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U.S. Government Lied to Pretend that Accidental Russian Shootdown of Commercial Plane Was Intentional … Three Decades Ago
We noted yesterday that Ukraine, Russia, the U.S., Israel and China have all accidentally shot down commercial airplanes.
Ray McGovern – a 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their vice presidents, secretaries of state, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials – provides vital details on an accidental shootdown by Russia – and America’s disinformation campaign to make it look intentional – 3 decades ago:
The U.S. press might pause to recall how it’s been manipulated by the U.S. government in the past, including three decades ago by the Reagan administration twisting the facts of the KAL-007 tragedy.
In that case, a Soviet fighter jet shot down a Korean Air Line plane on Sept. 1, 1983, after it strayed hundreds of miles off course and penetrated some of the Soviet Union’s most sensitive airspace over military facilities in Kamchatka and Sakhalin Island.
Over Sakhalin, KAL-007 was finally intercepted by a Soviet Sukhoi-15 fighter. The Soviet pilot tried to signal the plane to land, but the KAL pilots did not respond to the repeated warnings. Amid confusion about the plane’s identity — a U.S. spy plane had been in the vicinity hours earlier — Soviet ground control ordered the pilot to fire. He did, blasting the plane out of the sky and killing all 269 people on board.
The Soviets soon realized they had made a horrendous mistake. U.S. intelligence also knew from sensitive intercepts that the tragedy had resulted from a blunder, not from a willful act of murder ….
But a Soviet admission of a tragic blunder regarding KAL-007 wasn’t good enough for the Reagan administration, which saw the incident as a propaganda windfall. At the time, the felt imperative in Washington was to blacken the Soviet Union in the cause of Cold War propaganda and to escalate tensions with Moscow.
Falsifying the Case
To make the very blackest case against Moscow, the Reagan administration suppressed the exculpatory evidence from the U.S. electronic intercepts. The U.S. mantra became “the deliberate downing of a civilian passenger plane.” Newsweek ran a cover emblazoned with the headline “Murder in the Sky.”
“The Reagan administration’s spin machine began cranking up,” wrote Alvin A. Snyder, then-director of the U.S. Information Agency’s television and film division, in his 1995 book, Warriors of Disinformation.
USIA Director Charles Z. Wick “ordered his top agency aides to form a special task force to devise ways of playing the story overseas. The objective, quite simply, was to heap as much abuse on the Soviet Union as possible,” Snyder recalled.
Snyder noted that “the American media swallowed the U.S. government line without reservation. Said the venerable Ted Koppel on the ABC News ‘Nightline’ program: ‘This has been one of those occasions when there is very little difference between what is churned out by the U.S. government propaganda organs and by the commercial broadcasting networks.’”
On Sept. 6, 1983, the Reagan administration went so far as to present a doctored transcript of the intercepts to the United Nations Security Council (a prelude to a similar false presentation two decades later by Secretary of State Colin Powell on Iraq’s alleged weapons of mass destruction).
“The tape was supposed to run 50 minutes,” Snyder said about recorded Soviet intercepts. “But the tape segment we [at USIA] had ran only eight minutes and 32 seconds. … ‘Do I detect the fine hand of [Richard Nixon's secretary] Rosemary Woods here?’ I asked sarcastically.’”
But Snyder had a job to do: producing the video that his superiors wanted. “The perception we wanted to convey was that the Soviet Union had cold-bloodedly carried out a barbaric act,” Snyder wrote.
Only a decade later, when Snyder saw the complete transcripts — including the portions that the Reagan administration had hidden — would he fully realize how many of the central elements of the U.S. presentation were false.
The Soviet fighter pilot apparently did believe he was pursuing a U.S. spy plane, according to the intercepts, and he was having trouble in the dark identifying the plane. At the instructions of Soviet ground controllers, the pilot had circled the KAL airliner and tilted his wings to force the aircraft down. The pilot said he fired warning shots, too. “This comment was also not on the tape we were provided,” Snyder wrote.
It was clear to Snyder that in the pursuit of its Cold War aims, the Reagan administration had presented false accusations to the United Nations, as well as to the people of the United States and the world. To these Republicans, the ends of smearing the Soviets had justified the means of falsifying the historical record.
In his book, Snyder acknowledged his role in the deception and drew an ironic lesson from the incident. The senior USIA official wrote, “The moral of the story is that all governments, including our own, lie when it suits their purposes. The key is to lie first.”
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"Mysterious MH370" Lol. You're an idiot.
They were both 777's. Maybe this wasn't the first 777. Maybe the first one was just practice on overiding systems and remotely flying one. Makes little difference. And yes, please call me an idiot, too. After all 777's, from the same airline fall, out of the sky everyday.
These aren't empty water bottles hombre. They are Boeing jets with serial numbers. And they didn't just "fall out of the sky". At least one was shot down. And as long as you are open to all these nonsense conspiracy theories, maybe you should take a look at Russia for the cause of the first one too, since they were definitely the cause of the second one "falling out of the sky". So now you have o get all those people who work for Boeing to get in on this, all the people at the FAA, all the people for Malaysian airlines, The NTSB, The Netherlands, Malaysia, the EU, The families you allege are fake or accomplices. ALL of those people have to jump in on this conspriracy without so much as ONE whistleblower for you to belive that this plane was accidently shot down.
So yes, you're welcome, you're an idiot. Feel free to downvote I consider it a badge of honor from you nutcases.
At least one of them was shot down.
Did you get that from your CIA girlfriend, 360 Anderson??
How does your big head know it wasn't a bomb?
I got it here:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/malaysia-airlines-mh17-vide...
You can read about your favorite news agency here:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/04/12/russian-tv-ca...
McCain, who also has to answer for some horrible US Navy deaths on an USN aircraft carrier-
Johnny Sociopath wants USA to go to war with Russia. Now!
When is this fucker gonna die?
John McCain Killed 167 US Navy sailors?,"John McCain’s most horrendous loss occurred in 1967 on the USS Forrestal.
Well, not horrendous for him. The starter motor switch on the A4E
Skyhawk allowed fuel to pool in the engine. When the aircraft was
“wet-started,” an impressive flame would shoot from the tail. It was
one of the ways young hot-shots got their jollies. Investigators and
survivors took the position that McCain deliberately wet-started to
harass the F4 pilot directly behind him. The cook off launched an M34
Zuni rocket that tore through the Skyhawk’s fuel tank, released a
thousand pound bomb, and ignited a fire that killed the pilot plus 167
men. Before the tally of dead and dying was complete, the son and
grandson of admirals had been transferred to the USS Oriskany."
Please recheck your facts concerning Mccains responsibility for Forrestal accident Youtube has a video of incident
Would this be a good time to mention that McCain graduated 894th out of his class of 899 at the Navel Academy?
The five who ranked lower in his class had a good excuse for their standing. They are all Naval Academy mascot goats.
The fucker was going into the navy regardless of whether he graduated, and he new it. Daddy and granddaddy were A1 ass kissers for Uncle Satan.
And now he's a rich Senator and you're just an internet troll.
Rich in what hotshot? Paper assets? The political power to command evil forces? He can keep it.
Rich beyond belief. And his wife is the Anheuser Busch distributor for Arizona - worth 100 million or more.
You're like that idiot a few weeks back in a ZH post, a bazillionaire or something, saying things like "If you only new how incredibly fabilous my life is." What a tool. I mean who wants to trade places w/ J. McCain?
I don't becaue he will die soon. But when some idiot says "paper assets" or whateverthefuck, I chimed in that he and his wife are richer than some small countries. Do you look at facts or just want to move the goal posts around? And as long as we are on the subject, even if he was a poor student at the academy, that still makes him an elite student at most other schools. I don't care who your Dad is, if you go to that academy you are still the total package in terms of intellect and athletic ability.
I think you are deeply envious of his accomplishments. Who sits around and trashes old people like you do? Miserable losers--that's who.
Obviously gorilla, you are just too in love the with the way his daddy called off the 6th Fleet from stomping some IDF ass after they were through napalming The USS Liberty.
You're making a comparison implying McCain is someone special when in reality, he's a warmongering drooler that does what he's told. You are wack when you think there's a queue of us who are just dieing to pose with the cannibal, liver eating jihadis. Murderous old people that light up countries for monitary gain need to be trashed.
Miserable SocioPath. That's you. So there Fool.
The USA has tried to be isolationist a few times before hombre and it was a disaster for us. It has worked out better to counter threats to our interests by projecting strength. It is probably why you are on the internet right now instead of making t shirts in a factory for 12 hours a day. Enjoy this while it lasts and sieze the opportunity you have. Other people have paid a high price for our standing so petulant cowards like you can whine.
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/mccains-plane-crashes/
very good.
And this man leads others?......The American Dream.
There should have been a Trial....... a two tier system...............Thats is what the trouble is.......World Wide. I don't know when the population will stand up to the Elite. Maybe thats why they control food and water supplys , maybe they control nessesities so many male bodies don't let their Balls grow then Drop. Even if their Arrogance grows with force fed Conditioning.
When your daddy is an admiral......that ain't gonna happen
GW thumbs up ...over the years I have noticed that less bias tends to result in offending some of the people some of the time. I dont get suspicious until I like everthing someone reports
acetinker
I answered your question on the other post.
It was also re-posted on the burning platform, you know, that Quinn fella. I'm startin' to see a coalescence of the thoughtful, and i think it's a good sign.
That Saker fella is a 911 skeptic, for sure- But Quinn re-posts his stuff lately. It's weird and it's good, all at once.
That Malaysia found Bush and Blair guilty probably goes a long way toward explaining their "airplane problems" lately!
I don't know what to make of the saker, 911 skeptic, says Russian Christianity stands of the shoulders of jewish giants, say what? Always asking for donations. You can get most of the info on his site from here.
https://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/05/slavyansk-is-out-of-sight-now/
I think it's pretty telling how the U.S. media is completely mum on the fact the U.S. Navy shot down an Iranian commercial airliner in 1988. How hypocritical. Oops...sorry, we did the same thing 25 years ago yet not a word. Those dirty Russians ... how could they do such a thing? Fuck this government.
And the thing is, at least the Russians shot it down over their own territory, maybe even sensitive miiltary territory. The US Navy shot down an Iranian airliner off the coast of Iran!
How's that for in your eye!?
You must admit it was a clean shot.
AUD - disambiguity as wiki says - Soviet Russia, in 1983 shot down KLA007 over their own territory.
The KAL 007 incident claimed one extra life, that of the military pilot who shot it down. He became a alcoholic once the full impact of his actions sunk in.
Sen. Larry McDonald easily debated a NWO waterboy on TV and a few months later he was killed on KAL 007. He was travelling with another Senator who got diverted to another flight. This is a video of the debate, moderated by a much younger Pat Buchanan.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/1358000-kore...
Yes, Senator Jesse Helms invited Congressman McDonald to the event in Korea. 36 Americans travelling to the same event. All at Anchorage, AK together awaiting ongoing flight to Korea. Jesse and 34 other Americans in the party continue on KAL015. McDonald, the only member of the party that continues on KAL007. Still looking for more links. McDonald was about to spill the beans on some money / banking issue. Lots of poison-the-well type stories out there on this on
Edit -your link is bad. Try this one. Crazy sound quality. I heard this years ago without the buzz.
Question to Larry McDonald:"You're saying a group of socialists are trying to take over the country and establish The New World Order?? Smirking ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puNCkwjuxJ0
Thanks for the link notice. It was working when I posted. There used to be lots of links and info about McDonald but it seems many of them have been wiped. Maybe the NWO is cleaning up the evidence. A few of the returns still appear but when opened they are closed or redirected to ads. There's nothing the NWO hates more than truth.
fdl - Somebody down voted your comment -
"There's nothing the NWO hates more than the truth."
Ironicly, making your point.
If I recall correctly, didn't the Russians at first deny they had anything to do with it? Then when forced to admit to it they claimed it WAS a spy plane? Also lies, and as you know George the coverup is always worse than the crime. Suppose they had come out and admitted the mistake, then even if all the shit you allege is true they couldn't have done it if Russia had not lied and tried to cover it up in the first place.
It's not quite that straight forward... the US military was flying a large 4-engine intelligence plane in the area that day.
What the Russians should have done was basically kept their mouth shut, say that they were looking into it, and would get back when they knew better, sort of like they're more (or less) doing now. The only to defeat lies is with bigger lies or hard facts (both of which take time).
Adults are not much better at the game of "telephone" than children and in any big military like the USSA or USSR - the PR clown is half a dozen steps removed from anyone who was actually doing anything.
Maybe that was part of the plan--fly a spy plane in the area as a ruse to put the Soviets on alert for another.
At the time the Soviet fighter pilots said that the plane did not respond to them. Perhaps by that time all crew and passengers were already unconscious, dead, or otherwise immobilized and the plane was on autopilot.
Why would they all be dead or unconscious?
To keep the plane flying into danger. The Korean pilots were well aware of the geography and the political implications. It is unthinkable that they would have willfully ignored the communication from Soviet fighter pilots. Furthermore, pilots are extremely protective of their aircraft and even if they were dying but aware of danger they would have done anything to save the passengers.
They were several hundred miles off course. Maybe cabin pressure issue....
'Cause that's how we roll.
Governments lie, Presidents lie, Congress lies, politicians lie, judges lie, everyone lies except you and I, and I'm pretty sure you lie too.
Autistic spectrum individuals are less likely to lie.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-09/uosc-feo092805.php
First evidence of brain abnormalities found in pathological liars
A University of Southern California study has found the first proof of structural brain abnormalities in people who habitually lie, cheat and manipulate others.
While previous research has shown that there is heightened activity in the prefrontal cortex – the area of the brain that enables most people to feel remorse or learn moral behavior – when normal people lie, this is the first study to provide evidence of structural differences in that area among pathological liars.
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In their journal article, the authors mention that separate studies of autistic children – who typically have trouble lying – have showed the converse pattern of gray matter/white matter ratios.
"The facts that autistic children have difficulty lying and also show reduced prefrontal white matter constitutes the opposite but complementary pattern of the results compared to adults with increased prefrontal white matter who find it easy to lie," the researchers wrote.
"Although autism is a complex condition and cannot be taken as a model for lying, these results … converge with current findings on adult liars in suggesting that the prefrontal cortex is centrally involved in the capacity to lie."
All comments are lies. Including this one.
;-) LOL.
Um, true. I'll go with true.
That's a lie.
How does a scumbag like this get to call himself George Washington?
You're a surly sob aren't you?
He has a note from his mother, Mrs. Washington.
He is cleaver. He takes an event involving Russia years ago and to once again imply the shooting down of this aircraft was an accident and was committed by Russia.
They are working hard and using their resorces like George Washington to direct everyone's attention to their narrative. It is working with those who get their info within the US from the msm.
Ukraine was overthrown by hard right nazi's and thugs with the help of the US and others. They freely murdered their opposition then and have continued to do so. They even have used phosphorus bombs on a city. It is perfectly in line with their actions to shoot down an aircraft in a false flag operation. And with the full assistance of th FBI/CIA/Blackwater opps who are coordinating their activities.
No mention of the aircraft being forced to fly this route, or of the control tower recording being confiscated apparently within mere hours of the event. Or of the many strange associated facts about this event.
The correct information regarding the past event does not point to this being a accident or the action of Russia.