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Ron Paul: What The Press Isn't Reporting About The MH17 Disaster
Authored by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute,
Just days after the tragic crash of a Malaysian Airlines flight over eastern Ukraine, Western politicians and media joined together to gain the maximum propaganda value from the disaster. It had to be Russia; it had to be Putin, they said. President Obama held a press conference to claim – even before an investigation – that it was pro-Russian rebels in the region who were responsible. His ambassador to the UN, Samantha Power, did the same at the UN Security Council – just one day after the crash!
While western media outlets rush to repeat government propaganda on the event, there are a few things they will not report.
They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych. Without US-sponsored “regime change,” it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened.
The media has reported that the plane must have been shot down by Russian forces or Russian-backed separatists, because the missile that reportedly brought down the plane was Russian made. But they will not report that the Ukrainian government also uses the exact same Russian-made weapons.
They will not report that the post-coup government in Kiev has, according to OSCE monitors, killed 250 people in the breakaway Lugansk region since June, including 20 killed as government forces bombed the city center the day after the plane crash! Most of these are civilians and together they roughly equal the number killed in the plane crash. By contrast, Russia has killed no one in Ukraine, and the separatists have struck largely military, not civilian, targets.
They will not report that the US has strongly backed the Ukrainian government in these attacks on civilians, which a State Department spokeswoman called “measured and moderate.”
They will not report that neither Russia nor the separatists in eastern Ukraine have anything to gain but everything to lose by shooting down a passenger liner full of civilians.
They will not report that the Ukrainian government has much to gain by pinning the attack on Russia, and that the Ukrainian prime minister has already expressed his pleasure that Russia is being blamed for the attack.
They will not report that the missile that apparently shot down the plane was from a sophisticated surface-to-air missile system that requires a good deal of training that the separatists do not have.
They will not report that the separatists in eastern Ukraine have inflicted considerable losses on the Ukrainian government in the week before the plane was downed.
They will not report how similar this is to last summer’s US claim that the Assad government in Syria had used poison gas against civilians in Ghouta. Assad was also gaining the upper hand in his struggle with US-backed rebels and the US claimed that the attack came from Syrian government positions. Then, US claims led us to the brink of another war in the Middle East. At the last minute public opposition forced Obama to back down – and we have learned since then that US claims about the gas attack were false.
Of course it is entirely possible that the Obama administration and the US media has it right this time, and Russia or the separatists in eastern Ukraine either purposely or inadvertently shot down this aircraft. The real point is, it's very difficult to get accurate information so everybody engages in propaganda. At this point it would be unwise to say the Russians did it, the Ukrainian government did it, or the rebels did it. Is it so hard to simply demand a real investigation?
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That's actually pretty coherent for AnAn.
Investigation? But that is so BORING.
Propaganda is so much easier and fun.
Just look at Victoria Nuland and the neo-Nazi putsch.
R.I.P. objective investigative journalism!
I would not put it past the "West" to give a false electronic signal that mimicked a Ukraine cargo plane to trick the separatists into shooting down MH17. The West needs a false flag. Russia doesnt.
Our beloved gov wants to sell gas to the EU. And Russia is in the way.
According to a presentation by Golar LNG Partners, in June 2012 there were 72 new builds on order. Today the majority of the new ships under construction are in the size of 120,000–140,000 m3 But there are orders for ships with capacity up to 260,000 m3. As of end of 2011, there are 359 LNG ships engaged in the deepsea movement of LNG.[2]
LNG supertankers bitchez!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywWNJaGDyMo
And how much will this compressed and transported gas cost compared to Russia's pipeline gas? I don't understand how we can economically defeat the Russians in this unless they are absolutely ripping Europe off. I don't have the answers, but I fear Americans will end up subsidizing our European gas wars, through government subsidies to exporting producers or higher prices due to decreased relative supply.
Giant gas balloons that can be floated over to the EU?
Use our part time death drones to tow them over...
Nice idea but when you can blow the whole cargo to shit atoms with a bottle rocket, me thinks too easy - too much fun. Can never happen.
Exactly as I've said over and over...
All you Putin bashers, non of this would have happened as Ron Paul so eloquently puts it, if not for American/EU meddling, it wouldn't have happened.
Nobody pissed and moaned about bad guy Putin a yr. ago.
MSM=mission accomplished...
That is part of the game tho. The US is the world's largest sponsor of state terrorism because it can be and most of the American population likes it that way. Putin is just another top 0.01%'er sociopath. It's "our" sociopaths against the rest of the world's sociopaths. There's no other "way" it could be.
Yup.
Psychopathy is a bell curve spectrum disorder. The idea is to have control over other people, a social version of what nature does. From girls wearing tight jeans to turn a guy's head, to killing and enslaving people for their wealth, it is embedded in life.
In a pregnancy, the fetus often does battle with the mother for resources, sending out chemicals to dilate arteries feeding it. The mother responds with counteracting chemicals, constricting blood vessels.
Even a fertilized egg will cannibalize some of its own, less fit, cells.
well, to be honest the LGBT sociey has been after Putin or a while now...and we KNOW how much power they hold in US .gov and MSM
-not that there's anything wrong with it - Seinfeld
The idea that we can "demand a real investigation" is a complete farce at this point. It'll just be spewed misinformation until someone writes a book in 20 years revealing some new tidbit of mininformation.
Unfortunately, Ron will be made to look like some sort of traitorous nut job as opposed to someone merely wanting straight answers to important questions. I think our government is capable of ANYTHING to promote its interests. I certainly do not trust anything they say or do anymore.
Put PCR in that group too
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/19/happened-malaysian-airliner-p...
They were doing that during his entire campaign, i don't think he gives a fuck.
He sleeps well at night
God bless RP
Ron Paul better stay away from the nail gun aisle at Home Depot
Tomorrow's NEWSMEDIA tabloid cover:
"Did Ron Paul Shoot Down MH17??"
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I'd stay away from the whole power tool aisle. Suicides can happen with drilling a hole in your own head, or even an accident, such as accidentally cutting your own head off with a table saw.
Mur'cans will buy anything that their trusted information god, Mainstream Establishment Media, tells them to believe.
Someone needs to do a formal study on exactly what the ingredients are in special psychological sauce the MSEM uses to mind control so many people and make them so docile, naive, and credulous.
If I were that psychologist, or his grad students, I would stay the fuck away from Home Depot.
If he ended up suicided, wow.
I don't think you understand. Wow.
Maybe, but only by sellouts like Beck.
Beck likes to play up a huge "libertarian" position, then pull the rug out at the last minute, fucking everyone over.
I always wondered if he was for real, until he hammered Dr Paul. Then I KNEW he was controlled opposition.
Now the fucker wants his victims to donate to the illegals, but I do not see him putting up any tents at his large, heavily-guarded compound. Perhaps he will soon move to Guyana and get into kool-aid.
They will only proceed to blow their own cover if they try to portray Ron Paul as a "traitorous nut job" sort of like Harry Reid and Nanny Pelosi saying: "we must stop the radical agenda of those who want things to remain the same".
The sheeple who watch the MSM and know who Dr. Paul is have already been indoctrinated into the ideology of "traitorous nut job."
He's "anti-government," remember?
I've been a Ron Paul supporter for years and I am NOT anti-gov't. I am anti-power-consolidation, be it PUBLIC, or PRIVATE government.
A cartel, IMO, is a form of private government. Same rules apply.
Consolidated power is the problem, not the presence of gov't. You could put all the nutcases in the world in power and limit their budget (and ability to borrow) to ten billion dollars and they'd be as harmless as kittens, until they got the power to appropriate and the power to tax, which they would get, because they'd turn the law upsidedown by "lawyering the rules" . There is our problem.
We failed to honor the mechanisms of restraint built into our constitution, and hence the lawyering away of all the constraints on government through the years.
The only way I think you can fix this is by a constitutional amenment that provides a mechanim to prevent the erosion of the framework of a nation via lawyering it to death.
Here's what I propose. On February 29th, of every Leap Year, 50% of all lawyers in the nation will be required to participate in a national lottery, not unlike Hunger Games.
Those that draw odd numbered balls will undergo Lawyer's Run, with an identical outcome to Logan's Run.
That way we thin the lawyer herd by 50% every 4 years, to a floor of one lawyer per every 5,000 people. More than enough IMO. Also keeps the "I want to change the world for the better crowd" in check, and since these folks are just "crazy in love" with democracy, we'll have a democratic vote:
"All those in favor of culling the lawyer herd every 4 years, raise your hand please"?.
Or a competing amendment, much more aligned with Logan's Run. After someone has been a lawyer for thirty years, they step into a chamber, and *poof* , they're gone!. Considering that most senators,congressmen, and lobbyists have over thirty years in this evil craft of Satan, this will do well to limit the influence of this crafty and unholy trade of the Wordsmith.
Lawyer's Run. I like it.
Easy parcheezie.
Did anybody here have the misfortune of seeing that loopy, red-headed cunt (wife of Cass Sunstein) address the UN Security Council?
Wifey and I are heading to hospital to replace pints of blood that shot from our eyes.
Just think of Benito and Clara.
Cass and Samantha,
Benito and Clara.
See? Now you do not have to donate.
Good one lakecity55.
If this LiveLeak video is actually of MH17, the damage that's shown - starboard engine on fire, the rest of the plane looking intact, appears to be much more consistent with the damage you'd expect from a small airborne heat seeking missile like the R-60, than what you'd expect to see from a large radar guided missile from a BUK launcher.
I would think that a BUK guided missile would target the center of the fuselage rather than homing in on the hot engine exhaust, which is what appears to be what happened in this video.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aad_1405654499
Based on this video, I think there needs to be a lot more attention paid to the Ukranian fighter that was reported to be in the vicinity.
If that was real, the wing would be missing, at a minimum.
The R-60 warhead is only 6.6 pounds and the missile is heat seeking. The BUK missle warhead is 120 lbs and radar guided. Which seems more consistent with the damage you see in that video and its location?
Actually, my bad. Reading the comments on the video, it looks like it was mislabled by liveleak. It's actually video of the shoot down of a Ukrainian AN-30 by a manpad in early June.
Best. 'Americans' and their love for war toys...
Fuck You cunt. Seriously....fuck off
Seriously as seriously?
Does it read as it reads?
Somehow that is very something.
proove rest of ZH no US reader you not violent country... explain 2ND amendment. tell us how ez to get guns, ammo, shoot a nigger as a white saying its defence & be released.
explain south states. explain mexico. explain you built europ with nazis on 45....
explain all war triggered to keep standards since...
explain...
you not blank swan. so pls, not to me, now take the swan head , stick it to your ass, fart a head's paté and it eat with your fucking peanut butter & STFU.
your country is triggering WW3 so SWEEP IN YOUR FRONT DOOR 1ST MOTHER FUCKER.
in reading this report, dr. paul almost makes it seem as if there is a chance the CIA could have been responsible and the US media is inadvertantly in on the coverup.
I am confident Dr Paul does not think the rogue elements of the USG under Bankster control have anything to do with this.
Why, that Nulandstein woman was only hoping for everyone to get along in Ukraine. She even passed out food. I am sure she is using her other passport to acquire more supplies in Israel. Food and whatnot.
Now, I think it is possible Vlad is really mad at how Backdoor Barry has bested him in every contest. Perhaps he lost his temper and shot off a missile but it accidentally collided with an airplane. Taking a beating from a gay guy like Bath House would piss off a guy like Putin. If your pal, Assad, now dances sweetly with Backdoor Barry, you would be mad, too.
hahahha.
File MH17 under chickens coming home to roost. But, as always, whose chickens depends on who spins the story.
The Russians made a big mistake with the Russian Separatists. They've probably lost this battle. The Russian top 1% doesn't want to spend then next 20 years NOT being able to show-off all the Bling they've bought with their looting operations. Putin might want to go back to the cold-war, but the Russian top 1% doesn't.
So what? You know outside of the West, governments actually run the show. Did you know that? In China the government rules and the 1% obey. Same thing in Russia, if you do not comply you end with Khordorkovsky, penniless and in jail and kicked like a dog.
The Obama propaganda machine, i now believe that his delivery and content are based upon his experience as a Community Organizer in Chicago whose audience is highly reactive with limited education, Intelligence and Logic to assess and draw conclusions.
With that audience in mind - the attempt to rally world opinion assumes the entire world has the same profile as...................... South Chicago!
Party Pussy.
Time for a US Senator to fly to the region, to add their "weight" and call for an International Investigation.
Ron? Rand? Paging Dr. R. Paul to the white courtesy phone. Dr. Paul to the courtesy phone, please.
Time to put McCain on the next MH flight.
Yeah leave Dr. Paul off those planes, trains, autos, hot tubs, boats, nail guns, rail guns, AKs, ARs, hunting with Dick Cheney, whatever "vehicle" they travel over to the next world in or on.
It's pretty simple.
The politicians making political capital over this tradgedy are the scum of the earth. They really shouldn't be allowed anywhere near positions of power or responsibility because that behavior pretty much requires a sociopathic personality.
Seriously... America/Russia/Ukraine... Look at who's running your country.
How about we eliminate "positions of power and responsibility?" On the farm the best way to keep al the rats at bay is to move the feed around and not spill any...
May work with most of the rats but beware "King Rat".
.
I've been told 'bout the house on the hill.
So high and old, the house on the hill.
They say that there's a King Rat,
that wears a judge's black cap.
And I wouldn't go near that house on the hill.
The story goes, 'bout the house on the hill,
that when it snows, 'round the house on the hill,
the rat becomes a Maidan,
a soul endowed by Satan.
And I wouldn't go near that house on the hill.
As is her sin, in the house on the hill,
she lures travellers in, to the house on the hill.
Enchants them with her charms then
she falls on and devours them.
And I wouldn't go near that house on the hill.
Reading the exchanges between pro and anti US stance on this site (because very few are pro-Russian), I am noticing a few things.
1) Most of the anti-US people on this site are just hoping for the collapse (which mathematically should happen) in order to escape the clutches of the globalists.
2) Most of the pro-US commenters seem to think that our government is the lesser of the evils available in the globe.
3) Looking at RT.com and listening to Putin's past discourse on the War on Terror, it is starting to look like the 1984 scenario is already upon us. RT does not doubt the official 9-11 story, nor does their coverage of recent ISIS happenings differ from various Western news sources. If I was the leader of a nation at war with a large alliance of states, I would seize any opportunity to discredit the enemy's information outlets and to prove that they are _____ (insert negative adjective here). This has not happenned, and will not happen. In 2001, Putin used the banner of the War on Terror to destroy much of the Chechen resistance. China has acted similarly, never questioning Western reporting, and prosecuting its own wars against separatists under the very same banner.
In conclusion: WWIII is being orchestrated and choreographed now. All leaders are playing from the same book (whether they know it or not). The Dollar will be the Archduke this time. The BRICs bank will be the Black Hand.
Try not to get carried away with the Kabuki, folks. Look out for yourselves, your friends, and your family- because if you don't, who will?
Nice rant, you've got a future here at ZH.
I think the Council on Foreign Relations runs the whole show, in concert with the big banks, big oil, and big think tanks.
every major political figure is on it. it all goes back to Rockefeller, Col. House, and Wilson..........who started both the income tax and the Fed. take over the world, and get the proles to pay for it. oh, and rockefeller/carnegie et al transgerred their fortunes to tax free foundations...........just before the income tax.
everyone is coopted.
Re: everyone is coopted
The thing is when "everybody" is, it's not.
!!!
With great wealth, the Mr Bigs can create these CFR groups to come up with theories for them. Then, they salt influential positions with academics and pols who agree for whatever reason. After a number of years, only 1-2 generations, you have infiltrated everything.
A big key was the nephew guy of Freud, Bernays, who wrote about mass advertising and manipulation. Then the House guy who wrote that book on Phil Drew, Administrator (an evil fucking book).
Now, all of that was published about 100 years ago. Look at the progress of their Plan. It is almost complete.
"So easy even a billionaire can do it."
I felt the same in my gut, but you laid it out very clearly. can't argue with your logic. thanks. sadly, seems to be exacltly the deal..
Think about it. If "They" create some of the conditions, the events will happen almost as if by themselves, just like poster above said!
Mr X Ha, Putin, you guys are screwed since you have to use our system. There is no other system.
Putin (Hmm, I must think about a NEW system. I will call Xi.)
Mr Y How did it go?
Mr X I think I gave him the idea, haha. Our plans move forward.
Xi Putin, the bastards secretly bought controlling stock in our NEW system!
Putin Arm the torpedos! Full speed ahead.
Mr X: Mr Y, hurry up, I have to close the bunker door.
+ 100 lakecity, you articulated the mindset I had when I made this up and posted it...
What do you have when ALL Members of the IMF, U.N, CFR, and World Bank are buried up to their chins with sand?
A) A good start.
B) A shortage of sand.
C) Golf Balls
D) All of the Above
>PPidgin
Yes the 'clash of the titans' aka BRICS alternative Dev Bank versus the Self-Destructive TransAtlantic IMF/World Bank will leave a lot of collateral damage. Or like the familiar saying "No pain no gain", it would be wise to stay alert and watch out.
Wait, you mean we HAVEN'T always been at war with Eastasia?
Touche!
perhaps the only variable is the bit of ego-battling which occurs between members of the 'in crowd'.
Yes, Vlad Putin has been advised several times by Henry Kissinger. They met in 2009, 2012, 2013 and who knows how many other times...
It was even reported by NYTimes as here, January 19, 2012:
MOSCOW — Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin will meet Friday with former Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger to discuss world affairs, including elections in Russia and the United States, said Mr. Putin’s press secretary, Dmitri S. Peskov.
or here:
Putin, Kissinger can agree on Syria June 22, 2012 M K Bhadrakumar, specially for RIR The point is, there is a remarkable proximity between the Russian position on Syria and Kissinger’s own opinion on the subject of the “Arab Spring”. http://in.rbth.com/articles/2012/06/22/putin_kissinger_can_agree_on_syria_16034.html And Putin gave Kissinger a doctorate...The Russian Foreign Ministry said Tuesday that its diplomatic academy had bestowed an honorary doctorate upon former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who is currently on a visit to Russia.
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_10_29/Russia-always-carefully-listens-to-Kissingers-judgments-on-world-politics-Putin-4919/
They award each other as they always do (i.e. the Nobel Peace Prize for Obama) while We The People struggle, suffer and die. They meet, people is fu..ed some how or bombed "to the stone age"
(as Director Lt. General Mahmood Ahmed (Pakistan) was told by Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage on September 13, 2001... “Help us and breathe in the 21st century along with the international community or be prepared to live in the Stone Age.” Pakistan’s President Pervez Musharraf will write in a 2006 book that Armitage actually threatens to bomb Pakistan “back to the Stone Age.” - D. Khalezov)
So... It's at least naïf thinking that a real change can come from top to bottom. They're always playing perverse games on us.
Anything to be done is gonna have to be done from bottom to top. Or it's just gonna keep going as always was.
"In conclusion: WWIII is being orchestrated and choreographed now."
Exept it has nothing to do with the dollar as a reserve currency or the IMF or the BRICS' new bank.
In case you haven't figured it out by now peak oil is alive and well and doin' its thang. And that thang is driving the US Military, the CIA, and the NSA to very unAmerican behavior. For the past 20 years or longer the policy of the US has been to remove crude oil production from the hands of unfriendly naions by seizing, expropriating, confiscating their reserves or changing theri governments.
When peak oil becomes palatable in 5, 10 or 15 years, as there won't be enough oil for both capitalism and the Pentagon, the global economy will be a distant memory and the the neofeudalism of Orwell will rule.
Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.
Today we just say "who controls the oil, controls the future.
You got to give the US an A for effort in that regard.
explanation is partially ok.
peak oil past production decreasing, usa reserves decreasing, trying to secure by keep stealing from unfriendly, ok with that, but you try russia in 21th century when internet is WAY above propaganda, .govs know your going low, coz them too...
now if you try to mess up with historical friends to get some russia gaz & oil, as a 5000km away... sorry to tell you that relocalisation is the main word of economy, war or not war, it costs to cross seas, you better build again for yourself what you gave to china to build for you ( also same advice for europ ) because when a country have a choice to do, to protect itself, such china for a given economy, i bet my dick on the guillotine they will prefere sell directly to themself & near neightbors than risking expensive & uncompetitive sells coz of transit costs...
right now on aliexpress you have 200% less expensive that amazon/ebay + free ship but 15 days delivery cos of distance but boats do the job, planes too... but when an envelop will start @ 150$ to take plane, you will not order anymore from china cos the cost of total assembly+delivery will be less expensive in your own country.
some gov started to understand that, ( nordic ones, but southern, usa, europ, full of shit brains, 10000% go to wall on full oil system... well, ok... go to end of oil, instead of using the last 20 years of reserve to change the way we act, spend it in 2 years war... typically human.. waste...as usual...
i dont give A to usa to panic & mess arnound the globe to protect itself, i will give A to usa when a president will make world wide announce such " ok, now, listen, we all in danger, no more oil, we did bad, no more, now, lets go full xxxx powering, i allow infinite money to change power ressource, i engage myself to kill poverty, even the last small sick african can have his luxe & confort, it is time to be fair, cos we do not have other choice " but fuck me this days is not planned, the day i got in mind is " withing 3 year WW3. 75% pop decreasing, then we gain 100 years oil...
if you think that globe will let usa be the only survivor... wake up, just wake up. cause if brics money system is accelerating to be operational, it is not to be autonom, it is only to cut dollar legs so you cannot go full war to save YOUR economy while messing around.
you push on russia cos it is the biggest target, & you have no more time on the clock. if you fail on russia, you are 317 millions dead people.
you will never accept that, so you make mh 17 crazy stuff to trigger the unthinkable.
so as i said before to a mental, you are dangerous & violent people.
face it,
change it.
thx for reading.
Good post barre-de-rire. Some don't want to hear it, but good post.
Agree.
Trying to rationalise what is going on in this world is impossible.
All you need to know is that:
1. We live in a pyramid system.
2. There is a guy/guys at the top of the pyramid
3. The leaders of countries are not those guys.
4. When governments are indebted/insolvent, they are no longer sovereign.
5. As Radical Marijuana, poster here on ZH, keeps stating, "debt insanities will inevitibly lead to death insanities" Or, as I have heard repeated elsewhere: "Money talks and Bullshit walks"
Putin/china vs Obama/Europe are being herded into a collision against each other. They themselves probably dont even realise.
Is it so hard to simply demand a real investigation?
With trillions of dollars on the line along with world domination... Yes.
A real investigation might disclose some facts the Gubmint doesn't want us to know.
Go Ron Paul
One way or another Obama is responsible for it.
GO OBAMA!...Literally. Please go and do not come back ever.
I can't get over the GUTS Ron Paul has to speakout against the President, Congress and MSM and say that they are jumping to conclusions too fast! He is such a strong leader to speak out in defiance to the political machine no matter the consequences. He speaks out against the spiral of silence!
The spiral of silence theory describes the process by which one opinion becomes dominant as those who perceive their opinion to be in the minority do not speak up because society threatens individuals with fear of isolation.
This is the newest twist to the "False-Flag" operation. Thought they could sneak this one by, did they... Obama desperately needs a war to cover-up final implementation of his destuctive, liberal agenda. Now you know why he pulled the Iraq/ Afghan troops out pre-maturely... to make room for "The Plans".
d00d.. turn off the faux, k? your brains appear to be rather damaged enough...
We don't like Party Pussies around here.
The only things Obama "Plans" are golfing trips and fundraisers. All else is improvisation and afterthought.
Long live Ron Paul.
One very important point Ron forgot:
And I will remind you, Joe Bidens son was elected to the Board of Directors of Ukraine's largest gas company 2 days after the coup.
Almost sounds like someone............planned it!
Please don't say "elected". Hunter Biden was placed on the board of an energy company just a couple of weeks after VP Biden promised to fund Ukrainian energy exploration.
About a week earlier, Hunter's hedge fund partner, Devon Archer, was similarly elected. Devon was a top donator to Kerry's Presidential campaign. According to the WSJ, Devon Archer's college roommate is Kerry's stepson. And wouldn't you know... Devon Archer's partner in a different hedge fund is the same Christopher Heinz.
Who are the 2 main policy makers and emmissaries for the US in Ukraine.... Biden and Kerry.
The US and Europe has promised to investigate the looting of the Ukrainian people through the oligarchian thieving of its "democratic" Govt. I would say that Burisma bought protection by immunizing itself from EU and US investigation.
A real question is why hasn't the NY Times run a story on this. It is a story that got wide exposure in Europe. Makes the US look like crony hypocrites.
"A real question is why hasn't the NY Times run a story on this."
No, the question would be why you think that they would. NYT has ALWAYS cheered for war.
And, were they asking about things when the Bush administration was chalk full of energy folks (Exon, Haliburton) and invaded Iraq? Fucking NYT is staffed with neocons, that's why!
If one doesn't apply the same metrics across the board then it's fair game to accuse one of hypocrisy or Party-Pussy-ism...
It is a common weapon used by all three sides (one group didn't buy them).
It takes more then one person to pull the trigger.
You can bet everyone of the people involved are scared shitless they are gonna end up in front of a war crimes tribunal.
Someone looked up, saw a big fat target and pulled the trigger.
A grand fuck up, but in war shit happens and innocents suffer.
Sometimes even the war criminals get prosecuted to.
That's the problem with .gov constantly spinning out stupid $hit for the less-than-average news consumer...the process eventually dumbs them down to that same level and their mistakes become easier to see
sorry Paul - 90% people of the world are too stupid to think and relay on the government to think for them...
Not likely we will see the good doctor relay this on national TV.
Why do we care who did it? It was a mistake.
And whoever did it wishes they had that missile back in order to kill the right people.
Simple math. Horrible truth.
If the Kiev Neo-Nazi's did it then it likely was not a mistake.
Maximum Propaganda Value or MPV for short, bitchez.
I think the last part is important. We can only conclude that we have no idea who really shot it down until there is a full, multinational (on different sides of the issue) investigation done on it. We can all think of many different plausible scenarios (if your intellectually honest) in which any of them is guilty, intentional or not.
Personally, I kind of get sick of the western blame game on Russia and Russian separatists, but I also get sick of the knee-jerk reaction many critics of western geopolitics have of instantly calling bullshit on every single issue.
swass I thumbed you up but I get sick of people who don't call out as bullshit every word that is said in the mainstream press and mainstream western politicians. We have a very sick society at present, but I do have faith it will restore itself to health...I just don't know if that happens in my lifetime or not.
I agree with you on that too. Western media has a terrible track record of not fact checking or having healthy skepticism of government.
I just remember Operation Northwoods and then base my thinking on that.
I'm feeling like such a dipshit for falling into the first propaganda bullshit...
It's just hard to believe they sacrifice people for a fingerpointing game to lure the attention away of everything else...
It doesn't have to stay propaganda. All we need to do is work real hard to make it come true. Like Utopia for example.
Come on everybody...lets just BELIEVE!
Hope and change are so yesterday.
That's why they get away with it.
Welcome back ;-)
All of this speculation on "Was it Russia?" or "Was it Ukraine?" is ignoring more obvious suspects:
1. HAARP
2. UFO's
3. Global warming
4. Fukushima radiation
5. The Fed
6. JPM
7. Goldman
8. Hillary
9. Was Dick Cheney in the area at the time?
You forgot #10: all of the above.
The border?
Mistake Ron : the US knows exactly what and who, the Russians also know, the UKR also know. The only ones who don 't know are the citzens of the world and probably the rebels also don 't know what really happened. (Even if they did it, they were not capable to understand what they did. Those who do know cannot speak out because they all three are in a strange stranglehold with their interests.
Its the miracle of democracy where what ever the majority believes is true, magically becomes so! That's why the greatness of a politician is based on how good a liar they are. They have the power to make lies become truth.
The 'american' middle class will decide.
Thank you Ron Paul for attempting to communicate and inject some rational, logical and calm intelligent thinking into this world of slogans and propaganda.
(IMO he is very brave, I write a few comments and some articles I send to about 10 family and friends and I find it gives me anxiety but he does it every day really at the finger tips of everybody with an internet in the USA and Canada. Respect)
When Obama and friends are prosecuted for WAR CRIMES, are the people of that country punished, as well, for letting these murderers murder. In other words, instead of playing on ZH, I should be doing something about this. Problem is, I don't know what to do. Do you?
Instead of being an armchair patriot, I should be out doing something, anything, but what can I do? What can I do?
you could copy your ideas to cd-r and flash drives and leave these media lying around your locale.
Most people don't want to know, they're either mentally incapable and stuck in the matrix or they're scared so they deny. I started thinking of myself as a soldier, a soldier of truth (I am a big fan of Peter Tosh he had a guitar shaped like an AK at one point, then from a Stepen Marley Song, "we are soldiers in Jah Army). I think of it a battle because its so fucking tiring that nobody cares. I look for moments to drop truth bombs that make people question the narrative.
When I did this for a while I realized how strong the propaganda really is. I don't know about you but where I live nobody is digging in for any physical battle, but our oppressors are fighting a war against civilians every day, both physical and emotional. You can't give up you have to fight and keep on fighting or they win, but you can't take it to them with force or they'll kill you quickly or lock you up. So we have to fight to keep the truth alive despite being ignored, dismissed as wack job conspiracy theorists.
People really don't want to know usually and you'll exhaust them and push them away if come at them too hard, so find moments to drop truth bombs, or light hearted ridicule of a situation that illustrates the ridiculousness and hypocrisy of matters seems to be effective over time.
Just my two cents...cause it freaks me the fuck out the way things are to be honest.
Unfortunately waking up is a long step by step process. If you try to accelerate the process, you can loose a best friend because you are seen as a nut case.
Thank God for those who want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. If we ever give up on that we are doomed. What we need now is a political party that puts truth above all else, above party, above politics, and above ideology. We are sick to death of the grotesque spin, the lies, the fabricated evidence, listening to those in power trying to create or hide facts so that their story fits the ideological narative and the hidden agenda.
ALL wars are about resources. It is highly unlikely that there are anything other than a few people who KNOW that there's NOTHING that can be done other than TAKE from others. At this point, given that none of this is in the US's backyard, and it IS in Russia's, that the one on the offense is the US, which then follows that it is the US that is desperate for resources (perhaps to ensure that their market participants have them so that the market structures stay intact). So... with this in mind what will YOU/I/ANY OR US do? No mortals can create matter.
BTW - During the last POTUS people called out for him to face war crimes. Bush was sought for impeachment. And now the very same thing happens. And no results. Why? Because no one is serious, any motions/movements are controlled by the "opposition," which is only looking to get in to the power seat. Either get rid of the power seats or continue to forever run around trying to figure out how come things don't change (other than the color the gangs fly).
This is too important..........Therefore you won't get a real investigation. Or at least you won't be able to learn what was in it.
Rotten to the fucking core.
RON PAUL KICKS SOME ASS AGAIN!!!!! UK has Nigel Farage and the rest of the Western World nothing.... Merkel kicked the butt of US spies... They better NOT attempt to kill Ron Paul or it will be a reaaaaalll mess in the US, with man to man street gun fights...I suppose.
A real investigation coming with real conclusions, going in the real direction.
Funny how Paul lined up the reasons why 'americans' are not involved in this hit on a passenger flight. Everything is worthwhile when it comes to cover for the 'american' middle class.
Any news is pounced on immediately to distract . The worlds economic condition is made out of????
paper and can't hold up so ANY news is INFLATED to keep people mesmerized
You mean the media and western governments controlled by Jews lied again? At the same time Israel is butchering little kids yet again? All for a New World Order aka centralized government, run by you know who?
How many times must one see the same movie? Just shut your mouth and keep paying kosher tax on everything you eat, dumb goy.
Nice to see one of our newer commenters in the "flesh"....I thought if they are around for mere weeks that they had to be trollish...
It was actually an ad which just coincidentally was running next to Mr. Dandy's profile page. My apologies ...
I think something more than just an apology is due.
I like George but gotta agree with you. As the label says, that is 1 evil trick!
Can George get Tyler to take it down and associated responses? Maybe Sacrilege can get it done?
Still laughing though. Got tears in my eyes.
Edit: Still laughing. He is named "Dandy." That relationship stuff with it, the kid looks like chicken hawk bait, he is labeled as a trick, just too much.
another "smooth boy" noob... oh goody...
...peace...
Is he wearing a yarmulke?
You know those four children slaughtered on the beaches by the Jews? Reported tonight that the Jews shelled and destroyed their parents' home today. Fuck Israel and the bible that everyone thinks excuses them.
Did anybody see the Senator Graham interview on the Sunday morning talk shows? His upper lip goes up, scornfully, like an electric garage door.
Not just that, his chocolate aperture has a remote-conrolled hatch for easy access by Backdoor Barry.
This is a great, level-headed piece by Dr. Paul.
“Two centuries ago, a former European colony decided to catch up with Europe. It succeeded so well that the United States of America became a monster, in which the taints, the sickness and the inhumanity of Europe have grown to appalling dimensions."
— Franz Fanon
I think the Butler did it.
On July 2, 2013 a taboo came silently to an end with the implementation of a new law passed in January. For decades a so-called anti-propaganda law prevented the U.S. government's mammoth broadcasting arm from delivering programming to American audiences.
This new law unleashes thousands of hours per week of government-funded radio and TV programs for domestic U.S. consumption. This was criticized by many human rights activist as a green light for U.S. domestic propaganda efforts and in my opinion it is already being felt. More on this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/when-propaganda-and-surveillance....
Making it "legal" is just a way of rubber stamping what the global criminals have already been doing for quite some time
They come out in the open and admit it now because they think they've won. They're actually a bunch of gutless pussies that would never do something out in the open unless they thought they were guaranteed a win. Shine enough light on them that they claim to seek and they'll scurry like cockroaches
However, I don't see any new millenia III%'ers shining their light bright enough yet.
So for now Freedom's stage IV cancer continues to metastasize rapidly around the globe
State-Sponsored Circumlocutions.
Where's Reagan when you need him...
the last time a decent person was president was jimmy carter. yeah, i know. you are all going to get on the case. he was weak, he was, this and that. but- he was decent and aware that there are other human beings on the planet, and just nuking everybody isn't any sort of progress for humanity.
Carter was weak only in the face of the despicable evil being perpetrated by Kissinger in delaying the Iranian hostage release so as to maximize the popularity of Ronald Reagan.
His televised statement on what aiks America was pretty much on the money in my view.
I agree, a decent human being, but he gave away the Panama Canal. A good bar bet is that Milhouse was the father of the 55 mph speed limit, the embargo, wage and price freezes, and generally just shit in our grits. I haven't met a barfly yet that doesn't blame the 55 mph on Carter. Oh and I don't want to forget about him continuing Viet Nam until forced to get out. If I believed in religion I'd brand FDR-LBJ-RMN the REAL holy trinity of anti-Christs.
Their legacies are choking us still but we need more funerals of those types of scum, and the list is long.
He did also foresee the coming financial collapse brought on by a constant war for oil, simply put he asked Americans to live within their means, I think a much maligned president. 2 of his speaches that ring true today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lHplhMChZQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tPePpMxJaA
try JFK.
Carter was a bankster puppet like all after JFK
Jimmy Carter put Volcker in charge to clean up the mess that Nixon and his lackey (Burns) had made. Carter could not possibly win with the impact of Nixon closing the Gold window and Burns expanding the monetary base at the same time. But he put Volcker in charge and it paid off and killed inflation for a while.
Volcker said he attached great importance to the Independence of the Fed and thought that by saying that, Carter would not go for his candidacy. The opposite happened.
Carter did not have much luck with the sandstorm, nor with the combined effects of middle east war, Burns and oil prices...
But he was an intelligent president and is a decent man.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-20/how-volcker-launched-his-attack...
All by himself Jimmy The Peanut overturned the anti-usury laws and sent interest rates into the 20s. He didn't clean up the mess or roll in Nixon's shit, he shit himself.
Ron Paul 2016, I wrote him in the last two elections.
The points that Ron Paul is making are not as important as the fact that Ron Paul is questioning hs own country's leadership.
I often wonder whether he and Paul Craig Roberts will ever see the day that America eventually recognizes the enemy as being its own institutions.....and in particular the owners of the FED which have enabled the financing of every financial, military and social cancer ridden experiment conceivable.
I like Ron Paul for two reasons, he speaks alone, no other politician seems to want anything to do with him.
He was a medical doctor, helped deliver life into this world.
He has the courage to say what he says as it is truth, in this lie infested world, he is an aberration.
He deserves our support. I don't care much for Sarah Palin, but hope she succeeds in impeaching the golf and teleprompter expert from his throne.
Ooooooh, I want to be ON her!
http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/print-cov...
what ZH'ers understand is that the world will smolder in a heap of nuclear ash before putin let's himself get pushed around by the neocons.
the not too bright vs. putin blackwater is the culprit.
SO WHY DIDN'T HE BLAME THE JEWS, LIKE THEY DID HERE?
YOU JACKASSES BLAMING JEWS, THE CIA, OR THE UKRANIANS ARE JUST AS IDIOTIC AS THOSE BLAMING RUSSIA OR THEIR LACKEYS....
Well, the Shin Beit former officers are in control of the Israeli owned airport security company based in The Netherlands, ICTS, as they are at the Schipol Airport... as they are elsewhere in cases of infamous 'security' situations such as the Xmas '09 "Underwear Bomber" who was allowed to slip past their detectors to board that Detroit bound NW flight... though no one at Homeland Security seems to have minded in the least, so exactly who is overseeing this flase flag op yafterall? The Malaysian connection is interesting given their lack of support for Israeli genocide in Palestine.. something they've spoken of for years... funny Boeing hasn't said much about any tampering of their aircraft control systems... so many connections all pointing to psychopaths pushing their NWO/Global Police State to its Final Solution.... the elimination of everyone that isn't one of them.
Too bad cannot say, like father, like son!...
might have a fighting chance
I'm afraid that acorn fell from the tree with little of Dad's DNA, I know he was exposed to the correct freedom philosophy.
They are both in the club. You and I are not in the big club. Tack left/tack right, they have their bread buttered both ways.
Regardless of who's behind the downing of MH 17, I know one thing FOR CERTAIN...
I am NEVER flying Malaysian Airlines again.
I don't know who is was that cast Malaysian airlines into the role of Archduke Ferdinand for this recent global theatrical spectacle, but I'm quite certain they should have secured a Hollywood Casting Consultant first...
well son. i beleive it was malaysia that convicted certain people of war crimes. not cool.
but they have the best planes...
YES! I totally forgot about that... The neocon war criminals could be striking back against Malaysia.
2+2=4
Some Monday afternoon humor - from a Cartoon News Network - Breaking News email a few minutes ago:
"...Meanwhile, a CNN/ORC International poll indicated that nearly nine in 10 Americans surveyed said that Moscow and pro-Russian separatists would try to cover something up in any international investigation of the crash. Just 19% in the survey held a favorable opinion of Russia, down from 41% in February..."
Funny as hell. One has to wonder if they are "cherry picking" their numbers to placate their Obummer regime masters. Too bad they did not a ask if DC, Ukraine, NATO, EU or the Easter Bunny would attempt to cover something up as well! ROFL!
What a pathetic excuse for an alleged news organization.