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Ukraine Releases YouTube Clip "Proving" Rebels Shot Down Malaysian Flight MH-17
Almost exactly one year ago, the world was nearly brought to the verge of a global war by proxy involving the US and Russia (and Europe and China) over a staged, false flag YouTube clip "proving" the Assad regime had used toxic gas (gas that was made in Britain as it was later revealed) to kill several hundred civilians in the country's ongoing war against what subsequently turned out to be al-Qaeda funded and trained rebels (and which now are fighting across the border with another former US-puppet state, Iraq). Luckily, back then an all out confrontation was averted in the last minute over what was ultimately nothing but a gambit by Qatar to have its gas pipeline enter Europe and leave Gazprom in the cold (literally and metaphorically).
A year later, it is deja vu all over again, when the same energy and geopolitical tensions (Europe, natural gas, etc) are once again at the frontline, and while the theater of combat may be different, the same key players - Russia and the US - are once again behind the proxy conflict in Ukraine, and where Gazprom is once again the fulcrum party. The only missing link was a YouTube clip which would bring the world to the edge of war again.
Moments ago Ukraine released what may be just that missing "YouTube" link, when it unveiled a 2:23 minute video supposedly proving that "militants of "Bes" group shot down with a Russian anti-aircraft missile a Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 passenger jet heading from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur."
In the clip, Ukraine presents what it alleges are several recorded conversations, first of all between a pro-Russian separatist and his coordinator Vasyl Geranin, who is said to be a colonel of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces. In summary, this conversation talks about the downing of a jet. There is no distinction whether this is a civilian or a military jet, and may well refer to the shot down Ukrainian Su-25 which we reported earlier today was shot down overnight, and which Ukraine at first claimed had been shot down by a Russian warplane, something which Russia promptly denied hours later (and before the Malaysian Airline tragedy happened).
The purported smoking gun is "revealed" in the second section which begins 43 seconds and lasting one minute in between a "Major" and "Grek" who are also allegedly Russian rebels. It is here that the conversation goes into explicit detail describing the contents of the downed airplane, and makes it clear that it is a civilian airplane, describing the civilian carnage, and stopping just why of naming this a Malaysian Airlines flight.
This is the key segment as it explicitly makes it clear that the plane the alleged separatists in the first part were talking about was not the Su-25 but MH 17. The only problem is that there is absolutely no way to confirm who "Major" and "Grek" are, and considering the entire Ukraine civil war has been merely one provocation and counter-provocation after another, explicitly staged in advance by either the CIA on the side of Kiev or the Kremlin on the Russian side, one does have to wonder whether the said two "smoking gun" participants aren't merely two random people speaking Russian and reading off a script?
The clip concludes with another unnamed "Militant" who supposedly is speaking to Mykola Kozitsyn, one of the purported leaders of the Cossacks operating in east Ukraine. The Militant makes it clear to Kozitsyn that it is not a military plane and has "Malaysian Airlines" written on the side. One wonders just where one could find such writing on the side of the crashed and exploded fuselage but that one is for the forensics to decide.
In other words, if indeed all the participants in this YouTube are as they have been presented, then surely this does put the pro-Russian rebel movement in a very unsavory light.
And yet, something here smells very fishy...
First, the Russian version of the clip which was released in parallel, and shown below, there is a major discrepancy in the time stamp, with the English-dubbed version showing the conversation between Major and Grek taking place at 5:11 pm and 5:32 pm, while the original one has it at 4:33 pm, 5:14 pm and 5:32 pm.
Then there is what gmorder has revealed is either a clearly erroneous creation timestamp, or the video was actually uploaded yesterday.
Finally, we clearly have no way of authenticating the recording or the participants, it was just over a month ago, on June 5, when in another attempt to cast blame and discredit the separatists, Ukraine released another trademark YouTube clip seeking to disparage and frame Kozitsyn, titled "Russian Cossack Formations are Responsible For Chaos In Ukraine."
It was released in Ukraine Investigation where the author writes as follows:
Here’s a transcription of the video where one of the Cossack atamans, Kozitsyn Mykola Ivanovych, discredits himself and gives orders to kill people, promises to transfer weapons and supplies on the territory of Ukraine from Russia and mentions that there are people standing above him. From this point goes the video transcription.
The video from June 5 is shown below.
What is quite striking is that the production quality is identical between the two clips, in everything from the design, to the scene and caption selection to the layout of the dubbing. All done very professionally. The only thing missing in the original clip is that translation which was conveniently added to today's alleged framing of the same Russian forces - after all it is for global consumption - and the very same "cossack" Kozitsyn. A cossack who, the Ukraine defense ministry would want the world to believe, was so stupid he not only knew he was being recorded (as proven explicitly by the pre-existing June 5 recording release, proving every conversation of his was captured "on tape", something he himself most certainly would be aware of), but would also speak unencrypted and on the record - just like Victoria Nuland did back in February when her leaked recording showed it was the US that was the mastermind behind the Ukraine unrest in the first place - going into gruesome detail of just what kind of plane it is that his men had taken down.
Was he really that stupid? Or is this merely yet another false flag provocation from the same "masterminds" that tried to launch another world war to benefit a few billionaire Qatari emirs with nothing but a YouTube clip in the summer of 2013?
Somehow we doubt we will ever know the true answer, but that is largely irrelevant: the opinion of the world as to who is at fault here is most certainly very much made up by now anyway, and if it isn't, the "unbiased" media will certainly help, even it has nothing but repetitive soundbites and speculation presented as fact, in the coming days.
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Cui Bono?
Ukraine and its ZATO henchmen.
The Ukraine just stationed Buk anti-aircraft systems in Eastern Ukraine...
http://rt.com/news/173636-buk-malaysian-plane-crash/
Don't think that the timing of the Gaza invasion is a coincidence either...
May I be as bold as to make a guess?
The Israelis will find Iranian M-302 missiles inside of Gaza
That was why they staged the interception incident in Sudan back in March. The weapons were to be allegedly smuggled into Gaza through tunnels even thought they weigh a ton are over 20 feet long and the Egyptian government hates Hamas and has closed the border for quite some time BEFORE this shipment. Lunacy.
What are the chances these suckers could be smuggled across Egypt undetected?
http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.578913.1403916227!/image/2323853301.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/2323853301.jpg
Now they just have to cut one or two up place them inside an army truck and move them into Gaza where they can be discovered...
Hold on to your hats... It's NeoCon WARTIME SHOWTIME ladies and gentlemen...
If the rebels has that surface to air missile capabilty do you truly think the Ukraine Armed Forces would be flying any aircraft in the vicinity?
If the rebels were known to have a high altitude AA capabilty would any commercial airliner overfly Ukraine at any altitude?
@sushi
Thats why the news in MSM alleges there's NEW kind of weapons from RUS. Thats why the DC demand the RUS stops sending out any new weapons to the resistance. Thats the kind of narrative that I see in the MSM.
Yeah the tribes sacrificed the MH17 to frame the RUS! Malaysia was picked up for the obvious reasons as stated by some here.
The only thing that stinks is this website and its attempt to absolve Putin of his complicity in mass murder!
You cannot rule out Russian missile fire, but they have the least to benefit.
Hmmm.. A 2:23 minute video where the evidence begins at 43 seconds. How telling.
2:23 = 7
43 secs = 7
So there you go.....7 and 7
Christine Lagarde is a useful slave. I wonder how they blackmailed you Christine of the l'orange complexion? You, who said with glee that you 'do as I'm told'.
Good Slave, all you want is some praise at this stage
So within hours the Ukrainians have crystal clear militant face palm audio...case closed?
I think it's strange that this airliner was flight 17, shot down on the 17th. Just sayen.
MH17 shot down on 17th July 2014
July 2014 = 7, (2+0+1+4=7) = 77 = 7/7
Plane Reg Number 9M-MRD. (MuRDer)
MH17 had it's first flight on 17th July 1997 and was exactly 17 years old today. See http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28411,9M-MRD-Mal...
Also, TWA800 flight shot down near New York on 17th July 1996
295 passengers = (2+9)+5 = 11+5 = 2+5 = 7
Alternatively 2+(9+5) = 2+(14) = 2+(1+4)= 7
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On the 17th anniversary of entering service, as another poster has noted. Cabbalists are deep into numerology.
On the 17th anniversary of entering service, as another poster has noted. Cabbalists are deep into numerology.
BLACKWATER.
If the Russians were not involved they would have ordered Strelkov to allow international investigators access to the scene.
Those fake twitter screencaps are a favorite tool of the rival Syrian rebel factions..."Oops, Aloha Snackbar, was that your car bomb ?"
The rebels are offering a short term cease fire to allow for recovery work.
http://www.ibtimes.com/separatists-ukraine-willing-have-short-cease-fire...
How convenient a video, of course made in advance, just like BBC announcing the collapse of WTC7 before it fell. Stinks of elite FALSE FLAG. I hope Putin calls out the truth on this.
Meanwhile... IDF tanks are rolling into Gaza.
That could be the game plan. Distract the world with this while we do that. Could that be the missing Malaysian airliner?
MH370 A BLACKWATER DRYRUN?
Or necessary for the MH17 to have enough spare parts plus another black box?
Malaysia strongly condemed Israeli aggression in Gaza hours before the plane blew up. They also have a fund drive going to the Palestinians.
"Anifah also said that the Palestine Humanitarian Trust Fund established in 2002 under the purview of Wisma Putra was ready to receive financial donations from the public.
He said the accumulated donation would be channelled to the Palestinian people via the relevant international bodies to help ease their suffering."
http://www.malaysiandigest.com/news/509552-malaysia-strongly-condemns-is...
When is Malaysia going to start shooting down El Al aircraft?
Actually I believe the Gaza action is meant to serve as a distraction from the Ukraine. Gaza won't turn into a global nuclear war, and has no potential to paint Russia as a demon in the MSM. it's just more Israel being the genocidal shits they are.
Ukraine on the other hand... the NWO-US-Zionist Satanist plan is to goad Russia into a massed armor invasion, much the same as in Georgia. Then a city the Russians have not yet taken would be nuked, and the Satanists will claim Russia nuked a city. The TV-sucklers of the world would believe it, and game over for any chance of overthrowing the NWO satanists.
My guess as to which city, would be Kiev. The Zionists just hate places like that. All those white Christian goyim, ugh!
Someone, first with MH-370 and now this one, is shorting Malaysian Airlines stock, a la "Le Chiffre"...
With no bona fide growth opportunities around, you need some creativity...or desperation.
I am sure that the SEC will be able to decifer the data to find any wrongdoing.....
Well I am sure that the NSA will be able to decifer the data to find any wrongdoing.....
OK anyone with a spare PC out there that wants to do analysis???
Sorry, the hard drive has been damaged.
And we don't have the serial number. Also the dog ate it.
I like it!
"Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."
Our words are of no consequence "there." (Or of anywhere now in my view.). This is the opening of Pandora's Box. All the folks who started all this...let alone who stood by and interfered with any of it...will be dead long after those who are tasked with finishing these matters in fact do so.
Forget ignorance of history...this is ignorance of the Nature of the Self and how humans "project others in fact doing these things" and cannot...nor indeed will not...EVER...see "their hand."
The standard for Historians is twenty years...a single generation...in order to begin to peer into the "mystery" of the obviousness of reality...and the purposeful facts that have rise to "the event."
Strange to see so many simply incapable of realizing the implications of their "automated nature."
What? No "talking point" will suffice anymore?
My God...how will we ever survive!
ZH can mock all it wants but the rebels triumphantly claimed they shot down a military plane today, then promptly deleted it. Reported by Fox.
Also, CNBC reports rebels Tweeted their "victory"
Of course the writers at ZH can write what they want but I'll take the word of the rebels themselves.
It is easy enough to hack a twitter account and post false information see the White House hacked account tweets and the algos gone wild incident for proof of that.
Also see Washington's Blog for the story on GCHQ bragging about having exactly that ability, among many others. It was on ZH just the other day.
1) It wasn't his twitter account. It was an alleged screengrab of a post he made on his VK.com (Russian social network) website: link here.
2) A quick scan of all his posts there shows he has constantly argued it was Ukraine which took down the plane.
16 weeks 1 day 'sup with all the new members?
I was a 4+ year member but it suddenly "dissappeared" one day when I questioned why ZH was so Pro-Russian.
When I first joined you had to prove you could do some math before becoming a member. No so when I created my new log in.
A quick scan would not show the posts Fox News showed he deleted.
A twitter account is someone's word? Was he there? Was he posting? Did his account get hacked? Was he talking about a civilian airliner?
Go ahead and confirm that stuff for us.
CIA...scramblin again!
put nothin pass these CRIMINALS!
Call fucking NSA, l I hear they record everything, even penis pics.
The recording/ files got corrupted and automaticaly deleted . Like the ones at the IRS.
Another prayer...
Let's hope this air-traffic contoller from Spain stays alive long enough to appear before the Hague to tell his side of the story!
What he has to say is very interesting:
http://www.eturbonews.com/48079/ukraine-air-traffic-controller-suggests-...
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So flight M17 was under escort by two fighter jets until 3 mins before shoot down??? Why was the radar track information confiscated? Did it reveal the fighters turning away from M17? And then turning back toward it in order to fire a missile?
So flight M17 was under escort by two fighter jets until 3 mins before shoot down??? Why was the radar track information confiscated? Did it reveal the fighters turning away from M17? And then turning back toward it in order to fire a missile?
Great observation sush'
If the link is correct it would be very wierd that a commercial airline would allow two fighter jets to escort, by its own choice.
Why not adjust flight and get the hell out of there, not turn more into harms way.
Why not adjust flight and get the hell out of there, not turn more into harms way.
Are you suggesting that they were capable of two-way communication with the interceptors? This is of course that the interceptors in question had no harmful intentions.
If not. How the hell does a passenger plane bug out with two jets that go in excess of Mach 2???...
Yep, I know nothing about airplanes or commercial or military flight procedures, but this thing seems weird in so many ways.
I am not suggesting anything, just trying to think it through.
Previously to this, I thought they were talking about SAM not an air to air missile. So I was thinking of the fighters as a warning of the region that the plane was entering, not that the plane could outrun a fighter jet.
Could some figures be given about the number of flights passing over this area in the last 3 months?
I think it is too much of a coincidence that is a MH Flight.
The last time the Malaysian Govt could not speak about it. No conclusion yet.
I think they will forced to keeping quiet on this one. Wonder what the blackmail is.
There is no blackmail, they are just in on it. Who do you actually expect to speak out ?
Certain people actually have to prove that they were blackmailed or coerced...just saying.
LOL .
Between Malaysia & the US there has been only a hate hate relationship. Starting from the time Soros creatd the Asian Financial crisis.
Problem is NSA has the dope on all Malaysian politicians nest eggs in their respective accounts. So their mouths are shut
I would even doubt that...maybe it is a complete 100 percent ideological daccord with the Great Okenyan.
speaking of time long gone ...
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..." As Rob Kirby of Market Oracle wrote in 2008,
In the energy area [crude] – J.P. Morgan was 'granted' the rights to, effectively, set up the Central Bank of Iraq in Dec. 2003:
J.P. Morgan Chase was chosen by the Coalition Provisional Authority [CPA] to 'set up' the NEW Central Bank of Iraq [specifically, the Trade Bank of Iraq ]. Take note how this TRADE BANK only became operational in December of 2003:
• Trade Finance. The Trade Bank of Iraq (TBI) was established in July 2003 to facilitate trade of goods and services to and from Iraq by providing irrevocable letters of credit. The TBI officially became fully operational in December 2003 and has a services contract with a multi-international banking consortium led by JP Morgan Chase. Since opening in December , the Trade Bank of Iraq has issued or has pending 183 letters of credit, totaling $708.9 million in imports from thirty-one countries. Letters of credit have been issued on behalf of Iraqi Ministries as well as several state-owned enterprises.
In that capacity, Morgan was charged with developing the framework of collateralizing movable and immovable property for the nation of Iraq.
The fact is that one of the largest derivatives facilitators in the world is one the principal architects of the Trade Bank of Iraq, plus it is also well-known that J.P. Morgan has a direct connection[3] to the Rothschild banking dynasty;[4] a trend that is to be seen in virtually every central and major bank in existence across the planet." ....
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/09/state-owned-central-banks-are-real.html
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The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.
Lord Acton
The only thing you need to know until the outbreak of WW 3 is will this be blamed on the rebels or on Russia directly. That's why the official story will remain moribund and flipflop between those poles...until the next distraction arrives.
If you follow the links back it traces to these people
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRxyjhmvBewJIRb2yku5EuQ/about
http://www.ssu.gov.ua/sbu/control/uk/index
in english
http://www.ssu.gov.ua/sbu/control/en/index
If nothing else they are more open and transparent in their actions if you read and by the look of these videos you could draw the same conclusion.
This entire situation is making it painfully obvious, to those that are not a brainwashed robot, that this is a false flag event to achieve two significant goals:
1) To justify global demonization of Russia and to make it a global enemy similar to hitler; and justification of potent and serious sanctions (or worse) that would actually hurt Russia. And this is done as punishment to Russia for standing up to the Zionist-Anglo World Order.
2) To disuade European states away from Russia who are or may align with them if push comes to shove in the conflict between the two sides.
Sick people, sick world.
Question:
Didn't Malaysian Airlines just "lose" a 777 a couple months ago? I wouldn't suppose that had anything to do with this would it??? Was this a triple 7?
If it was a 777, that would be extremely and profoundly bad luck wouldn't it...
I believe it is a 777, look at the flight number for the first one, MH Three 7 0... Don't fly on 777s. :-D
Is the Boeing 777-2H6(ER) 28416/155 still stored at TLV?
»www.planespotters.net/Production···esis-php
»www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Vie···04.10.13
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What happened to this plane is fully detailed within hours, what happened to MH 370 to this day, they still don't know.
False flag much...or something along the lines.
It's almost like it's the same goddamn plane or something. I wonder if all the passengers were frozen solid like icicles. That would be more interesting.
A few parts in this wreckage with serial numbers intact could easily prove or disprove that one.
Right, these "trusted" officials will tell the "truth"...
Just when I thought that the number of ZH conspiracy theorists couldn't grow any larger...
In the ZH conspiracy commenter world, everyone is an evil mastermind hell bent on manipulating the entire world to make a killin off the stawk market and to suppress the price of gold to zero.
You guys ever hear of abject stupidity as the root cause of an accident???
The CIA lives off slobs live you
The CIA is slobs like him!
Damn...now I'm going to have to go watch "Spies Like Us"...
Upside...Donna Dixon
shhh. Don't break his fantasy world view. He still believes in the Easter bunny, Santa Claus, and that noise coming from his parents room is mum and dad "playing together".
Delicate, little, innocent flower. Poor little guy.
Bob the knob slobberer, your mom called and said its past your bed time. Turn off cnn and go to bed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFieSQHmQT0
I think the odds of it being sheer stupidity(not the same as the usual political security state stupidity) are low. If you are not aware of the history of nations doing dasterdly deeds for chicken feed gains you are not aware of history. Who wouldn't put it past the CIA doing this? A sad fact for those of us awake to WTF is going on. What the hell are we doing over there in the first place? The US is our home, not Europe. Let them sort it out.
Nice of the Security Service of Ukraine to set the record straight. Normally when civilians die in eastern ukraine they don't mention it.
Zombie Plane Theory
Very fishy! Very stinky!
I'd say anything that is coming out of the Ukie/CIA/Nazi camp cannot be trusted.
when is it ever NOT a false flag? And where can I get one?
Ukraine air traffic controller suggests Kiev military shot down passenger planeJul 17, 2014
ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.
This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.
The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.
Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.
Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar.
Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region.
Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko.
http://www.eturbonews.com/48079/ukraine-air-traffic-controller-suggests-...
Twitter account: https://twitter.com/spainbuca
kick ass post! this stuff is CRITICAL to capture and SHARE widley before it gets scrubbed! THANK YOU!
Great post!
Is the Boeing 777-2H6(ER) 28416/155 still stored at TLV?
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»www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Vie···04.10.13
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Party In The CIA (Parody of "Party In The U.S.A." by Mile...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-CG5w4YwOI (2:57)
My father, who was an army captain, used to say that the first casualty in war is always the truth.
This page alone on Zero Hedge is blocked by Symantec.cloud
Interesting...
Crazy that TWA 800 went down on July 17th 1996...that flight was definitely not shot down either.
I was curious so I noticed something else a little strange. If you look at the bottom of the page you can review every flight for each day of Malaysian Airlines leaving out of Amsterdam.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140717/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK
It seems this flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur is a daily flight. I went back and looked at the flight path of every flight from today all the way back until July 4th. It seems they have a very standard pre-programmed plan for this flight. In every flight I looked at just as they are entering the center of Ukraine the plane heads south and crosses over the Sea of Asov typically some 50 miles SOUTH of Mariupol. Each flight with out fail did this aside from one that veers even further south and actually goes directly over the Crimean Peninsula.
Of the 15 flights I looked not a single flight has not entered Russia over the Sea of Azov..aside from one..that was today's downed flight which is the only anomaly and for some reason continued straight over Donetsk which is some 100 MILES NORTH of where all the previous flights pathes.
rocking good observastion man! thanks for sharing that here!
Probably dodging weather.
Great spot!
Canuk CBC report the flight was rerouted by ATC because of thunderstorms.
200 fucking kilometers over an active war zone???????????
http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/07/17/wolf-malays...
Since this area has been under a state of war for sometime, I think it is very likely that any nation state with the capability and skin in the game, has been watching this part of Ukraine very closely.
I do believe that what happened to MH17 has been recorded in real time by the USA, China, and Russia all whom have the satellite capabilty and the interest to have been watching.
The truth on this will come out this time.
Or nothing will come out and something else has to be blown up to keep everyone stupified.
does the Malaysian airline have freakin'
insurance with aig? consider it like a
jeopardy question.
Who is Hank Greenberg, Alex ???
Wonder why they never went as far as forging communication with groundcontrol in MH370, perhaps they will do it this time.
And maybe Nikolay Kozitsin’s words hold some truth: “They shouldn’t be f…cking flying. There is a war going on“.
FROM: SBU intercepts phone conversations of separatists admitting downing a civilian plane (FULL TRANSCRIPT; VIDEO) http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/separatists-admit-downing-a-civilian-plane-in-tapped-conversation-full-transcript-356545.htmlit der russians putnik is guilty.
i saw der peasants findin putnis passport in der burnin plane got it out befores it could gets burned.
lucky lee a israli jew solders was dere keepin der peace and he protacted putins passports for evadences.
putins shoulds be kicked out of der g8 for diss and worsts
all one has to do is consider a few plain common sense questions and apply a small amount of critical thinking to see this for what it really is. a blatant, obvious and all to unimaginative false flag.
1. what airline would authorize a flight over what amounts to a war zone, especially one where aircraft are being shot down on a daily basis when a simple adjustment in the flight plan would have avoided this?
2. what do the rebels or Moscow have to gain from shooting down a civilian aircraft, especially one from Malaysia of all places?
3. isn't it amazing (suspicious) how quickly all the "evidence" needed to suggest a Moscow, pro Russian separatist conspiracy is just falling into place like clockwork? kind of like 9/11 when they found those terrorist passports in pristine condition near ground zero.
4. why would a colonel in Russian military intelligence be so careless as to have a conversation with somebody about shooting down aircraft in a manner where it could be recorded and later posted on you tube? as we have seen only politicians are that stupid.
5. does anybody else find the timing of this incident odd and perhaps even more than a little suspect? Russia was after all on the verge of launching airstrikes against Ukrainian military positions in the eastern part of the country, not to mention Kiev's CIA guided military campaign was starting to flop after all of it's recent over-hyped success.
6.so what did happen to that "other" Malaysian airlines 777 anyways? you know the one they lost 4 months ago, was headline news for about two weeks then suddenly vanished down the memory hole. it's almost as if the just stopped looking for it...
7.would these recordings hold up as "proof" in a court of law during a trail? of course not, there is no other supporting evidence any public defender could simply point out that anybody, anywhere could have forged these alleged conversations and posted them on you tube. hell give me thirty minutes and I'll have a conversation between Obama and Satan himself posted. just like Assad and the chemical weapons attack, you know it's more then likely complete propaganda bullshit when they start running out the you tube videos.
it's really simple here folks who stands to gain and who stands to lose from burning a civilian airliner? who has the motive and the means to commit this act? Russia and the eastern separatists gain nothing from this and stand to lose a great deal in the way of public perception and moral high-ground in this conflict, is anybody really stupid enough to believe they would risk that, risk there entire cause to shoot down one civilian aircraft?
I may have fallen of a turnip truck.
I just didn't fall of it yesterday.
Nice summary. Not to mention that Ukraine just recently moved Buk rocket launchers into east Ukraine, to fight rebels who have no aircraft.
All that's missing are the dancing Jews....
False flag bitchez....
Totally off topic, but I don't see a thread on ZH about it yet: Australia has abolished its carbon tax.
http://phys.org/news/2014-07-australia-abolishes-divisive-carbon-tax.html
The global warming cult is dying a long, slow death.
Good.
The global warming con was a serious attempt of overriding the ingroup outgroup morality that is the main obstacle to a world government.
Guess they'll have to come up with another universal threat.
No all wrong.
We're getting instead a $2.5B Direct Action Plan.
1. Thats alot of dosh for little Oz.
2. Its can get paid to mates
3. Its fkg impossible to cost and monitor and control
4. Clinton Foundation has already spent it.
Another little black budget hole - Abbott has come up with a couple this budget.
We're screwed both parties sell us out on an "emotional ideological" theater game.
Events today distract from the B20 announcements that will be wonderful for the cabal...all nicely hidden behind the flight crisis and ASIO running around saying its new snooping laws are justified cause there may have been an Aussie suicide bomber in some place far far away..
Flakzuki should be breaking out her flagella for an extra painful session
On topic now. A Spanish air traffic controller working in Kiev reports that the Kiev military shot down the plane, based on his personal contacts with the Kiev military:
http://www.eturbonews.com/48079/ukraine-air-traffic-controller-suggests-...
The only thing missing here was to have the BBC report the shoot down 7 minutes early
Just another proof who pays ZH bills
The world will be so happy to know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU9-aSGgj7pVXFEnd-iFzVdA&v=xbNFZaBAC34
Miami will be so happy to know they can call off the flooding now.
http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2014/07/miami-great-world-city-is-drowni...
Throw in some actor they say is Osama and you have a gold clip here.
Amazes me there are actually people who see this type of bullshit and believe it. Probably the same people behind this bullshit clip were the people behind all those fake Osama Bin Laden clips over the years.
The sheeple really are pathetic.
In case you didn't notice, today was one of the days out of the past 4 or so years that I have been reading Zero Hedge that I couldn't access the website.
Too much traffic or the government attempting to fight back I don't know?
But one thing I do know, ZH broke today's airline story well before the other so called "media outlets".
This to me is a new dawn in internet reporting. The relevance of the main stream media is quickly diminishing.
And the power the government has over this new media should make those in "power" very concerned as it is Zero.
Is anyone disputing the fact that the aircraft wasn't blown up?
What do you say to those people who say the moon doesn't exist?
The same thing you would say to 911 believers.
The FACTS prove you wrong so find something else to believe in.
I am certain there is no factual recording of this incident on Q99X2 either.
This is the old missing plane that has been in a hanger somewhere with the old passengers on it.
I saw a police shooting by my house, the cops let the guy bleed out for over an hour. They then
rushed to close off several streets for hours, they are in control of the crime scene and make the
evidence match.
Thats whats going on. How do you get rid of that plane, you shoot it down over an area you control.
Street Fighting Men.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oqcG1Ws5FE
What great timing for the IDF as they shift their genocide of the Palestinian people into high gear within the Gaza Extermination Camp.
Fiddlesticks.
One fact that all the USA false flag goons keep neglecting to mention is that the only weapon that can shoot down a plane at 33,000 ft is a heavy one, mounted to a truck that require a team of trained personnel to operate. It also has a battery in the missile for the gyro and guide CPU that only lasts for a few minutes, same goes for sensor coolant. That tells me that this wasn't some old soviet weapon thats been dusted off by "rebels". This was definitely not some shoulder-fired job and it was not some US operation where we snuck it into the Russian border- that would be impossible. This was a russian weapon, recently maintained and government supported. It was operated by either Russia or the Ukraine and there is a General in charge of these batteries that knows exactly which unit fired it.
Fiddlesticks.
Balderdash!
Let's you and I cut straight to "BULLSHIT" and end this here and now. Eat a peach for me!
This is real, I have confirmed for myself. Ripped the video straight off of youtube with youtube-dl, scanned the metadata with MediaInfo. Screenshot below.
http://i.imgur.com/Rtptix8.png
This was created a full 20 hours in advance.
The world is deciding who shot down an airliner via unauthenicated telephone calls uploaded to YouTube?
Ivo Shandor was right: society is too sick too survive.
Here we go again. To all the 9/11 deniers, "jet fuel only burns at 700 degrees and steel melts at over 2000 degrees therefore the building was intentionally blown up as false flag." Just for you people I dredge up the cutting torch fueled by bacon. http://www.popsci.com/bacon
Imagine jet fuel burning in a vertical column 10-12 stories high. Gee, that would be a lot like a....... wait for it..... blast furnace at a steel mill. I will leave you with this: "At about 550° C (1,000° F) steel is at 50% strength and at about 800° C (1472° F) structural steel loses 90% of its strength."
Now, I know Jessie Ventura and Alex Jones are structural engineers and Metalurgists. Who is going to emerge as the anti-aircraft missile guru? Who?
Not a bad explanation 911 believer to bad your full of shit.
3 buildings ,all on fire ,all fell down almost at free fall. The only 3 modern STEEL FRAMED skyscrapers on the planet to EVER fall down because of fire.
Why do you hold our government to such high honor as telling the truth when they never do?
Why do you believe in religion? No proof but it must have happened because they took the time to write it down?
Have faith in your new religion 911 believer. Because if you have faith no matter how times its been proven false, If you BELIEVE it must be true.
No wonder this country is fucked to many believers.
Bacon? I believe in bacon. Mmm, BACON!
Here is what I believe in -- Fire proof thermal coating- as required by the inernational building code- to protect steel beams, sheet metal, columns, purlins, decks, between floors and fire walls.
Gives you a one or two hour rating to exit the building before it collapses because burning buildings collapse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT_gBysqfSo
Same thing as 9/11 ground zero where they found one of the terrorists pasport. Now they found documents ID of some student in Malasyia. We're getting tired with this bullshit. One thing I don't get these people ordering killing or pressing the button how do they sleep at night when thier hands are full of blood? Or do they feel more thirsty. God forgive them.
This crash was the handywork of the criminal Neocon Jews who are doing everything they can to start WWIII.
False flag, I can't believe that video / recording is real. It would be easy to fake anyway. I think Ukraine is behind this - they need support from the west, which is waning (We don't need Ukraine for gas when the South Stream is ready) and at the same time they are having a hard time dealing with the separatists and Russia.
Blaming the separatists & Russia would come in handy for Ukraine, and for the US / EU as well (Mooaaar sanctions people!).
http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/316587
Moscow: Kiev allegations that Russian jet downed Ukraine plane absurd
(article is talking about a different plane, military, shot down during conflict.)
However a reader comment by Shura31 on 17.07.2014 [21:48 ]
"Putin's plane crossed the path of MH 17 within half an hour at different altitude. of course. Next thing you know is that these idiots would claim that Putin, himself did the shooting. It is obvious that it was a bomb on the plane itself, since debris and bodies were spread over large area. Maybe they intended it to go off over Russia, but the plane was little late taking off."
My comment:
What?! Putin's plane was in that airspace shortly before? Then the Ukies shoot down an airliner with a Buk-M1 ?
Can anyone confirm the flight paths and times?
If it is true that Putin was on a flight through that area around that time, and we knew nothing else, then it might seem that Kiev forces attempted to shoot down Putin's plane but hit the wrong one by mistake. Payback for the BRICS bank, etc.
However... if indeed the Ukies gave the plane a two fighter escort until just 3 minutes before the shootdown, and they'd deliberately ordered MH17 to deviate from its usual flight path into that area, then we can be sure they didn't hit the wrong plane. They hit the one they intended to hit.
So what's the objective? I can think of a few, which are not mutually exclusive.
1. Further payback to Malaysia, for attempting to ship the stolen US military mobile drone command base station to China on a commercial airliner (MH370.)
2. Attempting to lay the blame for this shootdown on Russia. See comment http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/ukraine-releases-youtube-clip-p... in which the 'recorded conversation' video is shown to have been prepared 20 hours before the event.
3. Probably the primary objective- This shootdown serves the role of a severed horse's head in Putin's bed. It's a threat. "We can reach you. We could have killed you if we wanted."
But it's not intended to scare Putin off involvement in Ukraine. Quite the opposite. It's intended to enrage him, to cause him to do something rash. To make the mistake of invading Ukraine in force. This is what the US-Zionist-NWO satanists want him to do. Because if Putin sends armored divisions into Ukraine, the next step in the trap is for the Zionists to nuke a major Ukrainian city and claim Russian forces did it.
The Zionist Satan-worshipers would absolutely do that. They're all looking at revolutions and being hung from streetlamps in the US, Britain, etc, once the people experience massive banking/currency collapse, and figure out who's to blame. There's only one way these Elite scum imagine they are going to survive, and that's by initiating a global but limited nuclear war.
For that they need a villain. They want Russia to play that part. The shootdown of MH17 is another attempt to kick off WWIII. Only one group want that.
Wake up Americans !!!
http://youtu.be/_QZLuu_8du4
I wouldnt doubt that the Ukraine is behind this.....trying to discredit Russia....the CIA/MOSSAD/The World Bank are working overtime to spew out propaganda
Strange how there is so much more debris than was left outside the Pentagon on 9/11. I think the "separatists" must have mixed a few old buses - with their passengers - into the debris to buff it up.
http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/nodebris.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUNngyhZQrk
If you had to create a Video like this how long would it take?
These people just chatting on an Un-Encrypted phone call and somebody just happened to be recording it, gee that was lucky.
somebody also had a translater handy, find some pictures of soldiers and the Generals! and create a video and upload it youtube.
This video was uploaded hours after the event.
Maybe it's just me, but it seems a little too co-incidental, too convientent.
The Talmudista plot-line is wearing ever so thin....
-when the same energy and geopolitical tensions (Europe, natural gas, etc)-
Please, all of you conservatives and libertarians, tell me again how fucked up and stupid liberals are for wanting to massively develope alternate/renewable/sustainable energy sources. Please, tell me again how we need to base our whole existence on fosil fuels because of FREEDOM.
http://flyingtigercomics.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/mh17-falseflag-analysis/
Khazanah Bank gets its writeoff, intercrime gets its payoff, and nation states use the situation for their own advantage thus protecting the guilty.