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One Portfolio Manager Speaks: "Nothing Can Make Me Bullish on Stocks Now"

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"Stocks are going up for reasons [investors] don't really want to understand," warns Titanium Capital's Philip Manduca. The main reasoning, reflecting on the market's shrug at Portugal's problems is "We have survived so many crises. What is another," but Manduca blasts "It's a cynical approach. The real problem is the guys who have got the dice in their hands keep changing them. They can do whatever they want. They are making new rules all the time." With that background he say there are good reasons for this market to fall and "nothing can make [him] bullish stocks now." While Janet Yellen should "introduce two-way risk" this week, he reminds us that "she is a political appointee... whose job is make sure they stay in power as long as possible." The problem is - US monetary policy is the world's lowest common denominator and has consequences...

 

 

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Mon, 07/14/2014 - 12:58 | 4955889 timeless21
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what a retard

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:06 | 4955923 slaughterer
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I do not give a sh*t about anyone from Titanium Capital.   But Santelli's angry incoherence was pretty funny this morning. 

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:09 | 4955931 LawsofPhysics
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People who's position is being made obsolete (by robots, central banks, or otherwise) get like that.

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:14 | 4955947 slaughterer
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Santelli ended by screaming "THIS is the model!" (of free markets) that Yellen should follow while pointing at the open outcry floor of the Chicago Exchange.    

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:34 | 4955997 SunRise
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Rick was not incoherent to me at all.  The model Rick pointed to was not "open outcry" which is just one possible characteristic of free markets. 

What is the purpose of government?  The purpose of government is solely to keep other people from stealing your life or your stuff.  When government exceeds those bounds; such as, by forcing you to use U.S. Official Dollars for transactions, Dollars for which they only are permitted to have a printing press with it's attendent capability to fake productive labor,  then government becomes the thief.

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:57 | 4956029 slaughterer
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The Merc is like a dinosaur that should be put in a museum for grade schoolers to see what life was like in the Pre-HFT age. 

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:46 | 4956034 LawsofPhysics
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Correct.  Defend our boarders for commerce and insure that everyone is subject to the same laws of commerce.

I say "commerce" because it all comes down to trade

We have been using dollars to trade in many things, the most notable being oil, which still runs the real economy.  As soon as the majority of people on earth feel that they are getting fucked by the dollar, they will bypass it altogether.

What people fail to grasp is the observation that such paradigm shifts occur in an exponential fashion.

When no one wants dollars, a dollar-based government is irrelevant.

You better have a fucking skillset outside of the paper-pushing world.

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:43 | 4956023 post turtle saver
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so this means "strong buy", right?

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 15:09 | 4956370 rbg81
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Investing 101 -- The time to sell stocks is when EVERYONE is bullish.

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 18:18 | 4957165 aVileRat
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Is everyone bullish ?

Think carefully about how and what you are reading on asset rotation / net open spec positions on inflation hedged asset classes.

 

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 23:20 | 4957938 rbg81
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No.  I think we are a long way from everyone being bullish.

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 12:58 | 4955890 TeamDepends
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And on the sixth day, Mighty Yellen introduced two-way risk.....

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 12:59 | 4955897 Sudden Debt
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All I know is that those people who don't understand shit and just bought and hold on in 2008 made a shitload more money than I did...

It's the 3rd freaking time my calls are stopped out on silver and gold in a row... And a donkey only hits himself twice on the same rock so what does that make me...

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:22 | 4955963 Handful of Dust
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It's so screwed up. I know some retired bright money managers who took 60-80% losses in 20087 and sold everything when they saw how poor the fundamentals and leadership were and never got back in. Yet, I know some total dolts who never read any financial stuff and who never sold and paid no attention to the entire mess who recovered almost all their losses.

Makes me feel like a star on Hee Haw.

 

 

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:27 | 4955981 Uchtdorf
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I upped you for the Hee Haw reference.

"Gloom, despair and agony on me,

Deep dark depression, excessive misery,

If it weren't for bad luck,

I'd have no luck at all.

Gloom, despair and agony on me.

 

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 15:28 | 4956483 Nick Jihad
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Corny jokes, babes, and talented musicians. First-class television, but unacceptable because southern accent.

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:29 | 4955967 Kaiser Sousa
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"All I know is that those people who don't understand shit and just bought and hold on in 2008 made a shitload more money than I did..."

really and who might those people be???
the mom and pop retail investor thats buying cat food cause they were wiped out in 07-08' before the Fed bailed out their shareholders and left everyone else fucked???

and what does that "shitload" look like after capital gains tax, commission or other fees, and adjusted for real inflation???
and then what do you end of with - more green pieces of debt that buy less, and less, and less...

and why r u attempting to trade the only 2 forms of real money in the rigged casino the MoneyChangers control and use on the daily to rob u and everyone else blind...
u should know they aint got no real Silver or Gold and all you gotta do is buy the PHYSICAL then sit back, relax and laugh at their phony paper games...

just sayin' man...

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:48 | 4956039 post turtle saver
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you'll never see it admitted by the Tylers, but if you'd followed their rhetoric in 2009 instead of BTFD with both hands you'd have lost money... sorry, it's the plain truth but they'll never fess up to it

anecdotal evidence... CAT... if you'd run away from CAT every time they got dressed down here you would have lost your shirt... instead I'm looking at a four bagger that's done nothing but increase dividends since I bought it... for a company that's supposed to have one leg in the grave and another on a banana peel, they're sure doing a hell of a job of making me money...

try it sometime... use RThedge as a contrarian indicator... I think the results may surprise you...

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 15:39 | 4956536 SmittyinLA
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Gold & Silver are tools for chumps, you are chump change.

Those metals, their prices are controlled, any money put into those is "parked" in a controlled environment that YOU DONT CONTROL.

Dont forget we're at war with Russia, and when you wage war with Russia you try & suppress Gold & oil, oil is hard to suppress, no so much gold, most gold is for.......decoration

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:01 | 4955902 Moneyswirth
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THIS IS ALL SO BULLISH!

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:03 | 4955913 disabledvet
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There's only one safe place to get your oil and natural gas right now.

Everyone else is going to war.

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:14 | 4955946 Sudden Debt
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I think the plan for the middle east is pretty obvious...

I never understood why the US started drilling on it's strategic oil a few years back.

Now it's clear, they want to torch the middle east without crippling the US itself.

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:21 | 4955961 BurningFuld
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What's clear to me is this ISIS thing was designed and weaponized by the USA. My thought is the Saudis are thinking about taking payment for their oil in other currencies so the USA dreamed up this ISIS thing to keep the Saudis in line. Obama was just trying to get another 500 million to help arm the "Syrian Rebels" (aka ISIS)

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:34 | 4956005 Sudden Debt
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And the fact that Isis is selling the oil they capture is also telling.

If they really where against the west, they would just blow up the wells and frack the holes by pumping in a explosive.

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:10 | 4955929 syntaxterror
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Oh bullshit. Yellen could appear on CNBC and prattle on about keeping ZIRP for another year or two extra and this twerp would submit a giant S&P 500 buy order. Fuck these clowns. He would load up on dung futures if Yellen wanted him to.

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:12 | 4955941 Itchy and Scratchy
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The refrain of a short squeezed!

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:15 | 4955948 Fuh Querada
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On my tablet the above post concludes with photographs of women indulging in sexual foreplay.

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:14 | 4955949 kristian01
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who the fcuk is titanium capital?  every time it seems like ZH has scraped the bottom of the barrel with no-name (& no clout) apocalyptic portfolio managers, they find some other clown

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 15:22 | 4956453 mastersnark
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Hopefully, that guy holding a gun to your head to make you read ZH will fall asleep so you can click over to CNBC.

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:15 | 4955952 J Pancreas
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I'd wager everyone on ZH has family and friends who don't get 'it'. Whether this is a slow grind to third world mediocrity or a war, both are sad results of yielding our sovereignty to a central bank and the century of dumbing down the western populace. While sad I don't really mind - I've convinced my wife to buy an apartment outright in a sleepy area of a third world country. This supertanker can't be turned around in my lifetime.

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:21 | 4955962 FredFlintstone
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When are you sending your wife off to the apartment? So what makes this sleepy area of a 3rd world country a better bet than a sleepy area of the USA?

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:34 | 4956004 BobTheSlob
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Damn good question! Wonder what the locals in that sleepy 3rd world country will start thinking of the expats once they start feeling the sting of America's decline?

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 16:02 | 4956647 syntaxterror
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The sleepy 3rd world country is too poor to monitor your every movement. 

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:22 | 4955964 Grande Tetons
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Wise move.  

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:27 | 4955979 vyeung
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when you say thrid world, dun forget we live in one RIGHT NOW!

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 13:28 | 4955989 yogibear
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This guy is looking like a fool.

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 14:16 | 4956150 pitterrier
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If you want your oil you can keep your oil - translation, "We want your oil and will take your oil."

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 16:03 | 4956655 syntaxterror
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Here, if you have a milkshake, and I have a milkshake, and I have a straw. There it is, that's a straw, you see? Watch it. Now, my straw reaches acroooooooss the room and starts to drink your milkshake. I... drink... your... milkshake!

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 14:56 | 4956315 Itchy and Scratchy
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They'd be wiped out if they were trading the MERVAL! +300% Y/Y!

Mon, 07/14/2014 - 15:31 | 4956508 SmittyinLA
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the zionist printers are totally predictable, an open book, as reliable to lie as Obama

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