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Israeli Military "Denies Targeting Children" Slammed For "Not Having The Courage To Talk To Hamas"

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In one of the most uncomfortable (and must-see) interviews, UK Channel 4's John Snow 'discusses' Israel's bombing raids and policies towards Hamas with Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev. The interview starts with a punch, "How does killing children on a beach contribute to your purpose of protecting Israeli civilians?" Regev ducks and weaves from question to question, flummoxed when Snow jabs, "if you couldn't tell these were 4 young Palestinian children playing football on a Gaza beach, you need better equipment," only to be slammed towards the end with, "why not be brave and talk directly to Hamas? You haven't got the courage." Not the kind of interview one is likely to see on US TV.

 

 

 

The 4 children hit by Israeli shells while playing on the beach

The aftermath...

 

And the rather stunning interview...

 

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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:04 | 4965911 Atomizer
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We as American's are fucking sick of funding your bullshit.

Wed, 07/16/2014 - 23:57 | 4965872 X86BSD
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1) IM NOT INSTALLING FLASH TO WATCH YOUR FUCKING INTERVIEW.

 

2) FUCK ISRAHELL. And every Zionist alive. I hope your country falls into the ocean and sinks!

 

3) Fuck you Yellen!

 

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:02 | 4965892 Atomizer
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You have to wonder why we don’t like our red headed step child.

The Jewish Way

Call 212-499-5426 for ordering Matzah Ball Soup.

/sarc

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:38 | 4966239 Duffy Duck
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Meh, unfair to pick out a real whackjob and ascribe his beliefs to the more reasonable...

check out this guy:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6IYvP07LG4

old timer...  I mean his beliefs are batshit crazy, it's clear he doesn't fully understand Christian theology as to Jesus being God [the trinity being One for Catholics and Orthodox, etc.], and that he's leaving out much of Jewish mythos in which 'The Jew' is in essence more 'of God' than the non-Jew....  but all in all a likeable guy I'd be willing to sit and listen to.  Not a bad dude - just mired in the dogma he came up with.

 

My own grandfather probably would have asked the guy one question:  Sir, do you think, if you had been born to Hindu parents, you'd be a Hindu?

I'm sure he'd say yes, and he'd left to think, all by himself, for himself, what that really means.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:50 | 4966256 Atomizer
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Read below and move on. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:03 | 4965902 XRAYD
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Terrorist Terrorist Terrorist everywhere,

not a singe terrorist in sight!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:04 | 4965912 AUD
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It is interesting to see all the Yids come out & defend their brethren no matter what death & destruction they cause because "we have always been & will always be the victims".

What's conveniently forgotten is that the Palestinians have been under blockade for years, a blockade is an act of war. Palestinians are not blockading Israel, therefore Israel is at war with the Palestinians.

If you Yids are getting blasted by Hamas rockets, tough shit. It's not like you can't respond with overwhelming force anyhow.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:10 | 4965930 luckystars
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They are guilty in their silence because they benifit from being Jewish, the money goes to Jewish pockets.

Which is why when this all goes live they all will be blamed as they were in Hitlers Germany. They don't police

their own people.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:17 | 4965965 JR
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Free Germany

Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

Moving to typewriters, or even handwriting, is not proof against American spying. But if you want to strike a blow for freedom, and help German (and American) taxpayers, kick the US occupation forces out of your country. Close the gigantic US military bases, and sell off the buildings and land for productive, private uses. You can hold the airplanes and other weapons until the US returns your gold. Isn’t 69 years of domination by arrogant foreigners enough? Oh, and get out of imperial Nato, too.  (Thanks to Robert Hiett)

5:03 pm on July 15, 2014

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/hey-germany/

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:51 | 4966067 PrecipiceWatching
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Yes.

Please do "kick us out" of your country.

Real Americans will be thrilled to spend those billions of dollars on, and deploy those thousands of men in, AMERICAN interests.

We don't have your gold, the International Banksters do.  So we'll be taking our weaponry.  Defend yourselves, you condescending snots.

 

 

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:25 | 4966221 JR
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US occupation troops are in Germany to keep Germans in submission.

As Dr. Paul Craig Roberts puts it:Germany, which has been browbeat since its defeat in World War II, has been made constitutionally incapable of strong leadership. Any sign of German leadership is quickly quelled by dredging up remembrances of the Third Reich.’"

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:15 | 4966910 PrecipiceWatching
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What horseshit.

The Germans THEMSELVES are the ones in love with their newfound Pacifism and their Greens religion.

Most Amerians would welcome a strong, able-to-defend itself Germany, enabling billions of US taxpayer dollars to come home.

Let the Germans (and the rest of Europe) redirect their own billions in defending themselves. 

 

Or not.  But good luck with that.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:58 | 4966077 Gadfly
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Evil knows no morality.  It has no regard for the weak, oppressed, or less fortunate.  It admits no rights for others -- only those it would impose by force.  It condemns all those who dissent without regard for evidence or truth.  It never admits any wrongdoing since it believes its actions alone determine what is right.  It feels no shame, accepts no blame, and pleads innocence at every turn.  It constantly paints itself as the victim, and attacks and curses those who would condemn its crimes.

 

 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter." Is. 5:20.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:07 | 4966093 JoJoJo
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Egypt blockaded Gaza for years.Any way to treat your peaceful Moslem brethren?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:49 | 4966254 Serenity Now
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Good point.  AND Egypt refused to take Gaza in the 1970-whatever peace accords.  Didn't want it.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:14 | 4965948 Paracelsus
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RACHEL CORRIE

 

RACHEL CORRIE

 

RACHEL CORRIE

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:20 | 4966292 hot sauce technician
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Rachel Whorey was an NWO agent who spread her legs for suicide bombing, baby killing jihadists all in the name of retaining the global status quo. That she excelled in her idiocy and stood in front of an Israeli machine of war as it was making progress in an attempt to dramatize someone's apparent suffering is a grand demonstration of her "usefulness" and is indeed tragic.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:30 | 4966311 The_Prisoner
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Your blod-thirst and moral relativistm speaks volumes.

Do you also blame the children on this story for standing in front of the missile?

Hillary Clinton is a NWO whore who spreads her legs for suicide bombing (in Syria), Pakistan, and Lybia. and I don't see you spousing driving a bulldozer over her.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:17 | 4966522 hot sauce technician
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Moral relativism? Is that how you describe the golden rule of "don't shoot at me and I won't shoot at you"? (A concept which Hamas obviously has problems processing.)

And Whorey seems to have been thirsting to become a martyr for UNRWA, white supremacists and the Arab League. How else would you explain provoking an armed combatant in battlefield? Quite sad actually.

As for CLinton I have no objections either. She pretty much espouses the same worldview that inspired Whorey to go to Gaza. If circumstances allow, allahu wakbar.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:57 | 4966348 bunnyswanson
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=680935605323935

 

Hopefully, you can see this short clip of young man standing up for the Palestinians.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:17 | 4965963 dexter_morgan
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When nations or groups are at war, how can you really tell who the terrorists are?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:23 | 4965990 disabledvet
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Because one side wins and the other loses...and the loser side are called "terrorists."

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:39 | 4966242 Duffy Duck
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smartest thing you've ever written here, from what I've seen over the past 8/9 months....

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 05:09 | 4966396 Urban Redneck
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Wars are the privilege of Nation States. For everyone less sovereign... there's terrorism and police actions.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 05:55 | 4966412 Ghordius
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UR, how long until this privilege is possibly lost? note the proliferation of mercenary outfits. there is the possibility that the next set of wars will be done by megacorp interests directly, without the "fig leaf" of a couple of national soldiers covering the action of corporate dogs of war

the whole thing has precedents, from the British East India Company to the Dutch East India Company to Cecil Rhodes's to many others

now, my question is... would that be preferrable? how? and I'm not even touching the little matter of the Geneva Convention

the last annexation. Crimea. unmarked "combatants", without national badges. GWB gave us the "enemy combatant" status

the sovereign is dead, long live the sovereign? oligarchs don't mind. note how a few Ukrainian ones have set up their own armies, recruited out of their employees. perhaps this neologism of "neo-serf" will be complete when working for oligarchs entails being drafted by oligarchs?

yes, I am making a statement against anarchy. I do maintain that anarchy breeds warlords, based on historic evidence. and what is a warlord? oligarch + own armed forces. forget the individual. the individual enjoying personal freedom is a product of the.... wait for it... incoming... yes... nation state

wars and police actions are in the public domain. bring it in the private domain... and you'll experience the usual Tragedy of the Commons

violence, privatized, instead of being a monopoly of the state, favours the big, and fucks the small. the very best path to NeoFeudalism

no, I'm not condoning state-sponsored violence and war, like this new episode in the long Israeli Siege of Gaza

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 06:31 | 4966461 Urban Redneck
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I think the fig leaf is a relatively recent invention in an otherwise long and profit driven private history. In Angola, Nigeria, Papua New Guinea, Rhodesia and countless other places the PMC's have waged wars to advance both the bottom line and their sovereign masters' interests without that veil of legitimacy and most people simply looked the other way.

Cheney & Rumsfeld took public outsourcing and the legitimization of private terrorism to new levels, but they appear to be in the process of being one upped by Simon Murray of Glencore or Jardine Lloyd Thompson (for the really ironic historical rinse, repeat maneuver). Insurance Companies using lethal force to reduce claims and the only legal recourse being an actual British Admiralty Court... no thank you.

In terms of timelines- it could be very soon, but I think the locale would be a backwater promising mineral/energy booty as opposed to a geopolitical center of focus.

Chevron has no problem deploying private armies to pursue its interests, but I don't see them going toe-to-toe with the Ukrainian separatists (indirectly backed by Moscow... at least until Moscow codifies the draft PMC law they're working on or the whole Ukraine thing goes hot).

Somalia, Eritrea, Mali, Congo... what sort of ROI would it take for the forthcoming private navies to evolve into private marines? AngloGold and Glencore have the means motive and history, and it wouldn't take much for the failed states in Mail or Congo to extend an invitation/opportunity. If Somalia or Eritrea find more commercially profitable reserves the long running intermittent involvement of big businesses' big guns could easily be stepped up even absent a viable government extending an invitation.

Short answer: yes, not preferable, unfortunately.

Just speculation, as it's always possible that Nation States could get together and do the right thing... or that monkeys could fly out of my butt...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:39 | 4966556 Uncle Remus
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You're actually talking about the definition of words. War is a state of mind.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:46 | 4966568 Urban Redneck
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War is a state of mind for the guys (and civilians) on the front line.

For the string pullers, war is a means to an end.

For (most) everyone else, war is a TV show.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:50 | 4966576 Ghordius
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“War is the father of us all, King of all. Some it makes gods, some it makes men, some it makes slaves, some free.”

Heraclitus of Ephesos

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:01 | 4966606 Uncle Remus
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@ UR - Again, war is a state of mind, or in the case of sheep, lack thereof. For the front line, it's survival, for the oligarchs, it's how business is done.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:18 | 4965967 luckystars
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Everyone talks about the persecution of Jews in Hitlers Germany but nobody asks why he rounded them up.

Hitler served in WWl and was wounded and came back to fight again.

Germany was winning the war, and then.......The Zionists in Switzerland went to England and said "We can deliver American which is young and strong, and when you win you must give us Palestine" Bam! Balfour Agreement.

No historian can actually explain WHY the US went to war with Germany.

Its why Hitler called the Jews traitors.

Then came the crippling treaty of Versailles and Germany unable to keep up the payments, loss of territory to all sides.

The "German Miracle" was that Hitler backed the Mark with German labor, he had no gold and as the US was sinking deeper and deeper into depression he had 100% employment, he cut out the central banks.

He had to be stopped, yet other countries realize the central bank theft and scam.

Very sad people are so ignorant, even with grand educations.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:27 | 4966001 disabledvet
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The. Jews tried...gotta hand to those Third Reich folks...they has that minority's number. They even marched them in front of the Vatican just to remind all of Europe who the real victim of Versailles was gonna be here.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:43 | 4966049 luckystars
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minority owns the federal reserve? ....lol

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:36 | 4966030 JLee2027
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Germany was winning the war, and then.......The Zionists in Switzerland went to England and said "We can deliver American which is young and strong, and when you win you must give us Palestine" Bam! Balfour Agreement.

 

Garbage. First, Germany was never "winning" World War I. And they were losing before America got involved at the end. Our presence just accelerated things.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:42 | 4966046 luckystars
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uhm...why did we get involved in WWl?

Do tell, if you can make a reasonable argument for it.

Im waiting........

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:40 | 4966244 Duffy Duck
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fuckin hell - you are clearly the product of public schools.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:23 | 4966672 Memedada
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Public/private schools - same curriculum. The only real education going on these days are not institutionalized (private or public - what's the difference in a fascist society?) – education (that's not compromised) is peer to peer (like what’s going in a forum like this).

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:28 | 4965988 PrecipiceWatching
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Step One: End US aid to ALL countries.  ALL OF IT. Every penny.

Step Two: Bring all US troops home from sneering, unappreciative, condescending "allies" to work on OUR own country.  Project One- An Israeli style wall (which we paid for), along our entire southern border.

Step Three: Develop, down size and transform to a fast strike oriented military.  You fuck with us , we'll be on YOUR door step within 24 hours.  No more "nation-building", no more world's policeman.  Defend yourselves against the thieving, evil bullies of the world, you abjectly ignorant, history-vacuous, smug Socialist-Pacifists,

 

That said, good luck to the rest of the world, motherfuckers,  as America continues its Communist decline.  You will one day miss its unprecedented benevolence.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:29 | 4966010 McRocket
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I agree COMPLETELY with every point...and have long wanted those exact same things.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:40 | 4966039 luckystars
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We never should have been doing any of that anyway.

We should be minding out our country.

The problem is the people in power want us doing that because they have

a global government planned. Just look around, they pick and choose countries

and say "you are good at this" They chose us for military, its what we are good at.

Look at the big picture, they are globalists, they have no home. They only want to

control every country. Im sorry, we are going to have to wage war inside to get out

of this, if we can.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 06:40 | 4966474 Wahooo
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Couldn't have said it better. Our military is twice as large as it needs to be. The only time a foreign national should see a US soldier is when that soldier is about to kill them. No more military bases, ships in port, etc. And no more shipping arms to any other country, it's not what we should be about.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:37 | 4966032 Duffy Duck
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No one is a bigger critic of Israel's government than me, but Hamas should have accepted the ceasefire.  The pro-Israel crowd isn't all wrong all the time, and Hamas seems to care little about the suffering of its own people. 

They should have taken the ceasefire and appealed to the UN and Arab League for medical supplies, and some sort of peacekeeping force.  But they prefer to watch hundreds of Palestinians, men, women, and children die so they can launch ineffective, but terrorizing rockets at Israeli civilians.

Israel deserves most of the blame, and most of the criticism it gets, but that doesn't mean Hamas is in the right.  Launching rockets at civilians is a war crime, too.

Junk away, but it's tough to see why not accepting the ceasefire [even if they weren't consulted, even if it was, I'm sure, lopsided in its terms] for the sake of the people of Gaza wasn't the right call.  It's not as if the UN or the US will do a fucking thing to stop Israel's onslaught.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:33 | 4966142 Serenity Now
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Other than your last sentence (what Israel onslaught?), this was a good comment.

Hamas (a recognized terrorist organization) doesn't care who gets killed on either side.  They win either way, as long as people blame Israel.

They launch rockets at Israeli citizens EVERY DAY.  Where is the world's condemnation for that?  There is no excuse for the leftist support of Hamas and hatred of Israel.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:27 | 4966306 PhilofOz
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Tell why the IDF should not be a recognized terrorist organization?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 06:29 | 4966458 Serenity Now
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Tell why they should be.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:39 | 4966328 The_Prisoner
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The questions about Hamas being recognised as a terrorist organisation comes down to who does the recognising? The same with Hezbollah. List one terrorist act Hezbollah has commited?

One could argue that since Israel's building of illegal settlements amounting to genocide, and therefore a war crime. And hence all that money Jews around the world donate to the nice-sounding-name Jewish Fund goes to settlement expansion in Israel, one could argue the Jewish fund is a terrorist organisation, and that all people who donate to it are providing material support for terrorism.

Gee...better order some Torahs for Guantanamo.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:49 | 4966166 Atomizer
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Israelis UN security council resembles a mile long rap sheet of violations. That's why I dispise Untied Nations organization. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 05:31 | 4966410 Urban Redneck
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A cease fire is exactly that, there are no terms to a cease fire, until the parties meet and mutually agree to additional terms in order for it to continue.

I can sympathize with being disgusted by Horse-face riding in and trying take credit and hijack the process, but as atrocious as war is- there are certain rules and customs that the conductors of mayhem should abide by.

At a minimum letting the deadline pass and then proposing a counter-offer just lends validity to the claims that the Palestinian leadership isn't ready for prime time.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:52 | 4966073 cornflakesdisease
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Isreal was created to keep the middle east divided and balkanized.  They're doing a very good job.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:28 | 4966131 Serenity Now
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The middle east has been divided and balkanized for thousands of years.  The creation of Israel in 1948 didn't cause that.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:26 | 4968187 conscious being
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Have you ever heard of a little thing called THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE??

Fools like you are why ZH needs captcha back.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 00:54 | 4966074 luckystars
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TIME FOR THE FINAL SOLUTION

 

End the FED

Congress controls the money printing

Term limets: One and done

Disband SCOTUS

End political parties

US Gov pays for TV time debates

End donations to candidates, everyone gets the same time on air

If you want to pound the streets youself, go for it.

End all foriegn aid

End corporate welfare

End welfare, make it like unemployment (short time)

place heavy tarriffs on foriegn goods

End all immigration

Close the border

 

well, thats my plan

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 06:40 | 4966470 Unstable Condition
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Repeal the 16th and 17th amendments and that sounds like a fucking great plan.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:02 | 4966087 JoJoJo
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There are Jews and there are Jews. Read NY Times favorite Roger Cohen who writes "Israels Bloody Status Quo.THE Jewish dominated MSM is way left and no friend of Israel, favoring Jihadists at least as much as many ZHers. THE BBC writer is the same. What did Britain feel like when those thousands of German V rockets crashed into children?  I feel sorry for civilian Gazans as well as the same in Hiroshima and Dresden but the wars ceased only after pain was inflicted in such masive ways.Some times you just cannot "talk it out."

 

 

 

 

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:37 | 4966238 hot sauce technician
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Antisemitism is pathological. It is irrational. There is no use in cogent argumentation for justifying Israel's right to exist and defend itself with the haters. Ironically some of the most ardent are the "home-bred" I.e. elitist academia, MSM, and bureaucrats (Chomsky, Izabell kirschner etc). They perhaps have the most to lose and uncontrolled chaos, especially for such a "primitive ", "tribal " cause such as Israel, is especially threatening. And the Israeli government is also to blame as it tries to establish its position in the global elitist status quo, albeit futile, as is evident once more in this latest round of fighting. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 06:36 | 4966465 Wahooo
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Why is it in our national interest to support israel?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:34 | 4968247 conscious being
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Hey, hotsauce there is no such thing as antisemetism.  At least not the way you are using it.

The Semites are the Palestinians.  As the israelis are slaughtering the Semites, that makes YOU the antiSemite, which makes you rather irrational doesn' t it?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:07 | 4966276 Atomizer
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That's were your dead wrong. The political ideology is targeted, not the people.

Go sell your shit theory on another site. Progressives ideas are DOA in the United States of America. Live with your failure. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:45 | 4966760 JoJoJo
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Progressves are much less in love with Israel than conservatives.  ABC/Disney/liberal/Jewish radio news plays pro Gaza newscasts ALL DAY!

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:07 | 4966094 royal
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The Israeli kike military is the most cowardly in the world.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:22 | 4966121 Serenity Now
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The IDF is one of the most moral militaries in the world.  How many other nations in the world would use such restraint for decades?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:04 | 4966194 bunnyswanson
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We've all seen the map of the incredibly shrinking Palestinian land.  It is astonishing how holding onto an alibi has been perfected down to a science,  Even suggesting Hamas shot the children to create the situation.  Subtle, discreet psychological word game to gain public support for the aggressor and it's an affront to all of us.   

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:52 | 4966258 Serenity Now
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You're the manipulator.  It was never Palestinian land.  Palestine was never and is not a nation state.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 12:38 | 4968272 conscious being
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Jewish supramascist, racist fool.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:05 | 4966860 hot sauce technician
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It's Palestinian land just like Brazil belongs to the Portugese crown.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:21 | 4966118 Serenity Now
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I believe you should first tell the truth, then give your opinion.  It is unfortunate that so many people in the world aren't interested in truth.

If you don't like the way Israel was founded, then say so.  I can see why people question the wisdom of putting the Jews in the middle east.  But that's the way it went down, and it was internationally accepted.  Israel IS a nation, and those ARE the borders.

The Palestinians (which is a made-up name for a bunch of Arabs who had been rejected by their own nations) were not and have never been a nation state.  Palestine was a British entity, which was dissolved when Israel was founded.  It was fought over, and Israel won.

Leftist love to say that Israel stole the land.  That is a lie.  That land did not belong to another nation.  Like it or not, the UN declared Israel to be a state, and the land to be theirs.  It was fought over and won, and the world agreed via the UN.  (It was the UN's first official act, for those of you who don't know that.)

If you don't like it, that's fine.  But first tell the truth.  The truth is that Israel is a nation state and has every right to defend itself, its people, and its borders.  It has had to do so for decades.

Many Arabs live and work in Israel.  They vote.  They are in the government.  Israel is a Jewish state, but it is not exclusively Jewish by any means.  Israel has no stated goals to rid itself or the Middle East of Arabs.

If you hate Israel for whatever reason, that's fine.  But first tell the truth.  There is a terrorist organization whose stated goal is to kill every Jew that it can.  It kills as many as it can.  Israel has every right to defend itself.  There cannot be peace until this stops.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:33 | 4966318 PhilofOz
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You're the liar! The Palestinians that had their land stolen from them by the Khazar Zionists had all the deeds of title to their landnecessary as part of the Ottoman Empire.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:25 | 4966129 ObamaDepression
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That may be the most biased, one sided interview I've ever heard.

Like Hamas has ever been willing to talk to Israel? They don't recognize their right to exist!

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:38 | 4966147 Radical Marijuana
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Rather than engage again in the perpetual propaganda wars, I merely point out that I stated my views in comments posted under this George Washington article:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-14/israel-v-gaza-big-picture

Israel v. Gaza: The Big Picture

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:39 | 4966151 Serenity Now
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I would love for the Hamas/Gaza supporters and/or the Israel haters to pretend for one moment that this conflict was not in the middle east.

What if Mexico (a failed narco state) was taken over by terrorists from South America who started shooting rockets into California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas?  Their stated goal is to kill as many Americans as possible.  

What would you want the response to be?  To give them their land back?

Please think carefully about your answer.  This scenario is not all that far-fetched.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:51 | 4966170 bunnyswanson
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What is French Canadians wished to create their own country within a country and call it Quebec, and every lived happily ever after because borders were respected?  Changes would occur with votes, and rights to move freely would be honored?  How about that?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:53 | 4966260 Serenity Now
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What if you answered my question first?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:32 | 4966316 The Abstraction...
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What if the Jews of America started telling everyone that the USA has been their Holy Land for 10000 years, and now it is time to wipe out the whites and blacks, using Mexican immigrants as a fighting force? 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 06:35 | 4966463 Serenity Now
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What if you answered my question with an answer?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:40 | 4966724 Memedada
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It’s easy to think of hypothetical scenarios that would look like the Israel/Palestine-conflict. And the answers are the same:

1.    No, there’s no justification to make collective punishments (by the way, a preferred technique used by the Germans in occupied territories during WWII). The rule of law (should) applies – also in times of war. Punishment should follow a sentence/verdict/ruling. Otherwise you give the state the ability to kill, maim and rape with impunity  

2.    No, it’s not a rational, sensible or moral/ethical response to counter hate with hate or violence with violence. The spiral of violence will only be sustained, prolonged and reinforced. The violence and the hate that follows can be used by the powerful – to obscure the real f*cking taking place

3.    No, I would not think that the American nation (or Israeli or any other Western nation – or most other nations) care about their own people (unless they're filthy wealthy and well-connected). These state-structures (army, police, judiciary etc.) are NOT created or continued for the sake of ‘the people’ – but to serve the will of their masters (again: NOT the people). They would kill them and let them be killed if it serves their purpose (more power grapping)

Out.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 01:45 | 4966160 hot sauce technician
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When Hamas deliberately targets women and children it's all good, yet when Israel, after doing everything humanly possible to avoid non combatant casualties, strikes civilians (being used as human shields by Hamas), it gets trashed as a criminal state. What hypocritical journalism. Antisemitic piece of garbage.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:36 | 4966195 Atomizer
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Learn to get along with your neighboring folks since 1967. How about we cut off your US foreign aid? When you can coexist, we can defund your 2016 projections. 

I'm referring to you Jew whore money grubbing parasites. We are done subsidizing you. Were is our taxpayer ROI? Don't fucking tell us it was to protect terrorist attacks. When people attack you, there is a concrete reason. 

Again, Israel serfs...feel sorry that you live under a corrupt government sponsored by the USA Taxpayer and treasonist law makers. 

We aim to fix. Winks..

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:45 | 4966248 Duffy Duck
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I'm referring to you Jew whore money grubbing parasites.

Are you a fuckin' plant, mate?

Cut the shit.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:18 | 4966290 Atomizer
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Are you a special olympic ZH Poster? Surly not. Read below

Not picking on you. You have a lot of great posts in the fight club. My strength is geopolitics, financial secondary. 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:23 | 4966295 Atomizer
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Double post

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Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:34 | 4966550 hot sauce technician
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You're a real troll there... Be my guest... You know what the Israeli defense budget accumulates to for 2014? Circa 20 billion USD. What does Israel get from US? Circa 1 billion in subsidized material (shit like old Army sweatshirts, boots, old m-16s and on an on), all US manufacured, which is would already be an internal US issue. Anyhow, best case scenario (prime minister's office and internal security also throw in some of their alloted budget to defense), we're talking about %5 of the Israeli defense budget. Real crippling if you take that away. In fact Israel does the US a favor by accepting that money because it's then obligated to share tech with the MIC (grumann, lockheed martin etc.) that otherwise would've been very hard to come by. Israel as the highest ratio of engineers per capita in the world. Take any scientific field and you'll see Hebrews prominently positioned. That's of course because the Rothschilds placed them there, right? But I digest.

Besides that, Israel doesn't get a nickel from the US. Civilian aid goes to countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq. An that's many billions more than what the Hebrews get. Do the research.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:29 | 4966691 hot sauce technician
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Yes, that's really germane to the discussion at hand mr. valedectorian. In case you hadn't noticed I was talking about the current US foreign aid situation vis a vis Israel. And guess what? It's virtually non-existent. Take your flamebaiting ass to the next KKK convention.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 10:22 | 4967266 optimator
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Hot Sauce, Israel makes big bucks selling the military technology they get from the U.S. to China.  What did they get for the Lavi, the Patriot System just to name a few?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:40 | 4967707 hot sauce technician
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What the fuck are you talking about? Israel cancelled a 1 billion USD deal with China because Clinton squeezed them out of the deal: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/us-house-to-israelis-no-spy-p...

That was in 2000, when the dollar was worth %50 more. ANd that was Israeli tech, not US. I'll reiterate: Israel is an R&D behemoth. Travel around here - half the people you meet are either engineers, physicists, biologists etc.

In any event, you still have no idea what you're talking about. The Lavi was all Israeli tech. The financing was US, but as it would present a threat to the MIC (f-16 equivalent), the plug was pulled so business would stay in the US. The Patriot is a rubbish missile defense system; that's American tech for you. Sorry. And what's your point? That Israel was sold some batteries? So were Saudi Arabia and Egypt. If anything, talk about the Arrow missile defense system. Now that's a piece of tech, and so is the Iron Dome. Both, yes, US funding, but again Israeli R&D.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:19 | 4966210 JR
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"It should be clear that attempting to conceptually equate the force of the state of Israel, one of the most powerful militaries in the world, with a resistance movement of a captive people trapped by land and sea in an open-air concentration camp on one of the most densely populated strips of land on the planet is a position that is fundamentally immoral."

--Ajamu Baraka, human rights activist

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:55 | 4966264 Serenity Now
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Bullshit.

--Serenity Now, Truth Teller

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:29 | 4966548 BigJim
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Wow, such a refutation.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:48 | 4966776 Memedada
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising

Was that a fair fight also? Did the Garmans/Nazi have the right to terminate the Jews in the ghetto (they fought back = they were terrorists)?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:36 | 4966715 Frostfan1
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Yawn.  Newark or Chicago could be considered open air concentration camps.  More people may died by violence in Chicago last year than Gaza

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:27 | 4966539 BeetleBailey
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One of my clients lives in Jerusalem. She is an honest person. I believe her.

It is amazing to hear her talk, and refute....REFUTE...the "news" coming out of the US.

FUCK all the biased media cunts.

I KNOW A DIFFERENT STORY THAN WHAT IS BEING PORTRAYED IN THE MEDIA...INCLUDING HERE..

 

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:38 | 4966727 hot sauce technician
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Yes, you Tyler. This Mark Regev represents the Israeli man on the street like Obama's press secretary represents the American Joe six pack. Ask any Isreali Joe what's up and he'll tell you that if Hamas stops pulling these Iranian and Chinese maufactured missile firing stunts, along with not fucking kidnapping boys off the street and shooting them in a car and then throwing them in a ditch in the hills, then Israel wouldn't touch an Arab. Simple as that. But Hamas has other interests in mind which you nor this Snow-tard seem to take into account.

"Emmanuel Goldstein!!! Emmanuel Goldstein!!!"

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:01 | 4966188 mariner22
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I won't comment on the morality of Israel retaliating against Hamas for rocket attacks...

But how about we focus on American Drones murdering civilians in Afghanistan - as if they are being used as human shields for the rocket attacks against New York, Los Angeles and Washington DC?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 06:41 | 4966472 Serenity Now
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Why don't you talk about the car bomb that went off in a crowded market yesterday in Afghanistan that killed more than 40 people?  Afghanistanis did that to their own people.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:10 | 4966200 Weyland_Yutani
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Why not interview leaders from Hamas instead?

If Hamas had a bomb that would destroy all the men, women and children in Israel they would have dropped it in an instant without hesitating a second.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:23 | 4966217 kurt
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Yeah, now.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:21 | 4966298 The Abstraction...
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Well there are reasons the West should arm the Palestinians with the neutron bomb.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:38 | 4966231 q99x2
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They don't like Germans either. Ever see a movie where a middle classer of german descent was depicted as a good guy? Hell no. Not in the USA even though that is who put an end to the horrors of WWII.

Ok ok. Schindler's List but that was a couple of good germans with hundreds of bad germans.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 02:35 | 4966234 dondonsurvelo
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Hamas cannot talk to Israel because Hamas does not believe in the existence of Israel.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:20 | 4966293 The Abstraction...
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Israel doen't believe/support the existence of the US-Mexico border either.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:32 | 4966697 Frostfan1
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At least Israel puts soldiers to stop people from illegally entering the country.  We have congressman handing out lollipops to our border breakers.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:56 | 4966817 Memedada
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All borders are arbitrary in the first place…

One planet with humans and other life-forms on it. That’s how I see it.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 03:43 | 4966332 artytom
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Speaking to Hamas isn't going to do anyone any good. They are either incredibly stupid or working for Israel. Working for Israel is the more likely.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:09 | 4966878 hot sauce technician
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That's akin to saying that Mexican druglords work for the tea party. Logic has abandoned you I'm afraid.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 05:52 | 4966414 NuYawkFrankie
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re Israel DENIES Targetting Children...

 

Of couse "Israel" would deny it, since:

"Ye are of your father the devil... he was a murderer from the beginning... he is a liar and the father of lies...."  - John 8:44

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 06:00 | 4966434 bunnyswanson
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Mossad: " by way of deception thou shalt do war"

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:47 | 4966569 Uncle Remus
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Fuck Zionism and all that that entails/implies.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:19 | 4967524 hot sauce technician
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Why? You prefer suicide bombing, allahu wakbarring Hamas?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:29 | 4967616 Cathartes Aura
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the "morning" shift Hasbara has logged in for

work.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:54 | 4966585 cpnscarlet
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Why is ZH becomming such a bastion of HAMAS-lovers? HAMAS, Al Q, ISIS, Islam in gneral is home to a whole class of phony religious oligarchs who will do anything to manipulate people and enslave them "for the glory of Allah". And the Paestinians, regardless of who is "in charge" there, are following the same MO that has persisted throughout my lifetime - hit Israel, let Israel retaliate, find some MSM shill to bash Israeli "over reaction", get more shills to "broker a peace", relaod during that "peace", then repeat-rinse-repeat....

Why are so many people willing to give HAMAS a pass and blame Israel for everything? Sign of the (end) times I say.

Also, I smell troll shit.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 10:15 | 4967224 optimator
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Why?  Perhaps freedom of speech on the internet is to blame?  I didn't know the Tribe was keeping score here.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:22 | 4967551 hot sauce technician
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ZH is the voice of reason when it comes to economics and finance. That's why it's disturbing that when Israel comes up for discussion neo nazis have such a strong presence here.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:55 | 4966586 jpc578
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That News 4 reporter is a tool. If he can't distinguish between unfortunate circumstances that occur when one side engages in self-defense and the intentional murdering of innocent people, than he should be taken off the air.

Hamas is dedicated to the total destruction of Israel and the annihilation of all Jews. Hamas is dedicated to "educating" Palestinian children starting from an age younger than five in the ways of jihad and martyrdom to achieve this cause. How is it possible for Israel to “talk” to Hamas?

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 07:57 | 4966595 RevRex
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Fuck the BBC and every other Israel hating pro Islamic asshat out there. You stupid cocksuckers expect Israel to do nothing when Islamic  terrorists attack. Israel wants peace, Islamist Arab assholes don't. Get it through you thick skulls, idiots.

 

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:02 | 4966611 Frostfan1
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Here's your new scoreboard jew and zionist haters.  Twice as many ZH readers read drought, Russia and immigration stories compared to this one.  Go to those stories and you have comments with nearly 200 green arrows and no one get close to that here.

You are losing the battle and the war.  The Israel/Palestine story has less passion than ever.  Israel is winning.  Record tourism, booming technology, new energy fields.  Egpyt is now buying gas from the Israelis not the other way around.  Turkey is next to deal with Israel. 

Israel has better standing in the world now than I ever recall.  No boycott talk, EU justifying Israel's actions while still catering to their Muslim minorities by asking to be more proportionate.

 

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 08:08 | 4966618 IndianaJohn
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But the Israeli mouthpiece looks like a common white. I just don't see any Semite in him. Is he a hireling?

Anyway, about that evil welfare queen; http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:01 | 4966849 RabbitOne
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It is too hard to deal with both of these fanatics so I see solution that combines many current policies together. Using Obama’s open immigration policy we will move all of Gaza/Hamas to the Maryland/ D.C. border at $6000 per person per month. This frees Gaza for a much needed Israel expansion. Then when Obama can’t control Hamas demands, Hamas will shoot their rockets at our dome and the white house. This way we all win…

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:08 | 4966874 basho
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maybe the answer is targeting palestinian mothers.

"A well-known Israeli politician and parliament member has branded  Palestinians as terrorists, saying mothers of all Palestinians should also be killed during the ongoing Israeli assault on the besieged Gaza Strip. "

 

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-pal...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:08 | 4966876 basho
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maybe the answer is targeting palestinian mothers.

"A well-known Israeli politician and parliament member has branded  Palestinians as terrorists, saying mothers of all Palestinians should also be killed during the ongoing Israeli assault on the besieged Gaza Strip. "

 

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-pal...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:10 | 4966893 basho
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A well-known Israeli politician and parliament member has branded  Palestinians as terrorists, saying mothers of all Palestinians should also be killed during the ongoing Israeli assault on the besieged Gaza Strip.

 

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-pal...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 09:48 | 4967073 Cacete de Ouro
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Here's the Channel 4 link to the Jon Snow interview with the Israeli propagandist.

Tylers, the video embedded in the ZH link above does not appear to be loading on this ZH page right now.

http://www.channel4.com/news/the-israeli-military-does-not-target-civili...

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 10:15 | 4967218 mastersnark
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I see Israel has adopted the US' "military age male" basis for killing.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 10:15 | 4967219 mastersnark
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I see Israel has adopted the US' "military age male" basis for killing.

Thu, 07/17/2014 - 11:14 | 4967490 capit-al
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It's a soap opera brought to you by the CIA.  Better casting than Sandy Hook but they still think we're idiots.  Jews are white, rockets get past the border somehow.  The masses are controlled by emotion, that's why they target kids.

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