Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East, Radar Proof Of Warplanes In MH17 Vicinity

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Ukraine hasn’t said how it immediately knew rebels downed Malaysian plane, notes the Russian Foreign Ministry, as it unveils 10 awkward questions for Ukraine (and perhaps the US 'snap judgment') to answer about the MH17 disaster. However, what is perhaps more concerning for the hordes of finger-pointers is that:

  • RUSSIA HAS IMAGES OF UKRAINE DEPLOYING BUK ROCKETS IN EAST: IFX
  • RUSSIA: UKRAINE MOVED BUK NEAR REBELS IN DONETSK JULY 17: IFX
  • RUSSIA DETECTED UKRAINIAN FIGHTER JET PICK UP SPEED TOWARD MH17

Obviously, if there is proof that this is so, aside from CIA-created YouTube clips, these would deal another unpleasant blow to US foreign policy.

The Russian defense ministry during its press conference which concluded minutes ago:

 

Here is the full clip of the Russian ministry releasing its own forensic analysis of what happened to flight MH17 (with English translation).

 

Russia wants to know why Ukraine moved its BUK missiles systems the day of the MH17 crash:

  • RUSSIAN GENERAL STAFF HAS SPACE IMAGES OF SECTORS OF UKRAINIAN FORCES' POSITIONS IN SOUTHEASTERN UKRAINE, INCLUDING BUK MISSILE LUNCH SITES 8 KILOMETERS FROM LUHANSK - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY - interfax

The day the Malaysian airliner crashed, the Ukrainian forces deployed an air defense group of three or four Buk-M1 missile batteries near Donetsk, Lt. Gen. Andrei Kartapolov, head of the Russian General Staff's Main Operations Department, told reporters on Monday.

 

"These surface-to-air systems are capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 35 kilometers at an altitude of 22 kilometers. For what purpose and against whom were these missile systems deployed? As is known, the militia has no aviation," he said.

Russia has the flight paths of the Ukrainian fighters and MH17. Furthermore, it is asking the same question we asked last Thurday:

  • RUSSIA SAYS MH17 DIVERGED 14 KM FROM FLIGHT PATH NEAR DONETSK

And wants to know why. The image (as seen in the presentation above) allegedly shows Ukraine fighter jets near MH17:

Here is a screengrab of a Su-25 fighter jet detected close to MH17 before crash.

As RT reports,

“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

 

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.

 

“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

 

The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

And asks for US proof of their accusations:

  • RUSSIA SAYS U.S. SATELLITE FLEW OVER MH17 AT TIME IT WAS DOWNED... which would provide all the proof needed to show who is responsible  - so why hasn't the US explained this or shown it? 
  • RUSSIA ASKS U.S. FOR EVIDENCE ROCKET FIRED FROM REBEL-HELD AREA
  • RUSSIA: NO U.S. PROOF THAT MISSILE FIRED FROM REBEL-HELD AREA
  • DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS RUSSIA DID NOT DELIVER ANY SA-11 BUK MISSILE SYSTEMS TO SEPARATISTS IN EASTERN UKRAINE "OR ANY OTHER WEAPONS"

And went on to rebuke all the Twitter photos created by Maidan to 'prove' the BUKs were moving in Russian hands.

Additionally, as Russia noted using what appears to be legitimate photographic evidence (something the west has so far failed to provide in any capacity) MH17 crashed within the operating zone of the Ukrainian army’s self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air ‘Buk’ missile systems, the Russian general said.

“We have space images of certain places where the Ukraine’s air defense was located in the southeast of the country,” Kartapolov noted.

The first three shots that were shown by the general are dated July 14. The images show Buk missile launch systems in about 8km northwest of the city of Lugansk – a TELAR and two TELs, according to the military official.

Another image shows a radar station near Donetsk.

Radar stations of the air defense in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryRadar stations of the air defense in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

 

While the third picture shows the location of the air defense systems near Donetsk, he explained. In particular, one can clearly see a TELAR launcher and about 60 military and auxiliary vehicles, tents for vehicles and other structures, he elaborated.

Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryBuk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 14, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

 

“Images from this area were also made on July 17. One should notice that the missile launcher is absent [from the scene]. Image number five shows the Buk missile system in the morning of the same day in the area of settlement Zaroschinskoe – 50km south of Donetsk and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk," the Kartapolov said.

No Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryNo Buk missile defense units in Donetsk Region, 5km north of Donetsk city, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry


Buk missile defense units in Zaroschinskoe, 50km south of Donetsk city and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense MinistryBuk missile defense units in Zaroschinskoe, 50km south of Donetsk city and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry

The question that has to be answered is why the missile system appeared in the area controlled by the local militia forces shortly before the catastrophe, he stated.

* * *

Summing it all up, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has 10 questions for Ukraine (google translated)

The global public expects a speedy and independent investigation into the causes of the disaster Malaysian aircraft in the airspace of Ukraine.

In order to conduct an objective investigation of possible leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has ased ten questions to the Ukrainian side.

1. Ukrainian authorities immediately identified the militia as the perpetrators of the tragedy. What is the basis of such findings?

 

2. Could official Kiev to report all the details of using [BUKs] in a war zone? Most importantly - why these systems are deployed there, as the militia no planes?

 

3. What are the causes of inactivity of Ukrainian authorities on the formation of an international commission? When such a committee will work?

 

4. Are the armed forces of Ukraine international experts to present papers on accounting for missiles, air-to-air and ground-to-air ammo and anti-aircraft missiles?

 

5. Whether these funds objective control on the movement of the Ukrainian Air Force aircraft on the day of the tragedy brought international commission?

 

6. Why Ukrainian air traffic controllers allowed deviation of the route of the aircraft to the north side of the "anti-terrorist operation zone"?

 

7. Why was not completely closed to civilian aircraft airspace over the combat zone, especially because in this area there was no solid field of radar navigation?

 

8. Could official Kiev to comment on reports in the net, ostensibly on behalf of the Spanish air traffic controllers working in Ukraine, which shot down over the territory of Ukraine "Boeing" was accompanied by two Ukrainian military aircraft?

 

9. Why Security Service of Ukraine has begun without international representatives work with recordings of talks with Ukrainian crew dispatchers "Boeing" and Ukrainian radar data?

 

10. How were the lessons from previous similar disasters Russian Tu-154 in 2001 in the Black Sea? Then the leaders of Ukraine until the last minute denied any involvement of the Armed Forces of the country to the tragedy until irrefutable evidence showed no guilt official Kiev.

Unfortunately, there has been no response by the Ukraine side to these questions so far. We expect that there will be some answers.

*  *  *

Needless to say, this places Ukraine and The US (as main protagonist of "finger pointer") in an awkward position as finally someone, somewhere will have to present some actual facts instead of merely continuing the "emotional appeals" propaganda.

We expect many of these questions to be answered once the contents of flight MH17's black box are revealed and/or when Ukraine finally releases an undoctored version of the Air Traffic control recording with the doomed flight.

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Day_Of_The_Tentacle's picture

I so hope he makes it through all of this in one whole piece.

Paveway IV's picture

Carlos just tweeted in Spanish - nobody knows if his heritage is Spanish or not. Carlos is a Ukranian citizen. He has to be in order to work in their Air Traffic Control System.

Sandmann's picture

Doesn't need to - simply needs to hide in radar shadow of bigger plane and carry out ground attack like the destruction of the house in Snizhne........

ShrNfr's picture

What decoy? The Ukrainians nailed the sucker, right?

Suisse's picture

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omniversling's picture

Who's talking about the 10 other 'radar disappearances of civillian aircraft during the NATO excersise 'Breeze 2014' in the Black Sea, that was reportedly involved  

"the use of electronic warfare and electronic intelligence aircraft such as the Boeing EA-18G Growler and the Boeing E3 Sentry Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS), coincided with the shootdown of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 in eastern Ukraine, some 40 miles from the Russian border. NATO ships and aircraft had the Donetsk and Luhansk regions under total radar and electronic surveillance."

Article goes into great detail about Ihor Kolomoisky, the "Ukrainian-Israeli mafia oligarch", with a private army (including BUKs), and is the owner of the coalmine from which the clip of an explosion in the distance is purported to be the MH17 impact. Miners apparently also moved bodies and wreckage (saw that on Aussie news footage last night). 

Reports of other planes dissappearing from radar were in the media over a month ago...coinlydinky? Dry run?:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/13/military-blamed-planes-vani...

(tried to post this and got a ZH 'maintenance mode, try again later' page....not the first time this week)

 

Eyeroller's picture

Another instance where a video is the center of attention.... where has that happened before?

Pool Shark's picture

 

 

"What difference at this point does it make?"

 

sodbuster's picture

"these would deal another unpleasant blow to US foreign policy. " Really? We actually have a foreign policy? Obama thinks letting illegals into the country, IS foreign policy.

BlindMonkey's picture

My garand will go hot in response too.

Just saying.

Urban Redneck's picture

What they present at 22 minutes 40 seconds raises some interesting questions not included the 10 identified above.

Freddie's picture

http://rt.com/op-edge/174088-was-it-putin-missile/

 

Good stuff from Pepe Escobar.  The Ukraine Interior Ministry was behind this not thheir military.

Ghordius's picture

interesting, yes. his second-last sentence is even more interesting:

"Putin is more than correct when he stressed this tragedy would not have happened if Poroshenko had agreed to extend a ceasefire, as Merkel, Hollande and Putin tried to convince him to do in late June. At a minimum, Kiev is already guilty because they are responsible for safe passage of flights in the airspace they – theoretically – control."

walküre's picture

Germany should prepare 10 billion and join BRICS bank. 10 billion is all it takes to start. First come, first serve. Market exposure 3 billion+ people and resources galore. South Africa actually has gold and is a dominant player on the African continent. China and India have vast marketshare in Africa already.

US, IMF is old world, old ponzi finance. The new kid in town is BRICS bank, BRICS common currency (soon) and BRICS free trade agreements.

Forget the noise from Washington. Who cared about the noise from Rome or Versailles in the 20th century?

BlindMonkey's picture

But what would that do to the acronym? I just don't see a place to fit a "G" in.

SecondAdamWon's picture

Good point. I suggest using a D (for Deutschland) rather than a G - thereby ending up with "D-BRICS" or the gangster wannabe sounding "D-CRIBS."

oudinot's picture

China is the largest gold producer in the world and they keep that gold in China.

IndyPat's picture

Yup. Sho' nuff....

Right next to the aluminum and copper pile @ the port warehouse.

Unless...they don't.

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

+1 up Freddie.

http://rt.com/op-edge/174088-was-it-putin-missile/

Good stuff from Pepe Escobar.  The Ukraine Interior Ministry was behind this not thheir military.

Pepe Escobar is always worth reading.

Asia Times online has an archive of his articles.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Others/Escobar.html

Circle of DNA's picture

Fabricated "leaders" can only rely on fabricated evidence. Dishonesty begets more dishonesty - this is the fate of western leadership which is a totally artificial construct.

shovelhead's picture

It gets pretty damn real when they shoot you in the face.

undercover brother's picture

This still doesn't answer the question of why Flight MH-17 was rerouted north over the battle zone rather than take it's standard southern route as it had in previous flights?  

Beam Me Up Scotty's picture

Diverted to be shot down.  What better way to generate anti-russian sentiment.  Look at all the news commentators spewing the anti-russian meme.  If that what really happened, its worked like a charm.

ForWhomTheTollBuilds's picture

The reportage in the west is incredible.  The people I know who read the papers and look at the TV all *know* that this was done by Russia and that the US has all the proof it needs.

 

In my local paper there was a headline: "West has proof, Russian rebels shot down MH17,"  Then when you click the link to get the whole story, the full headline is also shown which is  "West has proof, Russian rebels shot down MH17, Ukraine says".  

This is but one example.  Ive seen several other editorials disguised as news explaining how Putin, hopelessly cornered and totally implicated now, is turning to cheap Soviet era propaganda tricks to try to save his sorry ass as the entire world rips him a new one.  Included in this is an article about the Dutch expressing their utter disgust with Putin's lies in the face of his obvious guilt.

 

No mention of China's comments in the MSM this morning.  No mention of Russia's "10 questions" as reported here.

 

If the Russians turn out to be innocent here, none of the people I know here will ever know because the press will simply drop the matter, but it will be another gigantic PR victory for Putin that he would never have had if the US had shut its fat face.  

 

Now I have to hope against everything I know that the US backed government in Kiev is in the right because if they blow this, how can Germany possibly take Americas side any longer?  France even?

 

 

ForWhomTheTollBuilds's picture

CBC has a report this morning titled: "Russia's blame game over Malaysian Airlines"  which goes into detail about the sickening games Putin is playing when his guilt is obvious.  This right below a headline that Canada will be sanctioning Russia because of this.

 

No mention of any of the news or "other side" stories that have been covered here today.

 

Here is the one ray of hope.  The comment section is positively FULL of people posting  all the information posted on this site and elsewhere, in small often respectfully toned snippets.  The "other side" of this story is getting out.  I'm gonna take a few asprin and wait for the comment section to be shut down.

 

 

walküre's picture

Nobody believed the .gov propaganda in the final stages of the dying German Reich either. US is losing the propaganda war and it's about fucking time.

oudinot's picture

Canada's CBC used to be good , now it sucks like its American brethren.

ebear's picture

One thing to note about Canadians:  We are die hard skeptics.   This goes with being a vassal state that is constantly subjugated to US interests, so in that sense, although we have common roots, we are more like Mexico than the USA in our outlook.

Also, consider the number of immigrants and political refugees in Canada.  They don't cross the Rio Grande,  they come in as educated middle class families fleeing the chaos in various parts of the world and have no illusions as to the cause of it.  This goes back a long way, and at this point their views are a significant factor in forming public opinion at the grass roots.

My own work place is a good example.  About half the workforce is first generation immigrant, mainly from Asia and the Middle East.   Most of these people are highly educated and present themselves as thoughtful, rational people.  What they say carries more weight with most Canadians than what you hear on CBC, and I can state catagorically that none of them support the US narrative.

I also have some limited contact with our military, and privately, support is lacking there too.  I suspect it runs just as deep as in civil society, it simply isn't expressed as openly due to the nature of the job.

I can't put an exact date on it, but the turning point was probably the invasion of Iraq, where the US, using 9/11 as a pretext, invaded a sovereign state using the flimsiest evidence and outright lies as their pretext.  Believe me, that did not go unnoticed up here.

 

 

The_Prisoner's picture

Australians are quite the opposite. Immigrant or native, most cannot get enough of government and corporate propaganda.

It must be the warm weather.

ebear's picture

"It must be the warm weather."

Cold weather definitely hardens your resolve (if nothing else...)

Utah_Get_Me_2's picture

I couldn't believe the Virginia Pilot headline on saturday.

"Who Shot it Down? Russia or the Rebels?"

Totally ommitting the CIA, Puppet Kiev Coup-Govt that has the history and motive to be suspect numero uno.

IndyPat's picture

...how can Germany possibly take Americas side any longer? France even?

Well, I don't know about the "how", but it's the "why" that counts.

Why would Germany or France back the US when we spy on them like crazy paranoid assholes and...why would they piss off the guy that has his hand on the gas main lever?

Nevermind that we spent all of Germany's gold to give every member of the FSA an ObamaPhone and a shiny fly ass 24 K grill. It seemed more fair and just.
I'm sure they'll understand.

Clycntct's picture

Of course it does. They couldn't have hit it if it didn't get in their zone.

And how else could they repay the funding that was given. It was one of the terms and developed by the ? and the ?

I'm tightening my tin foil baby cause it's trying to come off.

ShrNfr's picture

CNN ran a story that the Ukraine ground folks did that so that they would "avoid thunderstorms". There was weather in the area. The weather radar shows as much shit in the area they flew through as the other southern route.

 

Here is their story with the weather video: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/07/17/wolf-malaysia-a... I am agnostic at best.

Tall Tom's picture

If I had not seen the NOAA Satellite IR Imagery then I would not have believed CNN at all.

 

Then, again, I refuse to watch Corporate TeeVee.

IndyPat's picture

Yeah. Tough call, bro.
Lulz.
Thunderstorms to the port side, SAM launchers with drunk UKEs with their finger on the bang button at starboard. Think I'll take the weather route, if you please...

It was a nice touch that ATC also dropped the MH 777 down 2k to better match the Frogfoot operating alt. for back up in case the drunk nazis on the ground whiffed the BUK shot.

emersonreturn's picture

when i clicked on a thread i was immediately sent to a blank page with ZH's logo at the top informing me ZH site was down. i started over and finally made it back on---but now when i down or up arrow i am removed from the thread. please ZH you are being bombarded, i hope the forces attacking you do not overwhelm you.

ShrNfr's picture

ZH tends to get a bit popular when there is news with more than one version around.

richsob's picture

The plane was flying west to east at a legal altitude with a commercial transponder pinging the shit out of it's assigned frequency. The Ukrainians didn't shoot the damn thing down. The insurgents made a mistake. A tragic mistake. Yes the Russians manufactured and gave them the equipment but that doesn't mean the Russians directly participated in a MISTAKE. Putin should stop the soft shoe routine and man up. He'd do wonders for himself and his country if he'd just say "they fucked up" and we'll help figure out how to avoid this happening again.

pods's picture

Funny how the term "man up" has been repeated ad nauseum.

Almost like it was inserted into the meme on purpose.

Yours is not the first comment where it started off with a simple fact then went immediately to the conclusion.

So tell me, exactly HOW did you come up with that conclusion?

Fact based, not conjecture please.

pods

Sedaeng's picture

There will be no retort from the man.  It was a drive by posting...

 

)sigh(  its kind of sad the blinders people have on, still, in this day and age.... but more disturbingly the postings of people on this site, zerohedge.  Resource galore with links and all.  IF they just bothered to research a little bit with an open mind...

Hell the comments section is what I enjoy the most.  Fellow ZHers providing more insightful information along with the colorful commentary...

 

Proofreder's picture

So, richbastard, you discovered the narrative on Faux TV and felt totally obligated to repeat the story.  Good boy !  

Now lie down and STFU.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

@Pool Shark: "Also looks like Obama & Kerry might be relying on fabricated videos"

Looks to me like they are relying on whatever the Globalists* and their Bankster sponsors tell them to do.

* Globalists = Neocon = Oldcon = Manifest Destiny gone Global = Global Zionists= NWO = Neo-Feudalism = Feudalism 2.0

      = Extremist ideologues, driven by sheer thirst for power and imposing their worldview on everyone else

Lord Koos's picture

How are Russian photos and videos any different?  In the age of digital editing, anything is possible.