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The Shocking Reason Putin Isn't Worried About The $50 Billion Yukos Ruling
Having $50 billion of assets under potential seizure is enough to make anyone whince. However, despite a quickly worded statement on the Yukos award, Vladimir Putin seems less than anxious to find a resolution. We think we know why, and it's very concerning.
As The FT reports confirming our earlier comments:
The award is a landmark not just for its size – 20 times the previous record for an arbitration ruling. The tribunal also found definitively that Russia’s pursuit of Yukos and its independently-minded main shareholder, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a decade ago was politically motivated.
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Though Russia cannot appeal against the award, Moscow said it would pursue all legal avenues for trying to get it “set aside”.
Even if the ruling stands, shareholders face a tortuous battle trying to enforce it. If Moscow refuses to pay, they must pursue Russian sovereign commercial assets in the 150 countries that are party to the so-called 1958 New York Convention on enforcing arbitration awards.
But perhaps this explains why Putin is not coming out swinging, as The FT concludes,
One person close to Mr Putin said the Yukos ruling was insignificant in light of the bigger geopolitical stand-off over Ukraine.
“There is a war coming in Europe,” he said. “Do you really think this matters?”
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http://rt.com/op-edge/china-crisis-crimea-russia-889/
http://thediplomat.com/2014/05/chinas-new-silk-road-vision-revealed/
You might note that those articles speak of plans, proposals, and projects in development.
China will be dependent on sealanes to the middle east for quite some time.
Just posting the links to back up your point that other plans are in the works.
Gotcha
i think China would...
Remember that they will be allied against the "petrodollar at gunpoint". I think they may even pick up a few more allies.
Obama and his coterie are philosophically opposed to acts war, unless it conforms to their self-loving worldview (ie. it is done 'surgically' and 'smartly' and is 'targeted', unlike the cowboy Bush).
If he can order a few drone strikes to frighten the goat herders, well that's one thing, but sending tank divisions across Eastern Europe to protect non-Communists and create his own Iraq (times eleventy)? It's never going to happen.
The wisdom of trying to fight Russia on her home turf has been tested many times, and German military cemeteries are full of the result. Obama is interested in his legacy, not the plight of some Ukranian turnip farmers, who don't even like Marx.
Obama could clearly care less about his 'legacy'. By any measure, an evaluation by a rational, objective observer (taking into account both foreign and domestic policy results, the economy and the general state of the world) could only conclude his Presidency to be an abject failure. If you analyze it from the prospective of the foundation oligarchs that put him in office and control the US govt from the shadows, the Obama Presidency is the crowning achievement of globalism, take down the United States of America and the liberty and prosperity it used to represent. I guess what I'm trying to say is that:
A.)Obama doesn't make decisions, he just announces that they've been made to the public.
B.)The Ukrainian oil deposits, pipelines, the Black Sea port of Sevastopol and further encircling Russia with NATO ABM Systems are of great interest to the banks, energy companies and the MIC that dictate foreign policy.
C.)Obama is the human manifestation of the total hatred that the global elite have for the US and humanity in general. His prime directive is to be the face of this insanity, to openly flaunt the unimaginable corruption taking place. Shutting down power plants, collapsing the infrastructure, collapsing the border,destroying the healthcare system, shipping jobs overseas, record numbers of people on one form of govt assistance or another, tax payer funded bailouts, spying on every aspect of our lives.. Every aspect of the Obama agenda is intentional. It is not incompetance. It is not mismanagement. It is an agenda that pre-dates Obama. He is simply the closing figurehead of the desiged collapse of the United States.
Indeed, Obama could not care less about his "legacy." I think it's important to steer clear of the distractions put up in the US and analyze US strategies in the long term, outside the "red/blue," zero-sum, horserace paradigm so beloved by our wholly-owned media.
Obama's policies pursue the same ends as Bush II's policies, Clinton's policies, Bush I's policies, and after accounting for different contemporary circumstances, Reagan' policies. So it is logical to disregard the name and party affiliation of the Current Resident, and look at who has continuous tenure. Henry Kissinger, Brent Scowcroft, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Paul Wolfowitz come to mind. Bob Gates. Victoria Nuland is a Dick Cheney protege in her own right, never mind her husband Bob Kagan. That's the group of people whose policies are actually in effect, and have been for about 50 years.
Go ahead and dislike Obama all you want. I sort of like the guy, but I sort of liked W too. Clinton is as slimy in person as you'd think; I've met him a couple of times. But they are figureheads as you point out, and hardly worth our attention much less venom. They're rodeo clowns; present only to divert attention and to wear out our energy.
Can you get us a complete list?
Maybe on a deck of cards?
Au doublé post
@ Utah_Get_Me_2
Spot On!! (Applause)
What Obama wants is beside the point. It's what the powers behind the throne want - they who were there before the social worker ever dreamed of office and will still be there long after he has retired to a golfing estate.
"The Russians have no allies"?
I believe China will stand with Putin, if it comes to war. This is the primary reason for 10K foot runways built in Afganistan, JIC of the joint venture. Thank Haliburton, protected, on-site, courtsey of the USMC.
Oh yeah they will.
I can see China saying to Putin, "Vlady, you take back Eastern Europe and we'll take back Southeast Asia" from India's eastern border all the way up and around to South Korea, including Taiwan and a little bit of the Philipines.
They will take those rinky dink islands they've been hassling with Japan, and probably a few islands with actual Japanese on them...like Okinawa.
They'll rename the China Sea to "Eat My Asshole America Bay"
Every world war started with a Democrat in the White House because Democrats have no clue about the world...they just think they do. Maybe they speak a foreign language and went to Europe for a semester in college.
Republicans don't start wars because those crazy fuckers know how to talk to the international community by saying things like "Speak softly and carry a big stick", "Do it this way or so help me God, I WILL FUCK YOU UP!!" and my favorite, "Does Ronald Reagan have to smack a ho? I think Ronald Reagan has to. Smack. A. Ho." in the proper local dialect of whatever click-clack, ding-dong language any of those dirty fucked up, stinky sons of bitches.
A M E R I C A, F U C K Y E A H ! ! !
Another remarkably uninformed comment from Raymond K Hessel.
World War I was started during the Wilson Administration
World War II was started during the FDR Administration
Both Wilson and FDR were Democrats...soooo, there you go. The word "war" is actually Greek. It come from the Greek word "barbarophones" which means "phony who start war" or Democrat.
Raymond, go back to veterinary school.
His breakfast will taste better than any breakfast you and I have ever tasted.
He is asleep. locked into that False Paradigm...
Thanks for the reminder. Need to see that again...
Assuming a conventional war (no nuclear weapons), Russia is in no position whatsoever to challenge NATO in Europe. The Europeans alone could defeat Russia, assuming they cooperated. With the US involved, it's not even sporting. Likewise with China. It's doubtful the PLA could even defeat Taiwan at this point. They would lose a war against Japan. S. Korea alone is vulnerable for the reason that it could be attacked by land, though the ROK military is vastly superior to the DPROK military. Again, throw in the US and it's a turkey shoot.
To be clear, this is not a "Murika Fuk Yea!" post, this is about explaining why Russo/Sinophobia is pathetic.
"The Europeans alone could defeat Russia" whoa hold on there.
What the fuck you been smoking !!
This isn't the mid 80's
Germany has about 250 Tanks !! That's it...no more
They couldn't even defend a border of 20 Km's...okay a guess but you get what I mean.
How many MBT's does Britain have, 100- 200 tops.
Get a grip
Pretty sure the primary reason for those 10k runways are for the CIA C-130s full of Afghan opium coming soon to a an urban street corner near you.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-war-american-troops-are-protecting-afghan-opium-u-s-occupation-leads-to-all-time-high-heroin-production/5358053
- Jack Burton. I think this analysis is accurate. The "deep state" seems to be determined to go ahead with this now. My guess is that the urgency is because they sense that the ground is about to open and swallow them if they don't do it now. The global chess they have been playing to encircle and remove Russia as the last major obstacle to world domination has not worked out they way they planned and time is running out. Let's look at few of the things that didn't go as planned:
- Putin is as strong as ever - the color revolution attempted there before the last election failed.
- Iran is still on the map. The color revolution there failed.
- Assad is still there. Even the chemical attack false flag and the Libyan arms shipments failed.
- The Arab spring has partly failed, notably with Egypt leaving the US fold and cozying up with Russia.
- Iraq has been lost, with the new Shia majority government siding with Iran and Russia.
- The Ukrainian regime change partly failed, with Chrimea lost and the oil producing eastern areas resisting.
- Edward Snowden's data has partly turned Europe (mainly Germany) against the US.
- The US economy is about to collapse from within from lack of real wealth creation. The money printing is about to become ineffective to fake economic growth.
- The source of US power, the dollar, is under threat with half of the world joining Russia to remove it as a reserve currency.
I could go on and on but the point is that the US is isolated and desperate. There is most likely total panic among the elite and it explaines why they are trying to execute all their plans right now. The southern border is open to destroy the last of the US middle class and ensure collectivist majority in future "elections". The ISIS arm of the CIA is committing out-in-the-open genocide in Iraq to take back the country. Everybody who leaves the fold - nations, individual banks and individuals are threatened, fined and killed. And finally, the Lusitania like MH 17 event is being used to create the right atmosphere for war.
Well said!
Arabian oil is still pumped out of the ground denominated in dollars. This is the real printing press of the dollar. How would that change?
If the reserve is depleted, printing press gone and someone new run barter town
+1. I agree on all points, but I think your next-to-last one is the real key: "- The US economy is about to collapse from within from lack of real wealth creation. The money printing is about to become ineffective to fake economic growth."
Our system based on lending at interest, with debt as money, requires infinite markets, resources, energy, and money. In our finite world, only money can be made infinite, and that only by making it abstract. We've hit the limits of markets, resources and energy; at least, there's not going to be exponential and unlimited growth. So the interest can't be paid back, and nobody will take on debt at interest today if they don't think they'll be making more money tomorrow or next year. When that decision is taken by a critical mass of people, the system will collapse. To stave off collapse, we've adopted a whole raft of scams based on financialized abstraction. That will work, as it has worked, until is doesn't. Once it stops working, it's likely to stop calamitously, since it's all based on faith and when faith lapses, there's nothing left.
That's the cause of the urgency we're seeing. The rest is all details and symptoms of that realization on the part of the oligarchic elites.
Just my humble opinion.
Very good write up! Thank you for that.
By the way, where is my coke and my hookers?
Perfecthedge,
swmnguy write gets to the point more effective.
So, sorry, NO hookers for you....at the present time.
"By the way, where is my coke and my hookers?"
The banking mafia had your share.
Several things have forced the NWO hands. They think they are in charge, but they have their black swans, too.
It appears to be now or never. The problem is what will they do if they think they aren't going to win. Immolate the planet? You bet. These people have no souls, nothing that would suggest any connection with 'normal' humanity. The ultimate psychopathology, inbred over centuries.
'Americans' do not look for war in this situation. Putin might think that considering how successful 'americans' have been, war is his only option.
The 'american' middle class is used to receiving hand outs from their government, it is how 'american' societies work. Clearly, part of the 'american' middle class is disatisfied because they did not receive their fair share of the loot, but it does not mean that 'americans' were not successful.
With stuff like real wealth creation, it cant go very far.
Jack, as always, I enjoy reading your posts.
I think Putin, though surrounded by brilliant tactical people, thinkers, and he being brilliant himself, is a bit more of a mano Y mano kind of guy. He knows, as does the rest of the world, that 10-12 people on this planet are at the control of a western financial/war machine that is fighting for it's life.
This isn't just about greed anymore, nor is it about this oil company or that missle-maker, it is now about LIFE or DEATH of the western world. One must consider what an enormously wealthy individual, a Dimon-type guy, contemplates when faced with losing everything. At some point in that thought process one stops thinking of dollars and starts thinking of bunkers or Islands. In many ways, they are facing the same thing that the average citizen of any developed country is facing in these very precarious times. Read that? They contemplate being desenseless and powerless. Their wealth is largely stored in dollars. For some, it is stored in gold.
I wonder if these maniacs would change their tune if 5 or 6 of them were to expire in a day or two (regardless of their lair du jour, be that in Tel Aviv, New England USA, Brussels or London).
I can't even imagine what must be going through Putin's head.
There's a rather shrill poster at the Saker's Vinyard, who for months now has been urging Putin/Russia to nuke London.
I'm beginning to think he's right.
A very dangerous gambit indeed, Jack. The reason that it is so hard to ID the Deep State culprits, is that even they need cover from the wrath of the US populace, for their sociopathic and treasonous agenda and deeds. But, given the level of Global Zionist involvement in Ukraine and the US, is seems pretty obvious who The Suspects are as a political entity, even if the individual names are hidden from us all.
If the Kremlin thinks that Nuttynyahoo and his Globalist ilk are behind it, and war does come to Europe, that piece of turf in the ME will glow for the next 10,000 years. They are hostages, given the small piece of land they live on. The US won't end the US or the world for them.
Peace is the ONLY solution, God-damned fanatics and Luciferians!
p.s. Pick up the pace of the de-Dollarization, to uncover the real motive for all this BS. Convince Kirschner and the Argies to default, to smoke them out ASAP.
Capt,
I totally agree with the hostage mem. There is no where on Earth that they would be safe. Even without nukes, Putin's resources are as vast and limitless as that of the collective west. The smart ones know this and I must believe that they are working diligently to stifle the lust of the Neocons.
There is no where to hide. Not for them (the Neo/Zio/Oligarchy). Not for us (the useless People). We, the subjects, have nothing left to lose, however. I have to believe that there are millions of the unwashed masses that would gladly make the ultimate sacrifice to make a better life for their kids and loved ones. They will likely get the chance.
Be they ne'er so vile...
Even without nukes, Putin's resources are as vast and limitless as that of the collective west. The smart ones know this and I must believe that they are working diligently to stifle the lust of the Neocons.
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They must be very 'american' smart.
Or it is lucky day for 'americans' and the prospect of such loot will only strengthen their resolve.
Not even a land lord besieged in his castle would have stated that his resources were as vast and limitless as that of the collective besiegers. In days when defensive means were superior to offensive means.
I'm referring to tactical and human assets, the tools that these big gov types use to extinguish each other on a personal level. Militarily, Russia is the equal of the west where it matters most. In some ways, vastly superior.
Here is a serious question for your consideration, Captain.
Who out there is building an Odessa File on the nazis that are responsible for all of the chaos in the world today?
It's laughable. If you remember the film from yester-year, Hollywood created a story of Nazi-hunters in early 60's Germany. Just one of a dozen "evil Nazi" flicks created to throw the scent of their trail. Odessa was the codename for the secret organization of evil former nazi officers. So who is keeping track of the nazis of today? Some are known, some are unknown, granted, but someone, somewhere, must be keeping tabs. I wonder if today's nazis know each other and self-identify as being part of a group. If so, what are they calling themselves now? They probably have some freakish Bond acronym like S.M.E.R.S.H. or S.P.E.C.T.R.E. or maybe it bears the ominous letters of some NGO think tank staffed by dual-citizens.
Funny how fiction becomes reality and the finger-pointers themselves are revealed to be none other than the nazis. It's really fucking bizarre. It's CD to an extreme.
Consider:
Covert stuff means CIA.
Spying stuff means CIA and DIA/NSA.
Supply/aid funds means Treasury.
Talky talk means State. And there are plenty more.
Who do all those different groups report to? What is the common link here?
I suppose you can say Obama is not in charge, that he is a walking teleprompter. Fine, it still goes though his office. There aren't many other places you could look and find the actual connections. Saying they can't figure out who wants war is sort of a strawman excuse. Saying they can't figure it out implies they are looking and failing when in fact they are not looking at all because it is quite obvious where to look.
CIA CIA DIA NSA Supply/aid-Treasury State
hmmm.
DISNEY! I knew it.
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Chevron after buying Texaco inherited a$18 billion oil damage (oil spills in the jungle, water sytem by texaco in the 70's , 80's) award from the Ecuadorian government but Chevron is not worried.
Hope it's not too big a let down to everyone getting all excited about this "threat". Next on the agenda, the clarification that the quote meant "economic" war and also that if it does happen he meant it would be the west's fault. Putin has to be laughing at how easy it is to wind people up.
I don't think it'll come to a shooting war but if it does it will be 100% the fault of the Neocons/MIC in Washington and their lapdogs in Britain.
Monty its already a shooting war, with NATO and USA assets on the ground and in the skies ie drones and satellites gathering intelligence. I am sure there is military aid rolling in across the polish border also. What we are all waiting for right now is a major escalation.
UK sending 1400 troops to Poland for this purpose. They are getting ready to something.
1,400 British troops to Poland? A few Bulgarian bouncers could take them out. And we're assuming the Polish people want war with Russia, to support Nazis in Ukraine. That could go wrong quick.
I wouldn't piss on Putin's lawn. No, sir, that's a fool's errand.
I disagree. I hung out with an SAS guy 20 years ago in Hereford, England. I saw him take on three bouncers in about 5 seconds and never spilled his pint which he kept in his right hand while handling the bouncers.
They are tough bunch, but there aren't that many of them. The Brits will send in their toughest first.
agreed. the us is staging. there's no backing away here. it's destabilize, sanction, and provoke.
Certainly the "neocons" are pushing in Ukraine and in Gaza and are likely to find or create and excuse to bring in Lebanon and more of Syria soon.
What's interesting is how Ukrainian troops looked three months ago compared to how the look now. There is a night and day difference between young boys in old Combloc gear compared to mature pros with modern NATO gear. That's just an observation of mine from recent viewing experiences.
You're either strangely glib or naive, not recognizing the stakes involved. Control over issuance of debt cuts to the core of what holds our psychopathic, debt-based society together. It is the primary driver behind world geopolitics. If there is anything that we should all know from "regime changes" (aka "hostile takeovers") in the last decade, it is that the bookies are fully prepared to wipe out tremendous numbers of people to enforce their rule.
This is all silliness.
$50B is 10% of the total drained from Russia enemies for oil and gas each year. They can raise price 10% and cover the bill.
They can also just reduce output. It amazes me how people think military force is relevant when the only weapon that matters now is the faucet.
Even money doesn't matter when you have enough calories for the citizens and enough gasoline to transport them to the mouths. Russia could just withdraw from the world economy and no one there would starve or even suffer, particularly.
You really, honestly, sincerely believe that Russia or anyone else would be permitted to "WITHDRAW" without eliciting a violent response? REALLY? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?
I always enjoy your posts, Crash. Clarity is in short supply.
Clarity?
1) Stop money flow from West Europe
2) Drain the economy at East Ukraine
Money? Money?
Try Mistral class helicopter carriers. Russia is getting what it wants from the West. It can't get rid of 1's and 0's fast enough.
Quus Ant,
You didn't understand my message.
By the way, I didn't understand the last sentence of your second paragraph.
Go figure, right?
Then perhaps we are ships passing in the night.
Happy trails.
We will tune the 'radio' frequency next time
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"Russia could just withdraw from the world economy and no one there would starve or even suffer, particularly."
Just noting that the black market would provide where needed.
From the point of view of the person with the faucet, you might be right. From the point of view of the person who wants that tap open all the time no matter what, maybe not so much. The side that does not have might use arms against the side that does have. That is a pretty consistent theme throughout human history.
One way to keep the Ponzi going would be to go to war with Russia then loan them trillions to buy US weapons, with money being launderd through BoA and Western Union (they have experience) and have Israel handle the logistics.
They could even skim some of the coolest weapons and incinerate some more Arab kids.
Banksters win - and that's what the US is all about.
If you believe that a major confrontation between US/EU and Russia can be contained to strictly the economic front, you are a fool.
The EU+USA is a much larger entity that the Russia, and on paper much more powerful militarily (sum up all the US appropriations for the MIC since 1992 and compare to Russia's - while much of the difference was wasted, the MIC of EU+USA is still much bigger - just big enough for the corrupt Western leaders to make a big miscalculation. If Russia has its back to the wall, this thing may go nuclear much sooner rather than later.
The Zionists are really playing with fire. The NWO will be composed of anyone who survives. On the EU+USA side, Tel-Aviv, the City of London, NYC and Washington will be seas of molten glass...
Yes - Russia HAS stated in the past that if its borders are crossed it would consider retaliation with ICBM ( not tactical ) nukes justified . The saker wrote a good article about this a month or so ago.
As to Poland getting involved in Ukrain with tacit NATO approval.....I think their neighbour Bellarussia would be enraged.
history remember without russia no europ. USA is shit.
usa cannot win any war on the ground. they never did btw....
usa is runaway drone bomber... economicly they cannot do anything.why request 10billion bnp, why 50 to la hague from russia... so long...
russia will humiliate USA just with economical diplomatics.
And crazy good hackers. The US systems are porous beyond help.
If Russia has its back to the wall, this thing may go nuclear much sooner rather than later.
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Things may go nuclear? Are the Russians able to nuclear map the world (minus Russia) before 'americans' nuclear map Russia? Nuclear option was on the table in the times of USSR because of the vast territority under soviet imperium.
Ever watched a map of population density in Russia? 'Americans' do not even have to nuke the whole thing.
If there is a nuclear war, many of the towns in Russia may not notice for weeks. They are that self sufficient. The US? Not so much.
The FEMA camps in the US are all in preparation to this. The likelyhood of this going nuclear is VERY high, and Russia will emerge from this in better shape than the US...
obamay vrs. the bear....56 seconds..enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GnPt3RIIsA
Brrr..
what is remarkeable to me, is that just because the imf might fuck over yushenko's inner cabal and not fork over more bribe money,
that--people think the u.s. won't just shove massive amounts of weapons into ukraine and call it 'not a war'.
thus, people soak up the unrealistic proposition that the rebels will win back all of ukraine. the more they fight, the more the u.s. will send weapons.
NO ONE will take ukraine, it will be a bloodbath and a suicidal civil war. there's no winning when the endgame is the destruction of the countries people and resources. putin only winning game here is preventing western companies from succesfully drilling.
you can bet those new natural gas fracking wells will be attacked. strategic assets will all be destroyed.
before you can build, you must control. before you can control , you must destroy.
That's a lot of junks for a guy who's right - the rebels in the eastern republics are not, in a million years going to take over all of Ukraine. In the west, there is some possibility of a separate rebellion against Kyiv and/or civil war, but the ethnic Russian rebels will never grab anything beyond their republics, and they won't hold those without more Russian aid.
What the heck, guys?
Look at history when winter sets in the Russians will prevail.
Kornikovsky was the asset stripper in chief in the 90's. Writing up asset stripping deals with western co's ect.
Putin has every right to tear up deals with BP and Esso at this point.
Esso is still used in Canada, elsewhere not so much
He was known as probably the most brutal of the oligarchs (and looks it). Rough guy who survived a very tough time in Russia and stole the choicest asset. Putin and the government had every right to jail him and take back the stolen assets. Too bad they couldn't do it with the other thieves er oligarchs.
Too bad he didnt have a heart attack in his jail cell.
I think it also says a lot about Putin's power to destroy anyone who opposes him. Khodorkovsky, the founder of Yukos, was probably the richest man in Russia at the time, yet he ended up losing all his assets and getting tossed into prison for ten years (spoiler alert: no golf course). All this on a charge of "tax evasion," which is just another way of saying Failure to Pay Up.
I'd take that kind of justice over NO JUSTICE where none of the banksters go to jail; where the CFTC is a criminal enterprise; where Congress can trade on insider information; where no one who "failed" to prevent 9/11 lost their job; and where Enron's CEO was able to fake his own death and relocate to Paraguay.
US Government = ZOG Organized Crime Syndicate .... just one of many on the planet now, but certainly the biggest.
I was listening to a KCRW fund drive last week and heard several long excerpts from Al Nakba part of a 3 DVD documentary series on the Zionist project in Palestine.
The Rothschild's involvement in the creation of Israel dates at least as far back as the 1850s, but was especially critical in 1948. It was the Zionists in several countries including the US and England who turned away Jews fleeing Nazi Germany, in an effort to justify the creation of a separate, Jewish state. Israel is the only theocracy on the planet, where you have to be Jewish in order to be a citizen. The Israeli Supreme Court building is dedicated to "Lord" Rothschild.
Prior to 1948's Zionist ethnic cleansing, the Palestinians had lived in the area peacefully for 800+ years. We need war reparations; dissolve the Israeli charter as it now exists; and give operational control over Jerusalem to some international body, due to its importance to so many religious groups.
Yep...he was the head of the tribe oligarchs that sourced funds from outside (hmmm...who could have helped with that) and purchased all of the Russian productive assets, lock stock and barrel during the break-up of the tribe created communist system. Thievery on the way in and out... Amazingly similar playbook to what they did in Germany post WWI to bring so much ire on themselves. Then they feign supprise and victimhood when a strong leader stands up and tells them to get the fuck out.
Also amazing that we are such patsys that we watch this playbook again and again and do nothing to stop it....guess that is why we are the 'goyim'....
Enjoy the tribe rewards....while you can.... I have a feeling that payback is going to be a bitch this time......
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I'm sorry. I think it's just the sunglasses.
picture is half michael jackson 's face after a serious javel skin washing
Fall, you give it that long?
They don't want Ukraine. The Russians want their interests protected and the RUSSIANS in the Ukraine protected. They don't need or want a huge land grab.
Fact is this US meddling is only designed for war. Winning Ukraine means inheriting billions in dect and bail outs going to russia. How the fuck is that a prize? The other up shot is giving the oil and gas to BP, the farm land to who knows who and the industrial infrastructure to the germans who up to now say, fuck you we'd rather have gas than factories in the ukraine.
Not to mention that other valuable asset which is inherited as Ukraine is absorbed into the Borg...err..EU.
Chernobyl.
Think about it. If you are Russia, do you want to CONQUER Turkey and Germany (and everything in between) or do you want those two as your ALLIES?
But they do need and want that warm water port and they won't go home without it.
So what, they have Sevastopol, Kalinigrad, St Petersburg, Vladivostok...
More important to stay on good terms with Istanbul/Turkey.
Whomever the 'Turks' ally with will probably win.
Right now it's not looking good for the U.S.
(You really don't want to fuck with the Turks.)
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/a9c0db18-4554-11e3-b98b-00144feabdc0.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10332007/China-to-r...
Lol, they'll run out of booze beforehand...I don't know if you've actually seen interviews with these people or seen scenes from the ground.. Sorry to say, but the majority of them are fucking bozos, cooks and drunks. Its almost as if they're trying to live up to every bad stereotype of Russians being drunk, aggressive and dumb as hell...something I know my self personally isn't the case with Russians or Ukrainians. Not one of them made me think: hey there's a reasonable guy with a rightful grievance and a reason to join Russia which isn't some loosely cobbled together conspiracy babble about jews, gays and Nazis working together to crush the wonderful Russian spirit.
They couldn't even conquer their own backyard. I'd love to be able to symphatise with them because I really dislike the Ukrainian government and am not one of the last two people on this planet that still support US foreign meddling either. I know all the angles, but I still can't make anything out of them but 'drunk lack of cunts'. Even this Strelkov....are you joking. Look up the picture of him in the Roman armor...haha. If that's the avant garde of Russian foreign policy nowadays...wow, have they sunk a lot!. Putin is fucked if thats the best dude for the job.
And I hate agree with Obama on this one..but Russia is becoming a bit of a problem.
50 billion is a lotta clams.
Just like that 100 MILLION dollar bank fine! (that was sarcasm)
pods
What is "50 billion in assets" in a mark to fantasy world anyway?
By the time it is over 50 billion will cover the Schrader valve on the wheelbarrow tire that is used to carry around USDs.
pods
That fifty billion will buy you a stale loaf of bread in the Hague Ghetto when the dollar hyperinflation sets in. If the Russians want to be funny they can then mail a twentyfive billion dollar bill since the post stamp will cost another twenty five billion dollars lol.
christ 50b has to be at least half of cynk....
Gideon Gono, white courtesy telephone, please.
Serious sportsmen only use Presta valves, I have a feeling that wheelbarrow races are going to replace NASCAR.
Bikers are the gayest group ever to grace the earth. Please don't confuse them with sportsmen.
pods
When they are in shape, they look good in their little tight black panties! My husband has an awesome ass, killer quads, huge calves. I love drafting him, it is glorious. He's a monster on a bike, it's great. Male as fuck.
He played foot ball in highschool, he was the guy that made the final score that got them into the state championship game. They subsequently won the state title (he didn't get to play much in that one because he got injured making the play that got them into the game). Last year the highschool inducted him into their hall of fame.
He started riding bikes when he was serving in the army in Germany. He is expert at rifle and hand grenade. He would ride in the snow at 3:00 in the morning to do his shift at work.
There is a lot to being a good cyclist.
If you commute to work on your bike, it keeps you fit and saves on so many resources, both values we espouse around here. Cyclists are smart. For those of you in the know, my husband rides fixed.
Your husband rides fixed?
You should have gotten him a different seat like years ago. That would have solved the problem.
j/k
Had some stuff snipped a while ago, it was a vas deferens for us...
;-)
That reads like going to Target Practice and shooting blanks.
Well...Now if he misses there is no problem.
Not sure why someone would ding you for that MsCreant. Bikers can be the fittest people on the planet.
But, whenever I see them I think chest waxing, protein shake, egg white eating metrosexuals who debate the benefits of a $5k carbon framed bike.
Of couse, I am just an ass.
Biking has always been about going somewhere to me. Not a sport. I guess it is sporting riding the roads by me with the cars, but we always saw biking as a means of travel.
But to me it is like swimming. Swimming is a way to keep from drowning.
pods
All good, and you are right, some guys in the bike club are hissy little Bs, just as you describe. My husband rides steel, I am the one with the carbon fiber fork on my Serotta. ;-)
And sucking granulated, sharp-edged aluminum chemtrail dust. It's all over my auto vents. Nasty shit to be breathing.
Bikers should ride with masks. OTOH, it's probably a little late. I think I'll start smoking . . .
I think that swimming, bicycling, playing Baseball, Football, Soccer, Basketball, Hockey, Track, Cross Country Running, marathons, or anything that demand physical fitness can be considered a sport. Of course some of these activities developed because they were a necessity.
Just my thoughts...I am not actively involved in any of them.
But if it harms no one else then why is it your concern, why pitch a bitch about it? I mean, come on...live and let live.
That is what Liberty is about, pods. I know that you were just "...being an ass...", playing a bit, and that is cool, but we need to promote our ideals.
Road bikers, yea, probably. But most mountain bikers I know could effortlessly kick your ass while their hot girlfriend cheers them on. Don't confuse them.
Had to Google Schrader valve - what the heck.
lol now i just had to google it....
You could not infer from the context that it is the Valve Stem on the Tire?
Come on...How many valves are on a tire? One?
War in Europe is a terrible idea.
The US should Just Stay Home.
EDIT:
Ukraine is none of our business. As many otehrs here at ZH have long said, we should never have gotten involved in Ukraine. Russia will take it at its leisure.
Russia will not take Ukraine and has no interest in "taking" Ukraine. It would be an occupation of violence with no end and risk unrest at home. For no reward.
Then let me re-phrase. Ukraine is squarely within Russia's sphere of influence, they have deep & ancient ties. It is not up to the USA to interfere.
You may very well be right. A violent take-over of Ukraine by Russia would probably mean lots of unpleasant violence for years.
Yes. Though might an extended period of mis-rule by the west's goons see Russia welcomed in time, at least in parts?
Sounds very plausible to me. But, it is not our business. The West made a mistake by intervening. Ukraine goes to Russia.
the west is pressing this issue because war is the goal. as i had posted before, just look at japan pre ww2. we sanctioned japan, placed emargoes on them, pulled out of treaties with them, brought in european allies to punish japan in a similar fashion.....japan annexed manchuria pre ww2 and the u.s. refused to acknowledge it......hmmmmmm.......u.s meddled with japan's sphere of influence...basically goaded them into attacking the u.s.....japan tried to keep lines of communication open but the u.s. pressed for unilateral conditions against them......
.......come on people, does this not sound familiar to whats going on now with russia!!!!!!!
history is doing alot of rhyming right about now......
Is it a coincidence that Japan recently passed a cabinet resolution allowing the government to send troops overseas to aid an ally? The planners have been getting their ducks in a row.
Tuesday 01 July 2014
Japan’s coalition government has approved a controversial reinterpretation of the nation’s pacifist constitution that will let its troops fight overseas for the first time since the Second World War.
The decision means that Japan will be able to engage in collective self-defence and come to the aid of a military ally under attack – principally the United States.
Russia has absolutely no desire or intention to take Ukraine. It probably doesn't want the 2 novorussia self-declareds.
It's absolute rubbish the MSM has promulgated, like "wipe Israel off the map" or the notion anyone should give a flying feck about a Kardashian - whatever that is.
Who benefits if Russia invades Ukraine or starts a war? Not Russia.
Hint: De-Dollarization ends. The USD stays as King Dollar. Check mate, game over.
Russia can only win by staying out of a war, and build global momentum to de-dollarize. It can only lose by losing sight of this fact and straying off that course. All else is noise, distraction, bait and BS.
p.s. On a related de-dollarization topic... If China can't run an Iran-Afghanistan-China pipeline, then maybe the US cartels can't run one either from Central Asia via Afghanistan. Children who refuse to "play nice" get their just rewards in the end: No oil for you! No petro-dollars for you!
They won't take any of Ukraine most likely. If anything they will perhaps try to implement a solution whereby it's some kind of autonoumous region like they have in the Russian Federation but that's going to be tough given the hard line stance that Poroshenko and his guys have taken (you know lobbing shells into civilian areas in the East). But don't kid yourself, if they really wanted it they would have already marched in - given the situation there who could blame them? Refugeess are fleeing to the west and east (into Russia) due to the government's aggressive attacks on it's own people there, and the ethnic Russians see the writing on the wall if Kiev has it's way and basically makes them second class citizens in Ukraine. But our glorious 'democracies' and 'free' Western press don't report any of that.
Russia got what it wanted in Crime and the Black Sea Flotilla naval base(s). After all it was basically part of Russia for almost 300 years before the Soviets 'gave' it to Ukraine in the 50s. The people there don't speak Ukrainian and never really did - its mostly ethnic Russians and Russian pensioners Even die hard Ukrainian nationalist have said as much to me.
Chen you are a gentleman and sane voice as always, amongst the war-hungry zombies.
Of course war is a bad idea.
There is no good reason to go on a killing spree.
There is a qualitative and quantitative difference between political cassus belli - things that anger oligarchs and politicians - and things that are GENUINE cassus belli - such as people invading your town and doing the 'Conan the Barbarian' thing (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women).
Ukes on both sides have cause for complaint on that score. But the complaint is mostly with each other.
"Of course war is a bad idea."
So how tight will Russia let the West garrott the rope around its neck.
Georgia, Ukraine, Kosovo, Azerbaijan.
Do you see Russia with a chain around its ankle dancing with a tin cup while Obama and Cameron grind the organ?
I suppose you'd rather see Russia take whatever indignities the West foists on it forever rather than Russia upset the global apple cart.
There is gonna be no war, not a serious one anyway. Despite all the grand standing, the EU cannot fight a war (they have neither money, nor army), and the Americans are (at this point) just too inept to fight one ESPECIALLY against the Russians. You cannot send drones (human or mechanical) to fight the Russians. Who's gonna man the front line ? The NATO "rainbow" brigades ??
All very good points. How can I argue against that?
Rainbow men and gals vs teen age conscripts.
Who ya got?
(My vote is sit it out but I am thinking this is a single answer multiple choice question. A. War)
Russia has a professional (paid) army AND a fully functional drafting system. What that translates into is this: EVERYBODY there knows how to fight (women included). Ever wondered how a ragtag band of volunteers manages to ridicule the entire Ukrainean army (what's left of it anyway...). People's War has been the basic doctrine for the entire Warsaw Pact from its creation, in 1955. It still is for Russia ! That, together with unilateral first usage of nuclear strikes if national borders are in danger of being overrun (first introduced in 1993 then re-approved by Putin in 2000) represent the mainstay of Russia's military doctrine. Incidentally, this is why China will NEVER attack Oriental Russia as it would mean total anihilation of their highly populated coastal area. The Chinese know that very well, which is why they decided that an alliance would be much safer AND profitable...
Some airheads and smart pants (mostly in the so-called "elite") might imagine that a war with Russia would be a walk in the park, kind of like Irak invasions I and II, when in fact if would be the end of the West as we know it !
"unilateral first usage of nuclear strikes if national borders are in danger of being overrun"
Hence the US has been encircling Russia with anti-ballistic missile systems.
Counter-intuitively, ABM is an offensive technology.
Perhaps a few sub launched nuclear airbursts in the vicinity of the anti ballistic missile system via low flying cruise missiles that go below radar just before the first strike might well let most of the missiles come through.
But you are quite right in the US attempts to Ring Russia with an ABM system as far away as possible from the US shores and then perhaps some closer to home to make sure nothing gets through. Let us hope for the sake of the world that this wont have time to occur as the dollar dies and American influence and financial capacity dwindles. A shrinking US defense budget will certainly curtail many plans.
Stand off cruise missiles fired from Cuba or Gulf of Mexico WILL get through. There is no protection when the missiles come from The Gulf.
Anyway, China will be in the game too.
Who says that we are going to win a nuclear war???
NOBODY WINS A NUCLEAR WAR...EVERYONE...EVERYONE...EVERYONE LOSES.
But there are those in the US Government that think that we can win a nuclear war...THEY'RE FUCKIN' STUPID.
You can argue it with a Supercritical Geometry of a 93Pu239 trigger, with some Tritium, all jacketed in a 92U238 case.
If US Dollar Hegemony is threatened then our leaders will not have any problem creating those extreme geometry conditions with our ICBMs, MIRVs and Warheads.
You can count on that...
And if you believe that we will allow World Reserve Currency status quietly slip away, and acquiesce that POWER without a fight, then you are DELUSIONAL and in DENIAL.
Tell Obama's free shit army they can loot big screen TVs in Russia.
Send Putin a bottle of champaign when he converts them all into biodiesel.
A man could get elected talking like that in these here parts.
"Super Blue is made of ppppppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeooooooooooooppppppppllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeee"!!!!!
lol
This fellow has the hang of the reign, I like this fellow exceedingly.
You may wan't to browse newspapers from 1914 and 1939.
Your views are not new, and are repeated before every conflict.
As i said on another thread, the collapse is so close you can smell it.
Either TPTB get their war, or they get a noose.I'm betting on them getting
their woar.
A big part of the problem, imo, is that policy is made by such a small number of people, and they promote policies without regard to what We The People actually want. The animosity among world leaders, as in 1914 and 1939, is a lot worse than anything felt between peoples, but "they" (a few dozen players) will probably get their war anyway.
I'm pretty sure you can find videos from scores of nations where there are crowds in the streets chanting something like "Death to USA" or "USA go home". Word is that people don't like what the international crime syndicate has been using our taxes for all these decades.
They'll start a war but in the end they'll get the noose. See, I'm a bit more optimistic...
What planet you livin on buddy?
7300 cnfirmed Ukraine arm soldiers killed or wounded already and the numbers sandbaged low to hold down outrage.
300 dead on civilian aircraft
800 dead civilians of east Ukraine as this seems to be the Ukraine Armies target.
800 mostly civilian dead in Palistine dead in a few days
Isis slaughtering dozens daily in Iraq.
Who Knows how many in Syria and Libya.
Damn dude, how much blood do you need per month? Before it dawns on you?
That was brought up earlier. Has WWIII already started?
There will never be WWIII because WWII never ended.
The psychopathic neocons who run US foreign policy *want* a war. That they don't have the capacity to properly fight one is why this is so dangerous. They'll start it, it won't go well and then?
Unfortunately, I don't think they see it that way.
The Zionists got Jack Weinstein in charge of the US Nuclear assets - so a US first strike against Russia is ON. That was the necessary condition to trigger the end game we are now in...
Unfortunately, Russia is probably very much aware of this, even if they try to ignore the possibility as to horrible too contemplate.
As a result, Russia is on a hair trigger which can be set off by miscalculation or a black swan...