Multiple Reports: Ukrainian Fighter Jets Were with Malaysian Flight 17 When It Was Shot Down

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Senior U.S. officials now admit that the Malaysian airlines passenger plane was likely accidentally shot down.

The Russian government claims Ukrainian fighter jets were flying very close to Malaysian Flight 17 when it was shot down.

Eyewitness interviews by BBC Russia lend weight to these allegations:

Eyewitness #1: … And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everybody saw it.

 

Eyewitness #2: Yes, yes. It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one.

 

Eyewitness #3: There were sounds of an explosion. But they were in the sky. They came from the sky. Then this plane made a sharp turn-around like this. It changed its trajectory and headed in that direction [indicating the direction with her hands].

 

A local pro-Russian commander says that Ukrainian fighter jets routinely hid behind civilian airplanes, and then dropped bombs on the Russian separatists (also via BBC):

They use these civilian aircraft to hide behind them. It is only now that they stopped flying over us – but, usually, civilian aircraft would always fly above us. And they hide [behind them]. [The experience in] Slavyansk had demonstrated that they would fly out from behind a civilian aircraft, bomb away, and then hide, once again, behind the civilian aircraft and fly away.

He made the statement after Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 was shot down.

However, a Youtube video made a month before Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot down also alleges that Ukranian fighter jets were hiding behind passenger planes, pulling away temporarily, dropping bombs on Ukrainian separatists, and then hiding again behind the plane (minor corrections of spelling and punctuation):

Terrible things are happening. For example, an incident that happened recently: passenger plane was flying by, and Ukrainian attack aircraft hid behind it. Then he lowered his altitude a bit and dropped bombs on residential sector of Semenovka town. Then he regained the altitude and hid behind the passenger plane again. Then he left.

They wanted to provoke the militia to shoot at the passenger plane. There would be a global catastrophe. Civilians would have died.

Then they would say that terrorists here did it. There are no terrorists here. There are regular people here that came out in defense of their own city.

Further investigation is needed ...

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crazzziecanuck's picture

Never going to happen. Too many if the elite there have "bought in."

The Yankee establishment knows that if they force the EU to make a final decision when it comes to West versus East, the EU will choose the West. Choosing to go what seems to be an inevitable future would be too much short-term gain to overcome political upheaval back home. The self-preservation instinct comes home to roost. The political calculation is the same: do we avoid a lot of pain and capitulate to American interests or do we risk massive pain for something that may happen...

I figure they can convince themselves they can walk an accommodating path. Got news for them. America has no allies, just people they bully less.

StormShadow's picture

"America has no allies, just people they bully less."

Brilliant statement, and unfortunately quite true.

Pejorative Requiem's picture

(Insert country of choice here) has no allies, etc.

Russia has no allies, just people they bully less

hero HNL's picture

It's like the USN Vincennes CG-49 shooting down the Iranian Airliner thinking it was an Iranian F-14. It happened in 1988. Also the Russian rebels were complaining on Twitter or somewhere that the Ukranians were using civilian aircrafts as shields before this accident.

 

It's hard to tell the difference when 2 targets are close like in the movie Top Gun. Very sad it happened.

NOZZLE's picture

Figures, the worthless US media, Fox included, failed to report during the past several months the use of Phosphorus bombs on civilian targets and the obvious masking of bombers using civilian aircraft.

Is that brunette holding what looks like a Yugo PAP M92?

novictim's picture

I dare Princess Putin to announce on that clown show you call "RT NEWS" that a Ukrainian Fighter shot down MH17.  No!  I DOUBLE dare him.

You losers would make a mockery of the murder of 290+ international travelers and then let drunken Russian Monkeys paw all over their bodies and personal effects.  The world looks with disgust at you all.

And where ever you travel just know that the askance looks are for real.  The Thai and the German alike all think "Those miserable Russian tourists... what a bunch of scum bags."

Well done.  All of this so you can screw your cousins in Ukraine?  Unbelievably stupid of you all.

Dublinmick's picture

The the Ukrainraelis are your cousins movictim. Nuttingyahoo just declared it the khazar homeland.

basho's picture

lol sounds just like one of many trolls on RT. rant on.

tumblemore's picture

There are lots of ways a UA jet in the vicinity of MH17 could be relevant. It doesn't need to have anything to do with air-to-air missiles. What was interesting at one of the State Dept. press briefings last week was when the Russian radar track evidence was discussed the spokeswoman reeled off a list of reasons why it wasn't a AAM but very carefully *didn't* specifically deny the presence of UA jets.

 

Nexus789's picture

Based on a timeline of events the people that are really responsible for the airline disaster are the degenerates in Washington and their funding of the Neo Nazi numbnuts in Kiev. 

Tinky's picture

Now that is an impressively supported thesis. 

novictim's picture

Thesis?  You moron, this was no essay!  I dared Putin to state this nonsense he has his cowardly RT NEWS spreading.

Where did you learn English?  Russia?  LOL

basho's picture

" I dared Putin" i'm sure he's taking your dare very seriously LOL

Dublinmick's picture

LOL I am sure Putin is shaking in his boots over some pimple faced israeli kid punching a computer in Haife for extra high school credit.

nathan1234's picture

There's no no need for Putin to say anything

Obama, Porky and their minions have the foot in their mouth disease.

They will succumb very soon to this disease

Nexus789's picture

You are getting your 'this' and 'that' mixed up and your syntax has a lot to be desired. Keep practicing and you will improve.  Bit odd calling someone a moron when you are clearly not able to express yourself effectively.

novictim's picture

"Bit odd..."

Now, what were you saying about English grammar skills?

shovelhead's picture

Damn that Putin for spoiling your Soviet dream.

Better go enjoy Maduro while he lasts.

novictim's picture
"Multiple Reports: Ukrainian Fighter Jets Were with Malaysian Flight 17 When It Was Shot Down"

 

No one believes this bullshit.  You are embarrassing yourselves. 

Go drink some more Vodka.

Dublinmick's picture

Shouldn't you be wading around the wreckage in Gaza trying to steal a few organs before they go bad?

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nathan1234's picture

You have an appointment with Chairwoman Yellen to hand over your funds

If you refuse you will be handed over to Lerner of the IRS

 

Kina's picture

Well there is little doubt now the commericial airliner was short down from Ukrainian controlled territory, and that it was herded into the area for the purpose of being shot down.

 

The video shows the missile fire and time...gps location should nail it down exactly...as it did.

 

Will the MSM reveal this data to the world? LoL no of course not, it doesn't suit the US plan of starting war in the Ukraine.

 

But maybe doesn't matter, if Germany sees the evidence it will know for certain that Ukraine murdered 300 people in a plane as a false flag.

Ocean22's picture

NWO promise to the Jews, New York Times, 1940.

Who says the NWO is not true. ?

http://youtu.be/GJnR3yJ88Xk

shovelhead's picture

Lol

The Roman Empire called itself the New World Order too.

US Civil War end called a New World Order.

Same for WWI.

I don't think it's a patented trademark ...

Yet.

theyjustcantstop's picture

have the ukraians seen their future, lybia, egypt, syria,iraq, o'bamas mo..

 

 

I Write Code's picture

Come on, it's a "George Washington" thread, who's going to be first to blame it on the Joos ... OK, already done, thanks.

Dublinmick's picture

I am a victim oh lawd I am a victim.

You need to throw in the chidren for shield thing once in awhile also.

nathan1234's picture

 

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You write the Heblew code

Duffy Duck's picture

Hey asshole, blaming it on {or suspecting} specific, corrupt, dual citizen Ukrainian billionaire with deep ties to Israel isn't blaming it on "the Jews."  Moreover, your position seems to be Jewish people can never be accused of wrong doing because, in your mind, it's automatically "Joo hate."

And suspecting that the Israel which got caught in a few false flags may have done others - you don't even consider it, why, because it's Joooooooooooooos, and heavens, they could never do something like that!  So any criticism of Israel is just dismissed, by racist, racialist, dimwit trolls like you, before even considering the evidence.

Go fuck yourself with that tired bullshit.  If someone suggested it was Hamas or Hezbollah, not only would you not deem it "blaming the Moooslims" you'd believe it without evidenceSo: Fuck you.

BigJim's picture

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Duffy Duck's picture

I still think the most likely scenario is that Kiev/CIA tricked the rebels into shooting the commercial airliner down, they diverted it from the commercial flight path, didn't convey the change, and maybe gave off a spoof signal that the jetliner was a military bomber.  This way, the rebels, easily spun as Russian supported, can be said to have shot it down because they actually did.

However,

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/20/what-did-us-spy-satellites-see-in-u...

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2014/07/23/flight-mh17-likely-shot-down-by-...

http://nodisinfo.com/zionist-jews-behind-mh17-crash-catastrophe/

 

Viewed as the criminal act it was, I'd name Kolomoisky as both a person of interest, and, quite probably, a sayanim for Mossad.

tvdog's picture

Good links. It is useful to remember that the Ukrainian Army is not under unified command. The defense minister controls part of it, the interior minister another part, and Kolomoisky has his own militia fighting on the same side.

drdolittle's picture

Do fighters bomb effectively from 33k feet? And, if they have to drop 10k feet, shouldn't they be distiguishable by radar? Don't doubt they were baiting militia into shooting at them and hitting passenger airline, just doubt using airliner as coverage for bombing runs. In any event, the plane was routed over a klnown conflict zone and Ukraine gov took immediate control of tower communications with pilot. That alone is damning without any jet escort. Perhaps fighter jets did shoot down passenger airline or were there in case militia did miss. Either way, ukrainian gov is responsible.

Winston Churchill's picture

You are assuming a lot.

The SA 11 launcher is very pretty to parade around for morale purposes.

Its useless without the Tellar master radars, and a very well trained crew.

According to Janes , the Russians ceased operational use of SA11's around 2001.

The only combatant in Ukraine with all three prerequisites is Kiev or its warlords.

Even then it would be a very lucky shot with a solo missile, they were designed to fire

en salvo,like many soviet era weapons.

There is a lot more to this story, that we will probably never know.

tumblemore's picture

"Do fighters bomb effectively from 33k feet?"

 

Modern fighters with stand-off weapons maybe but a Su-25 very unlikely but "hiding behind" in this context doesn't necessarily mean physically hiding behind an airliner at 33,000 feet as BUK missiles are guided by radar.

So the question is how the radar guidance on that specific SAM system works i.e. can it distinguish between a very large (airliner) and very small (jet fighter) radar signature when they are close together (and how close is "close" ) or is there a chance that specific missile's radar guidance can lock onto the biggest radar signature it can "see" while in flight in which case "hiding behind" may mean staying close enough to the airliner to be masked by the bigger radar signature or close enough for it to be possible for a missile to lock onto the wrong target thereby preventing launch.

 

For example a training missile missing it's dummy target and locking onto an airliner seems to have been what brought down Siberian Airlines Flight 1812.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812

 

Step one is confirming (or not) the presence of UA jets in the vicinity of MH17 and where they were flying relative to MH17. That would narrow down the range of possibilities.

 

shovelhead's picture

An SU 25 has a service ceiling limit of 23,000 ft. unloaded. Max armed load 16,000 ft. R-60 AA missiles have a max. 5 mile range.

It seems to me that a loaded SU-25 flying at about half the height of an airliner would show up on radar as a distinct and separate signature but I have no expertise in the field so I can only guess.

Another guess is that the SU-25 would have to be well behind the airliner to use the R-60 to knock it down making itself visible to ground and air radar but putting it at the limit of the missiles range.

The SU-25 would be flying max speed to match airliner cruising speed.

Might be like a pistolero shooting a nickle tossed in the air.

tempo's picture

Does O want a hot war w Russia?? Only if the rich have all the gold and a financial collapse is about to occur. It will be delayed because there is still more money to steal. But it is worrisome that US/Germany appear to want a confrontation w Russia. Every major conflict (Syria, Iraq, Israel, Ukraine, Afganisan)has US/Germany/Saudi/Qutar on one side and Russia/Iran/China on the other pulling the strings. Very dangerous.

Dolar in a vortex's picture

I can't understand why China hasn't annexed Taiwan.

What's Obama going to do? Send Kerry to surrender? Send Biden with a doule barrel shotgun?

I really expected them to move weeks ago.

BuckShotJones's picture

Being in the service years ago, I recall ,in the very early 80s, the Israeli Air Force used the same tactic - tucking next to a commercial flight as cover for a bomber and escorts; enabling them to fly undetected all the way to Iraq 's  nuclear power plant. If the Ukrainians employed the same military tactic, it would explain alot.

Why the flight was diverted off its route  - because bombers were ready to make a targeted run. Why Ukraine's Security Service's subsequently took custody of  the air traffic control tapes - the tapes were evidence of their culpability in using civilians as "human shields" for their bombers.  

It would also explain the reports of why the plane was ordered to a lower altitude - in order to make a bomber decent safer through least exposure time as possible.

This does not prove what side of the conflict actually shot down the commercial airline but it would indicate the side that was really culpable in the deaths. ..and it would be further evidence that the U.S  likely knew of the tactic employed by Ukraine and (at the very least) consented to using the tactic in their bombing runs as our military and CIA advisors are in Ukraine counseling the Ukrainian government.

 

 

 

supermaxedout's picture

This makes a lot of sense. Im sure this is the truth because its a simply explanation but backed by strong logic.  The truth is most often very simple we only can not see it because we are lacking the background info.

ebear's picture

I have a simple solution to this problem.  Install rear viewing, wide angle cameras on all commercial jets.  Then, if someone is tailing you, instruct them on an open channel to break off.  If they don't, then declare May Day and land at the nearest airport.

This shit has got to stop, and commercial airlines need to step up.  Make a point of only flying on those lines that have this capacity.  They spend all kinds of money making sure the wrong people and luggage don't get on board, how much additional cost would this be?

Any airline people reading this, especially flight crews, pass it up the chain.  Got a labor union or association?  Tell them too.   After all, it's your lives they're playing with as well as ours - all the moreso since you spend more time in the air. 

alexcojones's picture

And this from Veterans Today,

Breaking: Russian Satellite Imagery on MH17

Video shows Kolomoisky forces firing on MH17.    "These units are led by Israeli volunteers. Thus far, this is the “best evidence” though we are still going with wreckage until the US can offer its own suppressed satellite imagery."

Why would I not be surprised?

 

Duffy Duck's picture

Duff claims to have been an intelligence officer, huh?

Seems more like a psy-ops guy to me, but what does this duck know....

BigJim's picture

Though I wouldn't put it past the Israelis - I mean, look at how much this whole MH17 thing has distracted the sheep from Gaza - I wouldn't trust Duff as far as I can spit.

This is the guy who claims Israel used 'mini-nukes' on Damascus... as if the Syrians, Iranians, Russians and Chinese wouldn't have been all over that, shouting about it from the rooftops.

I sometimes wonder if the more virulent anti-Israelis are funded by Mossad because when they do occasionally tell the truth, everyone just dismisses it, saying, "oh, it's that lunatic Duff again"

TheReplacement's picture

Is there any correlation with that spot on a civilian satellite image (google say) as well as a map of each sides positions on that day?

ebworthen's picture

Whatever side shot it down Malaysian Airlines should not have been flying over a war zone.

No commercial flights should have been flown over a known war zone.

The greedy airlines trying to save fuel are the most to blame.

Passenger safety came second.