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Ron Paul: What The Press Isn't Reporting About The MH17 Disaster
Authored by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute,
Just days after the tragic crash of a Malaysian Airlines flight over eastern Ukraine, Western politicians and media joined together to gain the maximum propaganda value from the disaster. It had to be Russia; it had to be Putin, they said. President Obama held a press conference to claim – even before an investigation – that it was pro-Russian rebels in the region who were responsible. His ambassador to the UN, Samantha Power, did the same at the UN Security Council – just one day after the crash!
While western media outlets rush to repeat government propaganda on the event, there are a few things they will not report.
They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych. Without US-sponsored “regime change,” it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened.
The media has reported that the plane must have been shot down by Russian forces or Russian-backed separatists, because the missile that reportedly brought down the plane was Russian made. But they will not report that the Ukrainian government also uses the exact same Russian-made weapons.
They will not report that the post-coup government in Kiev has, according to OSCE monitors, killed 250 people in the breakaway Lugansk region since June, including 20 killed as government forces bombed the city center the day after the plane crash! Most of these are civilians and together they roughly equal the number killed in the plane crash. By contrast, Russia has killed no one in Ukraine, and the separatists have struck largely military, not civilian, targets.
They will not report that the US has strongly backed the Ukrainian government in these attacks on civilians, which a State Department spokeswoman called “measured and moderate.”
They will not report that neither Russia nor the separatists in eastern Ukraine have anything to gain but everything to lose by shooting down a passenger liner full of civilians.
They will not report that the Ukrainian government has much to gain by pinning the attack on Russia, and that the Ukrainian prime minister has already expressed his pleasure that Russia is being blamed for the attack.
They will not report that the missile that apparently shot down the plane was from a sophisticated surface-to-air missile system that requires a good deal of training that the separatists do not have.
They will not report that the separatists in eastern Ukraine have inflicted considerable losses on the Ukrainian government in the week before the plane was downed.
They will not report how similar this is to last summer’s US claim that the Assad government in Syria had used poison gas against civilians in Ghouta. Assad was also gaining the upper hand in his struggle with US-backed rebels and the US claimed that the attack came from Syrian government positions. Then, US claims led us to the brink of another war in the Middle East. At the last minute public opposition forced Obama to back down – and we have learned since then that US claims about the gas attack were false.
Of course it is entirely possible that the Obama administration and the US media has it right this time, and Russia or the separatists in eastern Ukraine either purposely or inadvertently shot down this aircraft. The real point is, it's very difficult to get accurate information so everybody engages in propaganda. At this point it would be unwise to say the Russians did it, the Ukrainian government did it, or the rebels did it. Is it so hard to simply demand a real investigation?
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Before Iraq, 90% were in favor of invasion, if you didn't agree you were thought of as traitor.
Then as now, the majority was wrong as they based their misplaced patriotism on opinion, not fact.
But they have tubes of mass destructions? We have photos of what the tubes might look like. Yellow cake!!
I remember talking with a friend at the time about going in after Saddam. He was against it. We need to get rid of Saddam, and it won't more than three weeks, I said. Fool me once.
And the opinions are only parroted from what they see on msm, based on lies.
(The lie being that they have presented 'proof beyond a doubt' that the Russians are responsible for the shoot-down.)
Its very similar to the man-made-global-warming claim that 'the science is settled, and anyone who says differently is a 'denier' " (which means they must also be a 'holocaust denier' and thus a Nazi and a raaayyyycist). This crap is so obvious . . . it would take real dummies to fall for it.
The most likely reason was that some trigger happy paranoid guys fired the SAMs at the wrong target. Oops. Now finger pointing starts. No smoking gun yet so the theories run wild.
National MSM TV News so smug about reading their Obama written scripts, dismissing every Russian claim. Let's hope the truth comes out.
Ron....http://i.minus.com/iKD0Oo2ad83VE.gif
From RT>
The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.
At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to Russia’s Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.
I'm no expert on the trajectories of satellites, but is it not a strange coincidence that the US satellite was in that location at that time?? Was it there to collect evidence or intel and pass it on to the perps??
The more I know about this incident and the massive propaganda campaign launched by Washington and its marionette in London, the more I lean towards thinking that Washington/Langley's hands are all over it.
What makes you think that London is the marionette? Who do you think was behind the founding of the Federal Reserve?
Who owns the majority shares in all the US MIC corps?
Nothing directly to do with the Fed Reserve as far as I can see.
If one excludes Western MSM which is spewing anti-Putin/Russia propaganda relentlessly, the other country "leader" doing it more than any other is David Cameron in London. Some of the statements he has made in Parliament, to the EU and to the MSM are quite outrageous. As far as he is concerned, Putin is guilty of orchestrating this incident. No evidence presented yet, but MSM don't need that.
It would be dereliction if the US didn't have satellites scrutinizing everything from Kiev to Medina AND sharing it with all interested members of the UN, which happens to include Russia. This is sheep shit.
For a crime to be committed there has to be a motive. In the case of MH17, Russia and the Separatists had no motive; The Ukraine Nazis, the US and EU had a big motive - to pin it on Russia and the Separatists. Case closed.
Oh, and everything else Ron Paul wrote in this article is 100% true.
Right wing radio guy was saying, "now(after plane shot down) maybe Europeans will get behind economic sanctions against Russia". This was after acknowledging that Russia supplies most of Europe's energy. He parroted McCain who said, "Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country". I have to think that the U.S. directly or through proxy had that plane shot down as a means to get Germany behind sanctions.
The UN Security Council meeting on this matter was very telling. The tragedy was hardly 24 hours old and you have bozos calling for condemnation of Russia before anyone had any good information. Of course, you had the obligatory "our hearts go out to the victims..." BS prior to our diplomats using those dead people as political ammunition against Russia. Disgusting. I hope there is a reckoning.
McCain is a piss boy, masquerading as a politician.
Just got back from getting another six-pack and another AM right-wing radio host was saying that Ron Paul is a fascist in reference to this article. I can't help but think that with the ferocity that the red team/blue team is attacking this plane crash issue that things are unraveling fairly quickly.
Ron Paul is a mystery.
The man has proven he is utterly smart.
But this post from Paul is utterly stupid on purpose.
This man has intrigued me and I can't figure him out yet.
How could a man be brilliant and ignorant simultaneously, unless on purpose?
Welcome:
WHY do so many IDIOTS feel that poster's worth is judged by how long he has been posting??
How choldish and pathetic.
I guess when you can't refute something with facts, you feel compelled to engage in stupid attacks....
As the system breaks down, more people will come here to seek an alternative view that is impossible to find on mainstream media. They should be welcomed.
As to the motivations for someone's stated opinions ? It really doesn't matter. If they voice an opinion that is unsound, others will point that out. If their views have merit, they will carry the day.
I was very frequent commenter until June last year and took one year off.
Zerohedge replied that they can't reactivate my old account, so made new one
This is your first night back at fight club. Refer to the 8th rule of fightclub.
Perhaps because the prior poster that GW justifiably considered a newby to fight club, failed to share the specific things in Ron's column that he considered stupid, which is stupid because it doesn't add any light to the discussion, just minor heat.
Why is it stupid?
Saying that separatists do not have training to operate Buk is misleading on purpose, and looking stupid on purpose, because he is not stupid, he is super bright.
War has been going on for months already.
Training took place during these months.
What do you know about the training needed to operate the BUK anti air defense missile system ? What do you know about the resources needed to run that system ?
If you have hard evidence, we'd like to see it.
Fair point.
Paul should have provided evidence that it takes X years of training to operate Buk, hence impossible for separatists to use them.
Also, russians could have been operating them. Ron Paul does not mention that possibility
Yes, both Paul and you should present evidence as to what is needed to run a BUK system.
The Russians claim that a US intel satellite was in the area at the time of the shooting and they should release the intel on what took place. The US should provide such intel if they are making accusations against the Russians or separatists.
It has been reported that a 'whistle blower' in US intel says that the US satellite intel indicates that Ukraine military forces shot down the plane, and its likely that they were undisciplined and possibly drunk. This has not been reported anywhere else, and time will tell if this story has any truth to it or not:
http://www.infowars.com/whistleblower-u-s-satellite-images-show-ukrainia...
My own opinion is - - - we need hard evidence to say who is responsible. We don't have that yet.
Cooperation between the Ukraine, Russia, and the russian rebels is not going to happen any time soon. If you can't have basic dialog, your "side" is going to be telling the truth and your opponents are spewing propaganda. Thats why the reporting is so vastly different between what the "west" is hearing and seeing, and what the Russian population is hearing and seeing. All sides want proof. None of the sides involved will believe the other sides proof.
The big difference between Russia and the West is at the MSM level. RT has worldwide access to broadcast the views of the Kremlin...including within the continental United States, yet very little to no critical reporting at the MSM level within Russia exists for oppositional views of the current ruling government. Perhaps Voice of America is still operating an ancient radio transmitter or two, but I seriously doubt it's message is being heard by even a small fraction of 1% of it's targeted population.
Regarding the Buk AA system, it's capabilities, and who is capable of operating such a system: This article, http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2014-07/ukraine-flugzeug-buk which is in german but can be translated through google, paints a
realistic report as to what it takes to operate a Buk missile system, who can operate such a system, and what likely went wrong when the system was targeted at Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. Very straight foward analysis that is worth a read.
No it isn't. The Sep forces only recently captured the BUK unit (from the Ukrainian nationalist forces!) and yesterday a Russian General and BUK expert clearly stated that they weren't trained on that sophisticated hardware to use it properly. The UkNat forces were properly trained and had units in range. It's germane!
Paul ended his article "At this point it would be unwise to say the Russians did it, the Ukrainian government did it, or the rebels did it. Is it so hard to simply demand a real investigation?"
Lucia Graves translates that to "Ron Paul is Putins new best friend"
http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/ron-paul-is-putin-s-new-best-fri...
I guess that's what you get when you try to stay levelheaded and excercise caution.
Foreign policy is where I part company with libertarians. Ron Paul might very well be insane. regardless, the notion that Russia is entitled to any kind of deference is absurd. I have been to Russia many times and I find them to be largely a nation of drunkards, semi-retarded (from fetal alcohol poisoning) and criminials. Putin is little more than the head of an organized crime family. The fact that Obama doesn't understand any of this only proves his utter imcompetence as a human being. Among nation states, power is all that matters. Putin being a career criminal understands this perfectly well. Obama, being a metrosexual moron, does not.
So... leave the drunken retards alone.
What's so difficult to understand?
"I have been to Russia many times and I find them to be largely a nation of drunkards, semi-retarded (from fetal alcohol poisoning) and criminials"
Well I have been to the US too and find that Americans are also drunkards, retards and a most stupid nation for having allowed criminals to run their Government and themselves.
And if you can call Ron Paul insane I wonder what one can call you!
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I believe the word you're looking for is retarded.
This administration lies about absolutely everything (big and small) so there's no logical reason to believe them this time in laying blame for the downing of MH17 at Russia's front door.
In addition, it's implausible to think the U.S. is not working behind the scenes in Ukraine and because of this it's perfectly logical to assume the U.S. played a role in taking down MH17 (and it wouldn't be the first time the U.S. was involved in shooting down a commercial airliner).
So how come if the western media won't tell me any of this stuff, I can remember reading all of these things being reported in the New York Times and Washington Post? Not that they had the same take on some of these points as Mr. Paul - but there isn't one thing he claims here that hasn't been reported (whether as a fact or as something alleged by one person or another) all over in the western media. These "what they don't want you to know" conspiracy theories are tiresome, especially when they are so easily disproved. Pick any one of Ron Paul's "they aren't telling you" points and enter it into a Google search, and you will find a dozen western media outlets reporting and talking about the specific point he claims is being "hidden" from you.
Its a matter of emphasis and tone. Yes, of course, you can find this information if you look for it. If not, we couldn't have this discussion.
Those who run the media know that the public remembers that which is pounded on constantly with emotionalism. The other side of an argument can be delivered with a smirk - - - but that's not really balanced.
Get it ?
Show me an article in the major US news publication that mentions any one of Ron Paul's talking points in the same article as MH17
There's now info out that the Ukrainian air force has bombed the Malaysian experts' column of cars close to the border with Russia.
http://www.novorosinform.org/news/id/3702
BTW, BBC Ukraina is not the British channel of lies, propaganda, deception and early calls on collapsing buildings, it stands for VVS Ukraina as in Ukrainian Air Force.
1984 has no truth. Only the facts...IF you see them for yourself. The only fact I KNOW is that a plane has crashed and people are dead as a result. The rest is...SPIN.
What would Redd Foxx say?
What would Redd Foxx say?
"ain't nothin' uglier than an old White woman".?
"Beauty may be skin deep, but ugly goes clear to the bone."
-Redd Foxx
Is it so hard to simply demand a real investigation?...
P.S.
Why didn't I demand a real investigation of 9/11 after the Commission Report 2004 when the majority in the House knew it was a lie and would lead to broader conflicts elsewhere in the Middle East... But at least I'm writing this today to let you know that if I had to do it over again -I would have done the right thing with the single most important event in this century that changed everything!...
No really... Honest!
I'll bet they would have jumped at the chance to make you happy.
He's always called for more investigation into 911...
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-09-02/ron-paul-supports-911-families-cal...
Occam's razor beeocth's.
1) Establish IMF alternative.
2) Encounter multiple attacks to distablize such endeavour.
Timing's everything. We're not done here by a long shot. Russia's going to encounter an onslaught of financial "challenges" before this is over.
And watch what happens to the other BRICS that SURELY will not get reported.
Though kinda hard NOT to report a major Chinese US Treasuries bond dump in the coming weeks. Bill Gross must be drinking heavily on his yacht in Newport Beach right about now.
This site has become overrun by some bizarre folks. I'm out. I'm not an Obama fan by any stretch as many know but I'm sure as hell not backing a former KGB agent in Putin's and his story.
I'm pretty sure that 99% of the people here want to learn the truth, and are generally not happy with those who have assigned blame even in the absence of any facts.
I'm out. I'm not an Obama fan by any stretch as many know but I'm sure as hell not backing a former KGB agent in Putin's and his story....
EAA
And just who was agent of the CIA that became President in 1988?... Just remember the President after Ronald Reagan that put us on the trajectory we are on now and who wanted to see Russia completely neutered after we outspent them "winning" the Cold War?!!! Remember the infamous "Chicken Kiev" speech at the close of his term??!!!
Oh forgot!
If Bush were Putin I'd ask for a third term!
Equivocating the communist Soviet Union (Russia) and China for that matter with the US is not historically accurate.
Equivocating the communist Soviet Union (Russia) and China for that matter with the US is not historically accurate.
EAA
You proved you're a fucking idiot. Congratulations!
Equivocating Russia with the communist Soviet Union is ignorant at best.
But hey, for people who lack the ability to distinguish between right and wrong, it's easier to stick with the comfort of brainwashing.
"Equivocating"?
Do not use big words when you are clueless.
To equivocate is to use vague language, so as to avoid honesty - which you are unwittingly doing.
The word you should have used is "equating" and, in fact, there is a lot of similarity between what Ronnie Raygun called "The Evil Empire" and the Washington Empire, even back when there was still was the Soviet Union with show trials, quite like McCarthy trials in the US.
The Soviet Union is no more, but the Washington Empire remains on a global rampage on a scale the Soviets never dreamed of and Putin has zero interest in.
Why back anybody? Assuming that every conflict has a "good guy" and a "bad guy" isn't necessarily a good assumption.
We're not backing anyone. We're backing the Truth. That's what we want. The truth. The whole truth and nothing but the fucking truth. That's all. Simple.
9/11 taught us that it was possible to take over commercial aircraft and turn them into a serious weapon, with all control in the hands of the cockpit personnel.
Flight MH370 apparently behaved erractically at first, as if though there was a struggle for control, then is speculated to have drifted off to its demise on autopilot.
Flight MH17 appeared to drift off course and into harms way, though no evidence yet of a control struggle.
Perhaps control can be achieved remotely, so as to prevent a 9/11, or achieve other goals...
9/11 taught us that it was possible to take over commercial aircraft and turn them into a serious weapon, with all control in the hands of the cockpit personnel. ... Perhaps control can be achieved remotely, so as to prevent a 9/11, or achieve other goals...
Perhaps we can have scientists and engineers at NIST and FEMA who take their oaths to science (especially Newton's third law of motion) and the rule of law above the "bribes" they received to deliver fraud in the 9/11 Commission Report?
I'm not going to question whether you are a troll -so I'll leave it there!
There were NO PLANES.
Please, don't insult our intelligence.
Uh, You got your tin foil hat on backwards..
The question now is how. We know who. Nanothermite or nuclear. Military planes in disguise?. Missiles and some fancy photoshopping. Most floors were empty (asbestos) and some are saying there were no victims, which is of course, not true. Hollywood screen writers have been hard at work making fools of us all. Who sold stock in airlines the day before? That list should be printed and made available to everyone. This nonsensical theatre to advance an agenda will end in an abomination of desolation; it is just a matter of when. We didn't survive all these years by following the weak links in the chain. A nagging feeling that all is not right takes front and center...until we resume normalcy, and all of our ducks are in a row. It's human nature. Prepare for blast off. Or
Disarm
http://mreadz.net/new/index.php?id=60852
According to NBC news, Russia media reporting that CIA planned out this whole deal.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-plane-crash/russian-media-downed-airliner-cia-did-it-n161376
Yeah, except NBC offers no proof, and in fact, the video report on the page contradicts the headline. It says Putin is waiting for the facts to come in.
Well Bob looks like NBC finally got one right for a change in the last 13 years!
We're on the precipice.
It really doesn't matter who shot down MH17, except to declare who is "Axis" and who is "Allies"...
But if we get any link at all to the Gaza situation, it's on. World War 3.
Doesn't matter who did it you say???
Actually d it most certainly does. I'll use the best logic of all and I don't need Ron Paul to spell it out for me.
This event wouldn't have happened and those people on board that airplane along with the 500 indigenous dead in Eastern Ukraine would still be alive if a democratically elected Viktor Yanukovych were still in power and hadn't been ousted by a multi-billion USD funded project courtesy of Exxon/Mobil Chevron and the gaggle of NGO(s) led by George Soros and his IMF buddies.
Peter Hitchens - 21 July 2014 4:28 PM - Mail Online...
The Laws of War explained
Whose fault is this?
It is a simple matter of the normal rules of engagement between countries that the nation which first unleashes violence, and which by any means forces its power into disputed, non-aligned or neutral territory is a) the aggressor, b) has licensed matching behaviour by its opponent, c) is ultimatelyresponsible for the later acts of violence which take place because armed conflict has begun. Arithmetic, geometry and geography all show that there is no question but that the EU began this conflict by its open encouragement of unconstitutional lawlessness in Kiev...
Why Ukraine really, really matters to the USA
It’s useful, at this point, to recall words written by Zbigniew Brzezinski (Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser, and the unsung architect of Moscow’s doomed intervention and eventual downfall in Afghanistan). He wrote in his 1997 book The Grand Chessboard: "Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire."
"However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources as well as access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia."
Now do you see why this might be important?...
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2014/07/a-plea-for-restraint-on-t...
Goodbye Everybodys All ... I wish everybody who does not like ZH would be as noble as you and just go away, instead of bothering all who value this informative site with their negative comments.
Another reason to target this particular airliner?
http://qz.com/238171/the-netherlands-can-choose-to-squeeze-russias-econo...
It’s no accident that Netherlands is one Russia’s largest offshore-financial centers—it has actively welcomed capital flows from multinational companies seeking to avoid taxes and scrutiny, and it just so happens many of those companies are Russian, often with ties to the Kremlin. That capital is useful for a small country like the Netherlands, but if investigators are able to prove allegations of Russian involvement in the air disaster, it will put the Netherlands’ financial sector in an uncomfortable bind: Can it be a banker to Russia’s biggest companies while Putin’s regime supports groups that murder Dutch citizens?
Russia in that case did not have the motive to kill Dutch citizens. The US, however, had the motive to show the Netherlands the "consequences" of being Russia's offshore financial center. The US is trying to squeeze Russia economically without much of a success. So it's time for violent foul play.
The US has never had any problem killing innocent civilians, including its own citizens (to wit: the 9/11 false flag op).
I would go further to posit that the US was behind the disappearance of Malaysian airliner MH370 a few months ago. Multiple motives - to retaliate against Malaysian War Crime Commission's conviction of GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld etc of war crimes in Iraq; to kill Chinese engineers who were patent holders of some key technology the US wanted; to test or demonstrate war time application of remote control technology on large civilian airliners...
People who have been diligently following international affairs and understood the mafia nature of the US government have little difficulty realizing right away that MH17 was done by the US puppet govt in Kiev, with full endorsement of the US govt itself.