Multiple Reports: Ukrainian Fighter Jets Were with Malaysian Flight 17 When It Was Shot Down

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Senior U.S. officials now admit that the Malaysian airlines passenger plane was likely accidentally shot down.

The Russian government claims Ukrainian fighter jets were flying very close to Malaysian Flight 17 when it was shot down.

Eyewitness interviews by BBC Russia lend weight to these allegations:

Eyewitness #1: … And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everybody saw it.

 

Eyewitness #2: Yes, yes. It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one.

 

Eyewitness #3: There were sounds of an explosion. But they were in the sky. They came from the sky. Then this plane made a sharp turn-around like this. It changed its trajectory and headed in that direction [indicating the direction with her hands].

 

A local pro-Russian commander says that Ukrainian fighter jets routinely hid behind civilian airplanes, and then dropped bombs on the Russian separatists (also via BBC):

They use these civilian aircraft to hide behind them. It is only now that they stopped flying over us – but, usually, civilian aircraft would always fly above us. And they hide [behind them]. [The experience in] Slavyansk had demonstrated that they would fly out from behind a civilian aircraft, bomb away, and then hide, once again, behind the civilian aircraft and fly away.

He made the statement after Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 was shot down.

However, a Youtube video made a month before Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot down also alleges that Ukranian fighter jets were hiding behind passenger planes, pulling away temporarily, dropping bombs on Ukrainian separatists, and then hiding again behind the plane (minor corrections of spelling and punctuation):

Terrible things are happening. For example, an incident that happened recently: passenger plane was flying by, and Ukrainian attack aircraft hid behind it. Then he lowered his altitude a bit and dropped bombs on residential sector of Semenovka town. Then he regained the altitude and hid behind the passenger plane again. Then he left.

They wanted to provoke the militia to shoot at the passenger plane. There would be a global catastrophe. Civilians would have died.

Then they would say that terrorists here did it. There are no terrorists here. There are regular people here that came out in defense of their own city.

Further investigation is needed ...

Bonus:

Admitted Liar Claims Russia Is Shooting Artillery Into Ukraine

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StormShadow's picture

Ebworthen: You're an idiot. MA was, and is, a top rated, well run airline. There is no way they were trying to save fuel at the risk of flying through a war zone. The restriction was for 32K ft and below, they were at 35K and we're ordered to descent to 33K. Also they were vectored over the crash area. They were set up. It had nothing to do with a greedy airline trying to save cost.

Freddie's picture

Dude - with all due respect, the 10 flights before Flight 17 were on a more southward course.

The Kiev air traffic controller had Flight 17 fly further north over the war zone.  The Ukriane intelligence service (scum backing the oligarchs and Maidan scum) seized the data from air traffic control.

Maylasian Airlines needs to start telling the public the truth but Obama and The Clintons have close ties.  My guess is this was Flight 770 and the corpses flown on remote control.

ebworthen's picture

Sure, but why fly over Ukraine at all?

If it were me, and I were in charge of an airline and I had the passenger's safety at heart - no overflights of a war zone.

JRobby's picture

Because false flag operations are intricate and take a lot of planning.

One of We's picture

Man, it's really hit or miss with those Ukie babes...

Freddie's picture

They are much hotter than babes from New Jersey.  Go to Atlantic City casinos or anywhere else in Jersey.

shovelhead's picture

You like those Joisey Gurls with or without mustaches?

Actually they all have mustaches except the hot ones use bleach.

It's the hairy backs that put me off.

Freddie's picture

These woman are real too.  Day to day life is a struggle for them.  They are not worrying about granite or quartz counter tops in the kitchen or whether they need a new SUV or Audi. 

JRobby's picture

$120 air brushed nail job

$600 detail for the beemer

a swimsuit that they won't look fat in

etc. etc.

StormShadow's picture

True, until you marry them and bring them over here then when the timer has elapsed they care a LOT about all those physical things.

ebear's picture

Those are the ones that bail.  The ones that stay and try to make something of it are far more interesting.

Spastica Rex's picture

That second video shows a female Russian-backed terrorist, right? If so, it must be rejected out of hand as ridiculous propaganda.

I learned this by paying careful attention to CNN.

ebear's picture

"...it must be rejected out of hand as ridiculous propaganda."

Not if she's hot!

jonjon831983's picture

Chix wit gunz

Propaganda woar has been won.

SF beatnik's picture

Next up, chix wit dix wit gunz

kchrisc's picture

I haven't followed this whole MH-17 thing too closely.

With that said, where are the photos of the missile's "streak," vapor trail, from a ground launched missile?

There should be many from many miles around.

 

dizzyfingers's picture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iPNfpWScXGM  where are the photos of the missile's "streak," vapor trail, from a ground launched missile?

Reaper's picture

The missile's trail would have headed right to the observed plane, but was not seen. Was it a ground fired missile?

Freddie's picture

Looks like a Russian satellite may have the smoking gun.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/27/notes-on-mh17/

Missile launch at 13 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPNfpWScXGM

Brave Ukrainian mums burning draft card notices and telling the Maidan/Yats/Ulla/Zio/NWO/Nudelman scum in Kiev to go f**k themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_R9-LCwd54#t=151

 

Paveway IV's picture

I feel bad for all the Ukrainians that thought this was a chance for freedom. Both the Maidan and the seperatists. Both sides are just being used by insane oligarchs to advance their own adgendas. It looks like the Kiev oligarchs haven't even finished their battles for power there, either.

Nobody in that country is on the side of the Ukrainian people. WTF?? 

You need to start an economic cleansing campaign, Ukraine. There's some oligarchs there that need their necks stretched and bank accounts seized.

And kick out our CIA and NSA bastards - they're nothing but trouble.

COSMOS's picture

Regardless, if the Ukrainian govt was using civilian aircraft to hide behind, they they are responsible for the deaths even if the rebels shot it down.  That is why we will never hear the ATC tapes directing the plane to fly over that area.  This is premeditated murder on the part of the Uke govt, not surprised given that they are shelling their own civilians.  But it doesnt stop there, they are being advised by NATO personel who know what was going on.  NATO is guilty of killing its own civilians.  War crimes charges should be brought against the USA and NATO officers besides the Uke leadership.

Nexus789's picture

The conversation with the control tower should be on the recordings of the black box as they will have captured the cockpit conversations. If that is so Kiev will look even more criminal as they siezed the air control tapes.

Dewey Cheatum Howe's picture

If the airliner was fired on from the front like the reports are saying there is going to be no conversations on the tapes. Those pilots most likely never knew what hit them since it was probably instantenous.

Which brings us back to something I've been saying it is the radar logs that the Ukrainian government wants hidden not the air traffic controller conversations. Those will show the jets shadowing the airliner and most likely if one of those jets strafed the plane and shot it from the right side you'll see the directional changes coresponding with the timestamps on the black recorder with the 'sudden decompression' event even if there was no missile launch and it was done with a cannon.

I'm no expert on this but if a SAM was fired at that plane you'd expect the jet fighter(s) would have detected it being launched and as such should see them trying to move away from the airliner as it was streaking up plus the radar logs would have probably picked up the SAM also if that is the case.

williambanzai7's picture

Winter approaches...

Titus's picture

CogD, you're name's got me thinking about COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.

Anyone else pick up on the irony that the KIEV JUNTA is essentially USING civilian aircraft as HUMAN SHIELDS?

Anyone else notice that ISRAEALI MILITARY is DESTROYING HUMAN SHIELDS to get at hamas?

Other than one set of human shields being in an aircraft, and another set being on the ground, often in schools and hospitals, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?

A human shield's value is directly proportionate to the agenda of the US war machine and it's allies, especially the zionist agenda.

 

kurt's picture

I noticed the similarity. Sure if that shield shit works in Gaza, why not use it in Ukraine? A note to murderers: they easier it gets for you to kill, the easier it gets to kill you.

Reaper's picture

Obama may have been informed of winter and its consequences for the Ukraine, that is why they're pushing now. The fate of the world is in the hands of brainless narcissus.

jeff montanye's picture

a brainless narcissus who is golfing.

Rootin' for Putin's picture

Hopefully that $17Bn Ukraine got from the iMF came all in $1's.
They are going to need something to burn this winter to keep warm.

COSMOS's picture

That money is gone to swiss bank and Israeli accounts.  That is why Yatsi packed his bags.  The IMF money is looong gone.  They are hoping for the NATO exercise games with the neonazis in Uke to become a permanent presence of NATO on ukrainian soil.  I think some more false flags will be put into effect to justify the presence of NATO into eternity on the soil of Ukraine.  Look to see a rehash of Kosovo, the same plans will come into play here.

Paveway IV's picture

That depends. 

If the U.S. is merely trying to cover up for a Ukrainian mistake to save face, then maybe not.

If the U.S. is covering up for Ukrainian Stasi thugs and the Kolomoisky 'Army' intentionally shooting down MH-17, then I could see something nuclear.

Kolomoisky is some kind of Ukrainian Jewish billionaire oligarch - second richest guy in Ukraine - and is pretty chummy with AIPAC and political cronies here in the U.S. He's nominally on the Ukrainian 'side' (sees Ukraine as a second Jewish homeland) but would really prefer if his select cronies were in charge. He's probably the only one in Ukraine with operational BUK launchers and trained crews. They would be from Israeli-infested Georgia who bought Ukrainian BUKs a few years ago. I hate to go full-retard tin-foil hat on Israel, but the U.S. media are absolutely soiling their pants over steering the MH-17 narrative.

Reuters came out with an exclusive interview last Wednesday with a Ukrainian rebel admitting they had BUK launchers. Except the guy they interviewed, Alexander Khodakovsky, denies ever saying any such thing in the interview. It's certainly not in the transcripts and it looks like Reuters was caught flat out lying about the interview. Reuters refuses to acknowledge Khodakovsky's claims and hasn't issued a retraction - the article is still available as shown. 

Still waiting for the U.S. imagery that shows 'rebels' firing the missile. I'm afraid the Microsoft Paint diagram on a four-year-old Google satellite image isn't compelling proof of anything - at least for those of us with opposable thumbs.

[Edit - Kolomoisky's private militia is probably the only non-government party with BUK and crews; Ukraine's Army and Interior Ministry obviously have BUKs]

tumblemore's picture

The Israelis have made some deep strikes into Syria over the last couple of years which seem to have foxed the Syrians. Perhaps Kolo got some tips as the Syrians use Russian equipment also?

 

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/syrian-air-defen...

 

"As part of that mission, Israeli fighter jets are said to have evaded air-defense sites near the Syria-Turkey border and along the coast with sophisticated electronic deception capabilities, opening a route from the Mediterranean Sea to the nuclear facility far inland.

Israel has also reportedly conducted around a half-dozen airstrikes on military targets during the current conflict, including within the vicinity of the heavily defended capital. These limited strikes surprised the Syrians and were effectively unimpeded."

whotookmyalias's picture

Quiz - which one of these is not like the other:

 

  1. Politician
  2. Banker\Financial Fraudster
  3. Media
  4. Puppet Master
  5. Talking Head
  6. Admitted Liar