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Biggest Dutch Daily Calls For NATO Intervention To Protect MH17; Feinstein Tells Putin To "Man Up And Confess"
Shortly after we first reported about the MH-17 tragedy, we said that the key variable would be proving who the shooter was, as the grand fingerpointing theater was about to begin. We also noted that the actual answer to "who did it" was irrelevant, for the great propaganda machine had already made up its mind and was on overdrive. It promptly led to such ridiculous comments from non other than the Pentagon which said that, on one hand:
- 'STRAINS CREDULITY' SA-11 FIRED WITHOUT RUSSIAN AID: KIRBY
and yet:
- 'WE JUST DON'T KNOW' WHO FIRED SA-11 MISSILE AT PLANE: KIRBY
So, "we don't know who did it" as long as Putin did it.
As expected, the narrative that the jet was shot down over Ukraine by Putin promptly became the go to version of the western media, and in the absence of actual facts, the appeal to emotions took over and quickly hit a fever pitch. Below is a sampling of some UK newspaper front pages. Clearly, facts be damned, the media knows all already.
"Putin's killed my son" says the Mail. Wow, I've only just seen these front pages (via @kshn). pic.twitter.com/00yHbma3QM
— Shaun Walker (@shaunwalker7) July 19, 2014
In fact, one needs do nothing more than listen to that supreme "the NSA spying is good for you" demagogue, Dianne Feinstein, to know that the "west" is by now convinced the propaganda was has been won. To wit, from Telegraph:
Dianne Feinstein, chairman of the US Senate Intelligence Committee, has urged Russian President Vladimir Putin to "man up" and admit Russia made a mistake.
She told CNN: "I think this has become a huge human drama, and I think the nexus between Russia and the separatists has been established very clearly, so the issue is where is Putin?
"I would say, 'Putin, you have to man up. You should talk to the world. You should say, if this is a mistake, which I hope it was, say it.
"I think the world has to rise up and say we've had enough of this.
"You cannot let this kind of thing happen, and Russia continues to prepare it for the next strike down of a civilian plane. There will be repercussions from this."
But if the "facts" were so overwhelmingly against the separatists, why does it matter if Putin admits? After all it would surely assist the demonization campaign against Russia if the former KGB spy kept up his version of events.
So facts be damned, everyone in the west, from the most crony politician to the biggest tabloid has "undisputed" proof Putin did it. But what now: what is the endgame?
Once again the answer is simple: Western military intervention, this time in the conflict zone, under the guise of public anger against Putin, to reinforce the dwindling Ukraine army forces and to repel the separatists, in the process regaining the critical industrial regions of Ukraine which also are the location of vast natural gas deposits. Certainly showing to Gazprom just who was in charge of this key natural gas nexus wouldn't hurt either. After all the west has already invested so much in the current Ukraine government, it can't all be for nothing.
And we know that because a few hours ago, the biggest Dutch newspaper, Telegraaf, openly asked for military intervention by NATO to protect MH 17 and calls Putin a "KGB liar."
So what happens next? Well, since no crisis should ever be put to waste (especially a crisis created by the same entities who end up benefiting the most from it) the big push over the next week will likely involve setting the stage for the Western arrival (led by NATO or some other grand Western alliance) to secure the MH-17 site, to repel the separatists, and to reinforce armed forces that, courtesy of extensive CIA intervention in recent months, are aligned with said "reinforcers", all the while further provoking Putin and Russia, leading to even more sanctions and countersanctions.
To all those who see this as nothing but a deja vu of the Syrian fiasco scenario that unwound over the past two years with such unprecedented humiliation for the US State Depratment, you are not alone.
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Yes, I agree that we (USA) has lost our moral authority to act on things happening outside of the USA.
We should Just. Stay. Out.
I have grave doubts as to the legitimate moral authority of other world leaders, but you are right that we are being led by immoral people that precludes us from "moral intervention".
+ 1, bravo
Hey Do Chen,
I wasn't accusing you of war mongering on the other thread.The peaceful life line was
merely on some level, we all hope these problems will go away, without effort from us.
Its the inertia and cog diss our masters rely on,that keeps them in power over us.
Its a shame we have to rely on the BRICS and associates,to do our job for us.
Because we will not do it, we could well end up just as enslaved,by them this time.
Big + 1
I was overly sensitive having been shellacked on that thread. My apologies (I later thought you indeed might have meant WASHINGTON DC...). I should have known better, you write quality remarks, and you have not ad hominemed me in the past.
I agree that we (USA) are poorly led. But, I do get irked (perhaps I should not) when I see so much love attributed to people as bad (maybe worse?) as Obama.
War is almost always the wrong answer.
the US will burn through four more presidential terms before Putin decides he wants to retire... says all that needs to be said about the difference between US and Russia
get out and vote you lazy fuckers, and a big hearty F U C K Y O U to the people who say it doesn't matter
there is nothing moral about interfering in another nation's affairs.
It depends and for the most part you're right. It's clear though why character in a president or any elected official matters. It's for times like this when world events demand a decision in one form or another. Inaction is a decision as well mind you.
Seems we have little tolerance for events in Europe but display an incredible amount for Mexico's drug cartel puppet of a government.
Our good neighbor Mexico who is now sanctioning express trains from Guatemala for the express reason of flooding our borders, fires on US border patrol agents without penalty and generally facilitate the breaking of our laws with not only impunity, but the blessings of Washington.
..might have to disagree on that one- especially since Arizona and Texas are being treated as sacrificial goats.
Just being a tad picayune this morning, besides I think you will agree it has been a while since this government or any government was concerned with morality or anything like that..
The Elite's answer for what Russia should do: Russia needs to stop interfering in Ukraine and stop sending weapons across the border.
The elite's answer for what US should do: We should cooperate with the Ukranian government and supply lethal aid to fight the pro-russians.
I swear I must have heard "lethal aid" 10-20 times on the news circuit today. Lethal aid has to be the biggest oxymoron and the true pinnacle of the Orwellian dream coming true.
Am I the only one wondering if this isn't just a set up so that the world bankers can profit from another world war? Why would the Russians do this. You honestly have to ask yourself. What is the point in bringing a passenger jet down? There is no honor in it. This isn't something a military or militia would do. This was a frequently traveled air lane. This plane didn't illegaly enter Russia or Ukraine. Just as when 9/11 happened, look at the results of this situation and see who profited or gained the most from it. That usually will tell you who commited the act. In the case of 9/11, the NSA had it's budget raised to 40 billion shortly after. And now you see the result. Really makes you wonder who the bad guys really are...
i think by now it should be pretty obvious to pretty everybody, that
1./ it was an accident
2./ planes should not fly there
3./ so far biggest losers of the conflict are poor ukrainian people
and it will happen at other place other time again
This what it was all about. Shameful liars! I was told this trash paper always was a Zionists mouthpiece.
More likely Putin will intervene first.
Now he can do it with the West's blessing.
Someone hasn't thought this scenario through.
I feel sorry for the victims and their families, but we are talking three hundred people,
when Pax Americana has killed 30 million plus innocents in pursuit of its empire.
None of the orchestrated smear BS is going to alter the growing anti US alliance in any
way.Purely for domestic consumption in the US ,and Europe.
It may well accellerate the moves against US hegemony,not delay them.
Leaders, all round the world, give not one toss over three hundred lives,its not even
a rounding error of a rounding error, in realpolitik.
This event is the precursor to something much bigger planned by te PTB IMO.
Soon.Can't let the momo fizzle.
300 uninvolved non-Ukrainian and non-Russian but mostly European innocent civilian lives was determined to be the price* necessary to ensure Ukraine's future as a NATO member and inaugurate the Second Cold War for fun and profit.
Seriously surreal Kabuki.
Remember, within a matter of hours, half of Europe already knew, once and for all time, exactly who was to blame. Dog successfully wagged.
* this is the "Purely for domestic consumption in the US ,and Europe." part
Even if what we say here is true no one will believe us. Hate to say it but we are all just bystanders here as the "big guns" bust a move.
Just like within hours after the 9/11 attack we were told for certain that Saddam Hussein was behind it.
That "something much bigger" is clearly planned is terrifying. They're obviously hysterical for Russia to 'invade' somewhere, and know their nonsense about Crimea won't work.
Do they need 'Russian aggression' as an excuse to occupy Ukraine? Do they think it'll be safe to attack the Russian military directly, once it moves outside of Russia? Or is all out war planned and they just want a childish and contrived 'he started it' before launching a war they stupidly believe will finish the BRICS and roll Russia back to the Duchy of Muscow? Unfortunately, the third one looks most likely right now!
"Once the war begins no one will ask why."
UNLIKE World War I I might add.
"The theory of Hitler was one of deterrence." In other words if he had only been stopped once "in his march to power." But this is a false narrative and a variance to the facts. Even at the end Germany still felt Hitler "had their back."
Putin's best move would be to get some UN blue hats into Ukraine to gum up US plans while he works to uncover the truth of who/how downed the plane. Perhaps he can take the wind out of the US sails with facts, ala Syria. But no matter, Germany knows the truth and any NATO fence-sitters (France, Turkey?) will take their lead. NATO has no legs to stand on, if it ever did.
TPTB will have to try much harder with the next false flag.
This particular false flag will be milked for all the propaganda value possible, but it is providing scant cover for the neocons naked power grab. Vichy Washington has jumped the shark, and has given up on winning the propaganda war: they have their agenda, and they will continue to pursue it, and if the curtain over public opinion does not effectively hide their machinations, well, tough shit, serfs, get used to it. We intend total theatre control, and we don't care who we have to kill to get 100% cooperation. Look at the mass murder now going on in the Gaza Strip; Israel has lost the propaganda war, and now faces near unanimous approbation from the rest of the world, but they cling to their lie of 'needing to protect themselves,' from the completely harmless 'rocket attacks' they have suffered. Presume those rocket attacks are false flags too. When you plan to do murder on a large scale, you need some kind of cover, however trivial, and with the lamestream media's full support, you can always count on the low information voters buying enough of it to create the pretense that the government policy is at least partially supported by the 'sovereign' citizens...
Fishhawk
Love Dutch, but they are acting like good hypocites themselves. When there were Ukrainians being killed and getting their land occupied, they called for "peaceful and diplomatic measures - oh and don't make us any financial costs". Now suddenly they got their eyes opened.
As for a person from Baltic states, this kind of attitude from European partners looks really shameful. USA does a lot of crap (just like any active human being does lots of mistakes), but at least, or at al least to some extent, they are ready to sacrifice not only their financial security, but the lifes of their soldiers for their partners as well. And who cares that 99.95% of US population have no clue where, say, Lithuania is, in times of danger our region can still rely on them more than those "culturally and geographically close European partners", who would only go for some meaningless sanctions (not even willing to pay an extra cent on the oil and gas) for as long as situation does not threaten them personally. I am not talking on Holland, of course, but this is quite a general sentiment that is felt in Baltics and majorpart of Eastern Europe
i ant aliens to abduct me fast.
b4 europe gets nuked.
open replacement of missing facts with dumbfuck agitation to start a war in the historically most bloodsoaked area of europe.
this will go nuke and usa is sitting a few thousand miles away grinning "we said so".
and the dumbo europe elite will sit in safe bunkers.
this is so stupid
What I would like to know is why the media stopped reporting on Ukraine essentially at the same time Kiev started using significant force ][perhaps with the help of CIA and American mercs?] to pacify the East. A good amount of civilian deaths resulted - as can be seen on youtube or liveleak.
But - no coverage. Just as there was virtually no coverage of a truly horrific massacre in Odessa where people being burned alive were shot by Kiev putsch loyalists as they tried to escape - a mob and incident which may have been, in part, the handiwork of one of Ukraine's more despicable oligarchs.
The coordination in terms of what the MSM covers seems to me too strong to be mere 'group think.' It would be very interesting to see what, when and how cnn, fox, cbs, abc, nbc, essentially the big 5, cover stories each day over a 1 month period.
I certainly don't "know" but my gut tells me Feinstein is literally an Israeli agent, currently aiming to make sure that all sigintel gets to NSA, hence Israel. I'm sure no one from CIA or DIA would bother spying on her because no matter how much evidence there was of her being a traitor - it would never see the light of day. The amount of Jews/Zionists in key positions of this administration, like the last, is way, way, way above over-representation and into a government largely controlled by a 5th Column.
Hence NSA networks being built by Israeli companies, and Obama signing the memo to send Mossad all the 'raw data' quite early in his first term, while Rahm "son of an Irgun terrorist and Mosad agent" Emanuel was his CoS.
But - nobody seems to notice, and nobody seems to care.
How much news coverage was there of the CAT 3 hurricane steaming towards NYC on 9/11/2001? ZERO. ZERO. ZERO. Who has the power to block such news? Who owns the media? One and the same. The tribe.
well, this plane crash obviously Ukrainians were not forceful enough. It is so easy to speak to you when it is not your contry being torn apart
I wonder too. There might simply be too many fires raging. It does seem like each one takes attention away from the others though.
As things fall apart, I think there will be too many fires to cover it all, just like there will be too many bankruptcies to note them all, too many lawsuits, too many people accusing the other ones of theft and deception. One of the things about it all going "up in smoke" is that the smoke contributes to the chaos, disorientation, and ultimately destruction.
The West are pushing Putin to do something stupid. Its like a hockey game, you are losing so you provoke, harass the other team to retaliate so they get a penalty or two your team scores a goal or two, you are back in the game.
The West wants Putin to invade eastern Ukraine or Moldova; American, European apparchniks are greedy, immoral, myopic but they are not stupid. They realize that Ukraine's economy is probably worse that Greece's and they don't want to own it. They would like to make it Putin's problem ,have a small proxy war to sap Putin's/Russia's strength both politically and economically. America would arm Ukraine when Russia moves over the border. Everybody is happy. However, they need to move quickly , when its still warm, because in the winter,when it gets really cold; Russia holds all the face cards
America always needs bogey man so they can scare the people to fund the MIC. Saddamm's gone, Osama is gone, Quaddafi gone, Al Quaeda is now an ally, America requires Iran to stop balance the power of their allies in Iraq (yes, it does seem confusing, no?): America has very little trade with Russia so, voila, Putin, bogeyman.
I agree with that assessment, problem for the world is that they will continue to encroach on Russia until he has no alternative. His best play is to go along with the charade while pointing out that Israel shot down a Iranian jet liner, the USS Vincines blew an Iranian jet liner out of the sky over the Med as well. Unfortunately the spook community on both sides will be working around the clock false flagging the shit outta the civilian class and that is a loser too because you never go to war with a group that buys their ink by the barrel. The narrative will be controlled and Europe must have its nat gas. If this does happen to blow up in the west face as a iron clad proven false flag they will lose Europe for a long time.
People are laughing at the blatant propaganda.
These idiots are trying to adapt half-duplex controlled media techniques to a world where any person with a smartphone is a potential electronic journalist with camera, microphone with almost instantaneous access to vast numbers of recipients who can caucus on their own.
What the flying fuck is Diane Fuckstein doing?
Motherfucking cunt.....SHUT UP YOU BITCH.
Like she knows something......LOL...what a stinky cunt.
FUCK OFF FEINSTEIN....AND KICK McCAIN IN WHAT'S LEFT OF HIS BALLS....
Well she did that. She is McCain's M.I.C. dance partner for this weekend news cycle. Said the Russians are to blame, this is a cold war, worst Russian relations EVA!, Then took no more than 5 seconds to say MICain is uniformed, and that the US should not give high tech weapons to anyone. Meanwhile Princess Lindsay is supposed to nagg Obama. After going full throat on the Gaza conflict, and that it should last as long as it should last, he spend no more than 5 seconds saying Obama is incompetent.
Apparently the two party Hegelian dialectic only needs a small amount of weekly dues at present. Go team america! /sarc.
We appear to be a five Party State "with the media at he Center." Don't see any war protesting going on like in the 60's and 70's either.
ZH'ers are about it. Since everyone else is in agreement that the bombs should fly...
The rationale given by all the politicians is that the USA *must always* assert "leadership" in international relations if violence is to be used. Rather than fall in to the peace vs. war debate, maybe people should ask why it *must always* be the USA, when they don't have that great of a track record at it. Or if you think they have a great 100 year track record, then ask if they deserve a break.
Germany, Japan, China, France, U.K, Brazil, India, Australia, etc. are fully capable of providing the leadership involved here.
WOW........this is like Ivan Pavlov vs. B. F. Skinner for the HEAVYWEIGHT
CAMPIONSHIP TITLE OF THE WORLD. Don't forget that Dr. Pavlov was first in terms of Experimental Psychology. Old B.F. was an afterthought
and I am sure Putin is well aware of that, USA. American PSYOPS are lame IMHO. Please remember that within the Behaviourist paradigm
'the best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour' and the Americans are not exactly batting it out of the field lately. P=0.98
that they will fuck it up again so I'll wager a donut on the exKGB dude
with the sense to give Edward Snowden exile, ok?
OCCUPY AMERICAN HUBRIS & WARMONGERS - OCCUPY EVERYTHING
Skinner was really good...though no one study's "the Dark Ages
Of Psychology" much anymore.
The more interesting one in this instance is the dude who California dude who invented "Cognitive Dissonance theory" and why people believe things clearly at a variance to the facts (he studied cults that had an end of the world theology) still believe in their theology "long after they have been thoroughly discredited and are a prima facie "a total and complete falsehood."
A lot like calling for a stock market crash that never materializes actually.
This dutch paper is THE MOST worst paper of all dutch papers, They shoud be Ignored completely
TPTB cannot allow the BRIC formation of an alternate financial system.
The aircraft and passengers were sacrificed to maintain control of the System led by the private stockholders of the B for IS.
TPTB are willing to risk a nuclear escalation to insure their Primacy.
They must maintain control of Finance and Oil.
For those of us here who have been watching this slow mo train crash over the past years, this shit is getting really really fucking old.
I have done my best over the years to get my family prepared for the coming ( insert whatever you think is likely ). I have tried to open the eyes of friends and family, but right now I am just so fucking tired of all this.
I know it is wrong to wish for such things but sometimes I just wish this whole shitty theatre would come tumbling down. Fuck it, roll the dice and let's see who makes it through to the other side. If there is one.
Words are difficult to find to describe my mounting anger and revulsion for this system, I am so so tired of it all. All the goddamn lies, all the goddamn time.
You want to have integrity, the leadership has none and all their decisions reflect it. They are weak. Yet it represents YOU (and ME). We are stuck with that. Stop fucking lying indeed. Throw a lit match just because.
I am afraid of it all falling apart, I admit it, I am a soft spoiled westerner. Yet I yearn for the same things you do.
Hang in there bro! My experiences regarding this subject are similiar to yours. I've been blowing the whistle four long years, and I'm tired also.
At least most of my family and what friends I have left no longer think I am crazy, although some are angry at me and blame me for the madness sweeping this planet, merely because I informed them of the truth. Denial is a bitch. Truth is the cure.
Namaste
Brit, NEVER quit ... Ever. Like Mis and lester above indicated, you are not alone in your weariness and disgust. And, yes, from my long-term observations, the tempo and baseness are accelerating greatly, portending, IMHO, nearby upheaval.
Never give up, folks.
Hey Brit Abroad, if the controllers of the carnival can create an environment where patrons and carnies lose respect for each other, then the system no matter how corrupt, will remain intact long enough to steal everyone’s material wealth (including well stashed chocolate covered bacon). Ya see… when large groupings of self-centered patrons is all that can be seen huddling around the dime toss game and funhouse entrance, then there’s nothing or no one worth trying or dying for. A corrupt carnival is not even worth tearing down, for all the patrons and carnies alike seem to be pigs wallowing around in the animal display area, proudly looking at their reflections and forgetting their ultimate destination as pork products.
Hook Line and Carnivals
Putin better be the master chess player some say he is. He will need to show what a master move it was to convince the legit Ukran govt not to act against the nazis when they could have been stomped out and contained. That inaction has Russia where it is now, and the propaganda is working within the US (not sure about the EU). The CIA/FBI and Blackwater are woven into the EUkran forces and while the EUkran resistance has done well so far the momentum is being built up for greater direct assistance from the allies. And then NATO forces taking actions.
Either Putin shows his master moves soon to head this off or he realizes there will be war and he is ready to go all in when he pulls the trigger and does not want to show this to the opposition or he realizes Russia is in a losing position and he will keep backing up even when NATO helps WUkran take full control of the east. There at many ways any of this unfolds from here but the allies do not want to give Putin time for winter to arrive. Putin's chess playing mimics weakness, or is weakness.
Putin may regret backing down to the nazis when they could have been contained.
Rust never sleeps, neither does the idiocy of the Neocons and the MSM.
Who allowed the Air liner to fly into a war zone? The Ukrainian Air traffic control and the Airline itself.
Feinstein knows Putin would not degrade himself to talk to her. It is not as if the US hands are not covered in Blood like whan they US Navy shot down the Iranian plane, all it wassaid "Oops sorry"
It's what Putin said...and continues to say...that is the mistake.
His actions are not at a variance to his public pronouncements either. No one is saying anything about Israel interestingly.
"So events are now controlling us and we are all just pretending to be masters of things."
And yet they want to make this Sarajevo 2014.
Feinstein is a pathetic lying cunt. If she read ZH Comments she'd know that "The Jews did it"
This 54 year old is feeling alot more at home with the World lately.
The passangers of life who are being reduced to pieces every day...
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/hospital-change-history.html
If the "facts" are so overwhelmingly against the separatists it shoould be very easy for Kiew to answer the following questions:
1. Immediately after the tragedy, the Ukrainian authorities, naturally, blamed it on the self-defense forces. What are these accusations based on?
2. Can Kiev explain in detail how it uses Buk missile launchers in the conflict zone? And why were these systems deployed there in the first place, seeing as the self-defense forces don’t have any planes?
3. Would the Ukrainian Armed Forces be willing to let international investigators see the inventory of their air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles, including those used in SAM launchers?
4. Will the international commission have access to tracking data from reliable sources regarding the movements of Ukrainian warplanes on the day of the tragedy?
5.Why did Ukrainian air traffic controllers allow the plane to deviate from the regular route to the north, towards “the anti-terrorist operation zone”?
6. How can official Kiev comment on reports in the social media, allegedly by a Spanish air traffic controller who works in Ukraine, that there were two Ukrainian military planes flying alongside the Boeing 777 over Ukrainian territory?
7. Why did Ukraine’s Security Service start working with the recordings of communications between Ukrainian air traffic controllers and the Boeing crew and with the data storage systems from Ukrainian radars without waiting for international investigators?
8. Kiev claims to possess tapes of communications implicating Donetsk separatists when MH-17 was shot down. Will those tapes be handed over for independent examination and investigation?
I personally hope the CRIMINALS get what they think, they want.
when has it gone as planned?...the world is prime for reset!
Just what is needed,
another US/EU/NATO intervention allegedly to stop the killing of civilians,
like in Serbia, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, and Iraq.
As though they have not already been intervening in Ukraine,
and none of the blood is ever on their hands.
As though either peace or justice will ever be advanced by
jingoist yellow journalism waving a bloody shirt.
I dont think the ramifications of this incident are sinking in quick enough folks.
I really dont. They are doing everything they can to take us to war, against folk we have no quarell with.
I believe enough folk are awake and aware to do something about this, but we need a primer. Isnt it very fucking strange that fifteen minutes after the plane went down, Isreal invaded Gaza?
These cunts that run the show need stopping, with exterme predjudice, and the cunts need stopping now.
We are fodder for the bosses cannons, never forget that. Till were not, never forget that.
Lets bring these fuckers down my friends. Who the fuck do they think they are?
This is right out of the textbook. "Rush to war."
Our "truth" is being overwhelmed by their "truthiness." And this is before a single shot has even been fired!
"They are doing everything they can to take us to war, against folk we have no quarell with."
Exactly right, my friend. The march to war is what this is all about.
Unless people across the West wake up, the criminal maniacs will have their way.
Dare we think that mass global Israel protests are the beginning of the wake up? I've certainly been surprised by some of the comments sections on MSM sites of late, even on the BBC it seems like a backlash is brewing. The BBC! Propaganda seems to be losing traction against a world connected to itself by instant messaging. Sleeping giants and all that.
WOW such a profound post, so much insight and so british, I do love the use of the word 'brewing' this post will brew in my mind and make my mind grow and reach new heights. Come on dude you can do better for a guy that criticizes the posts of others for not being good enough.
Shave your mustache you look like one of those lame bounty hunters on late night chasing down a pimp through some clothing lines full of wife beaters.
Let us hope people are waking up. And equally important, let's hope they know where to aim their fire as it were.
But I've also seen quite a lot of comments on the Daily Telegraph et al angering for more action against Putin. So it looks like there's still plenty of people sucking up the lies and propaganda.
Bear in ming when assessing the real views of its readers that the Telegraph moderators/thought police are notorious for clamping down on 'waaaycism' and 'anti-Semitism'.
Agreed. I got blocked a long time ago from BBC comment sections for daring to post a small truth. More recently, the UK Daily Mail failed to moderate a post of mine, same reason. MSM will not tolerate comments that go against their own political agenda.
The criminal maniacs wont have their way smacker my friend.
Its to late, far to many people are well aware of the fraud upon us.
Why do you think a plane was shot down 15 minutes before Isreal invaded Gaza? They think they have us covered, and unfortunately for them, they dont.
Upwards of 15,000 folk marched on the Isreali embassy yesterday, its too late.
The genie is owt.
Now let the filthy cunts put it back in.
Tick, fucking, tock.
:-)
I think what might be missing is the tipping point. Then it'll happen.
How many divisions can the Dutch army field?
Netherlands are playing the NATO card. If they're going, we're all going.
Srbrenica Dutch are going to do what ? I think Poland should invade Ukraine - they have experience
Truth or Consequences ? All these countries/states are choosing or chosen. Formations.
Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova can obtain U.S. ally statushttp://en.cihan.com.tr/news/Georgia-Ukraine-and-Moldova-can-obtain-U-S-a...
"It was Putin's missile!"
By Pepe Escobar
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-190714.html
And here's the spin war verdict: the current Malaysia Airlines tragedy - the second in four months - is "terrorism" perpetrated by "pro-Russian separatists", armed by Russia, and Vladimir Putin is the main culprit. End of story. Anyone who believes otherwise, shut up.
Why? Because the CIA said so. Because Hillary "We came, we saw, he died" Clinton said so. Because batshit crazy Samantha "R2P" Power said so - thundering at the UN, everything duly printed by the neo-con infested Washington Post.
Because Anglo-American corporate media - from CNN to Fox (who tried to buy Time Warner, which owns CNN) - said so. Because the President of the United States (POTUS) said so. And mostly because Kiev had vociferously said so in the first place.
It was Putin's missile but it was Fucksteins setup, that is after all the Jewish way to perform murder.
Kerry is using the recorded telephone message as evidence the separatists shot the plane down (which I think they did). However in the recording the fighters are boasting about shooting down another *military transport* and then when they hear it was a civilian plane the mood changes completely. So...the million dollar question is what made them think MH17 was military?
A fighter escort would lead some to beleive that.
Like 'laced ammunition', MH17 was marshaled into the crosshairs.
re Feinstein oders Putin to "Confess" (!)
Fifth Columnist Uber-Zio-Hag Feinstein practising for her upcoming role as USSA Chief Inquistor/Prosecutor
I vote that Putin destroys the Western banking elite one by one.
Hey here is a great interview with Katherine Austin Fitts. In the second and third hours she pretty much tells about what she learned about the take over of the US by the shadow finance/military elite.
Watch the once hated Feinstein become a Tea Party darling for this.
The tea party supports Putin. Because, you know, they're fucking idiots.
Also, FYI tea party sites like Breitbart.com have been deliberately censoring virtually ALL reports about MH-17 in the last few days, harping away as they are almost exclusively on the subject of immigration. They don't want their commenters to be blaming the Obama adminstration and making their readership look like Russian supporters, which is the image they would project to the world if permitted by their Breitbart masters to speak on the subject.
But don't believe me, check out the website for yourself. Completely wiped of any MH-17 reporting, it's a non-stop Sarah Palin fest.
Webster Tarpley calls it (MH-17 shootdown) the reaction on the creation of the BRICS bank.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6fFNiPrRBc
Telegraaf... The place where you can always find the elitist motto of the day.
Forget Putin Dianne.
How about you turn your lazer vision on the IRS and get some of them to "confess"?
Would have about the same effect.
Well said, but we know that ain't gonna happen.
If NATO loses this war, Germany will be divided again and reoccupied by Russia.
Putin should do the ol' "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Hillary attacked Putin with Pussy Girls riot. Putin should NOT lower himself to that. Pulhesse, one Hillary is way more than enough.
Yeah,that shit wouldn't fly with anybody with any integrity. They wouldn't say it and wouldn't expect anybody to let them get away with saying it.
It's western TABLOID media, ZH. These are the same magazines that regularly report live aliens. Calm down. I can assure you pro-Russian tabloid media is also having a field day.
Live aliens are plentiful, different varieties, even.
Google you tube, "I Know What I Saw." That will ignite the thrusters for anyone with a microgram of curiosity. You are about 4 decades in arrears in your awareness. Really, not being critical, just prodding.
Not just Tabloid trash. The UK Daily Telegraph and The Times are generally seen as the upmarket dailies, but they too have joined the rampaging mob shouting and screaming at Putin/Russia.
And not to be left out, Sky News is running hour after hour of obscene, unproven propaganda, only interviewing those who have something bad to say about Putin and ignoring anything which goes against the "it was Putin wot did it" narrative.
Western media has finally descended into the gutter for all to see.
It's masters in government will be pleased.
I was somewhat surprised to find even ABC news, though still faulting the separatists,
much more nuanced and matter-of-fact than the top US politicians (Obama, Kerry, Hillary, McCain etc.)
5 min video:
http://news.yahoo.com/video/investigating-mh17-crash-163559871.html
If Putin has more than $1 billion they why doesn't he own an NHL team?
I am embarrassed and ashamed that America puts people like Obama, Feinstein, Graham, McCain, Bush, Cheney,Lieberman, Clinton in positions of power - the list goes on - but the real source of my shame and embarrassment as an American is that in each and every case these evil fools were elected by a majority of voters, or they wouldnt be where they are (or were). Stupid, evil leadership arises from stupid, evil people.
America once stood on at least a semblance of moral high ground - even though that ground was plenty shakey a lot of the time. We no longer have the right to preach to others. We have abdicated that right. Until and if we ever get our act back together we should simply stay home and shut the fuck up.
...., which will not happen.
'America' could not abdicate that right because they never got it.
In their fantasy mind, 'americans' enjoy considering they had it or have it. Reality is they never got it.
That is why they wont stop.
'American' nature is eternal and 'americans' will keep doing what they've been doing from the start.
Yes, from the people who brought you the Warren Commission comes a new wave of propaganda.
Apparently, the U.S. and British governments don't like actual investigations and trials. Instead, they prefer instant, unsupported conclusions.
In the aftermath of any tragic event, cooler heads should prevail. That means examining evidence closely and conducting a thorough investigation that doesn't rely upon political rhetoric.
Therefore, when reading news articles about the Malaysian plane, ask yourself several important questions:
Just like Feinstein (and pretty much every other politician too)...test which way the wind is blowing and then jump on the bandwagon..
Feinstein is about self-enrichment, and she is not a United States senator.
Isnt that the definition of a United States Senator?
Dianne Feinstein - demented, senile, deranged, utterly corrupt, running California into the ground since 1969.....
I'll add this folks.
Do the NSA, GCHQ understand normal folks routines? I have stated here many times, I clean windows for a living. Does the NSA or GCHQ have any idea how many people I know or interact with? Most of whom talk like we do? Or other people just like me?
Why do you think 30% of the folk that did vote, voted for a party in the local elections and EU elections that had in the history of these isles never happened before?
Do you cunts think we cunts, as in all of us are asleep?
You will cry for your mother when this kicks off my spying friends.
Infact, you will wish your mother let the best part of you run down her leg.
;-)
PUTIN KICKED MY DOG , STOLE MY MAIL and CUT IN LINE AT THE THEATER!!!
"Dianne Feinstein, chairman of the US Senate Intelligence Committee"
I just threw up in my mouth.
The San Jose Mercury used a by-line article back in March by Ron Paul where he shows how Diane Feinstein and Mike Rogers are trying to protect the NSA and how it stems back to 9-11.
Ron Paul:
"The reaction of Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) to last week’s revelations that the CIA secretly searched Senate Intelligence Committee computers reveals much about what the elites in government think about the rest of us. 'Spy on thee, but not on me!'
"The hypocrisy of Sen. Feinstein is astounding. She is the biggest backer of the NSA spying on the rest of us, but when the tables are turned and her staff is the target she becomes irate. But there is more to it than that. There is an attitude in Washington that the laws Congress passes do not apply to Members. They can trample our civil liberties, they believe, but it should never affect their own freedom.
"Remember that much of this started when politicians rushed to past the PATRIOT Act after 9/11. Those of us who warned that such new powers granted to the state would be used against us someday were criticized as alarmist and worse. The violations happened just as we warned, but when political leaders discovered the breach of our civil liberties they did nothing about it. It was not until whistleblowers like Edward Snowden and others informed us of the abuses that the “debate” over surveillance that President Obama claimed to welcome could even begin to take place! Left to politicians like Dianne Feinstein, Mike Rogers, and President Obama, we would never have that debate because we would not know."
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/march/16/if-spying-on-senate-is-so-bad,-why-is-it-ok-for-them-to-spy-on-us.aspx
Rebels told to hide black boxes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B07HaQw3Hg8
Powerful columnist Paul Craig Roberts says that if we discount the mass media’s pavlovian conditioning as a factor in its uniform opinion in this tragedy, then “the only conclusion is that the entire news cycle pertaining to the downing of the Malaysian airliner is orchestrated in order to lay the blame on Putin.”
Writes Roberts today: “In my previous article I reported on the BBC news report which I heard and which was obviously primed to place all blame on Russia.... “The evidence that Putin did it, is a video made prior to the attack on the airliner. The entire BBC report aired over National Public Radio was orchestrated for the sole purpose of establishing prior to any evidence that Russia was responsible.
“Indeed the entire Western media spoke as one: Russia did it. And the presstitutes are still speaking the same way.”
In an exposure of the Washington’s propaganda machine and its dependence on fooling the public, Craig-Roberts writes"
"Romesh Ratnesar, deputy editor of Bloomberg Businessweek, provides convincing evidence for orchestration in his own remarks of July 17. Ratnesar’s opinion title is: 'The Malaysia Airlines Shootdown Spells Disaster for Putin.' Ratnesar does not mean that Putin is being framed-up. He means that prior to Putin having the Malaysian airliner shot down, 'to the vast majority of Americans, Russia’s meddling in Ukraine has largely seemed of peripheral importance to US interests. That calculus has changed. . . . It may take months, even years, but Putin’s recklessness is bound to catch up to him. When it does, the downing of MH 17 may be seen as the beginning of his undoing.'
This story, of course, can turn in a 12-hour news cycle when critical facts relating to the Maylaysian airline disaster are uncovered. As Roberts says:
"As a former Wall Street Journal editor, anyone who handed me a piece of shit like Ratnesar published would have been fired. Look at the insinuations when there is no evidence to support them. Look at the lie that Washington’s coup is “Russia’s meddling in Ukraine.” What we are witnessing is the total corruption of Western journalism by Washington’s imperial agenda. Journalists have to get on board with the lies or get run over.
"Look around for still honest journalists. Who are they? Glenn Greenwald, who is under constant attack by his fellow journalists, all of whom are whores. Who else can you think of? Julian Assange, locked away in the Ecuadoran Embassy in London on Washington’s orders. The British puppet government won’t permit free transit to Assange to take up his asylum in Ecuador. The last country that did this was the Soviet Union, which required its Hungarian puppet to keep Cardinal Mindszenty interred in the US Embassy in Budapest for 15 years from 1956 until 1971. Mindszenty was granted political asylum by the United States, but Hungary, on Soviet orders, would not honor his asylum, just as Washington’s British puppet, on Washington’s orders, will not honor Assange’s asylum.
“If we are honest and have the strength to face reality, we will realize that the Soviet Union did not collapse. It simply moved, along with Mao and Pol Pot, to Washington and London.”
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/july/20/what-happened-to-the-malaysian-airliner.aspx
These days there is nothing more rare than an honest reporter. Perhaps one of the last giants remaining is Seymour Hersh.
Shooting down a plane with almost 300 civilians onboard is a terrible crime.
But if we want to understand who the criminal is we should look for a motive.
Unfortunately , for those who want to shift all the blame on Putin and his" thugs" they gain nothing from this while the other side gains everything.
Make your own conclusions.
Feinstein should man up like the man she is and retire!
Opps...wait a minute....RESIGN NOW!!
You know, if the rebels showed remorse over the shooting, took responsibility and immediately did everything they could to make sure the proper authorities were able to have unrestricted access to the site while the rebel soldiers kept people from looting the bodies, people would not be raging against them so hard.
Instead, their ability to communicate is completely missing, they act like they are innocent and they have all the rights to do whatever they want to the bodies and wreckage, they show no respect and pose with items as if they were trophies. They move bodies away without telling anyone where to, the black boxes were "found" by them and now "missing", and do everything in their power to hide their evidence.
Their lack of being able to take responsibility, communicate and do the humane thing shows that their precious "Republic of Donetsk" has no right to exist. It is a pocket of bandits and terrorists who need to be captured and thrown in jail or sentenced to forced labor to rebuild what they destroyed.
I assume you think this because you only read western media. I assume you dont read russian so you cant hear the other side of the story. But cant you imagine it?
Your solution as I understand it is for the separatists to admit guilt – even if they probably aren’t guilty. And then justice will be served.
How can you hope to contribute to a discussion here when in spite of critical facts still unknown you know exactly what happened? You are just on board with the Putin-did-it crowd and that’s pretty disgusting.
As for the crash scene, that black box story and supervision of bodies and evidence is a story so mishandled by the NATO-countries’ press - most of the first response journalists based out of Kiev - it is almost impossible to know what is happening on the scene.
Ukraine’s elected government was overthrown by gangsters receiving their power from the United States and NATO. And an illegitimate election put the bandits in power. The people of Eastern Ukraine are not interested in attacking Kiev; they just want out of this political prison, and you and John McCain think that that’s just enough to have their homes blown apart, and their people killed.
Just what kind of world of justice do you want anyhow?
Imagine the world press if a passenger plane was shot down either by a Hamas rocket or Israeli military. And the plane crashed in Gaza while young Hamas men tried to deal with the crash and the victims. You can only imagine how the controlled world press would identify who did the shooting, charge that the crash site was corrupted, evidence hidden and bodies mutilated. This is a description of how the Israeli-technique works with a controlled press. It immediately blames the victims for its own actions.
When Israel bombs and Hamas tries to fight back, suddenly Israel is the victim and Hamas is the attacker. But the expansion of Israel into almost all Palestine territory, with the remaining indigenouse population squeezed into 2,400 square miles at nearly 2000 persons per sq mi, tells the story. With a level media playing field, facts could be uncovered. But in the current western media climate, the Israeli-American Empire backed by its EU operatives, sets the tone, pounds the lie and never backs down. US Senator Diane Feinstein: “Putin, you have to man up.”
So i was looking for the earlierst photos of MH17 before or after it hit the ground to see whether there was a missile contrail. I didn't find anything in my short search but this article has some evidence and analysis. All the videos of Buk missiles have huge contrails.
I hope some more footage surfaces.
http://aun-tv.com/was-mh17-shot-down-why-no-fireball-or-smoke-trail-why-...
Sara Firth recently quit her job at RT on account of how horrible the propaganda is at RT over the MH-17 crash. If you guys get out of ZH every once in a while, you'll see how ridiculous and contradictory all the Kremlin-sponsored messages are becoming.
Putin-bots even had to retract their story about how Kiev was going after Putin's plane but "missed." Haha. Well, that about settles it.
I am trying to work out your name.
Semper = always
Fudge = ????
A chocolate treat?
Lying?
Anal sex reference?
Shit?
Or?
My imagination has run out of possibilities.
They lie to us so much. Not enough time has passed, not enough evidence has been gathered, for anyone to KNOW what happened. Meanwhile we are lied to so much, that yes, we assume and plan for the worst.
Use your common sense, drones.
Which nation had the expertise to train someone to operate this missile system?
Not many countries on that list, and the location of the purported launch kinda reduces that list to one.
But it's not that - no it's Mossad in conjunction with the CIA who launched a stolen system at the missing MHR370 from earlier this year. The debris is from another plane to hide what the fuck ever bullshit you idiots make up.
evidence be damned
evidence be damned
Ukraine also operates SA-11 systems, you mongoloid.
Ukraine? This was allegedly fired from deep within pro-Russian eastern Ukraine that has voted to join Russia. Donetsk.
Ukraine? As in Crimea is Ukraine? You guys are blinded by your paranoia.
So PRO-UKRAINAN forces backed by Mossad and the EU and NATO and the CIA and the Illuminati snuck a launch system deep into eastern Ukraine (40 miles from the Russian frontier), an area that is 99% pro-unification with Russia, and fired a missle at a passing aircraft to make Russia look bad and justify a larger conflict - a conflict that IS NOT HAPPENING?
So they did this to start war, no war began, but it's still the reason? To make Russia look bad, when Russia already looks bad in the eyes of the EU US etc?
And the fact that pro-Russian rebels guard the site is a CIA coverup, and all the bodies were hauled away by the Rothschilds?
Whiskey
Tango
Foxtrot
Lets be honest here.... most modern weapon systems could be piloted by an infant everything is set and forget for the most part nowadays , there isnt much training required to operate these systems.... if any at all. . .
The pot calling the kettle black...
Ok blame Russia and defend Israel...
I think we have moved into a penumbra, beyond which lies a greater darker shadow. Control over events is being lost, and the next incident might be enough to let the demons escape.
DER VATER
By Albrecht Haushofer (1903-1945)
[Shot by the SS near the gate of Moabit Prison on April 25, 1945]
The deepest folktale from the eastern lands
Tells us that some spirits of the foulest force
Rest imprisoned in the midnight seas,
Sealed up by the Lord God’s worried hands,
Until once in a thousand years, there comes
A fisherman who’s granted this decision:
Release the awful powers from their prison,
Or cast away at once those fettered demons.
For my father there was this to choose:
Push the demon back into its cell,
By strength of will confine it to its hell.
My father broke the seal and let it loose.
He did not see the breath of evil’s flight.
He let the demon drift into the night.
Pavel
October 26, 2005
[translated from the German]
So, the country which can't even keep/find copies of emails from IRS official knows who and when fired SA-11 in Ukraine.
Dianne Goldman Berman Feinstein- Man up and go to hell... and take all your psychopathic "friends", zionist -nazi snakes, reptiles and other cold blooded scam with you.
Wow.... That's a pretty impressive name. Do you think she coulkd be part of the tribe? Doh....
If Fienstien says it is so then i will find the exact opposite opinion and back that.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I regret that I have only one up arrow to give you on that one...
It's like the precipice to WWI when the Germans were supposedly loping off the breast of women in the Belgians and killing babies. If more rational minds don't intervene, those who think it's not going to affect them will be sorely mistaken!
Russian response: "We're still waiting for your admission on TWA 800."
The jungle drums are currently beating very loudly in the small island on the other side
of the pond. What they're saying is the takedown of MH17 was, aside from anything else,
the firing of the starting pistol for the beginning of, "Operation Get Rid of Putin."
It will be interesting to see how things pan out from here. The obvious course of action would
be to do "an Iran" on Russia by sanctioning it to within an inch of it's life, attempt to entirely
cripple the Russia economy with the carrot being if Putin, aka Goldstein, goes those sanctions
will be lifted.
What's pretty clear is the globalists want him gone because he just plain won't get with
the Ubermensch program and, horror of horrors, appears to still have some attachment to
that anarchic concept known as nationalism which, obviously, is anathema to them.
..."So who profits?
The key question remains, of course, cui bono? ..." p.e.
.
OpEdNews Op Eds 7/19/2014 at 12:28:29
It was Putin's missile?
By Pepe Escobar
http://www.opednews.com/articles/It-was-Putin-s-missile-by-Pepe-Escobar-...
+100 blindman.
As Pepe says:
"Putin is more than correct when he stressed this tragedy would not have happened if Poroshenko had agreed to extend a ceasefire, as Merkel, Hollande and Putin tried to convince him to do in late June. At a minimum, Kiev is already guilty because they are responsible for safe passage of flights in the airspace they -- theoretically -- control.
"But all that is already forgotten in the fog of war, tragedy and hype. As for Washington's hysterical claims of credibility, I leave you with just one number: Iran Air 655."
thanks for your posts jr,
.
"Here's the spin war verdict: the current Malaysian Airlines tragedy -- the second in four months -- is "terrorism" perpetrated by "pro-Russian separatists" armed by Russia and Putin is the main culprit. End of story. Anyone who believes otherwise, shut up.
Why? Because the CIA said so. Because Hillary 'We came, we saw, he died' Clinton said so. Because crazy Samantha 'R2P' Power said so -- thundering at the UN, everything duly printed by the neo-con infested Washington Post.
Because Anglo-American corporate media -- from CNN to Fox (who tried to buy Time Warner, which owns CNN) -- said so. Because the President of the United States (POTUS) said so. And mostly because Kiev had vociferously said so in the first place.
Right off the bat they were all lined up -- the invariably hysterical reams of "experts" of the "US intelligence community" literally foaming at their palatial mouths at "evil" Russia and "evil" Putin; intel "experts" who could not identify a convoy of gleaming white Toyotas crossing the Iraqi desert to take Mosul. And yet they have already sentenced; they don't need to look any further, instantly solving the MH17 riddle.
It doesn't matter that President Putin has stressed the MH17 tragedy must be investigated objectively. And "objectively" certainly does not mean that fictional 'international community' notion construed by Washington -- the usual congregation of pliable vassals/patsies. ..." p.e.
Lusitania
Pearl Harbor
Gulf of Tonkin
9/11
MH-17
It seems the script never changes. Only the liars promoting it.
UK and US control the Global Propaganda Machine and Ad Industry
'remember the maine'
The disturbing trend is that within 10 years the US will more closely resemble the old USSR and Russia will resemble more closely the old USA.
If things get ugly there is no doubt that both sides have planned to damage each others electrical grids, poison water supplies and perhaps nuke geologicslly unstable areas such as the St Andreas fault or the national park. A super bug unleashed on all of us is also not out of the question.
i hope I am wrong but somehow the trends and events tell me I am right.
Glad there is a hell
And after its over Feinstein will be complaining you can't get good lox anymore.
Your a rambling idiot.
I lived as an expat and worked in the Netherlands for five years during the early-mid 90's. All I will say about the Dutch is that "Apartheid" is a Dutch word.
Told to fly directly over a war zone and to lower altitude minutes before getting hit all sounds suspicious to me.
It makes sense if you are trying to baitt the other side.
Will someone please get Ms. Feinstein to the nearest ER so that doctors can remove her head from her butt before the poor woman suffocates.
they are conjoined. She'll die if it happens
You say that like it's a BAD thing.
No, my statement was neutral. I was just stating facts ;)
Maybe one of the 400 U.S. mercenaries that are presently in Ukraine had something to do with it?Seems like British tabloids and U.S. media outlets can report a bunch of crap so I'll start a new rumour for the press so that can sell even more of their rmorning coffee rags to all the sheeple in England and The States.
War put oil price up, no?