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Exclusive: High-Level NSA Whistleblower Says Blackmail Is a Huge – Unreported – Part of Mass Surveillance

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It is well-documented that governments use information to blackmail and control people.

The Express reported last month:

British security services infiltrated and funded the notorious Paedophile Information Exchange in a covert operation to identify and possibly blackmail establishment figures, a Home Office whistleblower alleges.

 

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Whistleblower Mr X, whose identity we have agreed to protect, became a very senior figure in local government before retiring a few years ago.

 

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He has given a formal statement to that effect to detectives from Operation Fernbridge ….

 

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“And he said [the pedophile group] was being funded at the request of Special Branch which found it politically useful to identify people who were paedophiles….”

Section 11 of the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885 made gross indecency a crime in the United Kingdom, which included male gay sex.  The Amendment was so frequently used to blackmail gay Brits that it was dubbed the “Blackmailer’s Charter“.

There is widespread speculation that Pope Benedict resigned because of sexual blackmail.

And the American government has a long history of blackmailing people – including high-level officials- with knowledge of their sexual peccadilloes.

Wikipedia notes:

The Lavender Scare refers to the fear and persecution of homosexuals in the 1950s in the United States, which paralleled the anti-communist campaign known as McCarthyism.

 

Because the psychiatric community regarded homosexuality as a mental illness, gay men and lesbians were considered susceptible to blackmail ….

 

Former U.S. Senator Alan K. Simpson has written: “The so-called ‘Red Scare’ has been the main focus of most historians of that period of time. A lesser-known element . . . and one that harmed far more people was the witch-hunt McCarthy and others conducted against homosexuals.”

FBI head Hoover was famous for blackmailing everyone … including politicians.  The New York Times reports:

J. Edgar Hoover compiled secret dossiers on the sexual peccadillos and private misbehavior of those he labeled as enemies — really dangerous people like … President John F. Kennedy, for example.

Alfred McCoy – Professor of history at the University of Wisconsin-Madison – provides details:

Upon taking office on Roosevelt’s death in early 1945, Harry Truman soon learned the extraordinary extent of FBI surveillance. “We want no Gestapo or Secret Police,” Truman wrote in his diary that May. “FBI is tending in that direction. They are dabbling in sex-life scandals and plain blackmail.”

 

After a quarter of a century of warrantless wiretaps, Hoover built up a veritable archive of sexual preferences among America’s powerful and used it to shape the direction of U.S. politics.  He distributed a dossier on Democratic presidential candidate Adlai Stevenson’s alleged homosexuality to assure his defeat in the 1952 presidential elections, circulated audio tapes of Martin Luther King, Jr.’s philandering, and monitored President Kennedy’s affair with mafia mistress Judith Exner. And these are just a small sampling of Hoover’s uses of scandal to keep the Washington power elite under his influence.

 

“The moment [Hoover] would get something on a senator,” recalled William Sullivan, the FBI’s chief of domestic intelligence during the 1960s, “he’d send one of the errand boys up and advise the senator that ‘we’re in the course of an investigation, and we by chance happened to come up with this data on your daughter…’ From that time on, the senator’s right in his pocket.” After his death, an official tally found Hoover had 883 such files on senators and 722 more on congressmen.

 

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With a few hundred cable probes and computerized decryption, the NSA can now capture the kind of gritty details of private life that J. Edgar Hoover so treasured and provide the sort of comprehensive coverage of populations once epitomized by secret police like East Germany’s Stasi. And yet, such comparisons only go so far.

 

After all, once FBI agents had tapped thousands of phones, stenographers had typed up countless transcripts, and clerks had stored this salacious paper harvest in floor-to-ceiling filing cabinets, J. Edgar Hoover still only knew about the inner-workings of the elite in one city: Washington, D.C.  To gain the same intimate detail for an entire country, the Stasi had to employ one police informer for every six East Germans — an unsustainable allocation of human resources. By contrast, the marriage of the NSA’s technology to the Internet’s data hubs now allows the agency’s 37,000 employees a similarly close coverage of the entire globe with just one operative for every 200,000 people on the planet.

 

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In the Obama years, the first signs have appeared that NSA surveillance will use the information gathered to traffic in scandal, much as Hoover’s FBI once did. In September 2013, the New York Times reported that the NSA has, since 2010, applied sophisticated software to create “social network diagrams…, unlock as many secrets about individuals as possible…, and pick up sensitive information like regular calls to a psychiatrist’s office, late-night messages to an extramarital partner.”

 

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By collecting knowledge — routine, intimate, or scandalous — about foreign leaders, imperial proconsuls from ancient Rome to modern America have gained both the intelligence and aura of authority necessary for dominion over alien societies. The importance, and challenge, of controlling these local elites cannot be overstated. During its pacification of the Philippines after 1898, for instance, the U.S. colonial regime subdued contentious Filipino leaders via pervasive policing that swept up both political intelligence and personal scandal. And that, of course, was just what J. Edgar Hoover was doing in Washington during the 1950s and 1960s.

 

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According to James Bamford, author of two authoritative books on the agency, “The NSA’s operation is eerily similar to the FBI’s operations under J. Edgar Hoover in the 1960s where the bureau used wiretapping to discover vulnerabilities, such as sexual activity, to ‘neutralize’ their targets.

 

The ACLU’s Jameel Jaffer has warned that a president might “ask the NSA to use the fruits of surveillance to discredit a political opponent, journalist, or human rights activist. The NSA has used its power that way in the past and it would be naïve to think it couldn’t use its power that way in the future.” Even President Obama’s recently convened executive review of the NSA admitted: “[I]n light of the lessons of our own history… at some point in the future, high-level government officials will decide that this massive database of extraordinarily sensitive private information is there for the plucking.”

 

Indeed, whistleblower Edward Snowden has accused the NSA of actually conducting such surveillance.  In a December 2013 letter to the Brazilian people, he wrote, “They even keep track of who is having an affair or looking at pornography, in case they need to damage their target’s reputation.” If Snowden is right, then one key goal of NSA surveillance of world leaders is not U.S. national security but political blackmail — as it has been since 1898.

Today, the NSA tracks people’s porn-viewing habits in order to discredit activists.  The NSA also gathers and keeps nude and suggestive photos of people in order to blackmail them.

The Associated Press notes:

The stockpiling of sexually explicit images of ordinary people had uncomfortable echoes of George Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty-Four,” where the authorities — operating under the aegis of “Big Brother” — fit homes with cameras to monitor the intimate details of people’s home lives.

 

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The collection of nude photographs also raise questions about potential for blackmail. America’s National Security Agency has already acknowledged that half a dozen analysts have been caught trawling databases for inappropriate material on partners or love interests. Other leaked documents have revealed how U.S. and British intelligence discussed leaking embarrassing material online to blacken the reputations of their targets.

FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds alleged under oath that a recently-serving Democratic Congresswoman was secretly videotaped – for blackmail purposes  – during a lesbian affair. (Other Congress members have been blackmailed as well.)

Edmonds tells Washington's Blog that judges who are too "squeaky clean" are often not approved for nomination ... while ones with skeletons in their closets are. And she says that high-level FBI managers have publicly confirmed this blackmail process.

There have been allegations of blackmail of gay activities within the U.S. armed forces for years.

And even the raw data on American citizens collected by the NSA is shared with Israel.  This likely includes Congress members and other politicians, as well.

Bill Binney – the NSA’s senior technical director and head of the agency’s global digital information gathering program – told Washington’s Blog:

Bulk collection of everything gives law enforcement all the data they need on every citizen in the country.  And, it gives NSA all that info on everyone too.  Makes them akin to a J. Edgar Hoover on super steroids.

Binney explained to us the importance of this story:

Being able to blackmail people is one major aspect of bulk/mass collection that has not been talked about. E.g., they could use this data to blackmail members of governments around the world. But, surely just to get them to do what they wanted them to do. Just like J. Edgar Hoover did.

 

This is on top of the ability to do world-wide industrial espionage.

Indeed, Binney tells us that the NSA’s blackmail tactics are the same as those used by the KGB and Stasi:

This is just one of the ways to make controlling people possible.  Standard KGB/Stasi tactics.

(Binney told the Guardian recently: “The ultimate goal of the NSA is total population control.”)

And Binney tells Washington’s Blog that NSA surveillance allows the government to target:

  • “[CIA head] General Petraeus and General Allen and others like [New York State Attorney General] Elliot Spitzer”
  • “Supreme Court Judges, other judges, Senators, Representatives, law firms and lawyers, and just anybody you don’t like … reporters included”

NSA whistleblower Russell Tice (a key source in the 2005 New York Times report that blew the lid off the Bush administration’s use of warrantless wiretapping), also says:

  • The NSA is spying on and blackmailing its overseers in Washington, as well as Supreme Court judges, generals and others
  • The agency started spying on Barack Obama when he was just a candidate for the Senate

And senior NSA executive Thomas Drake explains to Washington’s Blog that the NSA can use information gathered from mass surveillance to frame anyone it doesn’t like.

 

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Wed, 07/23/2014 - 19:55 | 4995750 fukidontknow
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That's how they picked Barack and Michelle plenty to blackmail them with - well they're both black males.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 19:54 | 4995748 Duc888
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Col. Klink: "Well it looked like a dick, only smaller."

 

I just had to upvote you, LOLOLOL.....thankx.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 19:00 | 4995525 Dublinmick
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 Next, here are a few other curious tidbits.  The flight 17 crash shares an anniversary with the demise of TWA 800, which AT’s own Jack Cashill has compellingly argued was, in fact, brought down by a missile on July 17, 1996 and subsequently covered up by the US government.  And, the maiden flight of flight 17 occurred in 1997 on the date of, you guessed it, July 17.

[Moreover Russia's last ruling monarch of the Romanov family Tsar Nicholas II, together with his wife Tsarina Alexandra and their five children Olga, Tatiana, Maria, Anastasia, and Alexei were executed on 17 July 1918. Subliminal message to Putin? No doubt it's another "coincidence"]

 

http://richardedmondson.net/2014/07/23/ukraines-false-flag-shoot-down-of...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 09:09 | 4997458 Ides of November
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Personally I think 17/7 is a great day in the calendar.

I wonder what I can look forward to in the future - particularly looking forward to 17/7/17 - might have to buy some Moët to celebrate that great day!!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 19:37 | 4995683 doctor10
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This headline really deserves a

 

 

"DUH"

 

 

!!!!!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 18:43 | 4995448 MrSteve
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Wed, 07/23/2014 - 18:44 | 4995435 MrSteve
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posted in wrong slot on feed

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 18:24 | 4995365 Backtable
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While science fiction, but in many repsects not by far, the movie Eagle Eye may be more telling than any survellaince. In the rapidly expanidng digital world, TPTB could electronically manipulate your financial accounts, produce reams of data they've maufactured in real-time, produce digital records of your ativities that acutally took place but by their own doing, and make you look guilty by association with just about any entity they wished. In the not too distant future if they really want you, they'll get you, regardless of the truth. The reality is that the only thing that can conceivably stop them is a collpase of the fiscal struture as it stands today: no funding, no future.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 18:06 | 4995285 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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The NSA is tasked to analyze the information bits it can detect. No information bit is off base when it comes to their strick mandate and

in this regard they do their job and they do what they are paid to do.

I recognize that my own government has to participate in the same analysis of information and from where I come from nothing under the sun is off base when it comes to legally derrived information gathering.

If I worked for the NSA and I had to collect information I would most likely collect it in the same manner that the NSA presently engages in.

Information is power in this world and no country can afford to be lax

in their attitude towards information gathering/long term storage etc.

If you don't want the NSA to conduct information gathering complain to Gubberment. And good luck with that.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 18:11 | 4995303 George Washington
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Welcome, MOU:

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 19:09 | 4995579 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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I knew some PSYOP dude would eventually dig that up.

What up, George?

 

Is the NSA going to pay me $30 trillion now or do I have to keep waiting?

Thanks for the welcome note.

p.s. Me and the NSA go way way way way way back, eh. I'm too dangerous for you guys and you know it. You had better check around first.

 

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OCCUPY THE NSA'S TIME - OCCUPY EVERYTHING

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 08:10 | 4997302 overmedicatedun...
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GW's written threads are one of ZH's strong points..enough crazy subjects mixed with real world threats to keep one coming back for more..GW's is a shot of coffee for the eye's wide shut citizen of today..keep on keeping on maybe some day everyone wakes up. those that rule in secret above the law, need to be exposed...a little tidbit of perhaps nonsense, last week I drove by a NSA complex near laural MD, and  black out SUV's some with flashing red blue lights were everywhere, I thought shit they know I read and worse yet post on ZH....

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 22:55 | 4996491 Ralph Spoilsport
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You're on a roll kid -  you managed to look stupid, arrogant and delusional all in one post.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 00:42 | 4996791 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Up yours, Ralph.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 18:37 | 4995406 DeadFred
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At least he was nice enough to translate his spiel from binary into English. Sometimes the trollbots forget.

01001010010010010000100001110111 may be poetic to him but it doesn't do anything for me.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 17:47 | 4995227 kurt
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Conclusion:

They MUST have something HUGE on Lindsay Graham.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 19:04 | 4995550 JohnFrodo
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I do not know if he is Gay. NTTAWWT. However his whole chicken hawk tag team with John the Ultimate warrrior  is distubring. In  Canada we have a Tea Party Goverment. F35 Gaydar would indicate at least 30% of this anti Gay goverment is Gayt. And so it goes.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 23:27 | 4996597 sonoftx
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I ran a couple of HIV clinics for several years and he is as queer as a three dollar bill.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 17:52 | 4995240 Ruteger
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You mean "IN"?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 17:39 | 4995196 DarthVaderMentor
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GE CEO Jeff Immelt appears to do exactly what Hillary tells him to do. Just look at the David Shuster case. Immelt might argue with the board on something and ignore them, but when it comes to Hillary he's just a puupy awaiting orders. I guess he's been compromised?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 16:53 | 4994965 WTFUD
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Jack GE Welch v Eliot Spitzer nuff said

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 16:48 | 4994945 JRobby
Wed, 07/23/2014 - 16:44 | 4994886 Radical Marijuana
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The psychotic "national security" state religion has become the fortress of the best organized gangs of criminals that control governments. However, major problems persist with those who tend to call for an "end" to mass surveillance, or demand that governments become generally more represented by something more like a Party for Accountability, Competency and Transparency etc. ...

In my opinion, the greatest of those problems are due to the ways that civilization has adapted to deal with the chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life through the history of The Art of War, where success was based on deceits, and spies with the most important soldiers. There were perfectly good reasons how and why civilizations ended up operating their death controls through the maximum possible deceits, and then their debt controls through the maximum possible frauds. However, it is the almost universal nature of the controlled opposition groups to the established systems that do those things to refuse to face the basic facts that natural selection always exists, and that human beings must and do operate systems of artificial selection, in which their murder systems are necessarily central components.

The deeper aspects of the political problems we have are not merely that technologies which are trillions of times more powerful and capable have made and maintained weapons of mass destruction and mass surveillance, but also, that any genuine solutions based upon notions such as that there should be more accountability, competency, and transparency, etc., in the government necessarily would mean encountering the supremely paradoxical problem of how to operate murder systems doing death controls that were done with more accountability, competency and transparency, etc. ...

I REPEAT, in my view, George Washington's recent series of articles on these topics PROVES: The psychotic "national security" state religion has become the fortress of the best organized gangs of criminals that control governments.  Just as the public monetary system had its control captured and privatized, the previously public murder system is having its control captured and privatized. However, those who recognize those facts tend to refuse to face the deeper facts regarding how and why that happened, and therefore, what it would fully mean to have combined money/murder systems which were not such runaway criminally insane systems as those which currently exist.

In my opinion, more radical truths about these topics goes far beyond merely the first level of recognizing how the best organized gangs of criminals have been capturing increasing control over the powers of governments, in order to advance their criminally insane agenda. The paradoxical developments of science and technology being employed to get better at being dishonest and violent are pushing towards their psychotic breakdowns. However, the chronic political problems, which are inherent in the nature of life (and which were behind how and why we ended up with governments becoming the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals) are NEVER going away, as long as any human beings survive.

The technological genies of the weapons of mass surveillance are out of their bottles, the same as the technologies to make weapons of mass destruction are already out and about. The human species now faces the challenge of perhaps making some creative breakthroughs, by means of intellectual scientific revolutions, to understand how and why it ended up that "national security" became the psychotic fortress of the best organized gangs of criminals, which were able to control governments.

Those systems are on their criminally insane paths towards psychotic breakdowns, which perhaps will open some opportunities for creative breakthroughs? To do that takes understanding how and why murder systems must exist, within which militarism is the supreme ideology. We need to understand better the more and more powerful spirals of the basics of warfare (where success was based on deceits, and spies where the most important soldiers), has resulted in utterly irrational and criminally insane collectively made and maintained systems of weapons of mass destruction and mass surveillance.

It is no good enough to denounce how the currently best organized gangs of criminals have been able to capture control over the powers of governments, more and more, with each wave of revelations demonstrating how much worse that has become, as the technologies to enable that becoming amplified to astronomical SIZES, by progress in science and technology. At some point, we should be breaking through to better understanding about how and why the oldest book on The Art of War started by saying "success in war depends on deceits" and ended by saying "spies are the most important soldiers."

The best organized gangs of criminals have captured control over the powers of governments, and so, those are more and more being privatized. The control over the monetary system has already been about 99% privatized, while the murder system that backs that up has been at least 50% privatized already, if not more so ... Meanwhile, the controlled opposition groups against that continue to operate in the same frame of reference of false fundamental dichotomies and related impossible ideals. Therefore, we are getting further and further away from better systems of artificial selection, due to the real ways that the history of warfare, and then the history of finance based on that, are operating through the maximum possible deceits and frauds, wherein the ideals that there should be no conscious murder/money systems whatsoever enables the actual systems to continue to get worse, faster, without effective resistance to better balance them out.

Thousand and thousands of years of history, creating civilizations controlled by the maximum possible deceits and frauds, which have been powered up by science and technologies to become many orders of magnitude more powerful and capable, within the life time of those still alive now, are rapidly approaching some turning, or tipping points. So far, there were never any good solutions for the problems presented by weapons of mass destruction, and now, there are no good solutions for the problems with weapons of mass surveillance, because they both are necessarily plunged through the infinite tunnels of deceits and frauds, whereby the best organized gangs of criminals have been able to capture more and more control over the powers of governments, to use to advance the criminally insane agenda of those gangs of organized criminals.

Meanwhile, almost nowhere in the public space are there enough people who have moved through enough of the different levels of lies regarding those topics to begin to discuss how to operate better militarism, with better murder systems, so that human civilization perhaps could survive having developed weapons of mass destruction and mass surveillance. Instead, right now, all of those powers and capabilities are being exploited to advance a criminally insane agenda, in the absence of any better agenda, because most of the controlled opposition has no better agenda.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 18:47 | 4995464 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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The Military Industrial Complex is in advanced stages of decline already.

For the first time in the history of war the USA is presently handing out pink-slips to US ARMY Soldiers in Afganistan en masse. All sectors of the MIC have seen budget cutbacks due to downsizing and the institutional advance into more war is being rethought in light of the overhead costs

of operating a war theater. Nano-technologies/drones are being utilized and robotics is entering the war stage. More advanced ways of operating

cycles of genocide in populations are being brought out and in this regard

technology has reduced the costs and manpower needed to operate the most technologically advanced system of killing the world has ever known. Fortunately, these crazy motherfuckers don't actually know what power is and they have no understanding of the power that took them down. Knowledge is power and the USA Government does not have the knowledge it needs to be powerful anymore. A power more powerful than the power you recognize is the driver of the demise of American militarism proper. Do not fool yourself into thinking that there are not more powerful thinkers in this world than the American Government or their so called 'masters of the universe'. The United

States of America does not know what hit it because the United States of America does not study epistemology. If you want to understand knowledge first understand epistemology.

And don't fucking forget to understand ontology too or that will be a bitch of hurt let me tell ya.

p.s. Once again I'm suggesting that you read Erich Fromm's _AThe Anatomy of Human Destructiveness_. I know you said you raed it but you seem to be missing the anthropological side of the genocide equation. Don't forget ancient antiquity too, eh. Natural History is good strategy too. Toolmaking and technology gave the MIC a level of power but power extends beyond that level by leaps and bounds the MIC is unaware of.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 01:49 | 4996871 BorisTheBlade
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Was it a mention of ontology and epistemology that got you so many downvotes. On many levels, MIC is a colossus on fragile feet, a hammer that makes any problem look like a nail, a blind tool in many ways. The question who is wielding a hammer, most certainly not public figures and not the people.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 05:45 | 4997078 Tall Tom
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I believe that he garnered the Downvotes because he trashed the US Military as being incapable.

 

I know that he received the downvotes because the Empircal Evidence is present.

 

That is both the Epistemological and Ontological Principles applied.

 

My admonishment is that he does not underestimate the abilities of the US Military. While I am not supporting their role I will not make the mistake of underestimating that.

 

We do have thinkers capable of a lot in the United States. Some just are refusing to give their material support to this behemoth at all. Actually many are in a stage of outrage and, thus, act overtly in rebellion.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 17:04 | 5000223 Radical Marijuana
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YES, Tall Tom!

The majority of the people in the military, I believe, are just as dismayed by how crazy and corrupt their orders have become as most people outside of that. The people inside have to deal with their orders becoming more and more crazy and corrupt, and thereby, being pushed to the wall, at bay, by the runaway social insanities that have been caused by "national security" becoming a psychotic state religion.

Military people often have an even more intense imperatives to engage in emergency philosophical debates, and seek spiritual guidance, than others who are not in such intense circumstances. Furthermore, most military people today are actually members of a transnational scientific community, in the sense that their real jobs require high levels of technical and engineering abilities, which must have some background in science to be understood adequately.

In general, revolutions only succeed when some of those who were supposed to suppress them decide to join that revolution instead. The constantly increasing pressures of being given crazy and corrupt orders, by runaway psychotic "national security," is possibly one of the most important ways that that kind of state religion may go through at least reformations, if not eventually much more radical revolutions?

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 18:00 | 4995265 Paveway IV
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The founding fathers of the U.S. said something like that, Radical Marijuana. The idea was to create a government that wasn't easily usurped by the rich or powerful, but they didn't realize how easy it was to rig voting and the law. The DHS says the founding fathers were terrorists and should have been arrested and all their property seized. Then they should be tortured and imprisoned without trial for an indefinite period of time. Oh wait... I guess that was King George that said that. Same difference.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:09 | 5000180 Radical Marijuana
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I agree Paveway IV, most of the Founding Fathers had a very insightful and realistic view of the nature of governments. They tried to set up divisions of powers, with checks and balances. However, eventually, the ability of the positive feedbacks of money corrupting the political processes systematically destroyed the rule of law, systematically substituting legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, which destroyed the constitutional framework.

We are now heading outside of the system that the American government was supposed to be, and a lot more people are going to be forced to face those facts, in extreme ways, since the government of the USA has become the biggest terrorist organization in the world, and its primarily target is the general population of the American people!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 03:43 | 4997003 dreadnaught
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yeah-our founding fathers were considered 'terrorists' and 'unpatriotic' to the Crown. If London had a DHS back then, all of them would have been arrested and put into concentration camps

Good thing we won or we would be speaking cockney and eating steak and Kidney pie

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 23:32 | 4996502 sonoftx
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Thumbs up paveway! Even though they are hammerheads and most people will not see them. BaHa.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 17:13 | 4995070 Anusocracy
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Government is what it has always been.

Real change can only occur when people evolve beyond wanting it.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 16:03 | 5000151 Radical Marijuana
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Anusocracy:

"Wanting" no more government is the same as "wanting" no more organized crime gangs.

The best organized gangs of criminals made and maintained governments, through the history of the War Kings, to become the current dominion of the Fraud Kings. Governments, as the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, are self-actualizing and self-justifying. Their ability to back up lies with violence enable them to become socially successful. The production of destruction controls production. Not liking that basic fact is similar to not liking the basic laws of nature. While I somewhat tend to sympathize, there is no intellectual integrity in any other response to the problem of government than to work towards better organized government, as better organized crime.

I basically agree, Anusocracy, that "Government is what it has always been." However, I can not imagine how it would ever by possible for beings with bodies to "evolve beyond wanting it." As long as people NEED air, water, food and shelter, then they can be controlled by those NEEDS. They almost totally have been, through the monetary systems, control over which were captured by the best organized gang of criminals, the Fraud Kings, who therefore have all the powers of the War Kings at their command to enforce their frauds, so that "money" made out of nothing can rob resources, as the currently supreme public expression of organized lies operating robberies.

As long as people NEED air, water, food, etc., then the best organized gangs of criminals can control the people through controlling those resources, which is now primarily done through controlling the monetary systems. In my view the deeper problems are due to the degree that the ruling classes have been too successful in turning the majority of "We the People" into incompetent political idiots, that act like Zombie Sheeple.

The Black Sheeple calling for an "end" to human life as systems of organized lies operating robberies are operating out of the frame of reference of false fundamental dichotomies, promoting impossible ideals, which always cause the opposite to happen in the real world. Calling for an "end" to war, or an "end" to money, are absurdly childish desires. However, wanting those to not be runaway criminally insane systems, like they have actually become, is a sensible desire, if only enough of us could agree to work towards that in more mature ways.

Government has not changed. However, science and technology have changed everything, including governing. My assertions are that we should have enough people understand government better, so that we can operate a better government, that uses a greater use of information, as the operational definition of higher consciousness. However, a genuinely better understanding of government must accept how and why that is necessarily going to operate through the methods and principles of organized crime, which are the ways that general energy systems manifest through human beings, which necessarily operate as entropic pumps of energy and matter, such as that they NEED air, water, food, etc.!

Everyone has some power to rob, with the limit case of that power being the power to kill. Governments assemble and channel that power. However, the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories about that have become too successful, so that the controlled opposition groups to the established governments spout the same bullshit impossible ideals, which continue to actually make the opposite happen in the real world.

What we should have is a better government. It is NOT possible for human beings to evolve beyond governments. What should happen is that enough citizens understand that they are members of an organized crime gang, which is their country, and thereby more effectively organize resistance against the best organized gangs of criminals which are currently dominating their government. That can NOT happen as long as the situation is that the vast majority are Zombie Sheeple, being led by Black Sheeple, whose bogus "solutions" are to go backwards to some old-fashioned religions or ideologies.

We should be going through intellectual scientific revolutions, towards making more scientific societies, that understand themselves as manifesting through general energy systems. However, that takes a radical critique of the philosophy of science, which has been inverted and perverted by the biggest bullies' bullshit world view, the same as every other social enterprise was. A more scientific society, that was more scientific about itself, would recognize that human realities are always organized lies operating robberies, and therefore, human governments were always operating according to the principles and methods of organized crime, in which the murder systems backed up the monetary systems.

The goals of a genuinely scientific revolution would be to take the tools, such as weapons of mass surveillance, and retool them, to serve higher order purposes, which make genuinely greater uses of information, through higher consciousness. The problems with the abuses of the weapons of mass surveillance now is that they serve the interests of a small group of the best organized gangs of criminals, whose ways of resolving chronic political problems have become criminally insane. However, those deeper problems always continue to exist!

The basic problem is to develop artificial selection systems, in which militarism is the central special case. To deny that is to deny the universal existence of natural selection, which gradually made human beings, and human civilizations, to become what they are now, i.e., governments as the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals. Those were expedient sets of solutions to chronic political problems. What we should do is develop better sets of solutions, which necessarily means better organized crime, operating better murder systems, to back up better monetary systems.

The paradoxical ways that warfare and economics became "sciences" whose successes were based on deceits and destruction, or enforced frauds, should be embraced, rather than rejected. We should move forward towards better understanding of human energy systems, which means moving through a radical critique of the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories. That moving forward requires transforming the controlled opposition groups just as much as the establishment.

As long as the Zombie Sheeple are still being "led" by the Black Sheeple, or reactionary revolutionaries, to go backwards, instead of forward, then there are no better solutions possible. At the present time, that is obviously still the case, as demonstrated how almost all the featured articles on Zero Hedge, as well as about half the comments, are the presentations made by classic Black Sheeple, which analyze the problems relatively well, but then collapse back to the same old bullshit when they propose "solutions."

THE WORST PROBLEMS WITH RESPECT TO MILITARISM AND ECONOMICS ARE THE DEGREE TO WHICH DECEITS AND FRAUDS WERE SUCCESSFUL, WHICH INCLUDES THE SUBLIME BULLSHIT THAT THE "SOLUTIONS" SHOULD BE BASED ON IMPOSSIBLE IDEALS.

Rather, the only realistic solutions are to continue to have to muddle through the madness of working out the dynamic equilibria between different systems of organized lies operating robberies. We can not have more scientific solutions to chronic political problems until enough people go through enough of a paradigm shift in perceptions to be able to become more scientific about the ways that they understand the world.

IT IS NO GOOD TO DEMONSTRATE HOW THE GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME ORGANIZED CRIME, TO THEN RECOMMEND "STOPPING" THAT. RATHER, WE SHOULD GO THROUGH UNDERSTANDING HOW AND WHY THAT HAPPENED ENOUGH TO DO THAT BETTER.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:47 | 4996230 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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I think history shows that  (r)evolution has more to do with empty stomachs than intellectual enlightenment or an epiphany of self reliance.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 05:09 | 4997054 Tall Tom
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There will be famine in America...

 

In some parts there already is.

 

In Detroit they are cutting water off to people who cannot pay their bill. The average costs of arrears??? Eighty lousy bucks.

 

There are a lot of Guns in Detroit...

 

It is just a matter of time...just a matter of time..which is growing increasingly short.

 

You deserve the outcome statist.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 16:29 | 4994853 Duc888
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I think someone may have seen my dick online....or something,

just saying.

 

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 16:34 | 4994876 Colonel Klink
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Well it looked like a dick, only smaller.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:42 | 4996201 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Way too much time in the communal shower Colonel. There is a reason that officers do not share facilities with the enlisted. Officers can not handle the insecurity.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 16:33 | 4994869 doctor10
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that really is the ONLY reason for mass surveillance. Welcom to Stasiland

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 16:29 | 4994849 Joebloinvestor
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If this is true, then why the fuck do we have such a corrupt government?

Does the NSA exist just to perpetuate corruption?

Anyone remember when the two Kennedys tried to fire Hoover and what happened?

He shit on both of them.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 17:29 | 4995150 CH1
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why the fuck do we have such a corrupt government?

That one's easy: Because people obey them.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 05:06 | 4997063 Tall Tom
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Not only do they obey them...They financially support them,.

 

Financial support is SUPPORT.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 16:20 | 4994811 Reaper
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Why believe any thing the government says? The NSA can blackmail those who are phoneys and fabricate against those who are sincere. The sheeple's flaw is to trust their government. They don't mind being deceived, if that allows them to feel safe.

Most all judges are selected by politicians or political parties, who reward hacks. These hacks are chosen for their proven malfeasance. Every hack is a fraud. The flaw of our Justice system is that Themis, standing blindfolded outside a courthouse, has blessed the proceedings. That if you have the right lawyer, making the right argument, you'll be OK. The right lawyer is the judge's crony, whose hand shares with the judge.

What should be carved above the entrance into every public building in the US is "Abandon all hope of honest conduct, ye who enter here."

Only when all trust is removed will we take back the power we foolishly gave them.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 00:01 | 4996689 sonoftx
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Please wax poetic more often Mr. Reaper.!

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 17:34 | 4995179 shovelhead
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"Jimmie, have you seen the latest Gallup Poll? It says the people trust a used car salesman before they trust Congress..."

"I know...I'm thinking about resigning and just going home."

"Yeah, me too..."

"BWAHAHAHA"

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 19:02 | 4995536 Reaper
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Trust isn't how you answer a poll question. Trust is whether you buy their snake oil again.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 21:35 | 4996179 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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+100 A view I did not see until you pointed out. Thanks.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 17:21 | 4995107 MeelionDollerBogus
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All this new-fangled espio-technology can be met with an old school judicio-technology: the guillotine.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 16:15 | 4994782 kchrisc
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See, only a criminal government need spy on their victims.

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