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The Shocking Reason Putin Isn't Worried About The $50 Billion Yukos Ruling
Having $50 billion of assets under potential seizure is enough to make anyone whince. However, despite a quickly worded statement on the Yukos award, Vladimir Putin seems less than anxious to find a resolution. We think we know why, and it's very concerning.
As The FT reports confirming our earlier comments:
The award is a landmark not just for its size – 20 times the previous record for an arbitration ruling. The tribunal also found definitively that Russia’s pursuit of Yukos and its independently-minded main shareholder, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a decade ago was politically motivated.
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Though Russia cannot appeal against the award, Moscow said it would pursue all legal avenues for trying to get it “set aside”.
Even if the ruling stands, shareholders face a tortuous battle trying to enforce it. If Moscow refuses to pay, they must pursue Russian sovereign commercial assets in the 150 countries that are party to the so-called 1958 New York Convention on enforcing arbitration awards.
But perhaps this explains why Putin is not coming out swinging, as The FT concludes,
One person close to Mr Putin said the Yukos ruling was insignificant in light of the bigger geopolitical stand-off over Ukraine.
“There is a war coming in Europe,” he said. “Do you really think this matters?”
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He got it right.
And they are desperate to find a pretext to drag Russia into a warm incident:
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/07/desperate-to-find-pretext.html
The people in westministe are not the puppets notwithstanding republican hack Paul Craig Roberts.
http://www.in5d.com/40-outrageous-facts-most-people-dont-know.html
Those are puppets within the United States.
Geopolitically, the UK is No.1 puppet. Recall the screaming coming from Cameron/Hague to bomb Syria in support of Washington. Recall the obscene comments spewed relentlessly by Cameron & Co since MH17 went down in support of Washington. Recall Cameron's decision the other day to hold a public inquiry into the murder in London of Litvinenko, widely believed to have been the work of the Russian government because he was an MI6 double-agent.
Mick, that link is mostly, maybe almost entirely horseshit, from the glance I gave it.
As to who is the puppet of whom, I think US foreign policy is controlled by probably a few different groups, overlapping, and that there are shifting alliances at all times. the MI{S}C, Banking dynasties/interests, large international corporations generally [oil, pharma, illegal drugs often run through clandestine ops in significant part] and Ido believe it fairly obvious - international Zionism are the 4 horsemen here.
There's overlap, for sure, but take a look at Iraq. Cheney is lumped in with the "neocons" but he assuredly had different motivations than the Perles and Feiths. The oil companies weren't lobbying for the war, the pro-Israel crowd, openly, was. The same crowd pushed for ww1 for Balfour. That same crowd did push through the Fed Reserve Act and likely really does, as the "conspiracy theories" go - own a very disproportionate amount of shares.
In any event, the Vatican, Jesuits, space lizard, annunaki, luciferians... mostly distractors. The Vatican and the Church hierarchy has a lot of land wealth, but it doesn't print money or have an army and most Catholics in Europe and North America are quite secular, Christmas and Easter Christians. There are around 3,000 Jesuits - they control a bunch of colleges, but not very tightly, and that's about it. People mentioning Vatican/Jesuits want, I think, to distract you from the clear power brokers in government, banking and media.
The ability to print money out of thin air and loan it at interest, and the ability to command a military and mercenaries and armies of spies - that's power. The ability to control the media, and which candidates run for sham elections - that's power. These powers ALL in their own way benefit tremendously from war and debt.
Wars are very bad for church attendance and Sunday donations.
As to the stuff in your link, pick a few at random and spend a little time looking into it objectively and see what you find.
As usual, Russia is three steps ahead of the clueless West. It was apparent several months ago that the mess in Ukraine would end up shattering NATO like the rack in a game of 8-Ball. The Eastern Europeans and the Germans literally cannot live without Russia. There is nothing the West can do to satisfy their immediate needs; we cannot do a Berlin Airlift to replace billions of cubic feet of lost Russian natural gas. And yet NATO defense commitments force them, at least on paper, to toe the American line on foreign policy. This is the kind of alliance that simply makes no sense anymore. America is out of touch with the political and economic realities affecting its far-flung empire of vassal states, who for their own good must "dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another." We really can't complain against this, since we fought our own revolution for the exact same reasons.
No, you are missing the point. Oil and gas are finite.
If you kill 100 million Russians and 200 million Europeans then the competition for those resources is reduced. That benefits America.
The game is not being played to benefit America, we are the sacrficial lamb. Agenda 21 has a goal to reduce the American population by 90%
agenda 21 = 2.1 kids per couple
What makes you think that you are America? America is the people that own it. You're just another debt serf.
American here. I can hear you bro. I like like minded people. And we are, as we are American. Shall we not kill the 3 billions people that do not consume oil and gas? That would even more reduce competition for those resources.
3 billions people over 300 millions. That would be 10 times more resources for us in the land of the brave and the free.
That is what my powerful american brain tells us to do and my instincts never miss.
Signed: an American.
even thoghe many of us is clinical obese fat and have bad circulations,hemeroids and haves flat feet i still thinks we can win a mono a mano fights with the putnik people.,
american steal and beliefs will trumps russki card bored any days
semper fi
Ain't going to get a stand up fight.
You'll get Afghanistan with opfor getting a nearly infinite supply of bombs and weapons.
While Obama crashes the dollar.
The Puntin spokesman didn't refer to what kind of war was coming.
He could be referring to an economic war, rather than a military war.
Another war on Drugs, or Poverty? Those have done their share of damage, for damn sure.
Or possibly a cyberwar. Far more efficient.
He could be referring to an economic war, rather than a military war.
All wars are economic wars...cold...or hot.
We have been engaged in economic war for quite awhile. Putin, as most others, may not understand what an economic war is.
Thus he was probably referring to a Military Conflict.
You can deny it and smoke the hopium all that you want.
Or...You can prepare and hedge accordingly to the best of your ability.
That decision belongs to you and you alone.
You are in denial.
"20 times the previous record for an arbitration ruling."
"politically motivated"
The hypocrisy of the bankster corrupted West makes me sick.
This looks like the kind of fine that Lloyd's should have gotten. That they only got $105M for rigging LIBOR, shows just how completely corrupt and without merit these crooks actually are. I hope it gets more press so more people can see.
Khodorkovsky & Comrades bought Yukos from drunk Boris Yeltsin for $350 million.
Now somebody wants $50 billion for it.
Ordinary Russians adore their President who can put rich thieves into jail.
Fixed it for you.
Tell us about that....
Should have left him there...
Jeez,
I miss the old Cold War.
It seemed so much safer than this new version.
How many fines did the Corporate States of America pay after causing the global financial system to collapse?
What's that? Did I hear 'nothing' ?
So far?
About $3 Trillion in Fed Base Money plus $1.5 Trillion in TARP and TALF.
That money comes from my kids milk fund, and out of my retirement.
What the hell do you think the financial repression, myRA, and EVERYTHING the Fed does is all about? You think that benefits Americans?
The regulations that make American workers more expensive than foreign workers, even if their take-home pay is identical? What do you think that is about?
If Putin was only interested in establishing a more fair financial system he would do only ONE THING:
BUY DELIVERY GOLD.
Time and probability will do the rest.
That he does more indicates he has greater ambitions.
Wrong! So far it's $23 trillion per Neil Barofsky (SIGTARP) in congressional testimony and it's because of the lack of regulation, particularly the deregulation of the big banks and the financial services industry.
I got $100 trillion Zimbabwe I can lend Putie. Tell 'em the can keep the change!
Right about now, my father would be digging an underground shelter and stocking it very well.
He'll pay them back alright once USD-hyperinflationary processes are further/well advanced, and it'll cost him very little then. Putin 79 - West 1
It's looking like Putin should just launch a preemptive first strike with nukes against the US and Europe.
Or they can just charge more per BTU of natural gas that they're currently selling to the EU.
$50 billion won't even buy you 25% of a chat site like FaceCrook.
Why Putin is Under Attack
^nutshell.
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it's being reported that Israel told Gaza City civilians via leaflets and texts to gather in the city center to avoid bombing then bombed the city center. Not yet verified, but remember - if its about Hamas or Hezbollah or Iran o Russia or Assad - it need not be verified in any way, whereas even meticulously verified evidence of American, and especially Israeli war crimes will be barely mentioned in the MSm, or not mentioned at all. And whosoever might mention it will be trolled upon and smeared as an "anti-Semite" because it's not a war crime or murder when the Jewish State does it.
Interesting, but instead of publishing a book, could you give the link and an actual summary?
Yeah, fair enough Mi - sorry. Normally don't do that but was a bit...aggravated. You're right.
This article would tend to indicate that Russians wish to replace 'Papa Stalin' with 'Papa Putin'.
Stalin killed more Russians than Hitler did.
May God have mercy on them.
If Putin wanted to kill, he would have gone to war long before today. The west pushes, pushes, pushes and, still, he tries not to kill. At some point he will have to go to war because he's being forced to do so by the west. At some point that war will come to America and we will know what hell is.
The obstacle to a politician achieving TOTAL POWER ALWAYS comes from within.
If Putin wanted to kill, he would have gone to war long before today. The west pushes, pushes, pushes and, still, he tries not to kill. At some point he will have to go to war because he's being forced to do so by the west. At some point that war will come to America and we will know what hell is.
negative. take a look at who the Bolsheviks were - Stalin was a Georgian and the vast majority of the Bolshevik leadership and secret police were not ethnic Russian. The evidence of heavy Jewish over-representation is abundant.
I'm saving this post for tonight's lullaby
Exactly! And it is pretty odd that we side with someone we are going to war with.
I saw this interview with an elite professor Alexander Dugin who they refer to as "Putins Brain" he
said "They will come to our side quickly if they embrace Ron Paul"
here it is if anyone is interested, I found it facinating.
Russian with English subtitles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPkEDRSYUpo
What I got out of that exchange is that statists on both sides are fucking dangerous.
Duffy Duck
Only one thing I would add, Stalin was trained by Jesuits while in the Tiflis Orthodox Seminary in Georgia—openly admitted by “Koba” himself to journalist and Masonic Jew Emil Ludwig (Cohen). It is best to remember the Bolsheviks shared power with their jewish brethren who also run the Jesuit cap of the pyramid.Loyala who founded the Jesutis was himself Jewish.
Both Hitler and Stalin were trained at the tavistock insititue in Britain and actually played chess together there.They were both British agents.
http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/the-irish-hitler-the-strange-tale-of-b...
http://greghallett.com/
http://www.thecontroversialfiles.net/2013/03/angela-merkel-hitlers-daugh...
Great piece, Duck.
Here's another reason they're after Putin:
“Kolomoisky has publicly spoken of Ukraine as the “second homeland” of the Jewish people.”
The Kosher Chocolate King & The Chameleon
http://greatgameindia.com/mh17-chameleon-operation-rapid-trident-ii/
It's their real home, they just vacation in Palestine.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRNDvdDbpBL9V-_kXiZ...
@Daffy Duck, David Duke of KKK fame?
Duffy Duck
Wow.
WOW! This is a great article. Thank you.
Some time ago, a video featuring Putin mocking some 'american' sanctions was released. In it, he listed names that he said sounded russian.
The list only is enough to see how this article is disconnected with reality.
If Mr Putin wanted he waits 1 year and the $50 Billion will be worth 100 Rubles with the collapse and hyper inflation.
Ok, now comes the lesson for Oblomao. Putin draws a redline, watch the Germans shit themselves over making that 50B disappear quick, along with conceding the whole of the Ukraine, and possibly pieces of a few other republics....
The Germans have become what the French were, and the French have become Arabs.....
Unlikely. Don't underestimate them. Germany's billionaire class is playing for independent big power status. Conflict with the US is inevitable, but in what context? They face a choice between a future in BRICS or as a German Empire assuming control of NATO. I was hopeful, but Maykel's shift to full sanctions on Russia and participation in the plunder of Ukraine since the Malaysian airliner shoot-down points to latter.
There are many other forces coming into play, including the regular people of Germany, the level of play is high and the meltdown of the dollar and the world economy is essentially unstoppable and unprecedented. Many players face the danger of revolution at home, including China, India, Brazil, South Africa, Southern Europe - and the US. (US an unlikely candidate you say? ON the surface yes, but I know what's in people's hearts, people of all races, most income levels and political persuasions; our political system is utterly incapable of representing our real interests; and we're just naive enough not to know what we can't do.)
The future will be full of surprises. That is, if it doesn't end suddenly.
Someone in europe was sending a message back in 2008 when the Bath House spoke before the Brandenburg Gate in Germany.
ON the surface yes, but I know what's in people's hearts, people of all races, most income levels and political persuasions; our political system is utterly incapable of representing our real interests; and we're just naive enough not to know what we can't do
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'American' political systems are not supposed to represent other interests but the 'american' middle class interests.
Shuja'iyya Neighborhood of Gaza, before and after the Battle of Shuja'iyya, picture by the UN
Can we get George "the Seer" Bush to gaze into Putin's eyes again?
America sure can pick some dumb fucking leaders.
Hearsay. In the F fucking T. From an anonymous "source."
Yawn. Wake me up when someone actually says something, instead of when the FT makes up any damn headline it wants based on stuff it made up
Hoping for below average temperatures in Europe this winter.
It's time for people to get ready for what's coming...
How long will the US & UK versions of RT.com TV last? A week?
The unelected, unaccountable and Doublespeak named "Independent" Ofcom regulatory body which is in charge of supervising TV stations for compliance with licences, rules & regs has already given RT.com a dressing down yesterday for its coverage of the MH17 disaster. Apparently, the British government doesn't take kindly to RT showing live presentatioins of Russian top-brass describing Western allegations against Russia are all unfounded and based on "social media". Nor of presenting its revealing satellite imagery when Washington dare not do the same.
And how long will ZeroHedge last if the going gets tough?? Last week's apparent DDoS attack may have been a trial run for what's planned. I hope the Tylers have a mirror backup available.
Then there'll be travel restrictions and currency controls imposed. Any banks which go under will be bailed-in by investors, assuming their money hasn't already been stolen by government and used as compulsory war loans.
fuck. shit just got real. i have skin in this fucked up game.
85 people and a couple a old aristocracies...you call that a war.
Good time not to be an oligarch.
FU NWO Putin and China are coming for you.
Outta curiosity, who do you think is the new world order?
same as the old world order - the banking mafia - but they want to come out in the open for a change
NWO, will become Scotland's greatest group since the Bay City Rollers.
"One person closed to Mr. Putin said" .....*this* is what's making headlines here now?
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/all/modules/blockquote/images/menu-leaf.g...); background-position: 100% 100%;">One person close to Mr Putin said http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/all/modules/blockquote/images/menu-leaf.g...); background-position: 100% 100%;">One person close to Mr Putin said"This is how Von Rumpoy and Barosso can justify seizing Gazprom pipelines - they'll say that it was to pay for the judgment and cover up theft with a questionable court ruling.
I can't WAIT to see how Putin deals with this.
They may be able to seize the pipes but they have no control over the spigot
Whoever thought fat boy Kim Jong Un would be fighting on the side of the United States of America:
North Korea threatens to nuke the white house.
Well do it when Congress is in session.
Chill out, munchkins. NO WAR is coming. Period. Economic collapse, yes; but the current potential for a hot war will be cut off at the knees at the last possible moment as the rest of the world seeks to buy time.
The U.S. is almost all bluster now, and is weakening hourly, while most of the rest of the world is , and has been for some time now, frantically preparing a way to drop and dump the dollar in a concerted effort that will occur almost overnight, thus consequently plunging the U.S. into a chaos of helplessness brought on entirely by the hubris of its ruling class and the pathetic complacency of its flag waving rabble.
I live, by the way, in Oklahoma, where we take our neuroplasticity a bit more seriously than the rest of you violent, covert flag-waving twits. Wake up and smell the geopolitics.
That actually sounds quite plausible.
But the war-heads pose a risk because an already-fueled ICBM doesn't know that the country that fired it is bankrupt.
In the ultimate irony, corruption is our last ace in the hole: in that those who give the orders as to who gets a missile up their butt are themselves controlled by the ultra-wealthy, who in turn make their judgements entirely on the basis of real, hard-asset profitability. These guys defend neither borders nor national sovereignty, so those considerations have long since flown out the window, and virtually every last penny has already been wrung out of the system. Ergo, the entire US itself is, and will be, thrown under the bus, but in such a manner as to (it is no doubt hoped) not inflict any damage on the profit margins of overseas investments. And please note how much money and capital has been flowing into the BRICS system. As always, follow the money...
Yes, and those ultra-wealthy have long been openly planning to eliminate the vast majority of worthless eaters (human beings), because they firmly believe that furthers their interests. So I agree with most of what you say, but the motivations that matter are not only those you see played out day to day, month to month, year to year.
Also, quite a few of the "leaders" who are "controlled" by strings manipulated by the ultra-wealthy are not exactly rational, emotionally balanced humans. They are predatory psychopaths.
All it takes is for one of them to momentarily get pissed and give orders to their military (or snipers, or other options) and start something that can't or won't be stopped.
Make no mistake. The USSA is the evil empire on this planet, and evil empires will do anything to pretend they're not in the process of spiraling down the toilet of history. As situations get crazier, expect the crazier people to dominate even more completely.
"The U.S. is almost all bluster now, and is weakening hourly"
True but that's why there might be a war - because they're in a hurry (and conversely why Putin is playing for time).
Is ISIS at the Gates of Vienna?
When a loaf of bread costs 10,000 U.S. dollars, then Russia may decide to pay.
So, let's do some calculations. If the purchasing power of $1 USD falls to $10,000 USD, then the current $50 billion "owed" by Russia in the Yukos dispute will be the equivalent of approximately $5 million USD in today's money.
Ukraine spends about $1 billion (minmum) per month to Russsia for natural gas. then when the $10,000 level is reached (as above), UKraine will be spending about $10 Trillion USD (minimum) per month to Russia for natural gas.
So, it appears that Russia will be able to afford that $50 billion !!!!
Contentious thread, as always.
Might I humbly suggest - what should really be at issue here isn't so much which side is more or less right, etc.
What should be at issue is the United States, and its relation to Israel, to Palestine, and to the conflict as a whole.
In that vein, I do not care to argue with mental deficients like 'canucklehead' or tireless, dishonest propagandists like ... eh, you know, I'll just name the one handle. If you think the 4th most powerful military in the world is legitimately "defending itself" by bombing schools and hospitals, and if you simply don't care about the plain fact that Hamas rockets came after air strikes [and other IDF and Jewish mob actions] which came after kidnappings which basically everyone is now admitting Hamas didn't do - then you're as to the first matter absurd, and as to the second completely uninterested in the facts, and respectfully - none of us should be reduced to calling each other names.
For the moment, and I'm new here, I know it doesn't matter, but WTF, I want to jump in to say that my concern is the United States, not arguing history or politics with people who aren't open to new evidence.
In that spirit - I say, cut off all aid to both Israel and Palestine, and aggressively move against any and all existing Israeli spy rings, and dismantle the NSA which is in all likelihood fully compromised by Israeli/Jewish spies.
and yes, Jewish influence in media, both by direct ownership, management, and reporting, and the more indirected pressure group like the ADL and AIPAC can put on any honest, objective reporter as to Israel's Occpation - has to be discussed. Jewish influence is far in excess of what it 'should' be by demographics, and this matters given the reflexive emotional attachment to Israel a large minority have, particularly given the well-evidenced desire of the Jewish neocons to use the United States as sword and shield to weaken all its regional potential rivals.
Israel is a military, economic, and strategic liability. It is not a true ally and has never been. Those who aim to keep us connected at the hip to Israel's right wing governmnt, be they dual citizen Israelis, or Southern Evangelical end-of-the-worlders, are traitors to peace, and to the Republic.
This is my opinion, FWIW, as an American. I don't really care what Israelis think about the matter, I just care that Israel and Israel Firster Jews and Evangelicals have had too much power for too long and it has to be pushed back. And soon.
Well said.
You may be an American, but America no longer exists (assuming it ever did). The leaders and advocates for the USSA are just about equally corrupt as the leaders and advocates for Israel. So in a way, they belong together (to the detriment of every decent human being on the planet, of course).
Phallic
Well ok, but how? I mean when you say, "cut off aid to both Israel and Palestine,..."
I mean, you realize that we, as "Americans," are absolutely and totally powerless, right? I mean I'm asking: what do you want to do about it? Write a strongly-worded letter to your congressman?
What all of these recent developments really says about the true status of the planetary civilization is that we are now a minute to midnight. No, we are closer to midnight than that, perhaps only seconds away from the ending of the expansive 6000 year era known as the Age of Quarrel. Fortunately or unfortunately, most do not even have a clue, since Maya always intensifies toward the end of every Kali Yuga. It has to be this way. Otherwise, very few would ever get out of bed in the morning to face the brutal realities. And so it is during the upcoming grand finale of the current age.
For those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, please know that the current pandemic of ignorance and arrogance is quite purposeful. It is induced — by the Universe itself — for the protection of the masses so that their ignorance has become bliss. The bliss that comes with not knowing the grim realities which abound everywhere one looks.[1]
http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=6016
BREAKING CONFIRMED #Ukraine army massively shelling #Donetsk city NOW. Sounds like GRAD or worse rockets. #Russia #UN #cdnpoli
Those who have followed the writings of Paul Craig Roberts since he was assistant secretary of the Treasury and former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal have watched a man transform from commenting on economics and politics to a man terrified that his country is going to war with Russia.
Each succeeding year, Roberts’ warnings about the demise of the American system and the dangers from a banking-cartel takeover become stronger. Today’s column warning about war with Russia is the strongest Roberts has ever written: “The World Is Doomed by Western Insouciance, Don’t Expect to Live Much Longer.” Here are a few sample sentences:
“Washington now has in motion the wheels of war. Once the wheels of war begin to turn, momentum carries them forward. The foolish, indeed utterly stupid, governments and media in Europe seem unaware of Washington’s orchestration of their future or lack thereof, or they are indifferent to it. They are dooming themselves and all of humanity by their insouciance.”
Warns Roberts: “Senate bill 2277 provides for beefing up forces on Russia’s borders and for elevating Ukraine’s status to “ally of the US” so that US troops can assist the war against “terrorists” in Ukraine. http://un.ua/eng/article/522930.html See also: http://www.globalresearch.ca/collapse-of-ukraine-government-prime-minister-yatsenyuk-resigns-amidst-pressures-exerted-by-the-imf/5393168
“NATO commander Breedlove is preparing his plans for stockpiling war material on Russia’s borders so that US/NATO troops can more quickly strike Russia. http://rt.com/news/175292-nato-poland-supply-base/
“Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, is at work preparing American opinion for the upcoming war.
On July 24 Dempsey told the Aspen Security Forum, a high level group where US opinion is formed, that Putin’s aggression in Ukraine is comparable to Stalin’s invasion of Poland in 1939 and that the Russian threat was not limited to Ukraine or Eastern Europe but was global.http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/07/25/gen-dempsey-were-pulling-out-our-cold-war-military-plans-over-ukraine “
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/07/paul-craig-roberts/will-the-us-destroy-the-world/
America unfortunately is toast and has no chance of rejuvenating itself, therefore its only hope is to bring down its competitors to its own messed up level.
I suspect however that at the last moment all sides will come up with a face saving proposition because pushing buttons has too many uncertain outcomes.
Good post. The rhetoric is the key to understanding what's coming. For those that know how to listen.
JR Paul Craig the former republican lackey is covering for the man behind the curtain by implying in every other sentence what "Washington" is planning. Washington is marching along following every order given to them.
Who plans all of this, Obama, Kerry, Diane Frankenstein, Pelosi? Maybe Colin Powell, come on!
"I will succeed where Hitler and Napoleon failed."
---B. H. Barry
But Israel is safe under its Iron Dome. Europe and the US can go to hell.
We KNOW who the REAL PERPS are.
And we will NOT 'go gentle' into our planned demise.
If I was Russia I would tell Khordorovsky that he can come and pick up the $50 billion personally in Russia as transfers for that amount are not allowed under Russian law.
If the judgment is valued in petrodollars, by the time Pootin completes an appeal cycle, he knows the cost of a petrodollar will be next to nothing. So, he'll pay up in valueless currency. The war that is already in Europe is a currency war.
This is off topic but on www.whatreallyhappened.com right now, the semi-nuts Mike Rivero just claimed Obama is planning, somehow, to grant temporary citizenship to 5 million illegals.
This smells like complete horseshit to me - anyone come across anything similar? I swear to God I don't know what to believe anymore. I do believe we're on the cusp of a major war, however... I think Gaza will spread to Lebanon and then Syria, and when it does, Iran my get pulled in.
Thank goodness for Scotch.
I may be way off base with this, but I'm thinking baby-boomers retiring. Estimated 2 worker per retiree by 2020.
Single Malt Scotch
It's not just for breakfast anymore.
There are people with $100-200k collections of Scotch. Which is somewhat difficult to quantify as the booze taxes are pretty high but that must be some stock-pile of future currency.
I switched to Russian vodka but it got on top of me faster than Goldman Sachs. When I get up again I'll switch back to scotch.
If ZH'ers are armchair war gaming on this topic, you can bet your bottom dollar the DOD is too...
jb
And London and Berlin and Moscow.
"There is a war coming in Europe"
That must be a message from a parallel universe.
What sort of war?
All fighting with knifes and axes? What if somebody escalates and uses guns? NO, no guns allowed
Then all fighting with guns and cannons? What if somebody escalates and uses fighter jets? NO, no jets allowed
Then all fighting with jets and carriers and missiles? No, no missiles allowed.
... nuclear maybe ... no. you are not allowed ...
The first one to push the nuclear button is committing suicide and killing his family, and mankind
Do you think those up there are stupid?
There is no war coming. War is only possible in far away undeveloped countries. A war in Europe would be a war in the US within hours.
Besides that - if there was an enemy who is REALLY serious he could use those 150 nuclear bombs already put in place in Europe, the nuclear power plants. Greenpeace has shown 2 years ago that they could land with a motorized parachute on a NPP in France.
The one who really wants to fight Europe needs only to attack those unprotected NPP and Europe becomes a nuclear wasteland.
There will be no war in Europe. It is all just a huge theater performance for all of us.
I fear that too many recall Russia has nukes, but forget that Russia is not alone in that status.
I fear that too many see vulnerabilities only on one side, and they long for the conquest the vulnerabilities present.
I fear that too many forget that one side losing does not mean the other side won.
In short people understand DOMINANCE, but they do not understand reality.
In reality the result of war is mass starvation and brutal death on ALL SIDES.
To those American 'Putin' fans I say,
It is a weak and unworhty person who wishes death and slavery to his neighbors to spare him the responsibility of materially standing up for his own beliefs, and instead seeking a foreign strong man to do it for him.
Bullshit.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
That came from the Muslims.
I suspect your premise is correct. However, the problem is, sometimes "leaders" from several sides play these propaganda games, chess games, mind games... until someone is painted into a corner they cannot escape without a real war.
So yeah, their plan is to "pretend war", not "fight war". But... everyone is starting to paint themselves [and everyone else] into corners. That's a dangerous game.
Egypt's largest river.
1. "Do you think those up there are stupid?"
ROFL! Yes.
2. "War is only possible in far away undeveloped countries."
Really? Wow. Can't stop laughing at this alleged axiom.
The neocons don't want war they want Russia's unconditional surrender but that comes to the same thing. They need to get Europe behind sanctions first. If that is achieved they'll start actively helping Ukraine against the rebels with advisors, satellite info etc. If the rebels are defeated the next step will be to build up forces on the border with Crimea.
Stopping sanctions will slow them down and the rebels holding out as long as possible will slow it down.
The neocon plan cannot work as long as Russia borders China. I don't see that changing any time soon.
Some key neocons meeting with accidents would slow it down, too.
The first one to push the nuclear button is committing suicide and killing his family, and mankind.
Ah, mankind. The rich and powerful killing the poor and weak to become even richer and more powerful.
We wouldn't want to interfere with that, would we.
It will be interesting to see how they get rid of the Catholic Church and form a one world religion.
Everyone have your popcorn and Big Gulp ready for the show.
The cheque is in the mail
our oligarchs plan to survive "under the mountain".
There will be no war! As well as all this speculations are in favor of only one person, Putin himself who wants to continue to stay in power by making others believe that the choice is between him and the war, hence, obviously people would prefer the former.
Typical propaganda and public opinion technique. Nice job ZH!
Putin's buddies in KGB nor in the Army are not insane in comparison to their boss who "completely lost the connection with the reality".
Not a single intelligent person supports Putin nor people at large are insane to risk their lives for a false someone's idiocracy. Once he would make such an announcement, there will be revolution in 5 days across the entire country as people would prefer to die at home rather than God knows where.
You think the police would support the government? They all understand the system inside out and are only awaiting for the D day to run away hence are "making money" rather than doing any actual police job.
But most likely there would be a coup in the first place among Putin's friends, agreed with the West so they remove the boss but keep money and leave the country to live somewhere happily thereafter and german secret services already confirm that:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/10993971/Splits...
Telegraph? great source. lol
How can the US build tanks and aircraft and drones and things without microprocessors manufactured in China?
How can the US compete if all of these resources are diverted to the BRIC nations?
How can the US compete when BRICS move to secure most of the planet's energy resources?
What will happen if all of that US debt gets dumped on the open market?
Unless they're all in it together?!
Follow the Sachs of Gold and Shields of Red.....
"Unless they're all in it together?!"
Have you ever thought about a prequel to Orwell's "1984" where the the leaders of the 3 adversarial powers, created terror to control their populations and then fought phony wars to eventually enslave them?
China, Russia and the US playing mind games on us.
iam starting to see this as true. This is all a theatrical production. The heads of all this are all in the same boat, pulling strings and levers all to a grand tune. We are mere pawns in a game that will not end well ( for us) while the elite hide in bunkers WE paid for. Putin has probably been given a seat at the NWO table when it's all over and done with. Back Channel communication is the real chat while msm and alternative play the game for the masses. It's all over but the crying.
Given the lay of the land of realpolitik, it's hard to imagine any satisfactory conclusion to today's events.
Starting with an unsustainable population and population growth, followed by too rapid a depletion of natural resources, climate change, a byproduct of man's breakneck creation of carbon dioxide -- the unintended consequence of making an honest buck -- terrorism by those who claim to feel the yoke of the West, good revolutionaries overthrowing our adversaries, bad revolutionaries overthrowing our friends. The list goes on.
My own belief is that the there is far less oil in the ground than our government is telling us. On May 21, 2014 they informed us that the 2 trillion barrels of oil shale that were going to make the US an oil exporter by 2020, had been OVERESTIMATED BY 96%.
So it's possible to concoct a scenario that the US today is moving all oil production out of unfriendly hands (countries not drilling fast enough for the US) into the hands of major producers.
And when peak oil AND peak depletion come, the US military will impound all production and ration a share to the important Western allies.
What will it be like then? Read 1984 again.
In reality America has few military options in Russia's backyard unless it has the backing of a full and enthusiastic NATO and that is very unlikely. Europe has reason to be unexcited about a possible long and expensive conflict. While still trying to recover from a recession Europe would face fuel shortages and a massive spike in the price of natural gas.
Currently Russia supplies much of the gas used in Europe, this gives Putin a great deal of leverage. If an actual ground attack were to occur few see the Russians as likely to rollover as other armies have when America approaches. More on this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/putin-holds-all-cards.html
Here we go. Confucious, he say:
WAR NOT DECIDE WHO IS RIGHT. WAR DECIDE WHO IS LEFT
also, man who go to bed with itchy bum wake up with smelly finger...
And nobody is sure if those microprocessors made in China can actually be shut off by China in a pinch either. We certainly saw Russian bombers flying directly over the decks of US warships in the Black Sea 12 times knowing the Aegis system would be paralyzed. In fact if the story is correct, 27 sailors went awol in Romania once the ship got back.
We may be watching a scenario here where the US, China and Russia attempt to destroy each other and Europe sits back and watches, especially London Town and the Vaticn who plan most of this activity anyway.
Good point.
I know a retired AF MSGT who started a business selling chips to the military. Personally, he is an asshole, but he is an honest asshole. Anyway, the Chicoms were removing old chips from circuit boards and washing them in a stream near their factory. They had the machinery to print the part #s on the chips.
The USG bought tons of these chips. The AF guy almost went out of business because he checked all the chips and had to toss most of them out. He finally got a new supplier. But! Many others in this niche realm were just selling them off. The USG finally figured this out. There is no telling what kind of chips they are getting from the Chicoms, IMHO.
MSGT Assholio and I were in the same reserve guard unit after he retired from regular AF. I will have to say he did not want any US flyboys depending on Chicom chips, but it makes you wonder if many of the problems w/US weapons systems are due to Chicom chippery.
'and Europe sits back and watches'
europe is too full of assholes to allow this to happen.
The US does not have the resources it had in 1941 to conduct a war in Europe.
Unless it uses nuke weapons.
I think nukes is in the game plan -psychopaths -madmen
Fuck the Dutch, Fuck the EU>>!
If I'm Mr. Putin, I begin asking China if it would like a nice piece of Eastern Siberia in exchange for a couple hundred thousand soldiers, and some tanks, maybe a new railroad to connect SW Russia to the Far East... Surely China must see the writing on the wall, needs the land/water, and could easily dispatch 200k troops to Russia's west for long term 'exercises'.
I'd also send a few naval vessels to Syria and give them, in the clear light of day, better anti-aircraft missiles as well as some ballistics. I'd park a few subs in the eastern med, on exercises. I'd make it very clear that any airstrikes or missile strikes by the US or Israel on Russian nationals would be treated as an act of war.
The time for playing D is over - and I'm not looking for a war, I'm looking for a way to avoid it. That means speaking in the only language the people running the Washington-London-Tel Aviv axis understand. That means subs near Israel's coast, and it also means daring to put their aircraft carrie there with a dozen or so jets.
A mad dog is frightening. A mad bear is truly terrifying. Meanwhile, Putin can on the other hand make loud noises about demilitarizing the East of Ukraine and having the parties meet under UN Security Council auspices to discuss some kind of limited autonomy, and suggest teaming up with the US and Israel to confront ISIS and'fight terrory' [and yes, ISIS is without any doubt Saudi and CIA backed, and quite possibly has Israeli and Turkish involvement as well - this is for the cameras stuff]
It's not like there's any sign of an Operation Valkyrie within the US or NATO, and as admirable as many on the Israeli Left are, it's clear that country's majority is rapidly going full retard, and the name of the game is not letting it, and its embedded 5th columnists and dual citizens drag us into needless conflict, as seems to be the purpose of many of the zionist right.
Of course, even better than above - Obama or the CIA discover, suddenly, lots of evidence of Israeli spying, and politely direct the media to talk about it at great length.
Obama could pick up the phone when Abe Foxman calls and say, "not on this one Abe. this time, it's all gone too far."
America First. That's really not too much to ask.
You know, I guess it comes down to whether Russia and China can resist the International Termites.
The operable word is 'psychopaths', and not having a conscience makes their mission much easier than simple termites who have to operate within the system of their group, as psychopaths do not, will not... they simple act like a virus and infiltrate, spread and destroy 'until death do us part'. That is what Putin has to keep in mind, and no doubt, he's had some experience with these types already, as oligarchs around the world love to use these predatory machines to test the waters before 'pulling the rug out' on the whole puppet show.... 'bringing down the house'... before Mother Nature does.... anyone notice how quiet the sun is lately? That usually spells 'little Ice Age' at the minimum, but since we live within an interglacial, we are set to return to the norm, ie a regular glacial period, rather soon.... not to mention all the other cosmic crap headed our way soon.... anyone notice that in recent years, our govt has been quite interested in 'dark matter'?... such as dark stars(brown dwarfs), comet clusters and other energetic 'waves' that serve as lines of demarcation between one dimension and the next... .anyone notice all those sinkholes lately as the sun has gone quiet? Add a little lightning to the gaseous releases from said situations and problems start showing up everywhere.... now all the global oligarchs have to do is keep the puppet show going a little longer to serve as a distraction... pull the rug out, create as much chaos as possible for their patrons and then watch the herding process unfold for the grand finale.
Time to watch Ice Station Zebra with Patrick McGoohan.again, it's all coming back now.
Great film. McGoohan great actor.
In those days the political elites were still mostly sane. Sadly, not so today.
They still caused Howard Hughes to go stark raving mad...
IMO, HH went batty after he crashed his airplane, I think filming Hell's Angels.
*****
Anyone else getting the "Maintenance Mode" screen?
not today.
He crashed testing a prototype, well after the "crash" of Hell's Angels. Hollywood surely helped but the so-called "elite" were around him since the day he was born.
McGoohan was great in the 1960's "Secret Agent" series.
We're old.
Secret Agent Man
When I was a kid, I thought they were singing "secret asian man " !!!
Starvation will do it. It appears a giant race now to see if GMO can kill off enough Americans before they riot over the last can of radiated tuna in the seven eleven. There is severe drought and water shortages now, the gulf is still dying off as a result of the BP corexit dumping and the fish are posioned. Fukushim radiation is finishing the pacific ocean also.
None of the above disasters are accidents. All calculated depopulation plans by some evil mother fuckers. Anyone else think the unprecedented timing of all this is just a coincidence ? 9/11 was the start, the end is coming. Fuka was on 3/11. Just a coincidence? Lol. Another 777 on 07/17/2014 (4+2+1=7)?
Watch this. Skip to 11 min mark.
http://youtu.be/b67OGUsQC44
Dublinmick,
You need a blog dude.
I have one, I just consider it bad taste to link it much here. I just enjoy the ability to comment.
https://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/hitler-was-a-rothschild-and...
heavy duty blog, dude. lot of rainy day reading :)
If Fukushima is any indication, a little nuclear tit-for-tat is just shorthand for "dialogue".
War has come to Gaza.
One amusing thing about the current Kerry bashing is summarised in this caption :
"It's simply not the way partners and allies treat each other," State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.Her comments were echoed by the White House, where officials said they were disappointed by Israeli reports that cast Kerry's efforts to negotiate a cease-fire as more favorable to Hamas.
Somebody should remind Potus about this remark in relation to his "yes we scam and spy" justification of tapping Mutti's and everybody else's emails and phones via the NSA.
"Not the way you treat your allies...Mr Potus !"
Funny how the shoe doesn't fit the other way round!