theocracy it is. only unreasonable insane people could see it otherwise.
What do you call this Muslim theocracy then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAtQsmADUgc
why do you use non sequitor arguments all the time? what is your point? there are bad muslims, too? that is suppose to bolster your argument, how? it makes israelis less murderous? make fn sense! i am tired of these deflection arguements as if they have some relevance. you are stupid or you think we are stupid. i think it is you.
My point is self defense isn't murder...
omg! try something new.
Two countries? Did I read that correctly?
The is one rogue illegal entity that is highly armed with the latest high tech weaponry, even nuclear bombs, controling a group of bantoustans, stealing their lands, suffocating them and gradually wiping them off the face of the map....under the genaral disregard of the world! Stronger militarily? Is that a joke...anyone with a gun can kill an unarmed man! What so superior about that. Just the contrary...just the signs of a psychopath and bully! This will not end well!!!
Jews are an "illegal entity" now? Been reading Mein Kamph lately?
http://www.opinionbug.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/mideast-map-occupation.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAtQsmADUgc
Hey! Let's play spot the 'Israel=Jews' therefore 'criticism of Israel == anti-semitism' canard.
Weakling.
I wonder how many posting here, on ZH, are on Mossads payroll?
I wonder how many postig here, on ZH, are on C.A.I.R.'s , Obama's, NSA's payroll ?
All on the same Payroll.
When US get to a point of self-sustaining oil production, I won't be surprised to see Israel rule the middle East.
In other news, a man previously convicted of beating his wife released footage of him not beating his wife, proving just how much effort he puts into not beating his wife.
Film at 11.
Population Gaza
- 2014 estimate 1,816,379
- Density 5046/km2
13,069.1/sq mi
Population density (people per sq. km) in Israel
Density 377/km2 (35th)
Exactly where does one hide or separate themselves for military purposes? The hiding behind civilians is mostly the incarcerated with others in extremely overcrowded conditions.
It is like saying the sardines on the bottom are hiding behind the ones on top.
The ass licking, cowardly Muzzies ALL OVER have used this tactic. Civilians who are killed become Holy Matrys in their bloodythirsty, animal minds. Therefore...no big loss to a Muzzie. But a GREAT P.R. tactic because of all you useful idiots who kiss Muzzie ass.
How fortunate that you can say what you say about Muslims and Arabs and never fear having a comment blocked or being banned.
But, no, seriously, there are very few Jews in the American news media. Complete myth. AJ himself even said - Hollywood is basically owned by Arabs. That's why so many gangster movies based in history have all sort of Jews as archetypal bad guys.
Fortunately, all else aside, you're smart enought to realize that when European Jews immigrated to Palestine and started blowing up hotels and schools and stuff it wasn't terrorism - they were just reclaiming their own land that God gave them.
Many later took dual citizenship because Jews have an exclusive right to live in Israel/Palestine but can also live wherever they like. God said so.
Mindless accusations are a sign of stupidity, ignorance, insanity or all three.
Metaphors are for dueling: not debating.
Grow up and contribute. You seem to have an attitude issue and an anger management requirement. If you hate one group, you are a hater. There is no logical fallback. If you are taught to hate, you are brainwashed either by religion or culture.
Give some thought to your replies and we can find common ground.
Otherwise you have no objectivity and are a useless source of knowledge.
If you shoot at carp in a rain barrel you may hit some blugills. The IDF don't give a fuck.
hey brother moe.
the simon weasel centre and therothschild spielberg hollocaust really happened honest institute are onto you.
if you want up votes you must change your anti yid ways.
in the mean times care for a 911 mossad dance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNGPFVOYmhg
I spent an hour last night looking at gaza through google-earth and saw many, many places of low population in that area. Most of the people congregate in slums, including, it appears, the terrorists.
I spent an hour last night looking at gaza
boodles i cal you out as a fucking liar you sick fucker.
last might you was watching rabbis suck babies cocks
Metzitzah B'peh, Blood-Sucking Jewish Circumcision RitualEVEN IF you think that Hamas is only "pretending" to attack Israel because that's part of their charter and they have to pretend now and then, EVEN IF you think their gathering of tens of thousands of missiles, no matter how low-tech, is excusable, EVEN IF it doesn't bother you that they do this in the middle of civilian populations, you really CANNOT get all excited that a thousand Israeli high-tech attacks have killed 100 people, when a SINGLE attack, if it were meant to or were simply sloppy, would kill a thousand easily.
Why don't the Jews go back to Europe where they came from? Simple and elegant answer.
You're wanted back home...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGKUjcESCcU
It's a double tragedy that the same group of people who have suffered most from fascist policies are inreasingly making use of them.
the working classes?
was that Michael Hastings car
Great job with the pro-Nazi/Muslim propaganda. Terrorists launch rockets from schools and hospitals. They hide among civilians. They're to blame for any civilian deaths. Israel doesn't do enough to protect itself. They should kill any terrorist within their borders.
Do not doubt for a minute that Israel has put a great deal of effort into target identification, including the use of 'eyes on the ground' within Gaza. Hamas is equally smart, which is why it is trying to hide weapons and missiles in schools and mosques and tunnels. The insanity is that Hamas knows that Israel will retaliate with eccessive force, and yet they continue to lauch rockets at Israel. What we will never know is who is pushing Hamas to continue shooting at Israel, as it is clearly no longer for the 'good' of the people in Gaza.
I think Israel puts more effort in convincing the world that it is only targeting "militants" and their weapons than it does in avoiding civilian casualties. Cast Lead and Pillar of Cloud manifestly targeted civilian infrastructure.
It simply wasn't reported much, and where it was, armies of paid trolls and Ziofascist politicians and opinion writers stood ready to claim, completely inanely, that Israel's morality being, a priori, above reproach, any discussion or evidence to the contrary was mere "anti-Semitism."
whats the score sports fans
120-140 arabs
and what of the jews
say 5 or maybe 2 as the first 3 missing kids was fake psy op
so 2 jews dead maybe
maybe less.
what do they call those numbers in the sports bars fuckers.
and yet mark regev freak yid spookesman says the jewish people are suffering the tortures of the damned.
true in part these messengers of hate.
these serpents of satan will ne damned.
this kabalistic cannanite tribe never gave up the blood ritual.
any goy on here read the tora.
interesting.
arab
babies and kids are the high score juice extra points for the disabled and mental retards.
do what thou wilt the man said
and these jewish demons do.
Israel is certainly winning the propaganda war - explained in no small part by Jewish political, financial, and media power - especially relative to Arabs or Muslims.
The tactic of making it about Hamas' rockets, and claiming that they are the "prime mover" in the cycle of violence frames the discussion such that Israel is always 'responding' to violence rather than deliberately engendering it.
I've been too heavy with the links I realize, but the antiwar peace on the cycle of violence by Raimondo is excellent, really.
As is this.
I'd hasten to add as post-script that when I say 'Israel' I mean Netanyahu and the ultra-Zionist right wing government. I certainly believe Israel and its people have a right to exist, with security. But I believe that Israel's government intends nothing less than to complete a project of ethnically cleansing what remains of 'Palestine' begun over a century ago.
And that they have no intention of stopping there. Israel wants "living space" and to be a superpower - and they will always frame it as acting in their own defense, and will always be able to rely on a heavily biased media reporting that, say a Hezbollah response to out of the blue Israeli airstrikes was an "attack" to which the second round of airstrikes by Israel was a "response" - leaving out that blowing up bridges and water treatment plants and apartment buildings is really an attack on Lebanon's economy, and collective punishment designed to soften southern Lebanon for an inevitable future Israeli attack and occupation.
That's the rub - Zionism was by nature a 2 sided coin. Any gain for the incoming Jewish immigrants necessitated a loss for people already living there. Ditto for anyone now living in "Greater Israel." Neocon strategic thinking is really about that, at root.
my neighbors up on the hill gave the back half of my land to some mexicans because they said i wasn't using it anymore. well, since then these damn mexicans have taken over most of my property and kill my dogs for fun. i have appealed to .gov but they say the mexicans have a right to the land(the mexicans claim it is old mexico) and have sent arms and ammunition to the mexicans everytime they claim i want to kill them all. now they claim my barn is theirs. i can't do anything because they can kill me in a second yet they cry to .gov about how i try to fight with them all the time and how afraid they are of me. what should i do?
Not sure i understand this. Doesn't Saudi Arabia (Israels new? buddy) fund these people who are shooting rockets at Israel? World is going crazy. Can;'t tell who the bad guy is who the good guy is ...nore if there even is a good guy anymore.
When Mel Gibson's ISRAELI bodyguard didn't drive a drunk Mel Gibson home a JEWISH Deputy happened to be on the road home to Mel's house, just a coincidence of course. Mel is alleged to have said "JEWS START ALL THE WARS" and that was the end of Mel's career in Hollyweird. Hollyweird Super-agent, Ari Emanuel, brother of Chicago Mayor and former IDF member Ron Israel Emanuel, said that Mel would never work again in Hollyweird, and Mel hasn't. But to put Mel's alleged statement in context this was the time when Israel was saturation bombing civilian and infrastructure of Lebanon, this was 2006 and US was rushing more cluster bombs to Israel and more. The horrific destruction rained down upon Lebanese civlians and infrastructure was all accomplished with weaponry WE PAID for with our TAX DOLLARS.
We pay and pay, like for that WALL-FENCE that keeps illegal immigrants out of Israel, we paid for it. OF course Jews in America are AGAINST a wall for us and changed our immigration law back in 1965.
We pay and pay and pay:
http://www.wrmea.org/wrmea-archives/251-washington-report-archives-2000-...
The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, June 2003, pages 20-23
Thomas R. Stauffer is a Washington, DC-based engineer and economist who has taught the economics of energy and the Middle East at Harvard University and Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service.
And how much did the war on Iraq cost us?
And why did the US go into Iraq"
http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/snieg_oilwar.htm
http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/snieg_isrorgs.htm
http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/conc_toc.htm
How would you feel if a Mexican terrorist group started firing rockets into your neigborhoods in Southern Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas? I guarantee you would not feel as kind-hearted toward the terrorists as you do now.
Keep in mind when Israel kills a member of Hammas in civilian clothing, the Palestinians count that as a civilian death.
frank darling wanna dance
come on moshe i am goy but i am as pig ugly as a yid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMkX5uemLyk
FUCK YOU Anti-Semitics.
You might want you to try HuffPo. We are capable of critical thinking here.
I don't even know how you can even attempt to defend 1000 + airstrikes in a teeny tiny little land area that is 99% civilian.
In your great wisdom, anti-Semitic Indio007, how would you thwart daily missile attacks from a blood thirsty people who are committed to the destruction of Israel?
I don't even know how you can even attempt to defend 1000+ missile attacks into Israel?
Wait... I think I have the answer: Hamas is trying to get Israel to kill as many Palestinians as possible for propaganda purposes. But that's the sick part, Hamas actually wants their children killed.
semites are not all of the Hebrew persuasion.
Some of the Anti-Semitics would actually enjoy your entreaty.
Although their religious/cultural/business masters would deny the above assertion in public.
[bringing on the junk-pussiez here] The Catholic Church had (has?) a strain of the same predliction.
- Ned
I actually feel sorry for the anti-Semitics. They are on the wrong side of history and common sense.
For anyone that's not aware of it, this is how all those Pro Israel posts suddenly spring up from out of nowhere. http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Israels-newest-PR-weapon-The-Internet-Megaph...
Yo, suboptimal tor thang.
how cool are we? "social media" targetz!!!!
and maybe not "all"
don't cha' know
- Ned
I ask the anti-Semites on this board a serious question: why do you hate a group of people that have contributed so much to science, literature, mathematics, music and business. Let's make a small list, first for science:
Now, a short list of Jewish musicians:
I could go on, but no one can deny the disproportion number of significant contributions to civilization that Jews have made. Is it jealously? Is it simple because they are different than you? Is it ingrained in your DNA passed down from your ant-Semitic ancestors? Is it because they understand economics so well?
I ask you another question: if Mexico started to indiscriminately and consistently started to fire missiles into Texas, how do you think we should react? Try, just for a second, to extrapolate that to the plight of the Israelis.
To take it one step further, Hamas are literally trying to get Israel to kill as many Palestinians as possible. Would the Jews do that to their own people? No. Hamas hides missiles in schools, hide behind their families, and their goal is that dead Palestinians represent a propaganda victory.
The Israeli military has the operational capability to level the entire Gaza Strip in a day. It is constrained by its own morality and the deaths of innocent Palestinians. The men who run Hamas -- the ones hiding in bunkers deep underground, the ones who send other people’s children to their deaths as suicide bombers, they are disgusting human beings. Why would you vilify a people who truly want peace and contribute so much to civilization. Yet you support a group of blood thirsty terrorists who use children as shields and volunteer them as suicide bombers.
Just another fact to put the two sides into perspective: A group of American Jewish donors paid $14 million for 3,000 greenhouses left behind by Jewish settlers and donated them to the Palestinian Authority. The greenhouses were soon looted and destroyed serving as a perfect metaphor for Hamas and what they have done with the Gaza strip.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9331863/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/loote...
So because these 'Jews' (and I say 'Jews' because I'm pretty sure most of them actually have rather more goyim ancestry than Jewish, but we'll ignore that for the moment) have contributed to humanity, it means their (alleged) relatives are entitled to steal someone else's land? And anyone who criticises the thieves is not an anti-Zionist, but an anti-Semite?
Interesting.
The Israeli military has the operational capability to level the entire Gaza Strip in a day.
The Zionists spent centuries getting to where they are today (a Rothschild was reported to be attempting to buy Palestine from the Ottoman sultan back in 1827), so they can bide their time. Flattening Gaza would kill hundreds of thousands and lead to even the most brain dead American voter waking up to the true nature of the Israel his taxes subsidise.
Einstein had some interesting things to say about the Jews:
As a Jew himself, Einstein said he had a great affinity with Jewish people but said they "have no different quality for me than all other people".
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.
"No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this," he wrote in the letter written on January 3, 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind, cited by The Guardian newspaper.
The German-language letter is being sold Thursday by Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair after being in a private collection for more than 50 years, said the auction house's managing director Rupert Powell.
In it, the renowned scientist, who declined an invitation to become Israel's second president, rejected the idea that the Jews are God's chosen people.
"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions," he said.
"And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people."
And he added: "As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/14/einstein-letter-belief-in_n_101...
you cunts killed nikola tesla a true free energy original your einstein was a cuntish gatekeeper.
you worship a cube
you use blood ritual of innocent goy as tribute to saturn and satan.
your tribe would not exist with blackmail and money lending.
and we must lick your filthy demonic fingers.
why hate it saves time moshe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk
yes, its all a conspiracy
muslims conspiring against the jews, jews conspiring against the muslims
zh seems to have chosen sides
but wait, your judgement will fall on you soon enough
muslims will attack you and your government will do nothing
israel we be a burdonsome stone until the end
careful who you call your enemy
I think of the "liberalz" who support the transition, wonderin' how they will fare under Sharia Law.
Actually, I'm not a'wonderin'
I attended a double-header in KSA a while back.
With full support for the multi-cultural agenda, I remain your faithful servant /s
- Ned
Great!
Now Lebanon's going to get brought into a war?
Hezbollah in Syria and now in Palestine... what could be moar inviting for an, 'R2P - UN', divine intervention for a proxy USSA war!
Hamas should have rid itself of that treacherous two-faced Arafat twenty years ago, to soon! There's nothing left to Palestine but the water-front to vast amounts of natgas & oil that Israel desperately wants to claim in the Levant Basin...?
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jul/09/israel-war-gaza-palestine-natural-gas-energy-crisis
What's left to fight over: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=palestine+territory+now+in+israel+hands&qpvt=palestine+territory+now+israel+hands&FORM=IGRE
* Currently before the fighting all food& supplies into Palestine come via Egypt (friendly now with USSA as was Mubarak/ Sisi?) and Israel. The general pop. has but a kerosene lamp to heat and light their shanty towns, alotted a gal./fuel /household! nice
jmo
Nevermind the decades of terrorist attacks on restaurants, busses, and the 10s of thousands of rockets and mortars the PLO/PA have launched on civilians for decades. Come on are all you people dhimmis already? This has nothing to do with Zionists-and everything to do with a group of people who fled Israel when the whole arab world attacked them, didn't stay and defend their country-and dnow want part of the country to themselves, just because they are islamists? You folks all need some fucking history studies.
If you are attacked on the street, will you not fight back? Don't answer, it's rhetorical. Of course you will. You folks who want to blame this on Isarel are kool-aid drunk and really should read a little history. The "Palestinians" are not even a people. They are all transplants from around the ME, they hate Jews, and dance in the streets when Israeli teenagers are kidnapped, tortured and murdered. Islam is a cult. Islamists are animals. Learn a little about them. I've fought them. They are bloodthirsty murderers. They will kill you given 1/2 the chance, then drag your lifeless body through the streets to prove their point, they hate all people, even their own.
God damn folks, pull your fucking heads from your asses already!
Amen
If you are attacked on the street, will you not fight back?
What gets me about Israelis is their almost total self-deception. The people who were 'attacked on the street' were the Arabs living in Palestine who had their land stolen from them by a bunch of bloodthirsty Zionist terrorists.
The "Palestinians" are not even a people. They are all transplants from around the ME, they hate Jews, and dance in the streets when Israeli teenagers are kidnapped, tortured and murdered. Islam is a cult. Islamists are animals. Learn a little about them. I've fought them. They are bloodthirsty murderers.
I imagine the Nazis used to sit around saying shit like that about the Jews. It's really, really sad what you have become. But then, didn't your hero Ben Gurion say:
"After the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine."
~ David Ben-Gurion to the Zionist Executive, 1937 (Flapan, Birth of Israel, 22)
"...it is impossible to imagine general evacuation [of the Arab population] without compulsion, and brutal compulsion."
~ David Ben-Gurion, 1941 (Michael Bar-Zohar, Facing a Cruel Mirror: Israel's Moment of Truth, 16)
"If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"
But here's the one that really tells us about your mentality:
If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.
Zionists are murderers, liars, and thieves. You are without honor.
Some of your women are pretty hot though, I must admit.
>> You folks all need some fucking history studies.
You, sir, are the one that needs to do some reading about history...
One of the most shattering and shaming indictments of British Foreign policy ever framed has recently come to light in a collection of state documents compiled by Doreen Ingrams and entitled “Palestine Papers 1917-1922, Seeds of Conflict” (John Murray, 1972). As the Foreword very properly reminds us, ‘the (Palestine) conflict began not in 1948 but in 1917 with the publication of the Balfour Declaration, and to understand the intensity of the hatred which exists today between the Arabs and Israel, it is necessary to go back to that crucially important watershed in the history of the Middle East. But Mrs Ingrams does a lot more than merely recall how the eviction of the Arabs of Palestine to make way for the creation of the Israeli state began more than half a century ago. Letting the record speak for itself, she also lays bare the cynicism with which British Ministers at that time committed themselves to the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine, with a total and deliberate disregard for the rights and interests of the Arabs who then numbered 92 per cent of the country’s population.
Until now even those best informed on the history of Palestine since the First World War have been inclined to give Balfour and his colleagues the benefit of the doubt about their ultimate intentions. They have accepted that to the British Government of the day the Balfour Declaration meant no more and no less than it said, when it proclaimed that Britain would help to establish a ‘national home’ for the Jewish people in Palestine without prejudice to the rights of the existing Moslem and Christian Arab population. Consequently there has arisen a widespread idea that Ministers both then and in later years· must have been duped by the wily Zionist Movement, led by Dr Chaim Weizmann, who had intended from the outset that Palestine should become a Jewish state. And the fact that, after twenty years of British rule in Palestine, the ‘national home’ became the Jewish state of the Zionists’ dream, and in so doing dispossessed all but a handful of Arab inhabitants of their homes has been attributed to weakness rather than duplicity on the part of Balfour and his successors.
No longer can anyone be under such an illusion. For the Government of the day stand condemned out of their own mouths and writings of conniving at and furthering every Zionist design from the issue of the Balfour Declaration onwards. In document after document of the State Papers which Mrs Ingrams has brought to light the sordid proof is revealed that Balfour and his colleagues knew exactly what the Zionists were up to and that, with the honourable exceptions of Lord Curzon and Edwin Montagu, they had every intention of helping them to fulfil their aims.
Worse than this,the Government deliberately set out to deceive the Arab majority in Palestine as to their real intentions with promises and guarantees that they had 'nothing to be frightened about'[1]and that Britain would 'never consent' to a Jewish Government being set up to rule their land.[2]As early as 1915 we now learn that Sir Herbert Samuel, a dedicated Zionist who was later to become the chief executive of the British mandatory government in Palestine, was expressing the hope that Jewish immigration would ensure that in due course a Jewish majority would prevail and rule over the country.[3] True there was, until the outbreak of the Russian Revolution in 1917, little inclination on the part of the British Cabinet to support Samuel’s aspirations, although Balfour and other leading Ministers had apparently already declared their sympathy for Zionism.[4] But when the seat of power in Petrograd was seized by the Bolsheviks, among whose leaders were several prominent Jews, and it became evident that Germany was actively promoting the Bolshevik cause in order to winkle Russia out of her war-time alliance with Britain and France, the British Government suddenly awoke to the importance of Zionism to the Allies’ war effort. Sir Ronald Graham, an Assistant Under-Secretary of State in the Foreign Office whom Weizmann was to describe as being most helpful to the Zionist cause,[5] sent a memorandum to the Permanent Under-Secretary saying that ‘We ought … to secure all the political advantage we can out of our connection with Zionism and there is no doubt that this advantage will be considerable especially in Russia; Ministers, he suggested, should now ‘meet the wishes of the Zionists and give them an assurance that His Majesty’s Government are in general sympathy with their aspirations’. To which suggestion, Balfour responded by inviting Weizmann and Lord Rothschild ‘to submit a formula[6]
Four months later, on October 4, 1917, when the Cabinet were considering the Zionist formula, Balfour informed his colleagues that ‘the German Government were making great efforts to capture the sympathy of the Zionist Movement’ and suggested that Britain should promote the establishment of ‘a Jewish national focus in Palestine’. After further discussion the Cabinet duly agreed to this proposal and, on November 2, Balfour issued his famous declaration in the form of a letter to Lord Rothschild stating that ‘His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country’.[7] Whereupon, to exploit the propaganda advantage of this British flirtation with Zionism, leaflets were dropped over German and Austrian territory and pamphlets circulated to Jewish soldiers in the armies of Germany and her Central European allies, proclaiming that ‘the hour of Jewish redemption has arrived. . . . The Allies are giving the Land of Israel to the people of Israel. . . . Will you join them and help to build a Jewish homeland in Palestine? … Stop fighting the Allies who are fighting for you, for all the Jews …. An Allied victory means the Jewish people’s return to Zion’.[8]
Such a claim was of course far beyond the actual terms of the Balfour Declaration. But, as we now know, it was no more than the author of the declaration himself intended. And, as the Cabinet minutes of that period show, Balfour envisaged an outcome far beyond what the guarded language of his letter to Lord Rothschild actually said. For when he and his colleagues were discussing the wording of the declaration on October 31, Balfour made it very clear that, in his judgement, the Jewish national home would become a Jewish state as ‘a matter for gradual development in accordance with the ordinary laws of political evolution’.[9] Which choice of words was to be echoed in the proposals ‘regarding the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine’, which the Zionist Organisation made to the Foreign Office prior to the Versailles Peace Conference in November 1918. Moreover, as Weizmann was to admit several years later, both Balfour and his Prime Minister, David Lloyd George, had no hesitation in telling the Zionist leader that in using the phrase ‘national home’ in the declaration, ‘We meant a Jewish state’.[10]
It is scarcely surprising, therefore, that Lord Curzon made no impression on Balfour when he warned him that Weizmann ‘contemplates a Jewish state, a Jewish nation, a subordinate population of Arabs, etc. ruled by Jews; the Jews in possession of the fat of the land and directing the Administration’, and that he was ‘trying to effect this behind the screen and under the shelter of British trusteeship’.[11]Curzon’s warning was ignored, as was also his protest that, on historical grounds, the British had ‘a stronger claim to parts of France’ than the Jews had to Palestine, considering that their connection with the land had ‘terminated 1,200 years ago’.[12]
Likewise Edwin Montagu, Secretary of State for India and himself a Jew, was brushed aside when he argued that the system of Government under the British mandate discriminated against the Arabs in favour of the tiny Jewish minority.[13] For, as is all too evident from the Cabinet documents of this period, the British Government never intended to allow the Arab majority any voice in shaping the future of their own country. ‘The weak point of our position’, Balfour wrote to Lloyd George in February 1919, ‘is of course that in the case of Palestine we deliberately and rightly decline to accept the principle of self-determination’.[14] If the existing population were consulted, he added, they would ‘unquestionably’ return an anti-Zionist verdict. And in reply to Curzon, Balfour stated quite categorically that
[15]More remarkably still, in the same memorandum he discounted the reassurances which had been given to quieten Arab suspicions regarding British intentions by saying ‘In short, so far as Palestine is concerned, the Powers have made no statement of fact which is not admittedly wrong, and no declaration of policy which, at least in the letter, they have not always intended to violate’.[16] (Small wonder that Curzon should have said of Balfour that he was ‘the worst and most dangerous of the British Foreign Ministers’ with whom he had ever dealt, a man who ‘never looked ahead’, who trusted in his extraordinary ‘mental agility . . . to extricate himself from any complication however embarrassing’, and who, despite ‘his scintillating intellectual exterior, had no depth of feeling, no profound convictions and strange to say (in spite of his fascination of manner) no real affection?[17])
pledging that the Arabs in the territories to be liberated from Turkish rule would be free to choose their own form of government, which had been issued as a reassurance to those who feared that the Balfour Declaration would cancel out McMahon’s undertaking. And any Arab objections to these breaches of faith were to be dismissed as the voice of prejudice of the corrupt ‘effendi’ class of land-owners who had no claim to represent the people of Palestine. This even though Sir Gilbert Clayton, Britain’s leading Arabist of the time and Chief Political Officer to the British army in the Middle East, pointed out that such an argument was not a fair statement of the facts and that not only were the effendis ‘worthy representatives of their class but (that) fear and dislike of Zionism has become general throughout all classes. . . ‘.[18]
At the same time both the British Government and the Zionists did everything possible to conceal their true intentions. A Zionist commission, headed by Weizmann, was sent to the Middle East to pull the wool over the eyes of the Arabs and in particular to secure the co-operation of Emir Feisal, whose authority among his Arab fellows was thought to be paramount, in the policy of large-scale Jewish immigration into Palestine without which the Jews could never have hoped to realise the Zionist aim of ultimately ruling the country. Weizmann’s tactics were modelled on those laid down by a leading Zionist, Max Nordau, as long ago as 1897 who, speaking to a Zionist conference in Basle, had emphasised the need to ‘find a circumlocution that would express all we meant, but would say it in a way so as to avoid provoking the Turkish rulers of the coveted land’. [19]
Using every possible ‘circumlocution’, Weizmann set about the task of winning Feisal’s and the Arabs’ confidence. ‘It is not our aim’, he told a meeting of Arabs and Jews in Jaffa in May 1918, ‘to get hold of the supreme power and administration in Palestine, nor to deprive any native of his possession’.[20] Rumours and sayings to this effect were, he said, ‘false and unfounded’. All that he wanted, and his fellow Jews throughout the world agreed completely about this, was that Jewish immigrants should be ‘comfortably accommodated’ in a land which could ‘contain many times the present number of its inhabitants’.
On another occasion Weizmann also assured his Arab listeners that ‘a Jewish Government would be fatal’ to his plans and that it was simply his wish ‘to provide a home for the Jews in the Holy Land where they could live their own national life, sharing equal rights with the other inhabitants’.[21] He had, he added, ‘no intention of taking advantage of the present conditions caused by the war by buying up land’, but rather to ‘provide for future immigrants by taking up waste and crown lands of which there were ample for all sections of the community’. Likewise, to Feisal himself Weizmann denied categorically that the Zionists intended to set up a Jewish Government. All that they wanted to do was to help in developing the country ‘without encroaching on other legitimate interests’.[22]
To all this the Arabs willingly agreed that ‘both Moslems and Christians shall treat their compatriots the Jews as they treat one another, so long as the Jews regard and respect the rights of these two religions, thus confirming their words by their actions’.[23] And they added that ‘We thank Great Britain who will guarantee the rights and safety of all the three peoples and deal with them with equality’. Feisal too wholeheartedly welcomed ‘Jewish co-operation’, which he accepted as ‘essential to future Arab ambitions’.[24] And at the end of that same year 1918, on his way to the Versailles conference, he had a further meeting with Weizmann in London. The result of this encounter was the signature by both men of an agreement by which Feisal agreed to the immigration of Jews into Palestine, provided that the rights of Arab peasants and tenant farmers were protected. Feisal added a codicil, which both he and Weizmann also signed, saying that the agreement was subject to the Arabs obtaining the independence which Britain had promised them and that, if the smallest modification or departure from this objective were to be made, he would not be bound by a single word of the agreement.[25]
In fact, as Balfour admitted to Lloyd George and Curzon within weeks of allowing the signature of this agreement and codicil, the British Government had no intention of allowing ‘self-determination’ for the Arabs of Palestine. Far from granting them the independence which had been repeatedly promised over the previous two years, Britain was not ‘even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants’. Rather was she about to govern the country under a League of Nations Mandate in the full knowledge that, in the course of time and after sufficient numbers of Jews had migrated to Palestine to gain an effective foothold. a Jewish state would be proclaimed as ‘a matter for gradual development in accordance with the ordinary laws of political evolution’.
But no word of these intentions was of course to be allowed to reach the ears of the Arabs, who were to be lulled into believing, with the credulous Feisal, that Jewish ‘co-operation’ would help them to fulfil their aim of independence and that Britain would ‘guarantee the rights and safety’ of all the peoples of Palestine and ‘deal with them with equality’. No less determined than the Zionists’ leader to deceive the Arab majority in Palestine, the Foreign Office said, in a telegram sent early in 1918 to Sir Reginald Wingate, the High Commissioner in Cairo, ‘it is most important that everything should be done to …. allay Arab suspicions regarding the true aims of Zionism’.[26]And when an Arab delegation visited London in August 1921 to seek assurances regarding their future, a senior Colonial Office official, Sir Hubert Young, still further spelled out to Ministers the deceptions which they were practising on the inhabitants of Palestine. In a memorandum for the Foreign Secretary he wrote that, although the general strategic idea was ‘the gradual immigration of Jews into Palestine until that country becomes a predominantly Jewish State’, it was ‘questionable whether we are in a position to tell the Arabs what our policy really means’.[27] And to the same Arab delegation Sir Herbert Samuel, as the High Commissioner in Palestine, was no less ready to dissemble than Weizmann had been in his encounters with Feisal. Having earlier proclaimed in a public speech that ‘the British Government ‘has never consented and will never consent’ to the establishment of a Jewish Government,[28]he assured the delegation that the British Government would carry out the measures with which they had promised to protect the rights of the non-Jewish population of Palestine. ‘I can well understand’, he went on, ‘that there are many people in this country who have doubts whether the Government will really carry into effect these safeguards. They have been accustomed to Governments which say one thing and do another. This is not the way of the British Government. If it gives guarantees, those guarantees will be put into force.’[29]
Yet, as Samuel knew perfectly well, more than two years earlier Weizmann had made it crystal clear to Ministers in London that his aim was to establish in Palestine a Jewish Commonwealth, with some four to five million Jewish immigrants within a generation, in order to ‘make Palestine a Jewish country’.[30] And although such an aim was in flagrant contradiction of the ‘safeguards’ which the High Commissioner insisted would be applied to protect Arab rights and interests, Balfour and his colleagues accepted without contradiction Weizmann’s assertions that there was no conflict between his policy and the Declaration’s pledges to the non-Jewish communities.
Only Curzon and Montagu raised any objections. Curzon protested that ‘the Zionists are after a Jewish State with Arabs as hewers of wood and drawers of water’. The Palestine mandate, he claimed, had been ‘drawn up by someone reeling under the fumes of Zionism’ and ‘the poor Arabs are allowed to look through the keyhole as a non-Jewish community.[31] But Curzon’s objections to the terms of the mandate were no more heeded than his earlier protests against the Balfour Declaration on which the mandate was based. They were brusquely brushed aside in favour of the argument recorded in the Cabinet minutes of August 18, 1921, that Arabs had no prescriptive right to a country which they failed to develop to the best advantage’.[32] And the only result which Curzon’s remonstrances obtained was the transfer responsibility for Palestine affairs from the Foreign Office over which he presided, to the Colonial Office, then under direction of Mr Winston Churchill, an avowed supporter of the Zionist cause.
From then on the Zionists’ fortunes prospered even more strongly than before and their leading British adherents were to be found in nearly every key position from the Cabinet down through the Colonial Office to the British mandatory government in Palestine. Samuel, a Zionist of long standing had of course already been appointed High Commissioner, in which capacity he was being assisted by Sir Ronald Storrs, as Civil Governor of Jerusalem, who had from 1918 confessed himself as being yet another ‘convinced Zionist’.[33] Now others no less biased in outlook were promoted to posts of critical importance. Colonel Richard Meinertzhagen, a former Chief Political Officer in Palestine whom Weizmann had described as ‘an ardent Zionist’[34] who would go out of his way to serve the cause whenever he could do so, was appointed Military adviser to the Middle East department of the Colonial Office for the next three years. Hubert Young, who had served as a Political and Staff Officer in the Middle East during the war and who showed himself to be no friend of the Arabs, was promoted to be head of the same department. And although T. E. Lawrence was also roped in by Churchill as an expert on the Arab world, it was by now a very different Lawrence to the man who had fought with Feisal’s armies against the Turks. For at this point he had become thoroughly disenchanted with the Arab cause. Not only did he make the astonishing claim in an unpublished memoir that Britain had emerged from her Middle East involvements ‘with clean hands’, but as one of his first acts on joining Churchill’s team, he advocated arming the Jewish immigrants in Palestine against the native Arab population.[35]
With such a group of pro-Zionist and anti-Arab Ministers and officials directing the government of Palestine both at home and on the spot, it is scarcely surprising that British policy discriminated at almost every turn against the Moslem and Christian majority in the country. While the Arabs were denied any democratic system of representation, the Zionists were allowed to establish a Commission and later an Agency of their own in Palestine. And despite vehement Arab protests, the Zionist Commission became within a few months, in the words of General Bols, the Chief Administrator under Samuel, an ‘Administration within an Administration’, which rendered ‘good government impossible’ and brought home to the Arabs that ‘privileges and liberties are allowed to the Jews which are denied to them’.[36] But when BoIs went on to suggest that, in the interests of peace and justice, the Zionist Commission be abolished, all that he achieved was his own immediate dismissal and eventual transfer to the governorship of Bermuda. Thereafter all warnings that the Arab majority would not suffer much longer the discriminatory treatment being meted out to them were received with derisive comments from officials such as Meinertzhagen to the effect that ‘it is again suggested that we give way to the Arab Bogey and again ask the Zionists to renounce the Balfour Declaration’.[37]Far from conceding anything to the Arabs’ appeal for equal treatment, it was held in Whitehall that what were needed were yet stronger measures by the Palestine Administration to show who was master in the land.
The nearest that the mandatory authorities got to allowing the Arabs any form of representative institutions was to establish at the end of 1920 an Advisory Council of ten official and ten non-official members. But Samuel insisted that the Council’s non-official element, no less than the official members who were all Government servants, should be nominated by him and not elected by the communities whose interests they were supposed to represent. Even worse than this, the system of representation among the non-official members, with four Moslems, three Jews and three Christians making up the total of ten, put the Arab Moslems in a minority although they then numbered some 80 per cent of the total population. And as Edwin Montagu protested to his Cabinet colleagues, the composition of the Advisory Council constituted ‘a monstrous and flagrant violation of the principles to which I understood His Majesty’s Government were committed, (namely) that the Government of Palestine should be composed of the various races therein living in proportion to their numbers’.[38]
Apart from this travesty of democracy, the Arabs, whether Moslem or Christian, were not allowed any representative institutions, although the Jewish minority had been permitted early in 1920 to hold elections for a Jewish Assembly to deal with matters affecting their community. For as Samuel reported home in November of that year, ‘there is a possibility that the Moslem and Christian communities might wish to establish assemblies of their own . . . (whose) activities might conflict with the policy in relation to Palestine adopted by His Majesty’s Government’.[39] Any elected body of Arabs would, it was felt, ‘undoubtedly prohibit further immigration of Jews’[40]and so ‘bar the way to the execution of the Zionist programme’.[41] And as Churchill claimed in his statement to the House of Commons on Palestine policy on June 14, 1921, to stop future immigration would be to accept the proposition that ‘the word of Britain no longer counts throughout the East and the Middle East’.
Churchill seemed to have forgotten the undertakings given to the Arabs of Palestine, from the McMahon pledge of 1915 onwards, when he spoke about the value of ‘the word of Britain’. Likewise, when he issued the first of many White Papers on Palestine a year later, and denied that it had ever been British policy to allow Palestine to become a wholly Jewish state,[42] Churchill equally overlooked the fact that, both in Cabinet and at meetings with Weizmann at which he himself was present, Balfour and Lloyd George had made it clear that, in their view, the Jewish national home would develop into a Jewish state. And even if his memory had played him false in these respects, it is difficult to believe that he intended readers of his White Paper to take seriously his statement that the Government had always regarded Palestine as part of the territory ‘lying to the west of Damascus’ which had been specifically excluded from McMahon’s promise of independence to the Arabs. For, as every schoolboy knew, Palestine lay to the south and not the west of Damascus, and as every member of the wartime Government, including Churchill, must also have known, the point of McMahon’s reservation was purely to protect the claims of France to Lebanon and had nothing whatever to do with Palestine.
What makes it even more inexcusable that the Colonial Office should have forgotten or ignored these truths when presenting their Palestine policy to Parliament is the fact that, three months before the issue of the White Paper, Churchill was forcefully reminded of Britain’s obligations to the Arabs during the course of an official visit to Palestine. At a meeting in March 1921 with a deputation of Moslems and Christians of the Haifa district, he was told that the Arabs had not hated the Turks and trusted the British because of any national prejudices, but because they craved that independence which the former had denied them and the latter had promised as a reward for shedding their blood in the cause of the Allies. Yet now it seemed that the Arabs’ reward was to see Palestine denied independence and ‘isolated for a thought-out purpose’. Consequently, the deputation continued, ‘the Arabs’ belief in England is not what it was’. And in a concluding appeal which was to have prophetic significance, they warned the Colonial Secretary that ‘If England does not take up the cause of the Arabs, other Powers will. From India, Mesopotamia, the Hedjaz and Palestine the cry goes up to England now. If she does not listen, then perhaps Russia will take up their call some day …. For though today Russia’s voice is not heard in the councils of the nations, yet the time must come when it will assert itself’.[43]
But England failed to ‘listen’ to the cry of the Palestinian Arabs. Churchill insisted in replying to the deputation that the fulfilment of the Balfour Declaration would be ‘good for the Arabs who dwell in Palestine’. And when the Arabs continued to object and to suspect that Britain’s promises to them were not going to be carried out, his successor at the Colonial Office, the Duke of Devonshire, brushed aside their protests, telling his Cabinet Colleagues that ‘Considering what they (the Arabs) owe to us, they may surely let us have our way in one small area which we do not admit to be covered by our pledges, and which in any case, for historical and other reasons, stands on a wholly different footing from the rest of the Arab countries’.[44]
So the discriminations continued. Tens of thousands of Jews from Europe were allowed to migrate to Palestine and by the middle thirties the Jewish proportion of the population had risen from 8 to 30 per cent. More threatening still, large tracts of land were bought up by the Jewish Agency from Lebanese and Syrian landlords now living under French rule, who found it difficult and sometimes impossible to obtain the necessary passports and permits to visit their tenant farms. And as the land was parcelled out among the new Jewish settlers, the former Arab tenants were evicted, sometimes with only a few pounds compensation, often with none.
Deprived of any constitutional means of appeal or protest, the Arabs in 1936 resorted to violence in an attempt to force their British rulers to honour their guarantees and to ‘deal with them with equality’. But to no avail. The Arabs were still denied any effective system of representation and, although commissions of enquiry were sent periodically to Palestine to make proposals for a settlement, the best that they offered was a partition arrangement under which 60 per cent of the cultivable area was to be awarded to the Jewish 30 per cent of the population.
After three years of continuous bloodshed and revolt, the British Government finally sought to make amends for the injustice and discrimination perpetrated under the mandate. But by then it was too late. The famous proposal in the White Paper of 1939 for the establishment, after a ten-year transition period, of an independent bi-national state in Palestine was still-born. Any hope of resolving the issue by such a device was immediately overtaken by the outbreak of World War II. And when peace was restored six years later, Britain was far too exhausted to dispense her rule in the area any longer. Consequently, although Ernest Bevin, like a latter-day Curzon, strove to prevent further injury being done to the Arabs, the Zionists were able to realise their aims and those of Balfour and Lloyd George thirty years before. Britain bowed out of Palestine in 1948 and, within the next twenty years, out of the whole of the Middle East. And just as the wise men of Haifa had warned Churchill in 1921, Russia took over as the champion of the Arabs in the search for justice for those who had been evicted from their homes to make way for the State of Israel.
Today, as we are constantly reminded by such grisly crimes as the massacre of Israeli athletes at Munich and the counter-massacre of Palestinian refugees in camps across the borders of Lebanon and Syria, the conflict between Zionist and Arab is as far as ever from being resolved. To delve into the past and to read from the State Papers of fifty years ago how a British Cabinet violated every pledge to their war-time Arab allies cannot of itself bring about a settlement. Too much has happened since the Balfour Declaration was issued and too many Jewish roots have been put down in the soil of Palestine to put back the clock to 1917. Any solution, to be viable and acceptable, must take account of modern facts as well as ancient claims. But whatever the ultimate terms of settlement might be, the archives which Mrs Ingrams has unearthed demonstrate beyond any doubt that our present and future Governments, as successors of Balfour and his colleagues, have an inescapable obligation to help in resolving the problem and removing the injustice which their predecessors cynically and deliberately visited on the Arabs of Palestine. The fact that Britain has meanwhile withdrawn her military presence from the Middle East and no longer presumes to tell complaisant Arab rulers what to do cannot mean that we are entitled today to wash our hands and abdicate all responsibility for resolving the Arab-Israeli conflict. For as the record reveals, the seeds of this conflict were sown, not accidentally or under duress, but intentionally by Ministers who knew that what they were doing was as dishonest as it was unjust, yet who went on doing it, come what might.
http://www.balfourproject.org/balfour-and-palestine/
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illi, use a link next time, you dont have to post the whole web site here.
I just wanted to make sure he got his history lesson. People like him don't read links..
That others had to endure this...mea culpa.
I was a young piglet when I started reading ....
Why don't they bulldozer gaza into the sea? This rocket problem keeps coming back. Apparently they didn't lose their motivation enough last time.
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