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The Final Moments Of Flight MH-17: The Russian Side Of The Story
Yesterday, we laid out extensively what the official Ukrainian case was when it came to "proof" that Russian separatists had launched the Buk missile which allegedly took down flight MH-17; we also highlighted several glaring inconsistencies and questions that still remained open after the "incriminatory" YouTube clip release. So far, any international response has been muted to this hastily prepared evidence of Russian involvement, although the day is still young.
So what about the Russian side? Below we present the key arguments made by Russia to suggest that not it, but Ukraine, was responsible for taking down the Malaysian Boeing.
As reported earlier by RIA, the Russian Defense Ministry says it had intercepted the activity of a Ukrainian radar system on the day the Malaysian plane went down in eastern Ukraine, the ministry’s press service said Friday.
"Throughout the day on July 17, Russian means of radar surveillance intercepted the operation of the Buk-M1 battery’s Kupol radar station located in the region of the populated area of Styla [30 kilometers south of Donetsk]," the press service said in a statement.
“The technical capabilities of the Buk-M1 allow the exchange of data on air targets between batteries of one battalion. Thus, the launch of rockets could have also occurred from any of the batteries deployed in the populated area of Avdeevka [8 kilometers north of Donetsk] or from Gruzsko-Zoryanskoe [25 kilometers east of Donetsk],” the ministry said.
Then we go to Itar-Tass which reported that civil flights in the air space of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions cannot be performed as the relevant communications infrastructure was destroyed there, a source from the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) told ITAR-TASS on Thursday.
“Kiev operates all air traffic control services and it is unclear how this plane (the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 that crashed in eastern Ukraine near the Russian border Thursday night. — ITAR-TASS) could appear in the area,” he said.
“During the combat actions in Donetsk’s airport the communication tower, a part of the united air control service was blown up,” he said adding that “planes cannot fly there.”
On July 8, Ukraine’s State Aviation Service banned all flights over the Donetsk and Luhansk regions aiming to provide “adequate safety and security for all flights of civil aircraft in favor of state aviation.
Meanwhile, Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council took a decision to close the airspace over the area of the so-called anti-terror operation to commercial flights three days ago, Rosaviatsia reported.
This goes back to our post from last night in which we wondered just why and how did it happen that flight MH-17 diverted from its usual trajectory to fly over what was effectively restricted airspace. This also is the topic of a follow up piece by Bloomberg released overnight in which it was noted that "Malaysian Air Flight Took Route Avoided by Qantas, Asiana:"
Qantas hasn’t used the route for a few months, said Andrew McGinnes, a spokesman for the Australian carrier, while Hong Kong-based Cathay Pacific said it has been detouring for “quite some time.” Korean Air Lines Co. and Asiana Airlines Inc. said in statements they have been avoiding the area since March 3.
One hopes that all lingering questions about the flight path, and where the instructions to change it came from, will be answered when the contents of the flight black box are released.
And finally, as RT reported, the national governor of the Donetsk region, Pavel Gubarev, admitted that while the separatists indeed are in possession of one BUK missile unit, it is not operational, and even if it was, it would be unable to reach a height of over 30,000 feet without central radar guidance which the Donetsk region does not have, once again suggesting that a Surface to Air Missile, if indeed one was used, came from the Ukraine side. Surely it will be very easy for international monitors to validate this report.
We will ignore circulating reports of two Ukraine jets that may have followed the Boeing as there is, at least for now, zero direct or circumstantial evidence validating this story aside from one Twitter account which has since been deleted.
In brief the plot thickens, and all that matters now is whose propaganda, read media outlets, will be more persuasive although in reality even that is moot: in the echo chambers of ideology, most people already have their mind made up as to "who" the shooter was.
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I have some additional ideas which are consistent with your comments:
- Background: the rebels are on edge recently having shot down several Ukraine military planes in the past few days etc.
- Kiev ATC gave orders to MH17 to change course which took it right over Donetsk and also to reduce altitude to 33,000. Nobody knows why.
- The purpose of this - and possibly with Ukraine military plane escort - was to make MH17 look like a military flight with fighter escorts, thereby putting the rebels on high alert.
- rebels fired off a missile and bingo.
- immediately after the plane was shot down, Ukraine authorities confiscated ATC recordings with MH17 and moved some ATC staff out of the ATC centre. A Spansh ATC controller in Kiev stated this. This was to destroy the evidence.
acceptable version, i wait confirm or not about pro russia ability to shoot such height plane route.
Although it's very speculative it does meet rational reasoning and explains why Kiyuv didn't lose time with presenting 'facts' abt separatist communication over the shot-down shortly after the catastrophe took place.
I wouldn't be too surprised to hear about a leak soon that separatists got some information from a Kiyuv-source announcing an imminent bombing mission above the south-east around the time and place where MH17 finally got hit. Stoopid fish took the bait...
Indeed. If that explanation is close to the truth, it means the incident was a carefully pre-planned and choreographed plot set up by Ukraine, which points the finger directly at Poroshenko and goes right back to Obama and probably the CIA.
does the number 33,000 signify anyones signature? or are you just another one of those wack job conspiritorial nuts
I wonder what Malaysia (Airlines) did to piss someone off.
Any update on where the black boxes are?
Hundreds of innocent lives lost due to the clandestine arming of rogue elements on a massive scale in a neighboring country sounds alot like Operation Fast & Furious. How much blood does Obama have on his hands for that? How does that differ from Putin? No wonder Obama isn't saying much. People who live in glass houses.....
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/russia-today-correspondent-resigns-o...
I absolutely LOVE the, "bodies were already dead" story. I guess all those relatives crying are actors.
The internet bullshit is complete.
wait until they find another beatles record on the bags... lol
tavistock connections.
beatles real or fake
song writing that is
on plane folks alive or deep frozen from diago garcia.
tavistock has been providing solutions for all problems for 100 years.
look at us as the psycho brain manipulators the mentalists the very foundation of the gchq,mi5 and 6 mossad cia nexus.
we shape history,reshape past history.
the story the life of the mind,the rewiring,the control and manipulation.
beatles and stones all satanic tavistock ukraine the same old british jewish gay script
If we weren't lied to constantly all of the speculation would look crazy. As it is, it's sane. Always remember, these are the same basic people who murdered 200 million + individuals in the last century so that power could be had. I put nothing past them, to do so is the height of naivety.
I may not put anything past them but logistically there's no way this is possible.
Feels to me like this false flag/hoax is losing steam quickly. Sheeple have been hit by too many Malysian Flight hoaxes in too short of time, they're numb to it.
Obama knew exactly what happened hence his calm and the suppression for the most part during the day Thursday re number of Americans on board.
So most likely under the sea of theory counter theory, spy vs spy, world no one will know what actually occurred ever and meanwhile the powers that
be will come to a plausible explanation perhaps to release only if for some reason they don't prefer information chaos to continue to rule the day.
Whole new level on "passing the Buk" if it was a buk.
QUESTION FOR TYLER DURDEN ATTENTION BRO!
WHY WERE AT LEAST SOME OF US NOT ABLE TO POST COMMENTS TO ZH ARTICLES A FEW HOURS THURSDAY. OR IS THERE A GAG ORDER ON THAT.
GRANTED I MAY NOT HAVE SEEN THE RESPONSE TO THIS QUESTION IF IT IS AROUND HERE. SURELY A REDUNDANT REPOST IS OK IF SO?
two theories I like:
Never fly over a Russian Nuke train and expect to fly away
Putin plane was intended target of Ukraine west but they got trigger happy in their enthusiasm and screwed up the CIA sanctioned freelance assignment, or we launched the buk ourselves remotely and screwed up, hence package in White House later in the day as retaliatory tweak back.
Re separatists claim lots of the bodies were dead for days. So how did they get the undead to fly with the already dead? Unconscious I suppose carried on a seat belted in...What are the separatists or persons claiming this is their story smoking?
I declare all "Jew" comments "Jew" baiting etc. DIGRESSIONS & OFF TOPIC.
Blow me you morons. One track minds no relation to anything going on around them. The sub humans always come out.
Tsk Tsk.
"Bossboss, de plane, de plane !"
Russian side of the story:
Russia is a victim of this false flag attack. President Putin declared that Ukraine is the sole responsible for the tragedy, as this crime happened on its territory. The Russian President is ready to send peace keeping forces in Ukraine - to make sure a peaceful solution is reached in the shortest time. The Ukrainian nazi people, completeley different from Ukrainians that want the reunion with Russia, should be banished from the face of the Earth. This is a holy war that will be waged by the Patriotic Defence Army of Russia against nazism. Europe too will be liberated: first the baltic states, then Poland, Finland and other states that show nazism traces. If not possible to be liberated, atomic bombs will be used, in self defence. Russia is the Greatest Country in the History of the World. Heil President Putin!
That plabe should have never been there. Flying over region where large cargo planes were shot down a few days earlier is negligent. This should be the real outcry.
This is another reminder that the American government lies through it's decaying teeth: this is what a plane crash looks like. The fuselage, seats, engine and more are ALWAYS there. Remember the downed plane in PA on 9/11/2001? Remember all the debris and bodies? No one remembers that because it wasn't there, yet it fell from a similar height. There was virtually nothing. Like Magic.
the Ukranian Govt is unelected UN puppets ..hastily inserted to keep serving bankers their interest
these morons have governed like calamity clowns ever since
you can expect many and ongoing mistakes from these UN goons
Please help me establish a new name for our 'leader': PRESIDENT PIMP.
President Pimp is a pimp because he was told that thousands of young girls would be raped and pimped out on their way to his dream. But he went ahead with it, knowing it would happen. So he's a FUCKING P I M P. Thousands of raped little girls are a small price to pay for more votes.
PRESIDENT PIMP - PLEASE USE IT.
I'm sympathetic to Putin because unlike President Pimp, Putin doesn't seem to HATE 70% of his people.
QUERY: If President Pimp could round up any Americans he wanted and exterminate them, and you gave Putin the same option with Russians, who would kill more of their own people (assume no repercussions)?
QUERY II: If you gave both men power to round up and exterminate only Americans, who would kill more Americans?
I think the answer to the first query is easy. The second one is tougher, but I fear the answer is the same.
Natty's latest death count #330 and counting
How many people in Gaza will do the only thing any cornered human being will do when faced with anihilation? Natty's boys and girls will go up in flames and then Israel will be overrun like in WWZ but worse.
Thousands of potential civilian resistence fighters from Gaza into Israel. Did Natty think about this? Probably not, he's a senile old fart.
Fuck you Israel. You deserve all that's coming at ya.
Interesting watching the strategy of Russia as this unfolds. It almost looks as if they don't have one.
From the MSM perspective Russia just seems to be allowing a bigger PR hole to be dug, what with reports of local militia rectricting access to the site, bodies and parts of the plane being removed, with no response to Obama and the rest blaming them. Mind you Merkel has been fairly quiet.
If Russia now turns round with chapter and verse from their monitoring systems there could be an awful lot of MSM humble pie. But I am not betting on it.
As it now seems more and more likely Russia and its totalitarian State thugs are responsible for this war crime, ZH has moved all the "false flag" accusations off the front page. Not so much MH-17 news to hear today, apparently. What about the fact separatists are restricting access to the site? What about the fact Russia is trying to distract us by "banning" certain Americans from access to Russia? Oh my, guess they won't be visiting the sites of your slaughter of tens of millions of Russians over the years. Enjoy your strong-arm, mass-murdering thug dictator's misuse of resources while your country's pathetic economy grinds to a halt. America still controls you, and the dozens of military bases lined up against your border is a testament to that. Oh well. Guess the Russian people have always needed and always will need a communist, statist thug in charge of their brutal plutocracy.
You might have some credibility had the US not done this once before, under a president with a million times the honor of President Pimp.
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/18/facts-needed-on-malaysian-plane-sho...