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The Shocking Reason Putin Isn't Worried About The $50 Billion Yukos Ruling
Having $50 billion of assets under potential seizure is enough to make anyone whince. However, despite a quickly worded statement on the Yukos award, Vladimir Putin seems less than anxious to find a resolution. We think we know why, and it's very concerning.
As The FT reports confirming our earlier comments:
The award is a landmark not just for its size – 20 times the previous record for an arbitration ruling. The tribunal also found definitively that Russia’s pursuit of Yukos and its independently-minded main shareholder, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a decade ago was politically motivated.
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Though Russia cannot appeal against the award, Moscow said it would pursue all legal avenues for trying to get it “set aside”.
Even if the ruling stands, shareholders face a tortuous battle trying to enforce it. If Moscow refuses to pay, they must pursue Russian sovereign commercial assets in the 150 countries that are party to the so-called 1958 New York Convention on enforcing arbitration awards.
But perhaps this explains why Putin is not coming out swinging, as The FT concludes,
One person close to Mr Putin said the Yukos ruling was insignificant in light of the bigger geopolitical stand-off over Ukraine.
“There is a war coming in Europe,” he said. “Do you really think this matters?”
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The Northern Hemisphere is already Fuku'd. And anywhere the TPTB go, they take their radiated lungs with them.
I vote for 'it's all or nothing' time. And since Fukushima guaranteed 'nothing' is coming quick, the final movement in this opera is going to be epic.
No one wins in war.
Except the financiers.
Nobody wins a Nuclear War. Not even the financiers.
And if you believe when one side is prevailing over the other that the other will not resort to using Theater Nukes then you are smoking the hopium.
And once the Theater Nukes are deployed then it is a very easy progression to an all out Global Thermonuclear War.
NOBODY WINS. It is a Mutually Assured Destruction. It is MAD.
It would be mad if war wern't 3 strikes and your out, there has to be a winner, just not you.
the apeshit , demonic crazy banksters think they can win -even if it takes a hundred million American casualties.
I know..They will kill everyone, including themselves, to retain their power.
Between this, Fukushima, Financial Collapse and Ebola...We are so fucked.
We're not doing it. The neocons and banking mafia are doing it: Neocons because they are batshit crazy and the banking mafia because of de-dollarization.
Our "leaders" are doing what the Globalist Oligarchs are telling them, not working in the interest of the people. The Oligarchs want population control and setup for global government. They don't want us useless eaters using up "their" resources.
As I've said numerous times... Each side is trying to front-run (out-flank and outpace) the other in the energy-backed fiat currency system and end-run for the world's energy deposits.
Russia & China WANT peace and a Eurasian Silk Road, the Anglo-American-Zio Alliance does NOT. Because if the Silk Road comes about, then so ends the Dollar's GRC hegemony.
Hence this is a war about preserving the Dollar's GRC status, at ALL costs. Else the wealth, power and lifestyles of its prime beneficiaries ends and their "world" ends. Especially if revolutionary-minded peasants in the West finally go after these Parasites (Banksters, Spying, Political and Propaganda elite), and roll out the guillotines.
Fiat and Militarism are drawing healthier Demographics and Economics into an early war, because the longer they wait, the tougher it will be for the Parasites.
"Guillos-on-wheels". Dig it.
Possibly,
But the other point of view is that it is the battle for the Yuan reserve currency.
Does the difference really matter. Doesn't a turd by any other name stink as badly?
I have heard a lot of wishful thinking that China (inventor of fiat) and Russia (who has defaulted every 40 years for the last two centuries) want a gold backed currency.
They say this because it appears they are collecting gold.
Did it never occur to these people that the Chinese and Russians would want the gold as a financial anchor during the battle for supremacy, only? Can anyone explain why these authoritarian regimes would have an incentive for establishing a fair and open currency, when a fiat currency serves government so much better?
Has no one ever considered that 'our' guys - no matter whether 'our' guys are in the East or West - are subject to the same human frailties as the rest of mankind?
I will not believe that a government will voluntarily limit itself by establishing a Gold Standard. The choice will be imposed upon it, or it will not happen. It is that simple.
Correct, but you are thinking too far ahead. To convince enough parties to accept a new reserve currency, would likely require gold backing. INITIALLY.
Later -- once everyone has been suckered in -- they would drop the gold backing and engage in the frauds/scams that human nature predicts.
Look at history. Fiats start out as hard money, then get slowly debased, then outright printed into oblivion. Certainly this was the path of the dollar.
The US is far more an "authoritarian regime" than Russia. Fema camps are waiting for millions of us. A stalinist/Maoist liquidation of millions of Americans is not beyond the realm of possibilities(or probabilties) for the sickos who truly run this country.
You're right!
To the US the new 'Silk Road' is like the old 'Ho Chi Minh Trail'
Russian politicians are quite famous for remarks like that. They enjoy hyperbole. Nobody wants a theatre-wide war, are you kidding? It pure self-destruction, for the Russians especially. It's a country still struggling to become prosperous. It is working with China and others to build a solid economic future, not end up as a war-torn wasteland.
Do you people here WANT war? Do you have any idea what that would mean?
Re: Do you have any idea what that would mean?
Dude, we'd kick their asses. Do you know how good our ______________________ (fill in orgasm producting weapon here) is !? That's a got a -5 on the hit chart, dude!
Thats what Napoleon and Hitler thought. It didn't end so well for them
Napoleon and Hitler did not have Nukes.
It will not end well for ANY OF US.
That's the idea amongst these Sick Psycopathic / Sociopathic, Pure Evil Scum Fucks.
Remember The Sampson Option. These Crimjnals would rather blow up the earth & Murder Billions to retain thier Pyramid Step Model of Authority.
I only have one correction to offer you which I will append to your words:
These Crimjnals would rather blow up the earth & Murder Billions to retain thier Pyramid Step Model of Authority, even if for only one more day.
I stand corrected. Thanks.
What shift are you on rocket scientist? You just coming in or punching out?
I donno, I kinda is. Running tricks on dumbasses is what life is about.
Mohammad was a Jew. Allah is a Jew. Gabriel is a Jew. Ishmael was a Jew.
Are you jewish?
There's another way to look at this:
Dear less-fit humans. How does it feel to be SO stupid as to fall for the same scams over and over and over for generations? Why don't you worthless losers just fess-up that you're genetically inferior, and kill yourselves and your worthless DNA bling.
Survival of the fittest, BITCHZZZZ!!!
NotRealAmerican
Dublinmick,
Your question contradicts itself.
u kicked nothing, ever.
normandy was luck. based on pre russian work.
you lost all war since70 years lol usa = failed !
Normandy was luck. rommel was ready -but the US had superior forces and got a lucky guess as to where the invasion was to land. The wisdom of hindsight. If you guess right, you look like a genius. Sometimes you just guess lucky. It's not like a chess game. We had superior forces in 1944 - Rommel couldn't defend every possible point of invasion. If I'm playing chess with three queens and four bishops -chances are I will win-no matter how good a chess player my opponent is.
No they don't have any idea of what a war would really mean.
Their experience of war is limited to movies, games, and the history classroom.
A war will make the idea of 300 civilian deaths in an airliner seem like no more than a footnote, unworthy of remark.
To some extent there are no 'good' soldiers in war. Soldiers are humans. Humans like power.
The power of the gun is the power to have whatever and whoever you want immediateley.
A good commander will make an effort to discipline soldiers such that the worst offenses are minimized, fewer rapes, theft, etc. But it is going to happen anyway. And not every commander is a good commander.
Then there is the banality of large operations. A few thousand people can be killed simply because it is too risky to fight in a way that avoids them.
All of that is before the forces on either (or both) sides get desperate. When they get desperate, the gloves come off, and you will wish for only a few thousand deaths, because you will have millions or tens of millions. In Europe you would likely have HUNDREDS of millions of casualties.
Politicians lust after this kind of thing as the ultimate gamble. Such wars as these make men into Temporal Deities - Gods on Earth, who can fulfill their every whim with a gesture.
They would be better of with LSD. And we would be better off hanging them from the nearest tree before they can whip up an angry mob.
Thats what the soldiers need to know.
If your orders are to start dropping high explosives on peasants, you've got a problem.
A military coup is actually LESS treasonous, than taking part in either 'suppressing insurrection' or this international war-mongering (which promises to be extremely costly, in terms of human lives and suffering)
@gcjohns -- This is what makes the US neocons so dangerous. They know any war will be fought ON SOMEONE ELSE'S HOME FRONT. So they calculate that it is a no lose scenario for them.
By "no lose" I mean it will be US poor people, who they are willing to sacrifice... vs total destruction of the "enemy's" society. Not a bad gamble if you are a sociopath.
For Putin, it is equally low risk. His tanks would meet Nato forces in Ukraine or other satellite states.
Not this time it isn't.
The NeoCons should be aware that if Russia fights NATO then the US mainland is in the frontline, targetted by long range non nuclear cruise missiles in undetectable Russian submarines sitting off the US coast.
This time NYC/DC/The Hamptons gets heavy damage. Europe will not suffer alone.
gay
Nuclear weapons aside, Russia cannot inflict any serious damage on US territory.
The Russian navy has exactly one (1) submarine capable of launching land-attack cruise missiles (Yasen Class). This carries at most 40 light missiles. On the same note, the Russian air force has precisely sixteen (16) modern aircraft capable of striking the US from Russian bases (Tu-160). The Russians were a paper tiger during the Cold War, now they're a paper kitten. The only thing we have to fear is...a crazy war of aggression started by our own government resulting in a nuclear exchange.
If you are alive it will be fun to watch you tell people you might have been wrong !
I've not been to war, and don't want to. My grandad was in the trenches in WW1, and told me about it in some detail - young lads being hit by bullets that whizzed past his ear, the creeping barrages, forays into no mans land, being gassed taking a prisoner back through the lines for interrogation. My dad was a Para, saw action in the middle east and Malaysia. He was in the field hospital when a wounded arab stabbed the doctor treating him, and he had to shoot the prisoner on the spot. A buddy of mine was in the UN force in what we used to call Yugoslavia, and recalled being targetted as he drove trucks down Sniper Alley, and of finding mass graves. Sobering stuff, and no doubt plenty here have either seen these things or had similar accounts from friends and relatives. I'd fight, but only a complete arsehole would want it, and I can't help thinking that overall it would be more proportionate to string up the bankers and politicians.
No known faster way to cause "shrinkage" then to have a bullet whisper in your ear. Frendly or no.
So may be a medical solution for that 4h problem.
War. If pissing and craping your pants while living in a hole in the mud is not your thing, best avoid it or walk away quickly.
No never "Served". You dont need to be in the army to be shot at.
But they at least pay you for that privilage.
Never stay in a war zone. Just walk out if you must, its safer.
The neocons don't want war they want unconditional surrender.
Hence the problem.
tumblemore,
Wrong on both!
Check Mate Barry
Poor Tom Clancy, he died before his fantasy war could take place. Maybe his ghost will be watching the tank and naval battles. He was more into the navy simulation games, if I remember correctly.
Did you read Red Storm Rising? His story of how a war in Europe would play out -including scenarios of biological warfare made some planners wonder how he got that information. Red Storm Rising was about muzzie militants destroying Russian oil fields so the Ruskies had to go for the oil fields in the ME but for that they first needed to neutralize Western Europe. Funny because now it is the West that goes for the oil fields in the ME and shale gas in Ukraine.
Best to know who you are being played by.
A more recent author associated with Baltimore is Tom Clancy. Tom Clancy was born and raised in Baltimore. He attended Loyola Blakefield in Towson and studied English Literature at our own Loyola College, graduating with the class of 1969. He explained in a message to the Usenet Newstroup (alt.books.tom-clancy), that he studied English because "I wasn't smart enough to do physics."
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102666
tired of waiting Putin, let's roll!
I'm in no hurry to see billions of people vaporized.
Or us having to breathe the radioactive fallout.
Most likely you will not be warned in advance...or be reading about it on Zerohedge afterwards as, most likely, you will be one of those Billions...along with the rest of us.
Hmmm...
Death by Ebola,
or,
Death by Nuke???
The Nuke is quicker. Less pain.
TT, in that case I'd better hope for the Transporter to come back online. Scotty!
Or, if you prefer the Christian/Rapture version, for God's Transporter to kick in JIT (Just In Time) and trans-substantiate our "mortal flesh" into "immortal flesh".
Funny, but the latter still sounds kinda Sci-Fi, i.e. "Sentient Beings made from other stuff"... advanced materials and alien tech -- but expressed by ancient people with their limited vocab and limited concepts as "imperishable flesh".
Just having fun, buddy. ;-)
First come the nukes then followed by Ebola to finish off who is left.
What makes you think you'll 'see' the others get vaporized and not be one of the vaporized?
In my case, it's specifically because I know what the targets are in my neck of the woods and I have a pretty good idea of what the Russians have in their current arsenal. I expect at least one, but probably two or more to hit the area in the event of a full exchange. I also expect at least one ground burst, possibly followed up by another, which is the scariest thing for me personally because while air bursts don't produce a lot of local fallout, ground bursts do. I'm far enough away that my place could avoid the fallout if the winds are not blowing towards me, but there is no guarantee that the winds won't be blowing towards me.
So yeah, I'm pretty sure that I'll get to see the fireball and mushroom cloud without being vaporized myself. Russia wouldn't give a shit about me and mine in this scenario, but all of the shit on Kirtland AFB is a prime target. During the cold war, it was a top 10 target for the Soviets.
If this really does escilate, I reccommend that people look up videos of reentry vehicles coming in, because if you are far enough away to not get killed, you still might be close enough to get blinded. You want to know when it is time to shield your eyes.
roll the tanks vlad, please
Hunker down bitchez.
Germany is 0-2 so far. I'll take them with 2 converted TD's!
merkel doesn't have the balls, she always goes for the extra point
Yep war is coming and the U.S flags will be waving. Idiots will let their sons and daughters go off and die for a damned banker war all under the guise of getting "those damned russkies". The fucking shit never ends and people never learn. This whole thing makes me sick.
You can explain this to people and yet it still does not sink in. They will still come back with the liberal vs conservative mindlock or either it is washington trying to run the world and zog sitting in London and Rome. Once those neuron pathways are established they are hard to break.
the average American thinks a banker is 'bank teller'.
Instead of germany and Japan.....it will be Russia and China this time....both will go for more territory.....at the same time..know Obama cant and will not do shit about it..Gays dont fight very well..
And a _igger can't drive with a broken back.
War in Europe? Wait, how old are those people? 40 on average? Lol.
40 yo Germans driving to war in the Mercedes Benzezez after coming back from vacation in Italy vs drunken Russians. Yeah, should be interesting.
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Your hatred for both groups is evident. What shift are you on iggy?
A nuclear war can only be won inside the demented mind of a John McCain or Lindsey Graham. I guess I better go see if I can recover anything from my boating accidents just in case.....
You are, of course. assuming those two scumbags still have minds.
Nuclear war may not be true. Droping a bomb or a controled test of a device, is far different then launching a missle and having it operate in the same way as a bomb or test.
Nuclear missles have never been tested. They may not operate as intended.
Bullcrap.
The nukes were regularly tested underground, and missiles with dummy warheads are still being shot at Pacific atolls.
Its no a simple thing to build or detonate matter. Its more then just techincal; its creation.
Propaganda is a strong thing. Building a nuke is not all that easy everything must work exactly as it is designed to work.
On paper everything can be made to look easy, in practice, not so much.
Never a missle with nuclear warhead, always a bomb, a test. Always controled. You would think after all these years they would have tested a missle with a nuke warhead but never did, anywhere.
Makes you wonder if the threat of a super bomb is the only thing that the powers found that works better then the bomb itself.
I think you are whistling in the dark.
Even a 9 in 10 fail rate will kill 95% of the target population. See Tall Tom's post below.
The funny fact is that the test bomb in New Mexico worked.
Then both real and deployed bombs, dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, worked.
You are smoking hopium.
The odds that they do not work are rather small.
You obviously never designed weapons. Nor have you seen the aftermath after our weapons have been detonated in the battlespace.
The physicists and engineers whom have designed these weapons are not stupid.
YOU ARE IN DENIAL.
They are not stupid, but they are in denial.
fiat
nuclear missiles ....
I read somewhere that a nuke has to be 'tuned' to work in whatever part of the world it's intended to be used in. If that's the case, we don't really know what kind of firepower we, or anybody else, has.
That may be bullshit, as well. Anybody know for sure?
It's BS. Some nukes have adjustable yields and they all need to be maintained, but the physics of how they work is independent of location. Get enough PU239 into a small enough space and you get enough neutrons banging into nuclei and breaking them apart, fling gamma rays, more neutrons, and all sorts of other shit out. This would work in space, on the moon or over your back yard.
dup
Let us suppose that 90% do not work...
That 10% is still more than enough to do EVERYBODY IN.
Dream on...
The problem with taking that God Damned Red Pill is that you cannot go back and change your decision.
Perhaps it is better for those whom are unaware as they are clueless as to what is about to unfold. Perhaps it is better that way. One moment they are here...the next moment they are not. They will not even be terrified at all.
I responded to a post by an atheist, earlier today, who wrote that Humans are afraid of the unknown.
I am more afraid by what I know than what I do not know.
CASE IN POINT.
Are you afraid??? You need to be very afraid of your Government as they have been planning for your destruction.
The Nuclear Arsenals are evidentiary of that EMPIRICAL FACT.
I have never acquired a tool which had no utility and which I did not USE. I do not believe myself to be all that much different, or more "special", than anyone else.
Bugs are cheaper and they work overtime.
Yes they have been tested.
Yes they will operate as intended.
My Dad, his brothers, and sisters all grew up downwind from the Nevada Test Range- all eight of t hem. The twoi oldest siblings were fully grown when testing started.
They are still alive.
Of the 6 younger siblings, who were children during the testing, only one is still alive - the rest died of cancer. My dad - who was the third oldest - and my aunt, who was the youngest both died within two weeks of each other last September. CANCER.
Nothing like that in generations before them, or thus far in generations after.
The bombs absolutely positively have been tested, and we have the casualties of the test areas to prove it.
He is in denial.
That is the first stage of dying.
It is to be expected, and understandable, that some will not want to confront their impending fate.
Some of us are in the anger stage. Some have progressed from that into the bargaining state. Others are depressed about this. Then comes acceptance.
I am still vacillating from anger to depression.
But I cannot deny this as I can see it.
Fuck them all.
Tests are one thing, live fire is another.
Its not only about; "Do nukes work" yes they do in a lab environment. As a bomb.
To have an "Always ready nuke", i would say not. Nuclear weapons are not bullets that last for decades and are ready to use.
Even if half of what they say about nuclear weapons are true, the shelf life would only be 5 years, then you would have to re-make the core.
They seem to have more power as propaganda and political fear then anything else.
That is if they would last 5 years untouched. Might be a lot more blanks then expected.
The Russians certainly replace/upgrade their ICBMs on a regular basis. Ironically it has been done by a company in the Ukraine. No doubt the warheads are checked at the same time.
They don't remain untouched. At any given time, there are more nuclear weapons in New Mexico than any other state, both on Kirtland AFB and up at Los Alamos, and the reason for a lot of that is maintaince.
They are replenished on a schedule.
It cost $20 Billion for the Manhattan Project. That is an enormous sum of capital back then. But there were not that many operational Nuke Reactors. Startup costs were high.
We have no problem producing the PU-239 today in Neutron Enriched Breeder Reactors. It is much less expensive. We have little problem centrifuging, depleting the Uranium Ore out of the Natural U-233 and U-235...and using the U-238 for the Commercial Reactor and Breeder Cores.
The DoD spend roughly $1 Trillion per year and some is allocated to the regular upgrade and maintenance of our ICBM and Submarine based Nuclear Deterrent.
Out of 135 Space Shuttle Missions there was only one SRB which failed out of 270 used. (Challenger) That is the very same Solid Fuel used in Nuclear Missiles.
That is a failure rate of roughly 0.33%...roughly a third of a percent.
I have Model Rocket Engines that use the very same APCP fuel. That shit lasts forever.
I can fire off that fuel Ten Years after the manufacture and have a 100% success rate in Model Rockets.
As for targeting capabilities???
We sent two different Spacecraft to Planet Mars in the past few years. Our targeting capabilities are so damned good that we can land a probe within a One Quarter by One Half Mile Ellipse on a planet, which at its closest, is some 60 Million Miles away.
But not only that we had other Spacecraft in Orbit around Mars. We TIMED the landings so that one of the Mars Orbiters would be directly overhead while the landing was happening.
The photos of these Martian Probes, TAKEN FROM ORBIT, of these Spacecraft "floating down" (actually used as a speed brake) on their parachutes to the Martian Surface was absolutely amazing.
Russia is about 5000 miles away from the nearest ICBM locations. That is roughly THREE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE difference.
If you extrapolate that then we can target a Nuke to an ellipse about 1/1000th of that size...That means an ellipse measuring 13 to 25 Feet.
I am sorry but you are smoking the hopium.
They will work...all too well.
That was when the U.S. was testing the "atomic bomb" in Nevada - a FISSION bomb, hence the term "splitting of the atom".
Todays nuclear weapons are FUSION bombs in which hydrogen atoms are fused together (hence the term "Hydrogen bomb", releasing energy many magnitudes greater than any "atomic bomb". Indeed, a "hydrogen bomb" is detonated by an "atomic bomb" located within the same device. The result is a "thermonuclear" explosion. To my knowledge, NO "Hydrogen bombs" were ever tested above ground in the continental U.S.; rather they were tested on various atolls in the Pacific Ocean.
The difference: An "atomic bomb" detonated in Manhattan's Central Park would damage a lot of buildings, but would leave most steel-framed concete buildings standing. A "Hydrogen bomb" detonated in Manhattan's Central Park vaporize those buildings, with NOTHING left standing.
Actually, the modern bombs are two stage bombs. You can make three stage bombs, but there is no need. Look up a Teller-Ulam device. There is a primary that is a fission reaction and then there is a second stage that consists of a plutonium core ("spark plug") surrounded by lithium-6 deuteride, and that secondary is typically clad in either U238 for more yield or lead for a cleaner bomb. When the primary goes off, it puts intense pressure on the plutonium spark plug, which produces another nuclear reaction, which provides enough heat to start fusing the li6 deuteride. If the secondary is clad in U238, there will be enough neutrons to start other nuclear reactions in that cladding, leading to even more fission. In fact, up to 50% of a bomb's energy can come from that U238 cladding. In fact, Tsar Bomba used lead cladding, and had it used U238 instead, it would have been 100MT. They are fission-fusion-fission devices.
Then you get into the more modern warheads, and they use the same concept, but some of them get into non-spherical and non-cylindrical geometries to get the physics packages to fit into a cone shape.
Yeah.
And now I read that they are encasing small Thermonuclear Warheads with Alum and Iron Oxide to make Thermite in the process and maximizing the Heat Wave affects.
I still think that the employment of a Berylium Lens to phase Neutrons (they are wavicles in the Quantum sense) lmuch like a laser, would yield more efficiency in the initial Fission of the Trigger as well as the secondary Fission in the Casing.
It is truly some nasty shit. Of course it is all in the name of DEFENSE. Nobody will dare use these offensively.../sarcasm
I believe that having some tritium/duterium in the primary boosts the number of neutrons, and thus the number of fissions that happen. I don't know if they use a boosted primary in something like a W88, but it is certainly possible.
We must look on the bright side of thermonuclear war, we will have replaced all that helium we have lost to outer space over the past billion years !!! I mean, have you guys priced helium for kid's birthday parties lately ???
Since Helium comes from OIL WELLS i can see why the costs are rising.
Don't bet against the transgendered navy squeals!
If Mr. Putin had a single finger of the Devil Stalin none of any of these games would have gone on this long or this far.
How many divisions do these people have.
No one would have played these games with Stalin.
NOBODY (except Tom Clancy's ghost) wants that kinda war anymore. The war is being fought with computers and virtual-money now. Sure, not as exciting as sending the Panzers against the Guards Division and rolling the dice (but adding +1 because you are attacking across that river), but safer for everybody else.
REFORGER was looted to supply the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
That gear that was supposed to be used to defend the Fulda Gap is now being toted by ISIS pukes.
NOTaREALmerican: "NOBODY (except Tom Clancy's ghost) wants that kinda war anymore."
MY REPLY: Really???? Didn't people say the same thing after World War 1? The "Great War"? The "War to end all wars"?
I think it was Albert Einstein who said, "I don't know how World War 3 will be fought. But World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."
I agree with you – if you look at the middle east while USA fucks around they know the Arabs are crazy and will die for a cause – so did HoChi Ming people – nationalists – US went away
In 1945 the entire west was afraid of Stalin – I think Putin is seen as too rational and that hurts him with these guys – if he shoved it up their ass in several ways and also put a bullet in the head of the Kiev Fascist animals he would have been better off - The US had Kaddafi and Hussein murdered - quid pro quo is there for the taking
Declare a Monroe Doctrine equivalent in Eastern Europe and do the same thing as the US
In that case, time to overload the BANDWIDTH of TPTB that seek "Full Spectrum Dominance".
IOW: Make 'em bite off more than they can chew, till they choke on it.
Putin knows the game is rigged, knows his enemies control thousands of nukes, the western media and banks, have no conscience, and want nothing less than the destruction of Russia and to enrich themselves at the expense of the Orthodox Christian (and Muslims) of Russia.
Now would have been, we'll look back and say, a good time to get that American Revolution going.
But of course, it won't, and 90% of the fuckwit cops and alpa-agents would shoot a pregnant teenager in labor if his c/o sword she was an Ayrab Terrist.
It's too bad there isn't a colonel who could fan out across DC, pull the likes of Richard Perle and Bill Kristol and The Kagan Klan from their nests and execute them. And McCain and Cheney and fucking Schumer and Graham and Jeff Goldberg and Krauthammer and Feinstein and Cantor and Feith and Wolfowitz and every neocon cunt and every hyperinterventionist twat that has for too long infested and hijacked our military and intelligence apparatus for the cause of a unipolar world, the petrodollar/private central banking, and Greater Israel.
Think of all the normal people, of whatever religion, race, etc. all the kids, that will have to suffer and die because of a relatively small cabal of neocons and militarists a small numbers of special ops could handle in a weekend...
Just arresting the lot would be enough. Let the 'Peoples Courts' decide what justice in the case may be.
Citizen Grand Juries.
They don't learn that way, Nah, Duffy is right it would seem.
-1 for becoming that which you hate
In my view Putin's close colleague is right, there is a war coming.
It makes Putin's decision not to take the bait and wade into Ukraine to sort out the Washington puppet fascist Ukie government look sensible. It would simply have brought it forward.
We know that the criminals in Westminster will fully support Washington (this has already begun with the TV channel regulatory body "Ofcom" yesterday warning RT.com in the UK that its coverage of the MH17 disaster is not acceptable), but the big question is: which way will Germany lean??
Here ladies and gents is ex candidate to Ukraine presidency:
http://www.interpol.int/notice/search/wanted/2014-16549
This is as close as they come to reincarnation of twofingermoustache austrian corporal.
With such upstanding citizens on US rolls anyone still have doubts that europe needs a little cleansing?
Sorry to disappoint, but there will be no war in Europe. Everyone with a dog in the fight is going to look at the numbers for and against a war, and will quickly discover there is no profit in it. They already know this, all the talk is just posturing.
The energy play in Ukraine is probably over-stated. I was thinking earlier it was all about the energy -- and a lot of writers I respect are still of that opinion -- but I don't think there is any energy "in the ground" in Ukraine to be had. I'm not sure what is going on over there but the fracking angle has got to be a ploy; there is nothing there. The drillers of course take their money front-loaded, they get paid to drill anywhere and everywhere and don't care if anything produces toward a profit so long as the production is enough to justify more drilling. Then the fact that someone is drilling at all brings on hot-money investors and fund managers and a lot of coin will be made just doing shitty deals. That is all the money there is in the Ukarain energy ponzi. When it is demonstrated that yes indeed as expected Ukraine hasn't got shit for oil or gas the ones who were in there flogging deals early on will evaporate into the night leaving the muppet bag-holders to commit ritual suicide.
That's the script, and that's how it will be played thank you.
Anyone thinks there will be war over an energy ponzi scheme needs to think a little harder about how to run a ponzi.
Now Ukraine might go to war internally, burn the mu'fucking place to ground, and have a great time and all that. But this is not the WW3 you are looking for, mates. Nobody with two functioning neurons is going to start a shooting war in Ukraine to feed a ponzi scheme. No you keep that deal on the low-down to suck in dumb rubes with cash -- war just sends them scurrying for cover -- and only when the noose tightens then you collapse the ponzi and run off with the loot.
Deal making at the end of the world. There were never four horsemen, there was only one, and he was a banker.
These players make their own reality, untill they can't. That is war.
So in a way war is true from their point of view.
Let her smoke the hopium.
You will never know the names of the ones calling the shots, and cannot speak to their reality.
Good points cougar_w, however, many wars started by those who possess much less than two functioning neurons. Moreover, things don't always make sense to be historically correct. In fact, history is rarely logical or reasonable. Greed makes people blind and stupid and therefore, I expect stupid things to unravel very soon. Hopefully not stupid enough to kill us all.
I don't want to argue the matter. It is all speculation.
But I do find it interesting how people view these things. To your contention that history is rarely logical or reasonable I would submit that history is exactly that, all the time and in every instance. If the logic of history amounts to the tawdry accumulation of wealth and power to the exclusion of all other activity, well that is still a logical organizing principle with extraordinary staying power. If you were to look back at all the historically significant wars and regional conflicts in modern times (being the only ones we have a lot of real history on) I think you will discover they were mostly business deals over bullets. Smedley Butler wrote the provocative War Is A Racket about just this reality and I don't think anyone ever proved he was entire incorrect.
I want to make an exception of the Second World War, but I won't. Fascism was perhaps just an excuse, the M/IC was already very much alive and well in the run-up to that war. Eisenhower in his fair-well speech was speaking from decades of personal experience. And look around, we have Fascism working right here in the US of A today so I wonder what we were fighting even at the time.
The First World War was of course about imperialism, and imperialism was (and to this day, remains) probably one of the longest running and most reliably profitable shake-down operations in human history.
Against that centuries long experience of war-as-business I cannot believe the same oligarch class is now going to suddenly go off-script and wage hot wars over principles or mindless jingoism, or greed. Not when they are operating perfectly profitable and legal energy ponzis all over the world.
I think instead they will break all the piggy banks in the world first, take their winnings (as they see them) and leave the up-turned and bankrupt world of nations to sort itself out in whatever stone age manner it desires, providing a certain level of entertainment in the process. There might be a lot of actual killing in the end, but nothing like a modern nuclear exchange or protracted ground engagement the way anyone is thinking now. We'll shed the over balance of 6 billion humans in the process -- can't be helped either way -- but that will become a fog on local and personal tragedy played out with clubs and knives and I don't think anyone will know nor care what actually became of the world by then.
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You are WAY OVER SIMPLIFYING. War is not just about resources or money. It has also been about power politics.
The example would be Viet Nam. There were no resources, no petrodollar concerns. It was all about the global chessboard and who was going to "win" and become head fucking cheese of NWO.
The neocons have never stopped dreaming of their NWO -- ie ruling the world. This is why they have been coaxing eastern European countries into Nato and moving missile defenses around Russia's borders (in violation of treaties).
In war, many people have many motives.
I was nodding my head up to this paragraph...The point is that nobody ever established what "are perfectly profitable and legal energy ponzis all over the world". The same like nobody ever established when "enough is enough". People commit crazy, unreasonable acts that cost them their lives in the pursuit of just another extra dollar.
After that paragraph, I continued to nod my head. Thank you
The Ukraine is the Strategic Prize for control of the west side of the border with Russia then tactical nukes by the thousands with 250,000 US troops with full support for supply lines
they want the seven time zones and undeveloped resources worth over $100 Trillionthey know Napoleon and Hitler lost based upon over extended supply lines, they will solve that with Odessa controlled for the Black Sea and other routes secure and shell Russia from fixed position with false flags over and over, once they understand the satellite and radar capabilities look out
They have to get Odessa first, don't they? You really think Putin would sit still while NATO took over Ukraine?
Do you mean NATO marching armies?
Or do you mean some people take off their Warsaw Pact or Collective Security Treaty Organization hats and T-Shirts and put on a NATO Tshirt.
If you mean the second.
In exactly what way does a change of clothing, change a person?
In exactly what way does participation in a mutual defense treaty make them a threat?
If it does, then cannot the same be said about the Collective Security Treaty Organization? The Baltics and Poland are CERTAINLY scared.
The problem with the first argument, is that there simply aren't the physical forces to make it a real threat.
One of the '200 american military bases' is right in Moscow. It houses the mlitary atache and a few other soldiers.
Citing the number of bases without highlinghting what is in them is a way to lie.
You want to know how many US forces are in Europe? Less than a Division of ground forces.
But if you say, "The Americans are massing one parachute regiment in Italy, one Mechanized infantry Brigade in Germany, and FORTY fighters!!!", it doesn't sound so impressive as if you say, "The Americans have 200 bases around the world." The US has 10 active duty divisions, and 49 active duty Brigades to fill them. The rest are reservists who are almost all in the United States.
The problem with the second argument, is that it requires us to believe that some governments are fundamentally better than others, despite very similar organizations. Exactly why would that be? Race? And what evidence exists to support that idea?
I would say: No reason. No. And None.
But that won't stop the insane. The insane want to blow up the world because someone said that they heard someone else say... and a politician repeated it because it would make him more powerful...
Which story more closely matches your personal experience of politicians and real people? Forget the nationalities.
Given that Crimea is Russian, any attempt by NATO to invade via Odessa would be almost instantly destroyed. This is why the USSA is so hoping mad, they lost their shot to take Crimea and then threaten Russia.
Obama has no brain cells. Kerry has one brain cell.
This team does not meet the braincell standard you are assuming.
Obama and Kerry have little to do with the developing situation. They are just dancing puppets who I doubt even understand the complexities of the situation.
Did not read past the first line. The two big motivations for tptb for a war are ... they get richer and they lessen their burdens. they finance / supply both sides for massive profits, because since you cannot put a dollar amount on a human life (sarc) we gladly pay $800 for a hammer if it is what they need. And who are "they"? They are the same "they" as ever ... the eaters. Gotta thin the herd a bit .. 50 percent should do the trick. It's not as if tptb are ever at risk.
Well I read all of your comment (since that is the way we do things here) and while there are indeed implications for the MIC in keeping everyone armed, notice they make most of their money selling against the risk of war; they don't really need an actual war to get rich, and actual war just messes up their ability to easily sell to both sides.
But in fact I think the MIC started to play second violin to the energy companies about 20 years ago. US foreign policy has been directed away from material conflict and toward strategic "wars of liberation (of your oil)" since about then. It is quite clear that the international oil majors have been pulling strings to get themselves into every small country with oil reserves. The only exception seems to have been Afghanistan, and to this day I don't think anyone has adequately explained what we were doing there or why we cannot leave.
Why do you think anyone gives a shit about $800 hammers? That whole thing was a distraction, and people still talk about it as if that's what is dragging us down. The real expense is running the Pentagon and it's bazillion paper-pushers, and bribing business men and elected officials in small countries, and funding insurgents and terrorists. War is a business and you have to invest in it if you intend to take a profit. I think the real money these days is war directed at energy resources, so that is where war has gone. Anyone running around pointing at the $800 hammers has completely lost their mind, or else they really are fine with war for oil.
It's not a 'war for oil.' It would a war for the possession of the last remains of the earth's reserves of oil. And if you don't understand the difference (I'm sure you do), the Pentagon certainly does.
"The only exception seems to have been Afghanistan, and to this day I don't think anyone has adequately explained what we were doing there or why we cannot leave."
Look at the map. Afghanistan's Western border is Iran's Eastern. When the US decides to take over Iran and its oil, they know it will not be the cakewalk that Iraq was.
The liberation of Iran calls for a pincer movement, no?
It's sine qua non.
Coug, You said- The only exception seems to have been Afghanistan, and to this day I don't think anyone has adequately explained what we were doing there or why we cannot leave.
That's easy, the answer is opium. Opium is THE major source of funding for black-ops for the western world and has been for decades, at least. Actually, the Brits used that same product to subjugate Chindia via the original silk road before our great-grandparents were born. IOW, a long fkn time.The excuse was Osama bin Laden...
But you are SPOT ON.
Thanks Tom, but I gotta tell ya', I'm making some BIG assumptions about cougar_w and her she he it's- orientations. However, cougar_w has not responded to me directly. Maybe I'm just beneath her/his dignity. I will say this; I read with rapt attention the stuff he/she posted regarding Fortran and Cobol, being old enough to remember.
Hope you're right Cougar
You assume, of course, a rational US government. The fact is that the neocons have long held that it is possible to position America so that it could implement a successful first strike and at the same time destroy any possible Russian retaliation. They haven't to my knowledge changed their minds about this. Ukraine is 5 minutes from Moscow. That makes it damned imporant to them.
I assume the US government is run by the major oil companies, and that they know exactly what they want, and exactly how to get it.
The neo-cons are pathetic clowns. They are allowed to caper around in their funny hats to amuse the dull-witted American public, who are also clowns. The MSM loves this spectacle, so we get it all the time. This makes it seem important but it's all a dumb show.
The major oil companies own government outright, and they are in a pitched struggle for their very continued existence. Peak oil is set to starve them to death. Nothing else happening in the world matters except their survival, them getting access to all the remaining oil reserves in the entire world, and them funding their political friends in Washington and Brussels toward that end.
It will become desperate to the point of seeming insane, but that is what happens when the most powerful beings on earth begin to fade away and die.
The US is not run by the oil companies, Coug, any more than Saudi Arabia is. The West and its allies are run by their systems of money and credit.
Those systems are failing, because the availabilty of cheap energy is coming to an end. The success of a fiat fractional reserve system absolutely assumes, at the end of the day, that there will forever be cheap exploitable resources. The western powers are flailing about like a 3 year old in a tantrum simply because they can't accept this simple truth. We can no longer service the usury-debt system because we have run out of resources to exploit, and because of that, there is no growth to offset the ever-mounting burden of interest payment. It cannot function without continuous growth, and there is no growth because of cheap resource depletion.
My Ol' man woulda called this a self eating watermelon. There is no resolution, only reset, which finally brings me back to the subject at hand- Putin.
I did not know until recently that Putin has succeeded (so far) where JFK failed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jb8KqaerhQ
Now, Russia appears to have vast un-tapped resources, which the money and credit cabal desperately crave. This same cabal owns or controls your local mainstream media outlet, and has demonized Putin for what he has done. He exiled and/or downright eliminated the 'oligarchs' in Russia. The ZH crowd knows the oligarchs as Zionists- a close enough approximation, I suppose.
You haven't been far enough down the rabbit hole, Coug. In fact, if you follow the rabbit hole far enough, you will pop out in another location which has a different culture and belief system. By this time you will have found many intersections in the subterranean world of finance and politics. What to do, then? Dive back in, 'cos there are more intersections to explore.
'American' nations are run by their 'american' middle class.
That may have been true 50 years ago. Now, we have lost any semblance of control over our elected officials. The oligarchs run USA Corp. now.
PUTIN should set aside $1 billion of Gold at the current price and pay in 10 years with interest at 250 bps over current TSY rates.
Good deal for Menatep? If there is a war in Europe, US willl have to get involved because the coalition of the willing is unwilling. So US will have to spend MOAR treasure in this war. Then what? In ten years PUTING sell the Gold, gets $50 billions clownbucks and repays.
I coulda told you that. This is all childlike games in his mind..he knows that they are going to stop at nothing until he either bows down or places him in a position to retaliate with force. The US will do anything but fire a shot. He knows they are going to try to sabotage Russia with everything in our arsenal for daring to go after the money interests and dollar homogeny.
He likely knows they are actively going to attempt to stir coups and even possibly assasinate him. He could park those new stealth submarines in the Atlantic and hit Manhattan and D.C. at 3am while everyone sleeps and China hit L.A. in the Pacific like they showed they could do with the missile fired from the Sub a few years back and the entire power structure of our nation would be wiped out never to recover for decades...the FSA would do the rest murdering each other in chaos.
Europe would bow in a heartbeat out of fear and a new balance would be swung. The sheer hubris of us thinking he would not do that if pushed to a scenario where it means preserving Russia or allowing it to slowly be eaten by the banker parasites is what frightens me.
He's already demonstrated how far ahead he is off the slug bought and paid for politicians..we have become so complacent in thinking that nobody would dare hit us with a first strike that it is beyond comprehension.
So what maybe we fire a few missiles at Moscow? He will not be there and the balls of all the Euro nations would be cut instantly once the bully gets punched. It would be so surprising that I do not even think we would retaliate simply out of fear..you hit D.C. And Manhattan and it's all over for us.
That is what scares me since I live in Manhattan..why are they pushing a calculating and provoked person when there is nothing to gain but cash?
We have animals running our nation.
I'd say get out of Manhattan.
Manhatten, like 1700's London. History, culture (not really), its more a a prison now then it ever was, so much energy (like a gym going nowhere yet full of purpose).
Manhatten is your worst dream in soiled cloth and then there is money, like a heavy mist in morning everywere and fading fast.
No place like Manhatten.
One should live his days as his stars direct him. For good or ill.
There are animals running EVERY NATION.
Putin will not do a nuclear first strike because the Russian population is almost all confined to comparatively small urban centers separated by mostly unused wilderness.
Take a drive from Moscow to St Petersburg some time. Not 20 years ago that road was not paved all the way. Why would it? Everything was on trains.
'A few missiles' would end Russia. Putin and his gang would survive, but the (already declining) Russian population would be extinct.
This does not benefit Putin, therefore he will not do it unless he can guarantee there will be no return US missiles.
And unfortunately for Putin, the side-effect of the much-lamented US suburban-sprawl, is that to similarly decimate the US population he would have to use so many Nukes that as a consequence, the rest of humanity would starve in the resultant several-year-long nuclear winter.
And no, an EMP would not solve this problem for him, because it would not affect the US strategic Nuclear forces.
So what you have here is NOT a Mexican standoff.
It is a Polish stand-off. Everyone has a gun to their own heads.
Europe proclaims, "Back down or your primary customers get it!"
Russia proclaims, "Back down or your fuel supplier will be killed!"
The US & UK proclaim, "Back down or your financial system will collapse!"
And China proclaims, "Back down or your manufacturing base will be destroyed!"
The rest is just posturing...
The one thing I can guarantee is that things will change because they cannot go on the way they are.
No. All you have to do is take out the energy supplies. Lack of clean water will kill the majority of the population within a month.
CSS1971,
So what?
Russia dies by Fire and the US dies of diahrea.
In what way does anyone win?
The Powers That Be. The Elites. The psychopaths in charge. They win.
He will anilate NYC since that is the place of his principal adversaries – if DC is gone actually would be favorable for the American people – we could start over and be better off
Lolz... firstly win war in Ukraine before going against nato... good joke russia
Why should he?
He can bleed Ukraine and the west for decades by supplying explosives and weapons.
Expect car bombs in Kiev, bitchez.
Yup. He's slowly drawing NATO into Uke, one country at a time. It'll destroy NATO entirely while Russian forces guard their own borders. Germany will see the light and leave NATO and the EU.
We have entered the penumbra of a very dark shadow.
If a war should begin in Europe, there will not be enough of the living to bury the dead.
The most disturbing development in this crisis is that it is more and more difficult to see how to back away from it.
God help us.
Negotiate before it is too late.
Eveery country in Europe has, within living memory, been torn up by serious war. They are considerably less cavalier about it than the US, whose mainland has never been smacked. I wonder if many Europeans will really want to go through that again, just to please the US. Does anybody really think that Russia wants (more) European land?
Never been smacked? Hardly. We fought our own damn selves and did shit like Antietem, Altanta, etc.
And that was with fucking muzzle loaders, for the most part.
No one kills like us.
And nothing since the 19th century. Americans have forgotten what war is really about.
I've been in four wars.
What about you?
You only know war from the perspective of an immperial soldier whose country has never been invaded or known the terror of war domestically. YOu are proud of having been in war - just as an imperial solier should be - one whose lands have never been threatened, infrastructure destroyed, food sources interrupted, your family starving ....you have never known war. Europeans have. Rusiians have. Americans have not, which is precisely why they can be so cavalier about war and so excited to get into another one, so that like you they can brag about being in another one that never threatened their family or job.
Oh puh-leeze. You never had to find shelter from bombs. Look at the photos of devastated cities, did you ever get this in the US? No, you don't know what war is, you just watch it on your teevee.
Putin knows what the neocon lunatics have in mind:
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/06/cold-war-20-dangerous-games-f...
That about sums it all up.
Nobody anywhere should be mistaken as to WHO is creating this new (cold/hot) war against Russia and then China: it is Washington and its puppets in Europe, most notably in Westminster. These two countries are being run by criminals and it doesn't matter which political party wins an election, they play the same game to the same rules. The only thing that will bring this madness to an end are literally millions out on the streets and plentiful supplies of rope and piano wire.
https://www.youtube.com/user/zionget I get a kick out of this guy.