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Biggest Dutch Daily Calls For NATO Intervention To Protect MH17; Feinstein Tells Putin To "Man Up And Confess"
Shortly after we first reported about the MH-17 tragedy, we said that the key variable would be proving who the shooter was, as the grand fingerpointing theater was about to begin. We also noted that the actual answer to "who did it" was irrelevant, for the great propaganda machine had already made up its mind and was on overdrive. It promptly led to such ridiculous comments from non other than the Pentagon which said that, on one hand:
- 'STRAINS CREDULITY' SA-11 FIRED WITHOUT RUSSIAN AID: KIRBY
and yet:
- 'WE JUST DON'T KNOW' WHO FIRED SA-11 MISSILE AT PLANE: KIRBY
So, "we don't know who did it" as long as Putin did it.
As expected, the narrative that the jet was shot down over Ukraine by Putin promptly became the go to version of the western media, and in the absence of actual facts, the appeal to emotions took over and quickly hit a fever pitch. Below is a sampling of some UK newspaper front pages. Clearly, facts be damned, the media knows all already.
"Putin's killed my son" says the Mail. Wow, I've only just seen these front pages (via @kshn). pic.twitter.com/00yHbma3QM
— Shaun Walker (@shaunwalker7) July 19, 2014
In fact, one needs do nothing more than listen to that supreme "the NSA spying is good for you" demagogue, Dianne Feinstein, to know that the "west" is by now convinced the propaganda was has been won. To wit, from Telegraph:
Dianne Feinstein, chairman of the US Senate Intelligence Committee, has urged Russian President Vladimir Putin to "man up" and admit Russia made a mistake.
She told CNN: "I think this has become a huge human drama, and I think the nexus between Russia and the separatists has been established very clearly, so the issue is where is Putin?
"I would say, 'Putin, you have to man up. You should talk to the world. You should say, if this is a mistake, which I hope it was, say it.
"I think the world has to rise up and say we've had enough of this.
"You cannot let this kind of thing happen, and Russia continues to prepare it for the next strike down of a civilian plane. There will be repercussions from this."
But if the "facts" were so overwhelmingly against the separatists, why does it matter if Putin admits? After all it would surely assist the demonization campaign against Russia if the former KGB spy kept up his version of events.
So facts be damned, everyone in the west, from the most crony politician to the biggest tabloid has "undisputed" proof Putin did it. But what now: what is the endgame?
Once again the answer is simple: Western military intervention, this time in the conflict zone, under the guise of public anger against Putin, to reinforce the dwindling Ukraine army forces and to repel the separatists, in the process regaining the critical industrial regions of Ukraine which also are the location of vast natural gas deposits. Certainly showing to Gazprom just who was in charge of this key natural gas nexus wouldn't hurt either. After all the west has already invested so much in the current Ukraine government, it can't all be for nothing.
And we know that because a few hours ago, the biggest Dutch newspaper, Telegraaf, openly asked for military intervention by NATO to protect MH 17 and calls Putin a "KGB liar."
So what happens next? Well, since no crisis should ever be put to waste (especially a crisis created by the same entities who end up benefiting the most from it) the big push over the next week will likely involve setting the stage for the Western arrival (led by NATO or some other grand Western alliance) to secure the MH-17 site, to repel the separatists, and to reinforce armed forces that, courtesy of extensive CIA intervention in recent months, are aligned with said "reinforcers", all the while further provoking Putin and Russia, leading to even more sanctions and countersanctions.
To all those who see this as nothing but a deja vu of the Syrian fiasco scenario that unwound over the past two years with such unprecedented humiliation for the US State Depratment, you are not alone.
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true.
but, what "educated / intellectual circle" are you referring to, in this instance?
i would not characterize government propoganda put forth by the corrupted media as being in any way educated, nor intellectual. it is merely propogana.
Not quite sure what is supposed to happen here.
Russia steps forward and says "An excitable 20 year old with the separatists pressed a button and killed some civilians. The Donetsk government will prosecute and there will be a trial, but let's remember that in war civilians do die. No one likes it, but it happens."
Western media will be permitted to observe the Donetsk government's prosecution.
The seperatists will be provided with encrypted communications and appropriate weapons. Winter is coming and special measures will be taken to provide southeast Ukraine with natural gas for keeping the citizens warm. The rest of Ukraine still owes $6 Billion before they will receive any.
Have a nice day.
Jesus Christ, if you don't buy into sucking Putin's cock you must be an "exceptional" American. How brain dead do you enjoy being? I'm simply looking at the situation and it's fucking obvious the separatists shot the damn plane down. In fact, they even announced they did when they still thought it was a Ukrainian military cargo plane. Two of which they had shot down earlier in the week using the same weapons system.
Are you people afraid of the facts? Unable to even attempt an objective look at things? Yet you all harangue the media for doing the same thing you do except they come from a different viewpoint -- American propaganda rather than Russian propaganda?
Hilarious.
And don't for one fucking minute incinuate I support the crimes of the Western governments.
If you are going to use the logic to explain the downing of the plane, it would be nice to actually share that logic with the rest of us.
Or maybe "Logic" is a name of a person, and he/she told you that separatists shot down the plane?
Well, you start with this idea. The separatists don't have planes to be shot down.
Yeah so why is it Ukraine had these BUK missiles in that region to be captured (conveniently I might add) by the separatists when they had no separatist planes to shoot down?
You are right! Come to think of it, my dog Brown came up missing on thursday also. Hmmmmmm?
Does it even matter if the rebels shot it down? There is no sane person will say that they would have intended to bring it down. Aircraft overflying war zones surely must be considered to be at risk. As I mentioned in a previous reply, an Iran Air Airbus (Flgt 665) was shot down over the Persian Gulf by the USS Vincennes killing 290 people including 66 children.
GHW Bush even refused to apologise, not being an "apologise for America kind of guy".
More disturbing questions have been raised as to whether MH017 was diverted north to overfly Donestk while other flights had been diverted south to avoid the conflict zone. If there is any truth to these allegations, then this must raise very serious suspicions.
Razor, Even Finnair was caught lying about flying over Ukraine. They did it even after the incident and they are the 3rd most safe airliner in the world.
< Ron Paul
< Putin
Here... I'lll help dispell your fears.
+ 1 and thanks!
But Putin is in power, Ron Paul is not.
Sad but true. He has a son though!
I still think Mitt Romney makes a surprise bid.
2016 looks to be as interesting as all the rest of them. *Sigh* Maybe re Romney, I heard on the radio that a betting group lists Romney at 50:1 as being next Prez.
Maybe I'll just not vote in 2016.
Looking more and more like Bob Dole will go down in history as the last strong and decent, widely accepted candidate the Reps fielded eh? (kidding??)
man.. I need therapy.
Ron Paul son just voted for the approved of the Isreal shelling of palestinians and I even think for funding of said shelling. So don't get your hopes to high about the son.
And the son has a Phd in sucking israeli dicks.
Sad but true. He has a son though!
I still think Mitt Romney makes a surprise bid.
Obozobot
The only heroes on this planet are the ordinary people doing extraordinary deeds.
Obama, Putin, Cameron, et. al. are just puppets on the world stage in this Us v. Them production that has been showing for centuries all for your entertainment and enslavement.
Agreed. Too many Putin cheerleaders on here. He may be making our 'leaders' look stupid right now, but he is still an authoritarian thug. It's not like putins Russia is some kind of beacon of freedom either, quite the opposite. I'm very unhappy with the US govts actions, but that doesn't mean I am going to put another authoritarian up on a pedestal. Enough with the putin worship.
Putin is the most effective leader in the world, people admire that. He is so wealthy he can't be bought out by big interests as our politicians are; he seems to do what is good for Russia, unlike our politians.
Is this 'worship', no this is common sense.
How did Putin get his money?
Getting back stolen funds from Dual Citizen Oligarchs. And this news about him being a big billionaire is a bunch of BS from the dual citizen MSM.
Where is the proof suckers. And even if he has a few billion, you need money to fight the banker Medusa.
We should ask the western media since they seem to know he has $80 billion in his accounts...or was it $80 trillion (the figure are equally unbelievable and stupid; only full retards believe that shit)
In Follow His Money, Forbes Columnist Paul Roderick Gregory in an effort to Get Putin wrote in March while screaming “President Obama: Act and act now! There is no need to establish Russian violations of international treaties” : “Among these [Russian] kleptocrats, Vladimir Putin could well be the richest, but his wealth is carefully hidden. It is taboo and dangerous even to talk about. Forbes has not been able to estimate his fortune.”
IOW, claiming he's wealthy but not able to substantiate it. That pretty much is a summary of US media: a claim but not able to establish.
It’s the “kleptocrats” in Russia and Israel who hate Putin. It’s because Putin has refused to sell Russia out from underneath his people; he has established limits, unlike in the U.S. where the US Congress has been bought out by the international banking cartel, the Fed.
For decades America’s manufacturing, patents, technological innovation and jobs have been sold out of America by America's oligarchs. In Putin’s Russia, it doesn’t work that way. Russian resources and Russian oligarchs are held in check because the Putin Administration realizes that Russia’s resources and technologies are only beneficial to Russia when they are used for Russia.
And unlike the U.S. banker-bought Congress, a former State Department official says that “No one has ever been able to come up with a bribery charge against Putin.”*
Therein rests Putin’s problem, his integrity. And they hate him. Putin four months after taking office made a deal with Russia’s oligarchs (largely Jewish plutocrats): they could keep their illegally gained wealth if they personally stayed out of Russia’s politics. And the proverbial hit the U.S., oligarch-owned media fan..
They decided to bring Putin to heel and the demonization began.
Says Sharon Tennison who has observed Russia these past 30 years and been committed to opening relations between Washington and Moscow: “US media and officials then began to champion the oligarchs, particularly Mikhail Khodorkovsky. The latter became highly political, didn’t pay taxes, and prior to being apprehended and jailed was in the process of selling a major portion of Russia’s largest private oil company, Yukos Oil, to Exxon Mobil. Unfortunately, to U.S. media and governing structures, Khodorkovsky became a martyr…”
The Jewish Khodorskovsky went to jail, Exxon Mobil didn’t get Russia’s oil, and Russia's oil is still in Russia.
*http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-vladimir-putin-why-does-the-us-government-hate-him/5381205
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/03/03/want-putins-attention-follow-his-money/
See this lecture by Andrey Fursov for a more comprehensive analysis of the 'oligarch whorelords' of Ukraine, and "how Russia has been the target of the Western elite for 200 years":
Oligarchical topography of Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXLUJpqaQpY
Do you actually have doubts that ours is the hand behind it?
Whoever is here on this site needs to know about vested interests, propaganda and ideology. Heck that's why we come here.
Putin is no angel, that's for sure. But at the very least it doesn't look like he's selling out his own country.
That's exactly my take as well. I attribute zero, literally zero trust in anything the Western MSM say about him.
ZH is all about contrarianism for the sake of contrarianism. People here displace their distrust towards Obama to instead trust and love Putin. After all, how could they BOTH be bad guys???!! Nonsense, I tells ya!
I can't believe something so sensible as this got voted down by everyone.
Oh wait, this is the Putin ass-licking blog so I actually CAN believe it.
Putin can be a bad guy but I sure as hell respect a man with clear thoughts and articulation and apparent morality towards his country.
If you were serious (about ads by Putin), you make the same kind of logical error that others do too often.
Calling for hard evidence rather than just ungrounded accusations is not being a 'Putin lover'. Using ramped up emotionalism to rile the public, (while presenting no hard evidence), raises suspicions. When it was pointed out that the eastern separatists didn't have weapons capable of reaching the altitude of KH17, a US State Dept official replied that the Russians must have helped them. This is a faulty 'begging the question' logical fallacy. Providing no hard evidence to support their accusation, they make another unsupported accusation. The phenomenom of piling on and pushing this meme (again, without supporting proof) is highly suspicious. Its a very good idea to be suspicious of anyone trying to push rushed conclusions on the public. That should raise a Red Flag for anyone who is capable of thinking. This does not make you a 'Putin lover' (though, perhaps it makes you a thermonuclear World War 3 'hater').
I do agree with you that some people here are too eager to jump to conclusions. (Though the percentages here are less than most other places where the worlds events are discussed.) America has been at war & under attack by those seeking to dumb down her citizens through the public 'schools' for a hundred years. These efforts seemed to have accelerated starting in the mid 1960s. People aren't taught history, civics, or critical thinking skills anymore. They are subjected to constant p.c. 'messages'. They are vulnerable to propaganda. They can't see through the logical fallacies and emotional manipulation.
Same manipulation as always. If you aren't for going to war with someone, you love them. That is the type of twisted emotional logic that the sociopaths that are leading this world run by.
yes, I've been wondering the same thing. Tyler needed another revenue stream?
"Moscow has played "the usual game of deflection," noting it has put out "nonsense stories to send people down a rabbit hole" and hamper the investigation."
"These separatist leaders are taking orders from Russia and (Russian President Vladimir Putin) has to realize the consequence of sending heavy and sophisticated weapons to a gang of sociopaths, extremists, violent thugs, nationalists and agents who are just given weapons and told to make chaos..."
"Shortly after the passenger plane was downed, Strelkov – seen smirking in propaganda photos – tweeted a boastful message claiming responsibility.
At the time, he apparently believed he had shot down an Antonov-26 military plane..."
"Russian government agencies have been accused of editing a Wikipedia article to suggest the Ukrainian military was responsible for the downing of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17"
Novaya Gazeta, Russia’s only independent investigative newspaper,infiltrated its “troll farm” of commenters on Russian blogs last September.
"Recently a new group of trolls know as the Russian Arm of Anonymous has been flooding the comments section of American websites...with pro-Russian comments."
"The Guardian readers’ editor reports 40,000 comments a day by an “orchestrated pro-Kremlin campaign” of pro-Russia trolling on Ukraine stories."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2697895/Now-rebel-commander-blam...
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/18/politics/russia-ukraine-world-relations/in...
http://www.alan.com/2014/07/18/putin-gave-this-incompetent-fool-anti-air...
http://techpresident.com/news/wegov/25099/trolls-putins-payrollhttp://th...
http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/documents-show-how-russias-troll-army-...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/malaysia-airlines-mh17-cr...
luftmensch
You sir are an idiot. You know absolutely nothing about anonymous.
You want respect? Stop quoting dailymail, cnn etc
ZH doesn't idealize Putin, it takes a balanced look at the most likely explanations and motives. Just because Tylers don't parrot the Authorized Version on Putin doesn't make them his fans.
The Tylers are Soviets.
I mean...Russians.
Is it true that every man at Langley is short?
is this the thread where the RThedge brigade echoes to each other furiously about how this is all the US' fault and that the rest of the world still thinks Putin is great?
how's that going?
Putin's legion are many but not very smart. What is the net effect of heavy handed tactics in a virtual place? People go elsewhere and all the propaganda effort is lost... Hegel is crying is his grave seeing his evil dialectics turned to shit by unskilled fools.
A women telling a man to "man up".
Oh the irony in the world where all women want to be men and not be women like they should be.
The Telegraaf has always been very anti-Communist/anti-Russian. During WWII they collaborated with Nazi Germany, the paper was banned for several years after the war.
They are comparable to The Sun / News of the World / Daily Mail in Britain and Bild in Germany.
The headline MAAT IS VOL means ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
The subheader Ingrijpen! means Action Now!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2699170/Is-BUK-missile-launcher-...
Different fucking truck and tank in pic 4. These fuckers would send our kids to fight whilst shitting it in bunkers themselves. CUNTS
Dutch are liable to have a mighty cold winter this year.
I followed many links today. This is what interests me.
1. Was reported that there was an "escort" of 2 Ukranian fighter planes. Not confirmed as twitter of the Spanish controllor seems of no interest to media in the West.
Then this from 1 month or so ago....(need to turn on English captions).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKKoKmUtQXE&list=PL8KaQljsCR7gBTzxv4SKqJ27WJ3ZYZk4W
where she says Ukranian fighter planes were using a commercial flight as an aid to bombing civilian targets. HMMMMM. this was in JUNE.
The paper might be in Dutch, but the name tells you who controls it. I can assure you The Telegraph is controlled in City of London/Tel Aviv
Maybe it's Senator Feinstein who should man up...
EDIT: Sen. Feinstein is an excellent example of a pot calling a kettle black.
It is of the male reptilian species ...
This witch is a fuckin' idiot who squawks before she thinks.
Yew Ess Inc has more blood on it's hands than any other country when it come to arming/training global revolts.
Guess she's not privy to that information.
"Confess"? LMAO. That old sociopathic crone never quits.
If she, Pelosi and Reid aren't on psychotopic meds, I'll shit in my hat.
Honestly, there should be a intervention.
I'm European and we're the biggest economic power in the world.
Above america, above china above everybody.
But we don't have a army so what's the point?
Honestly, I'm pro a intervention in Ukraine and also in Israel/Gaza
When will you enlist?
Is Sudden Death from Belgium ?
A great war was started to save that non place and its fucking Nuns.
The original entrepot - stuff comes in and stuff comes out - it therefore has no soul.
Yet despite that we must save them from using their own hinterland like a real nation.
Dude, that war is 60 years ago and te people's kids and grandkids are now to fat and stupid to ever do it again.
You Americans are just like the jews, you just like to keep fussing about it over and over again.
You didn't do it. None of you did it.
All the Americans can do now is lose wars and get their ass kicked by farmers with sticks eversince the 60's. After WOII America hasn't won any war.
All you are is a big country with a big budget.
And oh yeah... That budget... Will go down bigtime... Think about it bigmouth.
Dork may be from Ireland.
Many of his remarks in the past have been good.
Friend SD! Not all of us Americans are jerks.
Yeah we are...but we still have a fondness for Belgium.
I know, I actually love America myself, I'm going there for 4 weeks in 3 weeks from now.
And I'm not going to America for the food ;)
No, it's because I like the people and the country.
4 week roadtrip from new york to new orleans with the wife and kids!
Enjoy the free proctological examination...
Guess the diamond trade in Antwerp was good for you this year SD. Funny but maybe you should leave the kids behind so they can train for the Ukraine invasion, or are you dropping them off here for school so they miss the draft.
edit
Taking the kids to NOLA?
Let us know how that works out.
BTW, Southern Decadence is happening about that time. That might be a culturally stimulating event for the kids to take in.
No shit. Swing by Pittsburgh and I'll take you all out for dinner and fine German beer.
cool enjoy your trip
but, have to say, if you're going to NY and NO and you're looking down your nose at the food... well, prepare to be enlightened :)
@Sudden death
A strange response
I was refering to the first round and not the second.
You are not the same Sudden Death that I remember. although its been a long time since I was in Zero Hedge land and my memory is a bit hazy now.
A guy from your part of the world should know at least some history and dates of the Great war at the very least. and have some idea of eurolands geography .(i.e Cork in in Europe)
Zero Hedge has been taken over by the body Snatchers.
When Ireland was part of the UK we listened to a morality play in the house of commons before the war.
"We must save Belgiums Sovereignty" and all that jazz.
But yee guys were never a bloody nation in the first place - yee were simply a nice collection of towns dependent on world trade.
The Prussians were no doubt a nasty bunch of militaristic morons but morality has nothing to do with war baby.
Actually, there's no country in the world where so many wars where faught. And we where always inlisted as canon fodder in the front lines.
Guess you and your family wont be manning any front lines while you are here on your loooong US vacation eh?
You are being incredibly provocative with very little to add to the discussion in many of your comments Cosmos
I do wonder why. And why do you have a rotation of blonde bints on your avatar? Curious.
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You sure have a long neck to be sticking around and judging my comments. I sure dont think your history of comments in very impressive either. Maybe the pot calling the kettle black or something like that ;)
Sudden Debt, you are completely wrong about the US not knowing how to win. They whupped Grenada's ass...
You still believe we won in Grenada? LOL
Don't equate America's owners and controllers with the American people. Literally a different species.
+1. I didn't vote for any of these crooks.
Dork,
Welcome back. Why were you gone?
And what do you make of this?
@Escrava
The worlds long distance production , distribution and consumption system has broken down as people cannot afford the goods that are produced.
There is a deep inertia in the system that can only be solved via two mechanisms.
1. You give people back their wealth (purchasing power)
For example in Ireland you give debt slaves the keys to their house.
2. You go to war.
Think of the economc crisis in Dublin 1913. (the lockout)
War is a means of changing supply chains while maintaining the concentration of political and economic power.
We are witnessing a form of Fordism via the blunt use of power.
There is other currents also.
Such as a deep Talmudic attack on cultural foundations but both work together to form this current nightmare.
Cork,
I started reading this thread but stopped because I don't want to pollute my taughts.
Here's my take: US/Nato would not go to war over a commercial flight. I mean, under the normal circumstances.
So what is the end game?
Don't know mate.
The world has got too weird even for me.
The solution for most people is to return to village and market town level cooperation but thats not the solution for those guys with the levers of power in their hands.
They will forever take our purchasing power away and use that surplus to overbuild capacity using their demonic scarcity engine as their primary tool making cooperation impossible.
Agree with villages. Tell friends, especially the ones with kids, to visit the Amish. Or move to Paraguay.
However, I think the European and US financial system are about to have a meltdown if the BRIC’s pull trade within their currencies.
I mean,
Is the stock market [Ponzi scheme] about to crash, thus slashing government revenues [taxes] and fictions jobs [military]?
Is the oil about to hit $150 dollars again?
Or, both?
Not a financial advisor / I have no idea.
I am more concerned with money being used to create a constant flux in society in the interests of a few.
I guess they can hit both the inflation or deflation buttons at will so as to extract purchasing power.
Wonder if this is the an ‘Archduke’ moment [war]
Or a ‘Cuba’ missile crisis moment [one side backs down].
Both sides backed down over the Cuban missile crisis.
JFK first thru' back channels, ordering the removal of US nukes from Turkey.
Cuban missiles were the Kremlin response, not the provocation, that caused the crisis, as most
'history' books claim now.Once JKF backed down,so did the Kremlin.
The irony was the nukes in Turkey were SNAFU, but the Kremlin never knew it.
The other irony was the 178+ tactical nukes ,already deployed in Cuba, that
the US knew nothing of at the time.
Pure luck homo sapiens did not end then.
Churchill,
Pretty good…, BUT, the second paragraph.
Kennedy did not have to use the back channels, because those missiles in Turkey were to be removed as you pointed it out. New type of missile was to be placed in submarines.
Khrushchev backed down.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter. And your take might be the right one.
Now, what’s going on here? Let’s forget who shutdown the airplane, for now.
It’s obvious too early to know all the facts. However, West propaganda machine is in full swing.
We also have the BRICS’s jumping ship last week. My guess is that their leaders see the water [Titanic metaphor] and they don’t trust the captain [US] while the general public still dancing [the BS].
Then, I read in one of Dubai Banker’s post the Eurozone is moving towards Russia.
Again…, Archduke or Cuba moment?
Dork, the lock out your refer to, as you almost certainly know, was a result of the rise of trade unionism with big Jim Larkin. The workers had started to organise and demand their fair share, and the bosses, led by William Martin Murphy,major industialism and owner of The Irish Independent were determined to break them. As a Dubliner, this is imbibed with mother's milk and surely you saw the dramatisation on RTE of James Plunketts "Strumpet City"? Or are you one of the Corkonians who thinks that Cork is the capital?
How can I get arrowed down by welcoming the greatest Cork?
I think its the hairdo just saying :)))
He once won an award for most gratuitous use of the word "Belgium" in a written screenplay....
Hedgers......
Hugh Hendry: "I would recomend you panic"
Should I?
You are the black sheep with the dyed hair Isaura so I would say in your case dont panic, keep buying the T bills ;))))
Hair? It's a wig.... I am blonde
We have a army and I'm not a army guy.
But this is just cruel what they did.
And I did see that some people downvoted me but those are the same people who mocked the people who died in the twin towers.
Just no respect for the people who died. I just don't understand why those people find it funny that people die in these things.
You are letting your emotions get in the way of your rationality.
(Actually he's just trolling)
(not so sure about that. lots of grieving and rage in the Dutch-speaking world)
Using a mothers grief to start a war against Russia is beyond loathsome.
Maybe their rage should be towards the guys in the diamond district who send money to the cabal that orchestrated this false flag event that killed many Dutch people to act as a distraction from their Gaza operation to the day !!!!
Come on you Euro punks cant be that stupid. Oh wait, maybe you can, cause they pulled two world wars on your turf in the past century suckaaaaz
+100. We (Europeans) were so easily duped and lead like lambs to the slaughter.
but french aren't that dumb. just watch that show, 'braquo'. those characters are suspicious of everything. you'd never see a usa tv show with such a load of cynical characters.
Correct. Shit like this is the dollar mafia's attempt to make the conflict emotional for everyone. They've even got the dutch mad? Have you been to Amsterdam? There's all kinds of seedy shit (to go along with the weed and hookers), a lot of it coming from Africa. Two people I know were robbed there, one at knifepoint and another was bludgeoned with a candlestick holder, both times the aggressors were a gang of native africans. I get creeped out walking the streets alone sometimes.
Now a plane goes down in Ukraine, which can only benefit the new regime after the $4billion invested by the USA into regime change, and the western dollar central banking zionist mafia.
Not a fucking coincidence that Israel invaded Gaza and they are killing more women and children than passangers died in the plane immediatly after it went down.
Russians don't care. PERIOD. And that is PURE emotion..."just not of the right kind." Without any doubt Putin is at war with the west.
The question is "to what extent is the West at war with him?"
"We have an army, I'm not an army guy"
You know who you sound like? Lindsey graham, dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, all the rest of the chicken hawks. That's you. You think we should send other kids off to fight and die, but you aren't willing to go yourself. Fuck that. You want intervention, head on over there and volunteer. Don't try to force others to do it for you. I seem to remember a pretty good article you wrote that got posted on here about Belgians financial troubles. So Belgium is essentially broke, as you say, but now they have the money to go 'intervene' in two different places that are none of your business? Got it...
We're broke yes, and so is everybody else.
I do remember a time when the US didn't chicken out against the russians...
That was the pre Obama period.
So go get your free phone, sit back and wait untill Obama pays your electrical bill...
I miss your humor SD...
:) I haven't been sleeping well for the last 4 days because of the heat over here :)
I'm getting pretty crancky :)
I'll shut up for today and take a sleeping pill :)
Sudden Debt: "We're broke yes, and so is everybody else"
Wrongo.
US federal debt is 104% of GDP, Russia's debt to GDP is 9%.
Is this cruel because it involved the deaths of mostly white Northern Europeans? Because they where Dutch?
Where is your respect for the poor people of Odessa that burned alive back in May 2014? Or the children that died in Syria? No? Whilst most Europeans where cheering and watching the soccer World cup there where children dying in Syria and also in Palestina.
I don't support Putin or anybody else, but at this point we don't know shit about this catastrophy, but we do now for FACT that the US government has been shooting down on weddings and soccer playing kids.
The hipocrisy and cynicism in the MSM - and especially the diarrhea coming from the UK and Netherlands - is sickening me even more than the incident itself.
As a European myself I will NOT SUPPORT any war activities in Ukraine, and I really mean NO support by stopping paying ANY taxes at all. I will go rogue and do my own thing. FUCK THIS ALL. We are born free and enslaved during our whole Lifes, also by people like you that support criminal war mongers. I will resist all and any war efforts. Go yourself moron.
Ukrainian Prosecutor-General stated:
“After the passenger airliner was downed, the military reported to the president that terrorists do not have our air defense missile systems Buk and S-300,” the general prosecutor said. “These weapons were not seized,” he added.
yes, to stop paying taxes would be one solution. needs to be done by a lot of people simultaniously, with a clear stated goal.
otherwise we'll be picked off one by one.
Zioqueers don't enlist. They get the goyim donkeys to do that.
Bullshit they don't. That's an IDF...bought a paid for IN FULL with US taxpayer DOLARES.
They don't enlist, they are forced to. Serve the young fuckers right though. That's why they stay in the tanks or behind computer screens to do their slaughtering. All of them would shit their pants if they had to go face to face with an equally armed enemy. Yet the true evil fuckers, the talmud-slingers get to live for free off of US tax money and never work nor join their slaughterhouse army.
Trust me..I've met Israeli soldiers...they're for real. They see their "political minders" the way all the rest of us do.
Did you meet the soldiers in the mess hall?
Civilian...traveling around as a hippie kid. Southeast Asia actually...they were on "deferment" and glad to be outta "there" (meaning Israel.). Granted this was 25 years ago...doesn't appear much has changed.
Wake up! This is not daddy's Vietnam...this war never ends.
Funny how the israeli soldiers are only men when they steal land, but we never saw then in Iraq or Afghanistan etc, in those dangerous places they send the USA donkey army to die lol just like those donkeys sent by Hamas. These Semites love to use donkey hahaha
They shit their pants in southern Lebanon when they came up against Hezbullah in 2006.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Sp3B3BPg_U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=754AT7o5qx0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VIVRRIgXRc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz6c_SpghcM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ
I'm really glad that you are disabled.Sucked enough taxpayers dollars already?
Plan Ost is on the table!
Adolf Hitler is laughing his balls off right now! "And all the Jews die too!"
"Vut is Plan Otto?"
Putin has totally phucked this up by not giving a rats ass. The President of the US would see his poll numbers soar if he declared War on Putin...instead it's all about starting a World War instead while arguing "legalisms."
"And as the planes climb high into the night I saw Satan laughing with delight."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzQMpOIHzzw
Knock yourselves out. You can get nuked instead of us in the US.
The US is to big to defend itself. Never forget that, if America would ever be in the position to do so, it would have a serious problem.
That's why America is bringing the wars outside of America.
I and many other British do NOT see ourselves as European. So fuck the EU.
F-UK hahhaha Listen Europe will be a happier and safer place without you, and so will the rest of the world without the Anglo Saxon mini me
Come on guys just having a little fun over some tea and crumpets...cant we all just get along?
Feinstein eats the souls of babies
What is it with these dual citizen Nazis, Feinstein, Allbright, Nuland, these turds love to kill little children, makes sense cause they are Nazistas
When a chick with a dick tells you to man up you know you're slipping.
All dual-citizens in any form of US government need to be deported and now.
Looks like the downvoting zioqueers love having their agents running and destroying America.
Just doin' their job, QE. They're called hasbaras.
Putin needs to start releasing the recorded phone calls of all the tribe 9/11 perps.
That, or something close to it, may be forthcoming but probably through an intermediary of some kind (Snowden, etc.).
He should let the facts go where they may.
Expressing condolences wouldn't hurt either!
Nay...he's a certified nut job.
"Welcome to The War Machine" folks.
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While you were actively hallucinating...
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140718/190992704/Putin-Medvedev-Express-Condole...
Although you're probably intimately familiar with the qualifications making one a certified nut job, that doesn't necessarily make you an expert at such assessments.
Like this guy? http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2014/07/the-talented-mister-zakheim.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ff_LTlZZI8
Wag the dog , all over again...
This is all just planned and meant as a set up for (world)war.
Satanists want to get rid of a great part of humanity..
and war is a perfect way.
In the past 3 days, the dog has been wagged with so much force and speed that it literally disintegrated.
I am not sure the agenda could be any more obvious.
Two cabin crew refused to fly on doomed plane over war zone safety fears
Airline staff refused to fly over airspace deeming it too dangerous
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2698579/Two-cabin-crew-refused-f...
why/how/who approved the flight directly over Donetsk in Ukraine ?
Many (all others ?) avoided that specific no-fly region of Ukraine.
Full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes ? Similar to Titanic or Costa Concordia...too many issues and conflicted captains.
Conflicted captains (across many regions) created these dismal conditions over these last months.
Dismal.
Feinstein: confess. You're a dual-citizen infiltrator. Your husband is a major defense contractor and you're profited directly from your legislation.
Confess now!
You fucking traitor.
Was Vladimir Putin’s plane targeted?
Now if the Russian troops could only find some Wallon nuns to rape and stuff....
We can have a proper just war thingy.
We have heard all our life that the Euro dream (nightmare) was supposed to prevent another Great war yet the euro trash functionaires are racing towards the abyss.
The world is a fucking glasshouse built on a pyramid of lies.
Just finished re-reading "the Great War." The biggest myth was that te Germans lost. The Von Hindenberg Offensives were easily the greatest acts of war seen in human history. If the Americans weren't there Europe would have been flattened.
"Now the Americans are over there." Just re-read Omar Bradley's auto biography. He had a million man Army (one of three American ones in The heart of the Reich at the time) and "couldn't understand why the Russians were taking so long to take Berlin."
He wrote that book in the 50's!
Not one mention of Operation Zitadelle or he opening weeks of Barbarossa. Simply put...great auto biography but poor war historian.
Because Bradley wasn't fighting von Manstein on a front five times the size of the British Allies. Citadell lasted but a couple of weeks when it was called off by Hitler after US troops landed in Siciley with no Italian resistence. Try reading Lost Victories by von Manstein to get a real feel for the area of Ukraine and the perils of being trapped on the "balcony" of the Donetz area. Nearly all of von Mansteins experience was developed in the exact areas in the news now.
von Manstein in his echeloned defense in 1943 was probably the best generalship in the entire Second World war in all theatres.
If Hitler hadn't recalled him in disgrace he could have held the Russians up maybe as long as 18 months to two years.
Hitler was a good offensive general, howeever he never understood defensive strategies.
"If Hitler hadn't recalled him in disgrace"
No wonder you think Hitler was an offensive "general" fucking corporal and nothing more. Field Marshall von Manstein was called back with Field Marshall von Kliest and handed his swords to his knights cross by Hitler himself. He was then relieved of command with the excuse that the need for grand strategy had passed. If von Manstein had been given operational control of the southwern wing he would have crushed the russians in eastern ukraine.
Some food for thought:
Was Malaysian Airline MH17 Brought Down By the Ukrainian Military?the dutch have form in this matter.
going back a long way.
working with mossad and the anne frank meme fairy tale.
why have the dutch allowed one of the most important airports in europe to be taken over by israeli security firms.
this is getting rather silly fuckishima and now this,london tube cameras 7 7 all using kosher fuckin security companies for fuck sake.
They have the largest gas field in Europe. They also told Einstein to drop dead which caused "the great pacifist" to tell the Dutch "they would be shot in the head too."
Putin has really screwed this up. If NATO moves they will move big.
We've lost our moral authority to act on nearly anything because we are being led by a lot of immoral people. Too many to list.