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Things In The Middle East Are About To Get Much Worse

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There are major clashes occurring currently in The West Bank tonight as claims of 10s of thousands and Palestinians clash with Israeli soldiers. Sadly, as the photos below reveal taken moments ago show, things appear set to get very much worse.

 

 

As Sky reports,

Israeli security forces have shot dead three Palestinians during a massive protest in the West Bank, according to medical officials.

 

The three people were among an estimated 10,000 people who are clashing with soldiers and border police at a checkpoint in Qalandiya, between Jerusalem and Ramallah.

 

The protest came hours after 15 people were killed and more than 200 injured when a UN school in the city of Beit Hanoun was hit by an artillery shell.

 

At least 90 people were injured in the checkpoint clashes, with some reports that live fire was being used.

 

An Israeli army spokeswoman told the AFP news agency soldiers were using "riot disposal means" to control the protest.

 

She said: "There are thousands of rioters there. They are rolling burning tyres and throwing Molotov cocktails and fireworks at soldiers and border police.

 

"The soldiers are responding with riot disposal means."

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Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:49 | 5001890 tony wilson
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the country of the jewish saturnic mind

the rabbi eyes have it

the lips of the rabbi suck the wound.

because who would dare say they cannot.

who?

Male Circumcision Alters the Brain of Its Victims

http://www.zengardner.com/male-circumcision-alters-brain-victims/#

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 19:15 | 5001286 Calmyourself
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Chumba, foot in mouth:

"That is a myth.  If you still believe that you are a political dinosaur and you also probably believe that the black man is an inferior animal worth 3/5th of a white man. "

You do not know why that was agreed to in the Constitution do you?   Recommending research to others when that common fact eludes you..  I normally read your comments closely, you may wish to know why good Abolitionists wanted Black men to count for nothing...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 19:21 | 5001341 Pheonyte
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you may wish to know why good Abolitionists wanted Black men to count for nothing...

That's not entirely true. The northern states wanted them to count for nothing for the purposes of representation, but they wanted them to count as full persons for the purposes of taxation. The southern states wanted the exact opposite. Hence the 3/5 compromise.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 23:02 | 5001881 Calmyourself
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Your comment does not address abolitionists, which I specifically used as Chumba has been known to champion the downtrodden,  A wider discussion of the issue is fine but the point was abolitionists wanted Black men to count for nothing as to representation.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 19:21 | 5001325 knightowl77
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"The land was not empty.  That is a myth."  Who said it was empty????

"Arabs were there, living, as they had since time immemorial."  So were Jews.

Arabs (Arabic: ???‎, ?arab), also known as Arab people or Arabic-speaking people, are a major panethnic group.[12] They primarily inhabit Western Asia, North Africa, parts of the Horn of Africa, and other areas in the Arab world. Arab ethnic groups which inhabit or are adjacent to the Arabian plate includes the Lebanese, Syrians, Emiratis, Qataris, Saudis, Bahrainis, Kuwaitis, Iraqis, Omanis, Jordanians, Palestinians, Yemenis, and Egyptians.

Arabic-speaking populations in general are a highly heterogeneous collection of peoples, with different ancestral origins and identities. The ties that bind the Arab peoples are a veneer of shared heritage by virtue of common linguistic, cultural, and political traditions. As such, Arab identity is based on one or more of genealogical, linguistic or cultural grounds,[13] although with competing identities often taking a more prominent role,[14] based on considerations including regional, national, clan, kin, sect, and tribe affiliations and relationships

 

In 1947 When the UN partioned the land, there were about 1.2 million Arabs and about 0.6 million Jews and also about 0.14 million Christians living on the land.

 

 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 19:43 | 5001422 chumbawamba
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Before we continue any discussion, it seems we first have to agre on syntax and grammar.  Are Christians now considered a race or ethnic group, too?

Because by my math, I would see it this way:

In 1947, when the UN exercised an authority it did not possess and "partitioned" the land of the people who lived there from time immemorial, there were several million Arabs and then hundreds of thousands of Europeans of the Jewish religion with empty looks on their face showed up all of a sudden expecting a homeland promised to them, actually rather forced onto them.  The ones who wanted to go home were told they had no choice.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 20:23 | 5001564 chumbawamba
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This is real simple.

Let's say events lead up to California being partitioned by the United Nations because a huge influx of...oh, let's make it: Chinese refugees fleeing some horror demand political recognition and separation so they can have their own homeland.  Of course people have sympathy for them because of their plight and at least on the surface it seems like a reasonable demand, until you start getting into the details.  And let's say the native population--the Californians--all get scooted out of the plum parts like the SF Bay Area through the Santa Barbara area to the coastal Los Angeles region and south to San Diego.  So the Chinese get Hollywood, Beverly Hills, San Francisco, etc. while the Californians are left with nostly underdeveloped or rurals areas.

Immediately hostilities break out as the Californians--naturally, as they've had no say in the matter--oppose the Chinese arbitrarily declaring the Californians' homeland a Sino nation.  The Chinese, with foreign assistance, engage in a campaign of genocide to route out the indigenous Californians and force them into the shitty Central Valley and rural parts farther east and north while capturing key water resources and other strategic features.  The neighboring Nevadans, wanting to stop the spread of the Chinese expansion, oppose them from the East and secure most of the central valley and subsquently occupy the area, and with the help of their Mexican neighbors the Californians manage to keep San Diego, though they eventually become boxed in like an open air prison and eventually used as a living human weapons testing laboratory and gun range.

An uneasy truce is in effect until the Chinese, drunk on the political power that is constantly hosed into them, instigate a skirmish twenty years later and then take the Central Valley from the Nevadans and occupy it for themselves and also manage to occupy San Diego.  A decade later they begin colonizing the land, violating the international laws promulgated by the very organization--the United Nations--that gave them statehood in the first place.  Those damn Chinese, they want to play by the rules when it suits them and ignore them when they don't.

Over time San Diego is relinquished back to the Californians because the cost of maintaining Chinese colonies in Oceanside and Chula Vista proves too much to bear for the majority of Chinafornians.  See, the Chinese start slowly assimilating California culture, renaming the things that used to be distinctly California and adopting California customs and calling them their own, even claiming the Chinese have always made fajitas and fortune cookies since ancient times.

But in the occupied Central Valley, the Chinese build increasingly large "settlements" in Californian territory, taking nicely built 2000s era homes for themselves and forcing the Californians to live in squalor in isolated enclaves.  They build swimming pools and have nicely manicured lawns in a place where there are scarce water resources because of a historic drought, while they leave very little water for the Californians and literally spew their untreated raw sewage into Californian fields with careless disregard and, actually, intentional malice, all of course with impunity.

They justify all this through some historically distant claim on the land, and they point to Chinatowns in San Franciso and Los Angeles as historical evidence.

Shall I continue?

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:55 | 5001200 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Judaism.  Islam.  Who is older?"

Who gives a shit.  Totally false and irrelevant argument. 

p.s. Both have evolved as desert religions from a local, totalitarian sect.  As has Christianity.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 00:16 | 5002259 Canucklehead
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Thanks for agreeing with my observation. Your response validates my comment.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:06 | 5000893 sessinpo
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chump   I'm so tired of fucking ignoramuses like you who don't have a god damn whit of historical knowledge of the region spouting off like some kind of expert.  The Palestinians are Arabs that came from the region or their families lived in the same rock huts from effectively time immemorial.  The Jews (which, by the way, wasn't even a word until about the 14th century, i.e. a relatively recent construct as well) came from Europe and the diaspora.  The Jews that were already in Palestine when the European Jews began to land were and are Arabs.

Shut the fuck up unless you know what you're talking about.

I am Chump.

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So is yoru ignorance. The term Jews preceded the 14th century. Palestine was a creation of Egypt. Whereas the Israelites, Jew, have been written about for thousand of years, years that preceded the 14th century.

You are Chump

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:44 | 5001128 chumbawamba
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Then who the fuck are the Philistines spoken about in the Bible?  You fucking monkey, don't you ever call anyone ignorant ever again until you pick up a book and read.  And don't you dare challenge me unless you like being humiliated.  Go home, boy.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 20:22 | 5001579 FeralSerf
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"A derivitave of the name "Palestine" first appears in Greek literature in the 5th Century BCE when the historian Herodotus called the area "Palaistin?" (Greek - ??????????). In the 2nd century CE, the Romans crushed the revolt of Shimon Bar Kokhba (132 CE), during which Jerusalem and Judea were regained and the area of Judea was renamed Palaestina in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/palname.html

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:27 | 5000999 DanDaley
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It would be nice if we could all get away from these arbitrary distinctions and designations (Jew, Arab, Palestinian, etc.). These are NOT different races, and if you look back far enough genetically, everybody is from Africa!

 

I look northern European, but 1/3 of my genes are closely associated with people from southwest Asia...so, am I German, Jew, Arab, Palestinian, Russian, Iranian, Swede, or WTF? They are all just people...just people...some can get along, and some can't.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:48 | 5001154 chumbawamba
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Yes, I totally agree.  You should know that 90% of the vocalizied pro-Israel support is coming from volunteers for Israel's zionist propaganda campaign and they always come out in force whenever Israel is at it again committing atrocities and war crimes.  The other 10% comes from ignoramuses who either grew up with zionist ideology or don't know any better.

The solution is and has been for quite some time for one unified republic with no racial or religious preference.  I believe if you took an honest poll you'll find that probably 80+% on both sides--Palestinian and Israeli--want the same thing.  Their teenagers are already fucking each other over there, it's an inevitability.

What politics won't resolve, healthy juvenile lust will.  It's only a matter of time.

2025

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:52 | 5001182 tudemonstro
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I like you Chumbawamba, but I think you’re wrong here. Before they were known as "Jews" they were known as Hebrews or Israelites. They have been in the land (off and on) for centuries before the diaspora. From a pure "who's been there the longest" argument, the Jews win that hands down.

Furthermore, the West Bank was captured by Israel in 1967 in a war it didn't start but sure as heck finished. As captured territory, Israel had every right to keep the West Bank and assimilate it into its sovereign territory. That’s what usually happens in other places. The US did it to the Indians. Cortez did it to the Aztecs. C'est la guerre (Translation: Tough noogies!)

Somebody later thought it would be a good idea to allow the Palestinians to govern their own territories. Rather than choose to live peaceably with Israel, the Palestinians thanked Israel by allowing thousands of rockets to be fired at populated civilian areas within Israel. Israeli schools were targeted. Innocent children were killed.

The problem is that the Palestinian culture is vehemently anti-Israel. They teach their children from birth to hate Jews. They don't want to "COEXIST" as the bumper sticker says. They, like the mullahs in Iran, want to annihilate Israel.

For those who hate Israel, no amount of proof will change their mind that Israel is the "bad guy" in this current conflict. They believe all the pictures and footage of "Palestinian suffering" are accurate, they believe the MSM claim that Israel is indiscriminately targeting civilians, and they plug their ears and close their eyes and pretend there no justification for Israel’s actions.

Is Israel perfect? No. But it doesn’t have to be perfect to be on the right side of this particular conflict.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 20:25 | 5001244 chumbawamba
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Re your 1st paragraph: yes.  But my beef has always been with zionists, which are the problem.  Everyone else always mixes them up with Jews.  Not me.  I know who the true enemy is: zionism.

Re your 2nd paragraph: you are talking about ancient conquests.  In the modern era with the United Nations and post-Nuremburg treaties we have international laws that ban acquisition of territory through military conquest.  That's why it's still "contested" to this day: it's occupied by Israel, and they began settling it in direct defiance of international law.  It would help if people would remember these not very old facts.  How soon they get swept down the memory hole, while the "facts on the ground" remain.  See, Sharon was a shrewd son of a bitch.  A son of a bitch, nonetheless, but a shrewd one.  He must look like a melted ice cream cone on a sunny summer day laying in that coma.  hehehe.

Re your 3rd paragraph: blame the victim.  Ok.  Next.

Re your 4th paragraph: Yes, extremists exist in every culture.  You should see the rabidly zionist Israeli settlers that attack Palestinians in the West Bank every day, ruining their crops, stealing or killing their livestock, and generally making their existences a living hell, all while taking up 95% of the water in the region so they can have swimming pools and dumping their raw sewage into Palestinian fields.  All with impunity from the Israeli military, which usually does nothing to stop any of this.  But again, those are the extremists.  Most Israelis are abhorred by such behavior, as any decent human of any race or religion should be.  P.S. re: "annihilate Israel", please.  Don't regurgitate when you're sitting down at the table with me.  That's disgusting behavior.

Re your 5th paragraph: your words betray your innocence.  You don't know jack shit about this conflict that you didn't glean from the typical biased sources, including any given western media agency, including and especially National Public Radio.

Re your last comment: what does genocide have to do with not being perfect?

You display very little wisdom in what you write.  You need to consider and work on that.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:26 | 5003874 tudemonstro
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Thank you for your detailed reply, Chumbawamba. Much better than the "Shut Up! He explained." responses that are prevalent on ZH.

I googled What is the difference between Jews and Zionists and found this: http://www.nkusa.org/activities/speeches/bham022603.cfm

I think I see the distinction you are making above, but I'll confess not clearly.  Anyway, no need to continue the dialogue at this point.  I'll keep learning and maybe we can dialogue again at some future point.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 19:16 | 5001288 Escrava Isaura
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tudemonstro... You said: "The problem is that the Palestinian culture is vehemently anti-Israel."

Please, can you open the link below —it’s from the first Jew to serve as a Cabinet minister then read his #1 standpoint.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Future_of_Palestine

Thanks.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 12:17 | 5003836 tudemonstro
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Thank you for the link, Escrava Isaura.  That is enlightening on the history.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 19:59 | 5001486 WillyGroper
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"They teach their children from birth to hate Jews."

That's funny. I just watched a docu called "Defamation". An ADL production. While clearly biased there were two people in particular that struck me. One, a rabbi that stated that the jews focused too much on death & the teaching of it. 

Two, a jewish professor that most adamantly blamed the war mongering US MIC jews for the worlds destruction. So much so that he was put on the no-fly list & cannot go to Israel. 

A scene at Auschwitz with a group of teen jews stated that they wanted to "murder" the descendants of those that committed the atrocities. Clearly upset & crying from what they had witnessed at the museum.

That door swings both ways. 

Hate breeds hate tudemonstro.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 20:29 | 5001617 chumbawamba
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The teens that go to those memorial horror shows are brainwashed and mind-fucked.  It's criminal what they do to them.

-Chumblez.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:47 | 5000751 world_debt_slave
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I have friends from the middle east, Jordanians, Egyptians, Syrian that recount that the Jews and Arabs got along together as friends and able to travel the Palenstianian land without hinder, that was until the Zionists came and stole their land to create the State of Israel.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:10 | 5000917 Kirk2NCC1701
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That's why Zionists WANT you to use the term "Jew", rather than the term Zionist. Clever use of semantics and mass psychology.

It helps muddy the waters, and forces all Jews to come to their defense.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:51 | 5001165 chumbawamba
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And there you have it.  It could not be any more clearly stated.

-Chumbz.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:37 | 5001073 sleigher
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That's because those are actually jews and not Khazarians.  

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 20:02 | 5001493 WillyGroper
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Same here.

Both Christians & Jews live in Iran.

Peacefully.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:58 | 5000840 Slave
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Land belongs to those with superior firepower. Period.

That said, fuck Israel.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:01 | 5000850 Escrava Isaura
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gatorengineer... You said: "but the term Palestinian is a recent construct"

Where did you learn that?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:15 | 5000948 MayIMommaDogFac...
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the term Palestinian is a recent construct

How recent do you mean?  

Herzl -- the father of the Zionist movement talked freely about a place called Palestine.  That was more than 100 years ago.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:36 | 5000991 Dublinmick
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http://koppersgainesville.com/2012/03/14/cabot-koppers-superfund-site-su...

 

Pay no mind to the gatas, Gainesville, Florida is eaten up with agent orange in the water supply. It is a super fund site.

 

By the way, how bout them Noles!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:24 | 5000561 knukles
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I'm telling you folks, this is the veritable coming of the edge of darkness, the battle between Gog and Megog, good and evil.  It has been started on purpose, with definitive ends in mind, of destruction, annihilation, the maw of the Leviathan engulfing everything in its path.... the 4 Horsemen....
The very fabric of civil humanity has come a-frayed, twisting as millions laugh and circle the fires, praising the Satanic forces for even greater destruction, war, pestilence, famine and degredaiton of the Human Condition.....

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:30 | 5000618 BandGap
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Those rockets mean nothing in tems of actual damage. This outcome was the intent all along. More innocents die in yet another Holy War.

 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:56 | 5000820 Not Too Important
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I'm interested in knowing why the Hamas rockets don't have explosive warheads installed. A couple of thousand rockets, maybe one Israeli killed? No widespread destruction?

I'm confused. They're some of Iran's best designs, aren't they?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:07 | 5000897 john39
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Knuckles, I agree.  For those with the time, youtube if filled with talks given by Sheikh Imran concerning the great battle between good and evil, truth and deception.  Choose your side carefully, the master of deception has done his work to make lies appear as truth.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:13 | 5000940 Not Too Important
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The Trickster:

British scholar Evan Brown suggested that Jacob in the Bible has many of the characteristics of the Trickster:"The tricks Jacob plays on his twin brother Esau, his father Isaac and his father-in-law Laban are immoral by conventional standards, designed to cheat other people and gain material and social advantages he is not entitled to. Nevertheless, the Biblical narrative clearly takes Jacob's side and the reader is invited to laugh and admire Jacob's ingenuity - as is the case with the Tricksters of other cultures".[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickster

Oh, wait, that's not funny . . .

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:29 | 5001018 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  Oh, wait, that's not funny

I donno,  I kinda is.    Running tricks on dumbasses is what life is about.   

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:35 | 5000650 NOTaREALmerican
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Sounds like a Cubs fan. 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:54 | 5000794 tbd108
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Hey! I'm a Cub fan. I regularly spent my lunch money to buy a bleacher ticket (when tickets were only $.50). But I'm not that big a loser! On the other hand, "dogs and cats, living together ...."

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:06 | 5000880 Escrava Isaura
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tbd108..., you said: "But I'm not that big a loser!"

Where did you learn that?

And how can you be so sure?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:12 | 5000914 tbd108
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You're right. Cub fans are big losers. However I can say that since the disaster in 1969 I haven't been as enthusiastic. But I still really hate the Mets and pray that when I get to hell that I find out the Leo got there before me.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:33 | 5001039 BandGap
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Me too, went when the bleachers for the Business Men's special were $1.25. The Cubs are a religious gathering, nothing more.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:07 | 5000889 Quus Ant
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Shit that was funny.  Couldn't the Cubs win one before the end?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:42 | 5000704 TheSecondLaw
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As Mr WB Yeats wrote:

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

    Surely some revelation is at hand;
    Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
    The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
    When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
    Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
    A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
    A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
    Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
    Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

    The darkness drops again but now I know
    That twenty centuries of stony sleep
    Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:40 | 5001091 jomama
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oh knukles, you always crack me up!!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:50 | 5001168 Everybodys All ...
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Prophecy in other words and for those who are true believers it's past time to get your life in order. The enemy is out there and he is fooling a whole lot of people.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:54 | 5001169 Everybodys All ...
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Thu, 07/24/2014 - 20:02 | 5001496 shovelhead
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This sounds like it could be worse than that big fight betweem Lucy and Ricky Ricardo.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:24 | 5000562 cossack55
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Depends on what is on TV.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:27 | 5000584 knightowl77
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don't you mean;  "you lost your land after attacking the israelis repeatedly and losing"? 

 

We here in the USA have the gov't we deserve and so unfortunately do the palestinians....they elected Hamas and have to suffer...we elected obummer/bush/clinton and we're about to suffer a similar fate.....

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 20:07 | 5001518 Duffy Duck
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You must mean after Jews from Europe used terrorism and guerilla tactics to expel the native Muslim and Christian population, as they planned and desired, to create their ethnarchy.

Last I checked, the Jews started a couple of those wars. 

 

For fucks sake the fighting in 1948 took place mainly outside what was supposed to be the Jewish state - 55% of the area of the mandate {after its division into Palestine and Transjordan} to around 25-30% of the population... most born in Europe.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:42 | 5000706 random999
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the arabs are occupying our lands in hordes, however instead of fighting we are giving them social wellfare while they throw rocks when they get dissatisfied

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:47 | 5000750 Luckhasit
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They did. Our ancestors killed them all

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:51 | 5000786 never_again
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Wrong... They could have had a country 20 years ago if they wanted to get along. Instead, they do dumb things like fire rockets at civiliants and for some inexplicable reason get upset when the Iraelis retaliate.

 

 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:53 | 5000789 sessinpo
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world_debt_slave    wouldn't you also fight if someone stole your land?

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Yep, I hope Israel gets those land stealing Muslims. And those that are opposite my view are for Islamic extremist and Obama. Congrats.

And btw, the land I walk on and the land YOU walk on was stolen.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 20:11 | 5001537 shovelhead
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Stone Age meets Steel.

End of story.

I don't hear anyone crying about the Celts.

Humans do this shit.

Always have, always will.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 20:42 | 5001664 Herd Redirectio...
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In $ terms, the Palestinian tactics are really quite clever.

Yeah, Iron Dome protects Israel, but at what cost?  And what do the rockets cost?

Now the destruction of Gaza will be a very VERY expensive payback (its going to take a hell of a PR team to sell this mess)

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:56 | 5000819 icanhasbailout
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What we need is some sort of standard to determine what land actually belongs to who.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:24 | 5000992 Tall Tom
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We used to have something like that in the United States...It was so long ago...back before 2008...

 

Ahhh..Yes...The term has come back to my memory...TITLE INSURANCE.

 

But then after the Banking Collapse and all of those rehypothecated Mortgages, with the Mortgage Backed Securities, nobody is sure about who owns what properties anymore. We stll have banks that foreclose on properties with a free and clear Title.

 

And then you suggest that we need some sort of standard to determine what land actually belongs to whom???

 

We might want to try that FIRST here in the United States before becoming entangled in that quagmire over there in Palestine..Israel...or whatever the fuck you want to call that place...I do not care.

 

But IT IS NONE OF OUR FUCKING BUSINESS. Yes it is sad that they are fighting. Yes it is sad that people are needlessly dying and getting maimed, burned, and injured.

 

But please...Can't we just take care of our own Nation...for a change??? People are suffering over here too.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:24 | 5000994 Not Too Important
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The UN will figure it out!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 20:04 | 5001504 Kirk2NCC1701
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Study Nature, and you'll figure it out:  Possession is ten tenth's of the law.

That's why critters mark their territory and fight to keep/protect it.  If they lose that fight, they lost the turf.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:38 | 5001083 tempo
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Should US give the land back to Mexico and Indians and become their slaves? Israel owned everything during King David's rule! On what date in history do we determine ownership in the world. Of course, your dates.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 19:06 | 5001254 Winston Churchill
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Can't even sort out the Irish claims which are more recent and straightforward..

The Irish invaded Scotland ,settled and became  Lowlanders,and then William of Orange

invaded Ireland using Lowlanders to settle it.

But the Irish claim they are foreigners.WTF, as a  part(tiny) Irish American WTF

As to Palestine, I have glass negatives circa 1860 onwards, showing the souks, mosques etc

clearly showing Arabs under Ottoman rule, going about their daily lives.It was peaceful before

the Askenazis arrived, maybe they should be exiled to Madagascar, as was origanally planned.

That was a zionist plan before Adolf's

Their real homeland is modern Georgia, but I doubt they would be welcomed back.

They have no rights to return to a country that was never theirs, and certainly no rights,except

by genocide of the real owners.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 08:36 | 5002901 AnAnonymous
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Who's that the Irish?

The Irish are Indo European (aka invaders) while the black Irish are European (aka native people)So if Irish (indo europeans) invaded scotland (indo europeans), and then scotland (indo europeans) invaded Ireland then it is all matter of invaders.

Move them all back to the caucasian area they belong.

Free Tibet!

Free United of States of America!

Free Europe!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:42 | 5001108 ShrNfr
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Right on. The Jews and Christians should take back Mecca and Medina. It was theirs before the Muslim genocide in the 600s CE.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 20:37 | 5001642 Tulpa
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You wouldn't have a problem with the Indian reservations firing rockets into your hometown then?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 20:38 | 5001650 lpierre1955
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yes, but not israelis, I don't want to be pointed as an anti-semite ...

 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 21:33 | 5001845 Parisnights
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WDS-  Would you fight back or tell others to- if the Cherokee, Potomac, Hopi, or Iroquois decide to fight for their land back?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 22:14 | 5001989 Jeremy Roenick
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This can't possibly be.  Obama said we were living in times of unprecedented tranquility. 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:19 | 5000511 One And Only
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So Kerry made it worse. Not surprising.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:28 | 5000600 Zero Govt
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Kerry's face is looking very gaunt

maybe he's realising what a souless oderless piece of garbage he is

..like Obummas hair

 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:31 | 5000616 darteaus
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What has that boob ever accomplished?

He is the biggest waste of protoplasm.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:35 | 5000658 PrintemDano
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John Kerry walks into a bar, the bartender says, "So John, why the long face?"

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:39 | 5000695 darteaus
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John Kerry walks into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder.

The parrot asks for two beers.

The bartender says, "Wow; that's pretty good.  Where did you get that?"

The parrot replys, "Congress."

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:45 | 5001124 ShrNfr
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The parrot then proceeds to fly around the bar and shit on everyone.

The bar tender says; "That was pretty nasty. Where did you learn that trick?"

The parrot replies: "Obama".

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:19 | 5000513 kliguy38
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SHTF II How many balls can be juggled before one drops

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:23 | 5000554 Au_Ag_CuPbCu
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Great question...there are a lot of them in the air...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:26 | 5000582 astoriajoe
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So tough to count once you get passed three, and we're way past three.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:46 | 5001133 ShrNfr
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And none between his legs. Or Obama's either.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:41 | 5000701 PrintemDano
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Obama never drops a ball, he gargles with them.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:20 | 5000522 Sudden Debt
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Maybe the jews are angry that they didn't got the nobel prize of peace?

....

Don't they know this is only for Drone Commanders in Chiefs?
Just killing children and woman doesn't cut it anymore to get one.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:20 | 5000526 Phillycheesesteak
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The Israelis should grease the treads of their tanks with the blood of the muslim dog barbarians.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:24 | 5000567 Sudden Debt
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If they would be able to fight with the same kinds of waepons, I'd say nothing but this is a technical slaughter.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:28 | 5000603 knightowl77
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a very good recommendation for the 2nd Amendment I would say

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:50 | 5000782 Urban Redneck
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At the time the second amendment was ratified and up until after the Civil War, both private & corporate US persons could own & operate not only cannons and heavy artillery, but actual battleships. And the private & corporate US persons actually engaged in combat with everyone from The Royal Navy to the Barbary Pirates.

Or in today's terms:

Yours for the LOW LOW PRICE of $670 million - complete with 12.7mm, 30mm, and 57mm cannons plus Hellfire & RAM Missiles

Your very own... FREEDOM class LCS

a.k.a. REAL economic patriotism.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:07 | 5000884 Bastiat
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A brother-in-law keeps a cannon from his forefather's privateer on his lawn and fires it off every 4th .  .  . more often before he quit drinking.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:35 | 5001063 Overfed
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If you have the $$, you too can buy a tank or an artillery piece or a jet fighter. Several private citizens own Su-25s, many own MIGs. Lots of people have tanks, APCs and artillery.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 06:42 | 5001194 Urban Redneck
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But if it's not already in the the NFA registry, then the canon is surplus, and for the newer surplus- usually de-mil'd, unless Blackwater/Academie is buying.

I'm talking about commissioning your own virgin and fully functional state-of-the-art war machines. Not some functioning antique, which although still lethal, would never survive a pitched encounter with, much less defeat a modern military unit.

i.e. The very thing that I've read/seen some Libtards attempt- reductio ad absurdum to discredit the second amendment with, is in fact the historical truth, something that might make their heads explode if they could actually wrap their minds around it...

(It would also make the libertards/conservitards heads head explode, albeit for reasons not as apparent without a strong faculty of historical fact)

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:29 | 5000607 darteaus
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Hmmm.

Why are these Muslims all crashing the gates at the same time...

I wonder who benefits from the newscasts of all the "unarmed" children seeking peace and justice...

It must be the Jews fault! Yes!! Nuke Israel!!!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:54 | 5000801 giggler321
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I think u'r right, its totally unfair to pick a race or creed. don't blame any 1 - blame them all, u & me included. right about now a good size bio weapon targeting just the human genome should do the trick.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:26 | 5001004 Not Too Important
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Fukushima did that already. We're just watching the dinner show, before the grand finale.

More wine, sir?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:41 | 5000700 oklaboy
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well said

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:01 | 5000846 kurt
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Please, please don't kill yourself.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:34 | 5001052 Infinite QE
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Too bad the Germans didn't cull your bloodline.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 01:06 | 5002349 Vooter
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Do Israelis ever stop and think to themselves, "Why does everyone in the entire universe hate us?" Do they?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:21 | 5000534 TheSecondLaw
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All I can say about this is that the 51st state of the United States is behaving very badly and I'm amazed that the POTUS does not call this state to order. Oh, wait a minute, this state was created as the War State, so, actually, it's fulfilling it's mandate.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:29 | 5000597 bitterwolf
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Not my people.

Not my goddam state.

I want my pound of flesh from a quarter Trillion $$ "invested".

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:51 | 5000780 Surging Chaos
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Actually I'd say Israel is equivalent to multiple states instead of just our 51st state.

51st state: Israel

52nd state: Israel

53rd state: Israel

54th state: Israel

55th state: Israel

56th state: Israel

57th state: Israel

There you go Obama, there's your 57 states. Have fun playing puppet to your overlords.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:21 | 5000535 Infinite QE
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Nuke. Israel. Now.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:23 | 5000556 Pheonyte
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Right, because murdering innocent people in response to the murder of innocent people is perfectly rational.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:25 | 5000581 knukles
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Of course.  Two wrongs always make a right.
Just imagine millions or billions....

Evil's hunger is insatiable

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:28 | 5000594 cossack55
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Perfectly rational?  New to ZH perhaps?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:32 | 5000633 Pheonyte
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No, I'm all too familiar with the terrain. I'm just not zen enough yet not to point out utter idiocy.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:01 | 5000849 icanhasbailout
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what is the sound of one hand going long oil?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:27 | 5001016 Not Too Important
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If a thousand investors crash in the woods, does Corzine hear it? We know Holder doesn't.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:35 | 5001053 Tall Tom
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Unnnnh. Unnnnh. Unnnnh. Unnnnnnh.  Ahhhhh.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:46 | 5001120 darteaus
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"I'm just not zen enough yet not to point out utter idiocy."

Newb.  You'll learn to point out idiocy even where this isn't any as long as you can be snarky or defame someone.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 19:57 | 5001477 Infinite QE
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Just another recent joining zioqueer agent. Fuck off.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:19 | 5000967 Infinite QE
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Innocent Israelis? Ha ha ha. That's a good one. I'll have to write that one down for when I need a good laugh.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:26 | 5001003 Infinite QE
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Israeli rabbi: It’s okay to kill innocent civilians and destroy Gaza

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2014/07/22/israeli-rabbi-its-okay-to-k...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:31 | 5001028 Not Too Important
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Don't be talkin' that Talmud Goyim shit!

Which, by the way, includes every skin color, religion, genetic structure or sexual inclination that isn't Jewish. Their book says to hate them all. And certainly steal their money.

Ich bin ein Goyim!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:29 | 5001027 Infinite QE
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ISRAELI PROFESSOR: RAPE PALESTINIAN SISTERS AND MOTHERS TO STOP TERRORISM

http://www.infowars.com/israeli-professor-rape-palestinian-sisters-and-m...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 20:10 | 5001533 Kirk2NCC1701
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Bad idea. Have you seen what most of them look like?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:41 | 5000703 RadioactiveRant
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You could at least start by taking away their pocket money and telling them they're naughty.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:07 | 5000896 Slave
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Just think of all the GDP we'd create!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:21 | 5000538 One And Only
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We should just nuke that whole part of the world and turn it into the world's largest window.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:28 | 5000569 Pheonyte
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.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:26 | 5000573 hobopants
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That is one option, but we could also try staying the fuck out of it and let them handle it themselves.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:26 | 5000585 knukles
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Wow....

Why didn't I think of that?
Golly gosh, guys, lsiten, here's an idea.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:30 | 5000610 Sudden Debt
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A bit to late when you give one side nuclear bombs which they'll use when they have a broken arrow...
That shit is just downright scary!
They're willing to nuke it all if they lose. That's how much they care about the rest of us.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:47 | 5000738 hobopants
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That's the beauty of that whole self-determination thing, if they want to light up their neighborhood, that is their problem. As long as we stay the hell out of it, they have no reason to send the bombs our way.

I will feel no great loss if the entire region goes up in smoke, I just don't think it's our right or place to do it.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:36 | 5001065 Not Too Important
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They're already here:

'Israeli NYC Embassy 
A Radiation Hot Spot?'

http://www.rense.com/general75/hotspot.htm

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:36 | 5000665 One And Only
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Or we could just nuke em.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:29 | 5000605 cossack55
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If you then break the window, why, P. Krugman will call you Idol.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:22 | 5000539 Herd Redirectio...
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And the Descent into Madness in this world continues...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:34 | 5000646 Zero Govt
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the madness begins when a bunch of parasites erect false boundaries ..then fight over them 

in the case of Isarael you erect false boundaries, ship in false locals, and some stupid foreign country, like America, subsidises the madness to the tune of $3bn a year to keep this fake State thugging and mass murdering with its slightly cheesed off neighbours 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:30 | 5000541 Chupacabra-322
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What is occuring in that region & not being spoken a word of by the Pressititue media is the Genocide being carried out on the part of Zionist Isreal.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 20:12 | 5001541 Kirk2NCC1701
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Not surprised. I encourage other ZHers to learn a word that one ZHer taught me some days ago: SAYANIM.

Explains a lot.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 23:50 | 5002209 Iwanttoknow
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Kirk,here is one for you,KATSA.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:23 | 5000549 Kaiser Sousa
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Fucking Zionist...
they will fail as always in their attempt to exterminate those whose land they stole...many will die, but ultimately the Zionist physco's will pay for their crimes in blood and land...
justices will not be denied...just delayed a little longer.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:29 | 5000599 One And Only
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Islam started 7th centruy (between year 601 and 700). Judaism started 4,000 years ago.

Who was there first?

Peace be upon you.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:32 | 5000626 cossack55
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Samarians? What do I win?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:47 | 5000749 NOTaREALmerican
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Nothing, you forget to add:  "What are the"

I'll take "righteous killing for my imaginary-friend", for 500, Alex...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:48 | 5000752 One And Only
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Well let's give it back to the Samarians and be done with it.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:09 | 5000910 Bastiat
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I say give it to the Samoans.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:37 | 5001077 MayIMommaDogFac...
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'Merican Samoans!

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 20:30 | 5001618 Grouchy Marx
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Salvadorans.

And happily, if they would leave here.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:48 | 5000756 Herd Redirectio...
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I don't see any reason to believe that some city called Jerusalem in hundred year old texts is the same city the Arabs called 'Al Quds' until the 20th century!

Jerusalem at first was just a term to denote 'Holy Capital',a city where a Patriarch resides (which there is every possibility a Patriarch resides in 'Al-Quds', hence it would have been referred to as Jerusalem by some).

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:48 | 5001152 Sedaeng
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Sumerians*

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:36 | 5000666 Pheonyte
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I believe it was the Canaanites. Interestingly, they were ethnically cleansed from the region by the same people who ethnically cleansed the Palestinians. Go figure.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:44 | 5000714 COSMOS
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The T?rt?ria tablets are three tablets, discovered in 1961 by archaeologist Nicolae Vlassa at a Neolithic site in the village of T?rt?ria (about 30 km (19 mi) from Alba Iulia), in Romania.[1] The tablets, dated to around 5300 BC,[2] bear incised symbols - the Vin?a symbols - and have been the subject of considerable controversy among archaeologists, some of whom claim that the symbols represent the earliest known form of writing in the world

Oldest writing in the world found in Europe.  Sorry you Semitic suckers, all good things come from Europe.  Religious monotheistic crap came from ME as did hairy backs on men and women LOL

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:45 | 5000735 One And Only
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Bravo.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:48 | 5000764 NOTaREALmerican
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Bah,  and those are NOTHING compared the Invisible Golden Tables found in New York State.    

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:53 | 5000791 One And Only
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Only I can read those.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 20:45 | 5001671 Kirk2NCC1701
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The story is even more interesting than that.  They were polytheistic until Moses came along.  Just like Arabs were polytheistic and almost each tribe (of the hundreds) had its own deity, until Mohammad came along.

Here is a sample I found on the Polythestics roots of Judaism...

"Atheism: A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21vPrlX6Yx4

Bonus points: What do you get when you combine the (real or imaginary) deities ISis, RA and ELohim?

p.s. If you look back into ancient Greek History, you find that the "Star of David" preceded David.  As the Swastika preceded the Nazis by many, many centuries.  If you're a Dan Brown fan, and use masculine and feminine symbology, you can argue that the two triangles in the Star of David are the masculine (pyramid or Arrow) and the inverted pyramid as the feminine (V).  In the final analysis, these are just symbols/gimmicks, around which to draw people.  As one ZHer put it a few days ago, "It's amazing what people will do with a Flag, some Dirt and an invisible Sky-man".  What probably fascinates me the most about these people, is how resilient they are and how they've managed to "re-invent" themselves in so many different countries and cultures -- while absorbing/assimilating some of its traits, and always but always striving for and reaching the top of the socioeconomic pyramid of whatever land in which they lived.  Their core mentality seems to be "We are born to rule, not be ruled", by any means necessary.

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:44 | 5000724 bitterwolf
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Who gives a shit about "first".

Europeans were the last ones there.

Semites are weak.

Eveyone there in ME is playing the Europeans game.

Life's a Bitch.

 

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 17:58 | 5000837 Not Too Important
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And before that they were all Arabs listening to Sumerians talk about their Annunaki gods.

Genesis is plagerized from the Sumerians. The Ten Commandments are plagerized from the Hammurabi Code - very pre-Jews.

So, what's your point?

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:55 | 5001202 Sedaeng
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O'Brien Christian - "The Genius of The Few"

Excellent read...

Thu, 07/24/2014 - 18:34 | 5001051 jomama
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ZIONISM IS A SECULAR MOVEMENT!!!

 

ffs, you are really grasping for straws.

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