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Pentagon Says Russia Preparing To Transfer "Powerful Weapons" To Ukraine

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No red lines, no YouTube clips, no "satellite images" of WMD this time: just more "straight to propaganda" speculation by the Pentagon. From Reuters:

The Pentagon said on Friday the transfer of heavy-caliber multiple-launch rocket systems from Russia to Ukrainian separatists appeared to be imminent with the arms close enough to the border they could be handed over "potentially today."

 

"We have indications that the Russians intend to supply heavier and more sophisticated multiple-launch rocket systems in the very near future," said Army Colonel Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, adding that the weapons were in the over-200mm range.

 

Warren indicated the weapons had been seen getting closer to the border and the Pentagon believed a transfer was imminent and could happen "potentially today."

 

"We believe that they are able to transfer this equipment at any time, at any moment," he said.

So Russia "could", "potentially today" transfer rocket launchers to Ukraine. But wait, wasn't the same Pentagon reporting hours ago that Russia is now, with the entire world clearly watching, no longer even pretending to be not engaged and is firing at Ukraine forces directly from its own territory? Why would they stop now? And surely with every US spy satellite trained at east Ukraine, the moment this happens it will be blasted to every media outlet. Right?

More:

A multiple-launch rocket system is a wheeled or tracked vehicle mounted with multiple tubes capable of firing a half dozen or more guided or unguided rockets in quick succession at targets scores of miles (km) away. The rockets are generally 100mm to 300mm, with those over 200mm in the heavier-caliber category.

 

"We're very concerned with the quantity and the capability of weapons flowing from Russia into the Ukrainian separatists' hands," Warren said.

 

"There has been a continuous flow over the last several weeks of weapons and equipment from Russia to Ukraine," he said, noting that the "most egregious example" was a column of more than 100 vehicles crossing the border.

 

The Pentagon's assessment that a transfer of heavy weaponry was imminent came as Russian authorities accused Ukraine of firing a volley of mortar rounds across the frontier into Russia on Friday while a group of investigators was in the area assessing reports of cross-border shooting.

 

A Russian security official said up to 40 mortar bombs fired by Ukrainian forces fell in the Russian province of Rostov near the border where Ukrainian government forces are fighting pro-Russian separatists. There were no reports of injuries.

Then there was this:

  • EARNEST SAYS U.S. TALKING WITH EU ABOUT MORE RUSSIA SANCTIONS

And then, just to hammer home the message that crazy Putin, the "West's Public Enemy Number One" is about to invade Ukraine, we get this from Reuters:

  • MORE THAN 15K RUSSIAN TROOPS ON UKRAINE BORDER

Ok, we get it: the former KGB spy is on full tilt and deserves every #hashtag the West can unleash. So please activate the sanctions already, those including Gazprom and not the purely theatrical ones to date, and let's all sit back and watch what happens to Europe's economy.

In the meantime, due to popular demand, here is some cover art courtesy of William Banzai.

 

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Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:39 | 5004211 y3maxx
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BRICS
vs
PRICS....
(USSA, Israel, UK, Ukraine, Canada, Australia)

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:32 | 5004488 Ocean22
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Hey there are MANY of us here in PRICK-ville ( Canada) who see this bullshit and don't want to be a part of it. Go BRICS!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:49 | 5004585 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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same south of ya, but you have to take the good with bad in this world

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:57 | 5004630 Seer
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Seeing as you're a Canadian, comments on this?

Canada Dollar Drops to Five-Week Low on Economic Concern

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-25/canada-dollar-drops-to-five-wee...

The Canadian dollar sank to a five-week low before reports next week that are forecast to show the nation’s economy is lagging behind that of the U.S., its biggest trading partner.

Is that a bad thing, to lag behind the US's collapse?

Fucking reading that sentence gives me a headache...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:19 | 5004752 taoJones
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Canada is joined at the hip with the U.S. geographically, fiscally, politcally, etc.

Being a supposed resource based economy one would think the Canadian dollar would be higher against the USD, but no.  IMHO it's all part of the slow, death spiral of all fiat currencies: they all must collapse together, with none seen as standing out, otherwise it might wake up the sheeple...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:40 | 5004212 Paveway IV
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Like BGM-71 TOW 2As? 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:45 | 5004248 caShOnlY
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Krugman must be in a non-stop continual CUM MODE.   Finally!!!!!! a GDP building war!!!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:43 | 5004508 Freddie
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The Pentagon - getting American boys killed dead in bankster wars since 1861 (?).

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:55 | 5004615 taoJones
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package perfectly timed with the arrival of the 40 Dutch...

/s

Can this get any false flaggier™?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:55 | 5004616 zerocash
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Pushing Germany into a corner after World War One was such a good strategy. It worked out so fine in the end.

So using the same strategy against Russia will no doubt work just as well.

/s

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:57 | 5004628 NotApplicable
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That's only sarcasm if you picked your parents poorly.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:09 | 5004697 Volkodav
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Much similar...Germany was economic threat..before both WW1 and WW 2

and now Russian is risen

and German Russian cooperation is more economic threat than ever

beside that is goal of final control and loot of Russia

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 16:00 | 5004971 Dublinmick
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Thanks for the clarification, as I don't read propaganda publications I at first thought this was the actual newsweek headline.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 16:25 | 5005103 Kirk2NCC1701
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As mentioned by others and myself, this anti-Putin, anti-Russia thing started about two years ago, even before the Sochi Games.

The question is... WHY?  What has changed fundamentally in the US/Russia and Obama/Putin relationship?  Or are the MIC and Dollar issues driving it all?  Or are the damn Zio-Neocons driving their own agenda, and trying to get both Russia and the US to jump through their hoops?  If so, somebody'd got to take the fuckers out.  For good.  Before the whole continent or the whole world burns.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:35 | 5004187 I Am Not a Copp...
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"A Death Star! They have a Death Star!!!!"

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:58 | 5004301 Mr Pink
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They have a cave troll!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:36 | 5004188 buzzsaw99
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what's your name?

fuck you, that's my name!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:41 | 5004223 Headbanger
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Spelled 'Phuk Hu"

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:45 | 5004241 V in PA
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I like the spelling FAQ

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:59 | 5004303 Bankster Kibble
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I actually saw "Pha Que" scrawled on a billboard once.  It lasted a week until passing motorists read it out loud.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:36 | 5004193 roadhazard
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Their best Vodka.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:37 | 5004196 observer007
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MH17: where is the "mountain of evidence"?  - Video

 

Must SEE:

http://homment.com/mountainevi

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:38 | 5004198 Quus Ant
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Poland NATO base being supplied for blitz:

http://rt.com/news/175292-nato-poland-supply-base/

????

 

Pointing fingers in a shitstorm!   Best to keep your head down.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:44 | 5004243 WTFisThat
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Poland disappeared from maps of Europe many times in the past, to my surplice they again have death wish.

 

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/poland/history

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:04 | 5004647 Volkodav
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agree...they have that...big mouth and committed plenty of historical atrocities whenever given a little rope...

then when kicked, cry they are poor mistreated victims..

Most of pravyi sektor slovboda and other murderous radical crazies are Western Ukraine Pollack...forest Nazis

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:37 | 5004200 Da Yooper
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Pentagon Says Russia Preparing To Transfer "Powerful Weapons" To Ukraine

 

Realllllllllllyyyyyyyyy prove it

Drama Queens

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:21 | 5004422 ArisAron
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They're waiting on a youtube clip.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:42 | 5004546 Freddie
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The Pentagon should work to defend The Constitution from foreign and DOMESTIC (dual citizen) enemies.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:37 | 5004201 Xandrino
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the genius of Joseph Goebbels...

 

Now you see who the real nazi's are...incredible

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:58 | 5004304 MsCreant
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You know that is a gag cover, right? Sorta like, what they would have there if they were honest...

That cover is awesome, so much so that I upvoted this whole post as awesome. I don't normally rate the posts at all, but william deserved it.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:45 | 5004557 Seer
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[oops!}

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:59 | 5004637 NotApplicable
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Thanks to Poe's Law, I never know anymore.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:48 | 5004205 JustObserving
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The demonization of Putin accelerates.  Operation Mockingbird is in overdrive now:

About a third of the whole CIA budget went to media propaganda operations. …We’re talking about hundreds of millions of dollars a year just for that…..close to a billion dollars are being spent every year by the United States on secret propaganda.” –Testimony of William Schapp in 1999, referencing revelations from the Church Committee in 1975

http://consciouslifenews.com/operation-mockingbird-exposed-congressional...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:58 | 5004278 cowdiddly
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The ragtag rebels have been kicking ass and have completely destroyed some of the best Ukraine brigades The 79 paratroopers, the 72 brigaqde gone. Turning the tables a bit, and the installed puppets are jumping ship like the rats they are.

Now time for the pentagon is to starting to freak out. Hence the  failed false flag and propaganda blitz gets to insanity level.http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:01 | 5004312 therevolutionwas
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The installed puppets who jumped ship (or thrown overbaord) will be replaced with more brutal puppets.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:45 | 5004562 Freddie
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Dual citizen puppets.  If the Ukrianian Army had any brains - they would go after the Kiev oligarchs. 

If the US military had any brains....

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:58 | 5004631 Volkodav
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Ukrainian "Red" Mafiya Oligarchs

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 17:05 | 5005285 Kirk2NCC1701
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The Ukes have bungles so badly and now have so little support for escalating military action, that the US and its Neocons have to do all the heavy lifting for them.

The latter now will seek to use the situation as a PRETEXT to enact US legislation ("Russian Aggression Prevention Act"), that effectively declares war on Russia, and allows the US to position military equipment and troops into Ukraine.

What they are doing is exactly the same that FDR did to the Japanese:  Keep provoking, boycotting and cornering them, to provoke them into a 1st strike.  Even though the Europeans, Russians and Ukrainians themselves do not want this.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:38 | 5004206 Impoverished Ps...
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Obomba will not stop until there is war.

USA needs the reset, Vlad does not want one.

Barry O can't win this chess game so he is going to burn the board and the pieces and start again.

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:39 | 5004210 Uncle Remus
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What - did they clone Kerry?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:40 | 5004214 Kaiser Sousa
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CNN Interview with RT Anchor Explodes: (FULL) Chris Cuomo vs Peter Lavelle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92kG2tMBR40

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:57 | 5004299 NoWayJose
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Great interview - now you know why no one watches CNN any more...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:02 | 5004319 john39
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so painful to watch that cnn clown do his dance.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:57 | 5004624 Rock On Roger
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A fine example of american propaganda by a presstitute.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:14 | 5004518 Oldrepublic
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Thanks for that CNN piece

 quote from Peter Lavelle to Chris Cuoma: "You sound like Jen Psaki at the US State Department,"

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 16:09 | 5005011 Freddie
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TV and Hollywood are for idiots who like supporting their serfdom with their viewership.  Fox and Murdoch are no better.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 18:21 | 5005561 mc225
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sigh... i know people who watch cnn religiously. ..also know some other people who think fox is 'better'.

sometimes it reminds me of that tranny chick (chloe sevigny) in the show 'hit and miss' when she tells the kid, 'family has fuck all to do with blood'.

 

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:05 | 5004334 MsCreant
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I got so angry at that plastic prick boy (I guess you call that a dildo or a tool?) that I could not finish it. OH MY GOD!

TYLER CHECK THIS SHIT OUT!!!!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:01 | 5004648 NotApplicable
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As the internet has taught me, "Anything's a dildo, if you're brave enough."

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 19:39 | 5005830 Parrotile
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You might (not) be surprised as to the nature of things removed by my Urologist colleagues over the years, items "not always inserted whilst under the influence of alcohol, or other perception - modifying compounds".

The most memorable "insertion" was a toilet brush (I kid you not!). "Went in OK, but the now backward pointing bristles meant "once in, permanently in"".  The pelvic CT was pretty amazing (especially the 3D reconstruction false colour images).

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 01:09 | 5006497 MsCreant
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Ya know, I am not male, but it hurt to read that. Ow wow!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:52 | 5004598 SofaPapa
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Thank you for this.  What I hear on both sides is propaganda.  The RT anchor is talking his points just as the CNN guy is talking his.  I learned nothing from this interview.  There was no information in there at all.  Whichever side you take, you would come out of this interview with the same side you started with.

RT has a pro-Russian slant.  It is a pro-Russian station.  I think most everyone would agree with that.  They are not balanced or independent journalism.  So for the RT guy to make the Russian talking points makes sense.  The ongoing project, however, is to make clear to people that CNN (and the other MSM as well, including FOX) is playing the exact same role for the US side.  People in Russia know that RT is going to present the govenment's line.  More and more people in the US are finally opening their eyes to the fact that our media is equally the lapdog of the elite who run them.

As I said at the beginning.  There is zero content in here, just a shouting match.  In hosting this garbage, CNN were shown to be the shills they are.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 16:34 | 5005158 Paveway IV
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I want to see an RT-CNN cage match. To make it fair, RT women anchors against CNN men - chainsaws or logic (or both).  CNN would have their ass kicked all the way back to Atlanta. 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:41 | 5004222 Oh regional Indian
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In other news, the NFL is actually the NeFiLim.

And the NBA is the NiBirA.

And the NHL is obviously the NiHiLists.

Other than that, awesome work by WB7 and my sources tell me that the sun will most probably rise tomorrow.

Prepare accordingly.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:56 | 5004224 NuYawkFrankie
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re Pentagon says.... blah blah blah

 

Is this is the same Pentagon that can't figure out where  the missing FOUR $TRILLION went to?

Is this is the same Pentagon that doesnt have any video of what hit it on 9/11 - let alone any remains?

And another thing: how come  the Pentagon Brass have all those ribbons and stamp collections - as big as the front of freekin cereal boxes - on display under their lapels? Its not as if they won a conflict - excluding Grenada - in the past 50 ot 60 years.

Geez - Lord Have Mercy Upon Us!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:04 | 5004669 NotApplicable
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Hey now! Grenada was the highlight of my time in service.

Besides, you forgot Panama. Blasting rock music at Noriega was fucking classic military strategy.

I was just happy Reagan or Bush the Elder didn't kill me.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 16:54 | 5005235 kurt
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Plus, they're dickheads!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:42 | 5004229 firstdivision
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What about all the "powerful weapons" we give to Israel that is being used to kill infants http://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/israel-gaza-child-casualties.jpg

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:44 | 5004244 buzzsaw99
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^this^

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:55 | 5004614 firstdivision
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FYI, US never kills civilians...if you exclude all civilians killed by US forces.

http://cryptome.org/info/kid-kill/kid-kill-01.htm

Israel's weapons are so advanced, they kill future terrorists http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/doctors-gather-around-the-body-of-the-child-mohammed-queen-news-photo/451950028

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:43 | 5004231 yellowsub
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Would that weapon be called the Truth?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:56 | 5004287 therevolutionwas
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The US and most of the western world have a weapon that can shoot that one down  time and again:  The Main Stream Media. 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:43 | 5004233 kowalli
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After the destruction of Yugoslavia usa officer asks Serbs - how do you feel about the most powerful army on earth?
- I do not know, we are not fought against Russian

Do they have a brain?/sacr

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:44 | 5004236 IANAE
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Thanks Tylers

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:44 | 5004245 Racer
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Re-run the WMD bullsh!t but now in the form of TPW  propaganda instead.

The US bully will do anything for an excuse to kill lots of people

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:44 | 5004246 skbull44
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Boogeyman, er, I mean, Russia bad, West good. Wash, rinse, repeat...

 

http://olduvai.ca

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:46 | 5004251 agstacks
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What about the phosphorous bombs the west is supplying to Ukraine? Those are cool, right? 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:46 | 5004254 ted41776
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wmds 2.0

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:48 | 5004256 richsob
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Anything, repeat anything, that's even remotely anti-Russian is automatically labeled as propoganda?  Who is drinking the koolaid here, people?  The Russian apologists are full of shit.  The McCain cheerleaders are too.  Isn't there anyone left who can see the extremists on both sides are itching for a war that serves only their interests......NOT OURS? 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:51 | 5004268 Aussiekiwi
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They are not going to stop until they get the war they want, relax and enjoy the propaganda, at least we all know where this is going, pop corn and beers time because there ain't anything we can do about it.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:56 | 5004619 Winston Churchill
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Sadly Aussie, I can only agree.

We are just helpless  passengers on this runaway train to WWIII.

The dye is cast.All we can do now is prepare as best we can, and get whatever happiness

we can,while waiting for what now seems inevitiable. There are not enough awake to stop this

insanity. We are a failed species, probably deserving of what is coming to us.

As George Carlin said, we going to get everything  we deserve, good and hard .

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:55 | 5004284 buzzsaw99
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the pentagon is NOT credible

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:29 | 5004464 richsob
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Neither is the Kremlin.  None of these people on either side are telling us the absolute truth.  Russians lie.  Americans lie.  Ukrainians lie.  Everybody lies.  Anyone hopping on one band wagon is a fool.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:51 | 5004592 Volkodav
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You can't handle the truth

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:00 | 5004650 gcjohns1971
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Volk,

He just gave you the truth.  Who is not handling it?

If you think men of power are always honest, you are being naive.

Maybe Zayets is not so helpless as you thought?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 20:11 | 5005932 Tall Tom
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This is sad. The hatred of the liars in our own Government has polarized many towards another lying, psychopathic government.

 

Government is not an answer. Government is THE PROBLEM. This just does not mean the US Government. THIS MEANS ANY GOVERNMENT.

 

There are no Political Solutions. God help us all.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 21:38 | 5006147 Anusocracy
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Einstein said nationalism was an infantile disease.

He should have said government.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:23 | 5004771 smacker
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"Jack Nicholson"

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 23:31 | 5006363 trewq
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Only difference is Russians lie for the sake of saving human lives.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:58 | 5004300 Quinvarius
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Dude.  You cannot defend the unsubstantiated horseshit that is spewing from Washington.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:41 | 5004519 V in PA
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He's not. What he is saying (i think) is that this is no different that the domestic Republican vs Democrat bullshit we deal with in America every day. There is money to be made when Russia and America pretend to not like each other.

 

It's Kabuki theater people. Both sides want the same thing. A bullshit war is how they get it.

 

"It's not you or me. It's the fucking banks" - Bring the Noize by M.I.A

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:38 | 5004525 gcjohns1971
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If you had actually read his comment you would realize that he did not.

Criticizing the Kremlin is not the same thing as defending the Pentagon.  That is sloppy thinking.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:14 | 5004385 therevolutionwas
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Russia itching for a war?  I don't see that.  I read and read and read, and I have seen no indication of that.  Do I want to go live in Russia?  No.  But Russia is coming from a soviet past that was a nightmare and they seem to be going in the right direction.  The US has lost it's "exceptional status" in so many ways it is plain old pathetic, and the US is heading toward where Russia has come from.  So far I am on Russia's side on this one.  Never thought I would be saying that, but l have been doing that more and more lately on a multitude of American Sacred Cows.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:58 | 5004629 gcjohns1971
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Then you should be talking to more Russians, and watching their TV.

Russians are wonderful people, but they are acting and talking like crazy people right now.

For them this is about demanding respect.

They are highly offended by the mentality that coined the term "BRICS".  Russians are a first-world country.  Not a developing nation.  And they are willing to end the human race to prove their point.

In the hyperbole, the talk about "NATO ADVANCING TO OUR BORDERS" misses the point that the exact, precise, same people are at the borders as always were.  They just signed a mutual defense agreement that they can refuse to honor at any time.

My neighbor joined the democrats.  Should I say that the democrats are invading my neighbor's land and may be after mine next? Is my neighbor not still my neighbor?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:04 | 5004675 SofaPapa
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If Russia wanted to fight a war in Ukraine, they would already have crossed the border explicitly.  

It appears to me that the Russians are doing what the US says it does everywhere, but in the Russian case, there is a logic lacking on the part of the US.  Russia is giving support to ethnic Russians who are defending themselves from forced assimilation into a system they do not grant legitimacy.  There is strong logic to that stance, especially since this is RUSSIA's BORDER!!!  The US could make similar arguments if they sent arms to parts of Canada which were being suspiciously run by a Russian-backed government that had an unclear mandate for leadership.  But that's not remotely the position the US is in.

The US role in Ukraine is abhorrent and has zero to do with the popular will of the people of the US.  That this is what we are supposed to rally around to be patriotic?  It's sickening.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:36 | 5004511 gcjohns1971
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RichSOB,

Don't you know that 'fact' is defined by who is speaking, not by the content of their speech?

Don't you that if Pentagon always lies it must mean that Kremlin speaks only truth?

Don't you know that we are in binary game-world where good guys and bad guys are clearly defined and opposed?

Glad we sorted that out.

 

Try it amongst yourselves.  Write, "Liar" on four pieces of paper - but tell everyone you only wrote it on one piece.  Then gather three friends and tell them we're going to play a game called "Guess the Liar".

Everyone will draw one of the pieces of paper from the hat.  The one that reads "Liar" is suppsed to be the liar.  Then tell all of them to repeat a news headline from the last week.  (Of course, the liar will choose one that is a lie). 

Then it is everyone's job to rank who is most likely the liar from 1-4.

You will note that, of course, all four of them will have been forced involutarily to speak the truth...because the real liar was you, when you told them that only one piece of paper had 'Liar' written on it.

This is the mentality of the Non-Sapiens Homo-Monachus - the useful idiot who is incapable of coherent thought.

He actually believes that because you SAY only one can be a liar, that ACTUALLY only one can be a liar.

But why bother talking to what is essentially a hairless chimpanzee?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 16:52 | 5005225 kurt
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Why elevate him? Primates use 17% of their time in survival related efforts. The rest is spent playing, napping, grooming, and having sex. 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 17:21 | 5005351 Omen IV
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The only person full of shit is …you!

The doctrine of false equivalency is what you are promoting – this mess since day one was a USA invention check out the tapes by Nuland back in February

Stop you insipid bullshit

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 20:36 | 5006002 Tall Tom
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In both Love and War it takes two to dance. Just consider that thought. You know it is true.

 

Is war in your best interests?

 

Does war serve to reinstate Russia back to her Pinnacle, her Empire Days, if they emerge victorious?

 

How long has Russia been using her Oil to attack US Dollar hegemony? Did this begin after her default in 1998?

 

It is not as simple as it seems.

 

You see the USA start shit in Ukraine. Yes we did. Was that a response to Russia for stopping the shit we were planning in Syria? Yes it was. What what the Russian moves before that time? Do you remember?

 

Russia senses weakness in US resolve. This is the best time for them to act. They have not had any better opportunity since Jimmy Carter.

 

(Hell the former Soviet Ambassador to the USA declared that if Carter had been reelected then they would have delivered a Nuclear First Strike against the USA. They believed that Carter was not willing to retaliate.)

 

This has been going on for longer than I have been alive and I am 55 Years Old.

 

War is a Racket and Smedley Butler is right.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:48 | 5004259 lasvegaspersona
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This is embarrasing. The propaganda machine of the USA makes Pravda and Isvestia look like the  Readers Digest. If we have a beef and evidence...prove it and show it. All these weak and unproven allegations hurt the country.

There was a time when American citizens would rally to the cause. Now most of us do not even know what the cause is. We are treated like enemies of the state with spying and threats to our rights. It is becoming clear that it is the preservation of the status of those in power is the central goal of the government and the well being of the nation is a far far second.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:48 | 5004261 pathetic looser
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they've been saying lots of things . mostly nonsence . no outrage from people ....

no one is calling them on their bullshit. trillions of funding are flowing steadily. will changes come , i doubt

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:51 | 5004274 The Most Intere...
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Here we go... time to juice the economy with some good ole' war spending...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:54 | 5004280 Bastiat
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Nothing about the Ukraine government forces using powerful weapons to slaughter civilians?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:55 | 5004286 orangegeek
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just in time to launch the drones and save Barry in the mid-terms

 

politicians - not quite banksters, but close

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:02 | 5004320 MassDecep
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It's all about the midterm elections, even though the elections are rigged. They need the sentiment to be kind of present before they alter the ELECTRONIC votes.

And, ohh what the heck, let the masses have a few carrots here and there so we can keep the allusion that their vote counts.

You silly sheeple...

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 13:56 | 5004290 alexcojones
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Pentagram should know about Powerful Weapons.

Officials Cite “Thermo-Nuke” in 9/11 Demo

   "The United States possesses and may well have used a devastating weapon designed to emulate terror attacks and even natural disasters."

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:01 | 5004307 JulienFR
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Did they find a "classified" tweet or a "private" youtube video as "proof" ? 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:00 | 5004309 NOTaREALmerican
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Ronald Reagan - who proved deficits didn't matter - gave us prosperous times by building up Big-MIC.   It could work again.  All it takes is more loot to Big-MIC.

(Sorry you died to soon Tom Clancy.   If you had lived, you'd might have gotten your fantasy of a US / Russia show-down with real armies fighting with REAL weapons!) 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 16:25 | 5005098 Uncle Remus
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As did Herr Schicklgruber.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:01 | 5004311 Yancey Ward
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Many Bothans died to bring us this information.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:07 | 5004314 ThisIsBob
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Jeezus.  You really can't expect to be blowing up hundreds of Russian civilians just across the dotted line and expect to get away with it.  I think Putin has shown admirable restraint.

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:39 | 5004845 Winston Churchill
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Even incredible .

Most Americans seem incapable of putting themselves into the other guys shoes.

Makes them exceptional , in a special education sort of way.

Present company excepted,of course.

Putin must be having real trouble keeping his military in check right now.

If the roles were reversed, US troops would already be knee deep in blood, and guts.

We are fast approaching the point where this gets out of control, and I see

no leaders(fullstop) in the west  that can stop the momo on this trainwreck.

A bang ,not a wimper.He was wrong.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 19:00 | 5005363 Paveway IV
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"...Most Americans seem incapable of putting themselves into the other guys shoes. Makes them exceptional , in a special education sort of way..."

 

It's getting better, but not sure if we're out of the single-digit percentage yet. Suburban midwest working mothers are a good barometer of how deep the psychopathy really runs in America. No, not some repressed misogyny on my part - it's my wife that keeps pointing this disturbing fact out to me. A good percentage of teen-agers, old people, first-generation immigrants and ex-military seem to have a more balanced view of the world. Maybe that's just my unrepresentative experience. Coincidentally, those groups are all at the very bottom target demographic for all forms of U.S. mainstream media. They don't read newspapers and don't watch cable news. Casual or causal relationship?

 

"...Present company excepted,of course..."

Bullshit. Few people on ZH have ever truly experienced abject poverty and simultaneously getting fucked over by the system while they're vulnerable. They are incapable of understanding social injustice and the soul-crushing misery that accompanies it. Too many formerly claimed fake-poor on ZH just equate their so-called poverty with a temporary lack of money. I would gladly punch the first fucker in the face here that offers his/her inspirational story of how they single-handedly worked their way out of their fake poverty, therefore everyone else who hasn't is lazy, an EBT queen or social parasite. If the story doesn't end with "...but I was incredibly fucking lucky to escape" then they were never really poor. I dispise the 20% or so very visible free-shit army poor exploiting everyone, but I'm more concerned about the fate of other 80% invisible fucked-over powerless poor that get punished for the crimes of the 20%.  

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 09:42 | 5006875 Winston Churchill
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Collective psycopathy .

Not something I had considered as a concept, but it makes sense.

Being taught in a public school near you.

Who says psycopaths don't work in tandem ?

Most Americans have no concept of destitution. Seeing photos is very different to

seeing it first hand, so what yardstick are you using ?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:02 | 5004318 alexcojones
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Man O Man,

SIR Francis Sawyer has been on a tear since coming back from vacation,

And receiving a Knighthood from the Queen.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:42 | 5004854 Winston Churchill
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Cur Francis, Knight Commander of the Bath(tub).

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:05 | 5004336 world_debt_slave
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propaganda for the masses

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:12 | 5004372 rsnoble
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US is just jealous they havn't already.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:13 | 5004376 Fuku Ben
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WMD II - Putin Strikes Back

&

Pentagon Fully Loaded

An exciting Disney death and destruction double feature coming soon to a theater near you. Maybe even sooner than you think.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-23/decline-influence#comment-4995323

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:20 | 5004388 TomGa
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Come to think of it, we were told by these same organizations that good ol' Saddam Hussein also had powerful weapons, WMDs supposedly, that the intelligence agencies were afraid he would use or transfer as well.  It ended up being all lies and excuses to do some nasty things in the Middle East.  I knew this story sounded familiar....

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:18 | 5004402 One of We
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It's on now, Vlad.  Jen, Vicky, and Lurch are about to unleash a chocolate chip and snickerdoodle offensive with instagram salvos supporting an unfriending pincer movement.  They're going to hashtag your ass back to the myspace age you commie bastards!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:41 | 5004543 Wahooo
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Perfect for the kenyan. I will tell you one thing: if the American sheeple would not stand for a larger battle in Syria, they sure the fuck won't stand for a war with Russia.

If the ziocons running this country decide to mix it up with the Russians, then they better declare martial law here because they are going to need it.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:17 | 5004405 JohninMK
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Not sure what 'super' weapon the Russians need to supply.

The 'rebels' seem to be doing pretty well with what they have got. It seems all they need are more soldiers, self propelled morters/guns/AA, tanks etc i.e. old tech gear that is easy for the semi-trained to operate.

Were they to get attack helicopters/more than one SU25 that would be a game changer.

But, as breaking the morale of the Ukrainian Army must be one of the biggest targets for the 'rebels, perhaps the US announcing a new 'super' weapon arriving is just the biscuit.

Another US PR success.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:18 | 5004409 MsCreant
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I must confess to getting pretty confused at times. 

As a child, I lied here and there, no doubt about it. When I told lies, I did not tell lies that could be checked on, and I tried to tell lies that were plausible. I would not accuse someone else of something, because that will blow up in a conflict with the person you lied on, you don't want a lie like that. I have lied by confessing to a lesser crime, a crime that matched the circumstances, verses telling the truth, which was a whole lot worse than what I confessed to. 

This kind of lying they are doing is so stupid, it's like they WANT TO BE CAUGHT.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:35 | 5004501 Bastiat
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They're so arrogant they don't care if they're "caught."  Who will catch them?  They could care less. 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:02 | 5004662 Seer
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At one point I thought that the previous POTUS administration was incompetent and a bunch of liars.  Eventually I saw all that they were doing as being based on pure desperation.

Keep in mind that it doesn't bode well that, as "leaders" of us (in the US; and, sadly, for many in the world, for much of the world too), this means that what's coming is going to be really ugly...

The truth of the Big Lie (that we can have perpetual growth) would never be accepted by the masses anyway.  So, TPTB just keep the game rolling.  If you're going to go out anyway then do it as we've been programmed to do it: "in a blaze of glory."

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:20 | 5004759 smacker
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"...it's like they WANT TO BE CAUGHT."

I've had the same feeling for a while. Perhaps they want to push citizens to the point of mass uprising so they can justify introducing martial law and start slaughtering thousands. Whilst all that is going on, they could get away with creating hell around the world.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:20 | 5004412 Stumpy4516
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Not saying it is more than 50% but it feels like the US is going to unleash something by Monday.  Something that takes things to a new level again.  In the open or clandestine, violence or fiscal.  This is going by nothing more than where they are driving the propoganda and how they seem to be nervous about the M17 info Russia may have.  Combine that with their main puppet in Ukrain resigning and the very recent further moving of Germany, Turkey, France and some others away from the US in small ways.  The sudden hints of having "official" info that may link SA to 911, the tieing of Qatar to Hamas in media reports and how Russia appears to be getting approval for the southern pipeline.

 

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:16 | 5004741 smacker
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Is it possible that a "major terror incident" will happen which will distract the world while something else even more evil goes on?

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 01:02 | 5006488 conscious being
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Maybe Sunday's New Moon makes Monday auspicious?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:25 | 5004442 Hannibal
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US  ‘Superbomb’ too classified for Obama to know

 

“It is called a “Nuclear Thermobaric bomb”.  This is what the 10,000lb bomb is that the B-2 was modified for. It uses a 1 kiloton primary surrounded by over 5,000 lbs. of iron oxide in powdered form. The devices are placed into a thick steel case, similar in looks to the Fat Man Bomb used on Hiroshima in 1945. The iron oxide or thermite is used as a secondary to make a very large heat wave blast.
 
It converts neutrons into infrared thermal heat energy, reducing fallout. It is an “infrared neutron bomb”. If you place several tons of iron oxide around a small nuke it will turn it into a massive enhanced radiation weapon. The neutron bomb is not the only enhanced weapon. There is an entire series of these devices such as the X-ray bomb and the EMP bomb. All primaries are nuclear. The secondaries vary depending on need or use.”

more:

www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/07/officials-site-thermo-nuke-in-911-demo/

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:04 | 5004672 Seer
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Good to see that we're not losing faith in technology!

</sarc>

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 16:24 | 5005093 kurt
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So, like, for you DYI guys. You know that Buick you have out past the mud pit? Yeah, the rusty heap. That's iron oxide! Now stick it inside the old box truck, that'll be your steel case. You could use a cheap shipping container too if you remembered to pick up some welding rod. So all you need is the 1 kiloton primary. Now I don't rightly know what that is but I'd bet you could get it on Craigslist. Hook it all up to your mud buggy and head on out to Warshington DC, head up yonder to the Pentergon and tell the feller at the desk you'd like to sell it to him to drop on ol' Putin's head cuz he's fixin to sock us in the noggin.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:27 | 5004454 WTFisThat
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If this is the endgame then think-tanks have plans setup just for those scenarios... start a big war or... release the classified UFO information, second option may actually works better since it would probably initiate global revolution, chose your poison…

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:09 | 5004699 Seer
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I DO believe that it comes down to one of two choices, war or revelation of some truth (which is an actual fact).  I don't think, however, that there's anything sexy like UFOs behind the "truth/fact" (our minds are hyperactive when it comes to sensationalizing the common).  The real "UFO" is the revelation that, wait for it... we've lied about our abilities to perpetually grow! (well, that we can do so without killing off others [war]- quite the letdown when you've been programmed to believe that you're a member of a peace-loving nation).

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:31 | 5004483 q99x2
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What hat at t. Putin utin tin in n. is s. that hat at t.?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:33 | 5004491 walküre
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#RIP SirFrancisSawyer

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:33 | 5004811 Stumpy4516
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What gives? Was he banned again?  The posts he made did not seem to violate the guidelines.  For the most part he left out the tribe in his posts, I thought.

Sat, 07/26/2014 - 01:08 | 5006495 conscious being
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I got here too late.  Did he have anything good to say?  Was that really him?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:35 | 5004822 MsCreant
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So it would seem...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:36 | 5004505 Beowulf55
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Can I call Bull Shit?  Or would that be un-patriotic?

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:42 | 5004549 wonderatitall
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....ths just in- the pentagon says chicago is run by....wait for it....rooskies. its why there is so much death in a peaceful democratic dicktatorship. ...and bush did it

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:39 | 5004510 Jack Burton
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It's  clear from reading Russian and Donbass social media that pressure on Putin to help the rebels is white hot. Too many pictures of dead civilians are hitting youtube and the Russian media channels. Reports from the Self Defense Force fighters of winning battles but still being forced to give ground because of Kiev's unlimited heavy artillery, multiple rocket launchers and air support. Also mass tank columns that are simply too big to be stopped. All the rebels are asking for is the arms to make it an even fight. Ukraine is now entering it's third military draft order. The first two drafts have already been chewed up by the fight in the east. Now a whole new draft call up is needed. Check even Ukrainian media, they can't hide the protests over this new call up, and the hundreds of mothers who do not know where their sons are who were called up in the last two drafts. Dead or captured most likley. 3,500 of them are registered as deserters by the rebel administration, plus Russia has several hundred Ukrainian soldiers who ran across the border. A hospital in Rostov has several dozen Ukie wounded who came across to get medical help, which Russia has gave them.

Look, Ukraine is broke, no money for soldiers pay, but the USA will send what they need to keep fighting. But the overall economy is in collapse. The government just fell. Winter is coming and the fuel price increases are coming into effect. Russia has shut off their gas. Putin needs to keep the East Ukraine fighters equipped for defense until AMerica's Kiev experiment in fascism collapses into an internal blood bath by February or March. Maybe earlier/

Russia has sent some heavy weapons, but not enough. Rumor out of Russia is that because of recent Ukie advances and the rebels lack of tanks and artillery, Russia will begin a new round of supply for the rebels. if they do not, then the rebels could be defeated by October.

As for CNN, go fuck yourself!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 19:12 | 5005732 TheReplacement
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The terrorists (rebels) are on the offensive, defensive.  Everyone knows you attack to the rear.  That is why the Ukrainians must keep advancing, so they can defend.  #Duh

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:39 | 5004523 tony wilson
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newsweek is it

or just jew speaks

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:40 | 5004530 Jack Burton
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JewSA! Jewsa! Jewsa!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:41 | 5004532 Hannibal
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Catastrophic Desertions and Losses in the Ukrainian Army - Official Ukrainian Reports, July 19, 2014
"Preamble by Gleb Bazov: It is rare that we report on the workings of the aggressor across the battle lines. This item is different. Before you is a translation, kindly prepared by Valentina Lisitsa, of a report from the head of the Ukrainian Security Service, V.O. Nalyvaichenko, to the President of Ukraine, P.A. Poroshenko. It is an important document, which, we hope, you will distribute widely. No further commentary is necessary, other than the following brief quotation. According to V.O. Nalyvaichenko, "2/3 of the active combat military units currently participating in the ATO will simply cease to exist in as little as 4 to 5 days" due to mass desertions and casualties. To provide context for this letter, provided below is another document recently publicized as an internal memorandum from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence, which details recent casualties of the Ukrainian army, equally as catastrophic as its desertion rates .. We admit the possibility that all the fighters have been purged by the separatists. In vide of the concentration of a large number of fighters near the airport, as well as lack of prospects in conducting an evacuation of the members of the National Guard from the Donetsk airport, I propose to withdraw the units of the Ukrainian military to the area of Avdeevka in order to regroup them for a further attack against the forces of the separatists. An Accounting of the Losses among Ukrainian Military, the Militants and the Civilians in the Donetsk and the Lugansk regions (for the period from July 9-15, 2014)"... more: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/07/catastrophic-desertions-and-los...
Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:47 | 5004572 Jack Burton
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Very interesting. See my new post below!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:42 | 5004545 gcjohns1971
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The Russians/US are bad/good just like the Democrats/Republicans are bad/good.

 

They are both after the same thing.  Getting us to fight for them is how they determine who will be first in line to consume your life's wealth.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:46 | 5004564 Jack Burton
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 "These pictures became fairly monotone over the last month. Considering that the junta is being constantly hammered on such positions in clear field, involuntarily the thought creeps that those fascists who yell about betrayal in headquarters are not that far away from the truth, it appears that a portion of officers is sabotaging the punitive operation by dumping the information about troop movements to the militia, effectively setting them up for an attack."

The above comments were posted along with a long string of pictures taken of the Ukie 72 brigade's totally destroyed positions. Telephone calls by soldiers back home to relatives report being put into postions they can't defend and out in the open. They wonder how the rebels can shell them so effective. Some think traitors and anti fascists inside the Ukie army are sending intelligence to the rebels. This is very plausable.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 17:41 | 5005444 JohninMK
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Spot on there Jack.

Given that the Russian and Ukrainian militaries have worked together since WW2 there will be a lot of 'commrades in arms' which would lead to information interchange. In addition, the Russians built the equipment in the Ukrainian communications, command and control systems so there are probably back doors there plus detailed knowledge of its physical routing. Finally, the GRU is bound to have a very strong physical presence in the country.

The more the Ukrainian solders think there is a fifth column operating the lower there morale will be so that is a key GRU objective. Seems to be working.

More moral 'boosting' is when their Government says (and its on the web so must be true as the US says) it is losing dead 30:1 to the rebels along with lots of gear destroyed, desertion is a big problem and it is out of money next week so thay won't get paid. All the US will say is that they can have $33million by the end of the year.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:47 | 5004573 altheatoldme
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I'm just wondering how it came to be that just about everybody who comments on this website is a paranoid, spouting anti-American sentiment. so lame...

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:52 | 5004603 Gregor Samsa
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Ya! What happened to "Support the Troops?" Huh guys? We need to SUPPORT THE TROOPS!

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 15:54 | 5004945 Winston Churchill
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Go back to sleep.

We are sorry we tried to wake you up.

Ignore that big statish cock up your ass,and learn to enjoy your serfdom.

Is that better ?

Bye.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 17:12 | 5005319 Jack Burton
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"The people learn to love their chains".

No lie is too big for some people. They turn on CNN and actually BELIEVE that this is news.

Who is anti American, the people for the constitution, or the rabid war mongers necon Israels who run this country. This clown above thinks HE is a patriot. Or is he got a stake in Israel perhaps? Just asking.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 17:10 | 5005301 Omen IV
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"comments on this website is a paranoid, spouting anti-American sentiment"

NOT - paranoid - just constanly looking for multiple causes of action and assume from experience the US government is the cause

NOT - anti-american - against the mission of the US goverment  while recognizing complicity of the great unwashed stupid mothafuckers they call americans

ask any guy 65 - why was the USA in Vietnam? and was Gulf of Tonkin a false flag?

there is no one - no one -  who i have asked for the last twenty years believes the US was right - most support especially vets - Ho Ho Ho Chi Ming position

this will end the same except Puin will kick US ass into the dirt - I hope  - so we end this game forever

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 20:52 | 5006051 Tall Tom
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I want the immoral game to end also.

 

But we have to do it ourselves instead of relying upon Putin. We need to end it.

 

I know that the Gulf of Tonkin was just one of many False Flag Ops. I am as upset as you, if not moreso, for our illlegal war behavior.

 

Hell the bastards infected me with a bad dose of Lyme Disease.

 

Borriela was not ever this potent until after the Germ Warfare Lab at Plum Island Genetically modified the strain to be used as a weapon...against...Russia.

 

I also have other reasons. The Oligarch is the antithesis of what our Founders fought and perished for.

 

We must do the dirty work ourselves if we have any hope for the restoration of Liberty and Freedom.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 17:34 | 5005406 rwe2late
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altheatoldme,

what IS lame

is your attempt to substitute lame accusation for argument,

and to wrap yourself in pretended patriotism,

instead of presenting reasoned arguments and facts

to support whatever it is you imagine you believe in.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 22:50 | 5006273 TheReplacement
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I'm just wondering how it came to be that just about everybody who works in government is corrupt, spouting anti-Russian lies.  You know the rest.

Fri, 07/25/2014 - 14:48 | 5004576 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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And surely with every US spy satellite trained at east Ukraine,

Not just the US. I would imagine there is also at least one or more commercial satellites that the general public can use parked over the Ukraine right now.

I'm sure at some point we'll have dueling banjos going on concerning satellite images.

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