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G7 Condemns Acts In Ukraine, Threatens To "Intensify The Costs" On Russia
As had been rumored all day, The G7 just issued yet another statement on Ukraine showing its wholehearted support for sanctions:
- *G-7 LEADERS ISSUE STATEMENT CONDEMNING RUSSIAN ACTS IN UKRAINE
- *G-7 LEADERS SAY READY TO 'INTENSIFY THE COSTS' ON RUSSIA
The statement, released by The White House, also demands "transparent" access to the MH17 crash site. As this was released, the EU announced its sanctions list (8 people, 3 entities).
As Bloomberg reports, The G7 Statement noted,
“We once again condemn Russia’s
illegal annexation of Crimea, and actions to de-stabilize eastern Ukraine,” G-7 leaders say in statement released by White House.
“Those actions are unacceptable and violate international law”
Demand “prompt, full, unimpeded and transparent” intl investigation into downing of Malaysian Airline plane
“We remain convinced that there must be a political solution to the current conflict,” yet ready to add more sanctions if Russia doesn’t change course
Then Europe released its sanctions list:
- *EU ADDS EIGHT PEOPLE, THREE ENTITIES TO UKRAINE SANCTIONS LIST
- *EU NAMES RUSSIAN OLIGARCH ARKADY ROTENBERG TO SANCTIONS LIST
- *EU ADDS RUSSIA'S YURIY KOVALCHUK, ALEXEY GROMOV TO BLACKLIST
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Who cares?
Yell'n just told us everything is good in the world.
Should say: G7 Condemns Acts by BRICS to bypass Western Currency System, Threatens to "Intensify the Costs" On Russia
They threaten US with "tangible losses" and the best US can come back with is "intensify the costs?" What a bunch of pussies...
Never did like Rottenburger
As a product of American Affirmative Action prepares to face off against a product of the KGB over the Petrol Dollar and American hegemony, young Russian soldiers prepare to load a T-72 tank at the Ostryakovo railway station near Simferopol, Crimea, and a Latino-American public transportation driver prepares to load a young quarter-ton African-American Social Security disability insurance patient in front of a medical office building in Houston, Texas.
I like the use of big words like; "hegemony"
I got as far as 'Russia's illegal annexation of Crimea'.
Blah, blah, blah, (insert BS here), blah, blah, blah.
This is freaking maddening.
I am not Russian, or Ukrainian and my ancestry come from the west of Europe and the middle of the US.
The government(s) that need to be condemned are the ones that sponsored the coup/protests in Kiev and that continue to sponsor the Nazis that took over the government there and are conducting ethnic cleansing in Donetsk.
http://imgur.com/PqNQRWw
Yeah verily, I realize you never interfere when yer enemies are making mistakes, but sooner or later, the EU is gonna get their clock(s) cleaned. Winter is only a few months away...
Exactly. What are these people smoking? Who do they think installed the neo-Nazist junta, forcing the landslide referendum in Crimea? RUSSIA INSTIGATED NOTHING; YOU DID!
They think Russia had anything to do with MH17? WHERE IS THE MOTIVE? The Netherlands is spearheading the investigation; are Dutch investigators not good enough? Too hard FOR THOSE WHO HAVE A MOTIVE to tamper with evidence in the debris when they keep getting in the way?
You "condemn the deaths of innocent civilians?" YOU SAY YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT INNOCENT CIVILIANS? WHEN DID 'WE' BECOME SO SELECTIVE?
That term "Territorial Integrity" wins the 2014 Glib Award. You're a fine bunch to talk about INTEGRITY. If a region votes to secede, IT'S THEIR BUSINESS.
I'm so disgusted with Canada's Prime Minister Harper. He used to show INTEGRITY, but lately seems as dickless as the rest. Bow down a little lower, poodle. Goood boy! Here's your biscuit.
All the while financing ISIS and Israel's offensives. Strewth!
Who stole Ukraine's gold and national treasure?
Any one keep track of the use of the term "so called" in there? Wow.
The so-called leaders of the G7 better watch their ass.
Demand “prompt, full, unimpeded and transparent” intl investigation into downing of Malaysian Airline plane
So in the interests of full unimpeded and transparent disclosure... where exactly are those Ukrainian Air Traffic Control recordings that the SBU seized immediately after the downing? Been what 2 weeks now?
They would have gone a long way to both removing any suspicions of the Kiev Nazis intentionally steering MH17 into a known war zone and/or allay fears that they shot the aircraft down themselves
And how are those Cockpit Voice Recorder recordings going these days... any luck downloading/editing that stuff yet?
that's the 'So Called' Ukrainian Air Traffic Control recordings to you pal...
seems kinds like a clique in high school...if Jamie is still talking to Muffy then I'm not going to Suzie's party tomorrow and my other friends won't either...
it is just strange that things have gotten personal rather than the usual ...I don't know...what did they used to call it before Kerry...oh..'diplomatic'...that was the word.
I'd sure love to see the 'confident' evidence the State Dept claims to have that they aren't at liberty to release, I'm sure that would up the transparency no?
What kind of investigator withholds key evidence? THE CORRUPT KIND. If they aren't releasing something, it's because they're hiding something. People are dead, and all they care about is covering their asses. DAMN THEM TO HELL.
Maybe this trumps any Fed Statement action on Gold?
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Would be much more legitimate and could start ww3over it. i believe that if they got honest with the american people and told us how fucked we really are and the petro dollar is gone. Might support a war!
These sanctions are serious business.
If Putin invades Ukraine, he will find his daugher barred from Chuck E Cheese locations throughout the midwest. This will break him utterly and teach him and those like him not to mess with the forces of light.
Some woild and crazy Lois lerner emails. She's so biased her cunt tilts hard left
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http://waysandmeans.house.gov/uploadedfiles/lerner_email_a.pdf
ZH puts this news out at 2:20
Steve LIESman just mentioned it on CNBS 10 min later.
I swear the clown cheerleaders of CNBS use ZH as their primary source of news-worthy material.
They can't do it on their own.
It's critical thinking skills they have a hard time wrapping their head around.
Well the west has the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder, pics of wreckage, bodies, missle launch photo's from their sat and some spanish ATC at Gitmo. WTF else do they need, dirt samples. THey are using the excuse of the wreckage landing sites as a means of maximum propaganda time to wring out all they can.
Yup.. the crash site was save and secured until the Ukraine army started to attack.
It's gone full retard at this point.
Possible MH17 scenarios:
1) Russia supplies BUK to the rebels. Rebels shot down MH17 thinking it was military.
2) Ukrainian forces diverted MH17 to use it as cover for a bombing run and it was shot down on accident
3) Ukranian forces shot down MH17 on purpose as a false flag
The US is pushing #1, but fails to supply even the most basic evidence to support it. Lots of conflicting reports as to details and diversionary tactics are being used to avoid going into detail. There's a full-on propaganda war with the emphasis being placed on poisoning the jury pool and attempting to flat out discredit any other narrative.
#3, is conspiracy theory level shit. It's a tall order which requires some extraordinary evidence to back it up. It also requires a thought process of "let's do something horrible on purpose". Or at the very least some major cover-up. Not impossible, but not likely
#2 is actually rather likely, however if Kiev was caught doing this, this makes them the bad guys. It would essentially be hijacking a civilian aircraft to use as a military asset in a war zone for a military operation. Regardless of how it was shot down, it becomes the liability of Kiev.
I put my money on #2 at this point because it makes sense. Russia has nothing to lose in this truth coming out, however if they make a claim, it will be derided regardless of evidence. Kiev is sitting on the ATC recordings, which have not been released, the US is sitting on satellite data... also not being released. The only logical reason is because it flies in the face of the US narrative. The US has gone full retard on this, they are now fully vested in the narrative and if they fail at controlling the story, it is INCREDIBLY damaging. Russia comes out looking great (again) and the US is shown as the infantile aggressor (again). Yes, Russia has been supporting the rebels, but cannot admit it, and if #2 is the actual case, then neither side can blink first. This could all be solved in short order, but it's political now.
The sanctions are laughable. The US tosses around some random crap, Russia responds with very pointed counter moves that directly and seriously hurt. Russia controls the gas lines, turn it off and poof goes the economy. The US would probably LOVE to destabilize the EU and potentially create a market willing to pay even more for LNG, and the EU originally thought they could claim the Ukraine from this debacle. It was a great plan I guess. Cut Russian gas exports, add another EU/NATO member (in direct violation of agreements with Russia), steal the Crimean naval base stripping away a major strategic asset. Syria turned into a giant fucking mess and just when it looked like the US finally found an excuse, Putin stole it away.
This is nothing new for the US when involved with Russia. Time and time again, the US has flat out lied about shit, sold it to the idiotic public as truth, and further use it as an excuse to advance agendas. If you can win the propaganda war, you have discredited your enemy, your own public is more keen to believe your own little story and you use your puppet governments to lend "credibility" by parroting it. Who blinks first? That's the only real question remaining. Russia/USSR has blinked many times to avoid war, not so sure they are willing to take the hit this time though.
That missile that they claim was fired from a rebel position should have been seen by hundreds of people within kilometers of its launch site yet I'm still waiting to hear from any of these possible witnesses. Where are they?! It would be very difficult to miss this to anyone within many kilometers... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSXMhaFntrU
#2 does seem more and more likely, but as you said it would raise questions about the Poroshenko administration and the competence of the military there.
why the Ukrainian air traffic controllers re-routed that jet 300 miles over a war zone isn't getting enough play in the press but I think we all know why. It's amazing to me how the mainstream media continually gloss over basic questions.
As for Crimea - EVERYONE I talk to are happy there and it's very peaceful. Met a girl on the street the other day here who said prices are lower than here and it's overall a better climate. I've heard that from a ton of people. Of course it's 75+% ethnic Russian and was part of Russia for almost 300 years before given to "Ukraine" on a whim by the Soviets so I wonder why!
Like I said, #2 seems to be the most likely at this moment because if there was 100% proof that blame was open to interpretation, evidence would be pouring forth. Russia can't reveal everything without exposing itself too much on this, and even if it did admit to #2, it would be spun as propaganda and evidence of them hiding something bigger. The US sure as shit isn't willing to admit that the fuckup was due to Kiev, cus that destroys their little sanction plan, places kiev on the stand for some crazy war crimes too (diverting an international flight full of NATO country citizens over an active war zone to provide cover for a bombing raid.. kinda serious shit). And the ukraine, being as retarded as ever, opened their big fat mouths right off the bat creating this standoff situation. If #2 is accurate, then the kiev government is illegitimate basically, and Russia has a free hand. It's also in russian interests to see how much deeper the us/ukraine is willing to dig the hole before Putin shits in it.
Arbitrary & Capricious Actions by G7.
G7 Condemns Acts In Ukraine, Threatens To "Intensify The Costs" On Russia.
These are Politicians or Technocrat Appointees. It is not like all people of G7 Countries are being Blackmailed to Support these Politicians. Who cares what these "Tools" think, except that Law has broken Down. There is no Jurisdiction according to Paul Craig Roberts. This makes as much Sense as:
1) TARP Bailout to the people responsible
2) TARP Fees Paid to banks AND letting the banks manage their own Bailout Plan
3) Not Reinstating Glass-Steagal, Not Investigating Fraud, and not Fully Funding FDIC Insurance after the 2008 Crisis
4) Bail-Ins in Cyprus
5) 5 Years of ZIRP & Europe going in to NIRP.
Arbitrary punishment for known associates? In what Law or Philosophy does this ever appear prior to 21st Century?
Neofudalism OR NeoFascism perhaps.
How does Canada have a say in this? They not even a country
Yes probably a typo... should have read Liberia.
Banana belt, rather, aye?
Canada: rejoins the US as its 51st State, after PM Trudeau leaves office.
Irony... although its people are independent-minded, its Government is NOT. Invest accordingly.
Canada will never be taken over by the US,
If the US couldn't beat Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan it would have no chance in Canad
Never say never.
In mid-March (equivalent of U.S. Spring Break), the U.S. will set a clever trap in Florida pronouncing "Free Beer, Donuts, Hockey Pucks and Sunshine to any Canadian!"
People will flock across the Northern border (legally and with passports, though) looking to get their share of the freebies.
Simultaneously, the U.S. Army will roll in right behind the travelers and take over the Great White North without a single shot fired !
Canadians are as dumb as everybody else, but they do have a terribly annyoing tendency of seeing themselves "better" than the rest of the world. Listen to a bunch of Canadians chatting among themselves, and their stereotypes would be more than enough to trigger a serious tooth ache...
Canada doesn't have a say, really. Their PM is a neo-con who will support whatever the American neo-cons support. They've long stopped having an independant voice on the world stage.
Canada is like a 50-lb nerd who happened to grow up next door to the toughest, meanest, bully in the school. Due to knowing the puke since they were in diapers, the bully has a bit of a soft spot for the nerd. So the 50-lb nerd (Canada) is allowed to follow the bully (America) around the school, jeering at the bully's enemies from behind the bully's back. Everyone wants to pound the nerd's face in, but they are afraid of the bully.
You could replace the word "Canada" with "Australia" without much of a problem in those comments imho. Our politicians are the very best at sucking up to whatever ZOGUSA wants these days.
Canada's prime minister has been barking at Putin like a dog under a sofa for some time now.
When the Russians started flying jets towards the Canadian north to test Canadian military readiness, he expressed genuine surprise and anger that he had to now give the airforce more money to head them off.
True story
Go for it...Vlad will trump your arse!
How bout that US Steel
https://www.tradingview.com/x/sIQdf1L4/
Reminds me of Hyman Roth: "Michael, we're bigger than US Steel."
"Here we are, protected, free to make our profits... in partnership with a friendly government"
The financial markets were unaffected by the news of the Prince.
I'm gonna laugh my ass of when Putin retailiates and blows all their "sanctions" to hell lol.
Russia's reply to G7 email:
FUCK YOU!!!!!
Russia's response to Germay's Fin Min: "LMAA" <-- German expression
Russia's response to Canada's Fin Min: "Take off, eh! You hoser."
Russia's response to UK's Fin Min: "Rouble me this, sod!"
Russia's response to US Fin Min: "Because Obama"
All this pomposity from the non russian side reminds me of when the UK was trying its best to pull Napolean into a war he clearly did not want. Might turn out better for Putin but he will need some help.
Know your enemy
AD
Costs
Costs!
COSTS!
COSTASES!!!
Bob and his family?
These a-holes are going to freeze come October. They're trying to play hardball with Putin and he's going to shove a hot poker up their asses.
They will be begging for that hot poker come winter.
Beat me... a -40 degrees C cold poker up their @$$e$
Europe has plenty of gas to make it through the winter. If Putin were going to cut off gas, it needed to be done 3 months ago to keep them from filling their storage caverns. This was a huge strategic error on Putin's part.
Russia has $472 billion in reserves, and parts, not all of Europe have reserves for the winter. Additionally gas and oil aren't just used to heat homes, they also fire industry.
HEARD ON THE STREET: Playing the Long Game in Russia - WSJ
That may be true, and may be not. Putin is and has been playin nice so far, with no unwarrented/open agression. He knows, if push comes to shove, there are many winters to come, and Europe, even in 1.5 years time, will still be dependent quite a bit on russian NG...
1) Gas is consumed 365 days a year
2) Oil is more important that Gas
3) Short of expropriating BP assets in Russia, Russia could issue retaliatory sanctions against BP, preventing BP from extracting and transporting Russian oil. - which a) constrains supply b) drives up the price c) fucks the FTSE d) keeps resources in the ground for later sale and e) can be lifted in short order if the EU gets its head out its ass. (They can also the same thing to Total-unlikely unless they rethink the Mistrals, or Shell, etc.)
The goal is not economic M.A.D., but rather to make the Europeans come to their senses.
Russia hasn't started anything yet. When retaliation comes however, it won't be wrapped around in the same colourful language of condemnation and moral outrage as G7s. Will be rather effective nevertheless.
I agree, but still I wonder: if Russia turns off the gas spigot, where will they sell the surplus inventory they would ordinarily sell to Europe?
why not create the wolds largest greenhouse project, grow food for the local population and export. That energy has a lot of uses like radiant heaters on Moscow streets for winter... great for tourists.
This pisses me off, it's like spilling your hot soup all over yourself and blaming the waiter. In this case, the waiter is the owner as well as whats coming for the entree will have a suprise of two.
Same thing as a US government shutdown. If Russia turns off the tap there will be lots of bluster for a few days followed by a cave-in by the EU. The supply may or not be as much an issue as the price - which the big banks will drive up to exhorbitant levels during the shutdown.
Will still have the gas...
will likely be worth more later...
better than more stealing into Ukraine Mafiya pockets...
Russia subsidized Ukraine over $220 B since Soviet collapse according to studies.
Will still have the gas...
will likely be worth more later...
better than more stealing into Ukraine Mafiya pockets...
Russia subsidized Ukraine over $220 B since Soviet collapse according to studies.
>>>...if Russia turns off the gas spigot, where will they sell the surplus inventory they would ordinarily sell to Europe?
They'll just pipe it into Novorussia, and have them flare it off.
Actually, to unmix your metaphor, that would be a 'cold poker that would be going noto the collective asses'; not a 'hot one' as when there in no gas in October, there is not heat.
Just as well Russians don't become stubborn when pushed around,
otherwise this could get nasty .
Anyone else noticing how panic is oozing from the G7. They are irrelevant, and know it.
Now , when does the G20 meet next ?
Or as I call it, the G13 .
Russians are stubborn enough...then to be ready.....
"The Russians are slow to saddle up, but ride fast." Otto von Bismarch
Germany needs to break with the Bolsheviks and join the ABF, the Anti-Bolshevik Federation. They've got more to gain than lose in this manner.
Judge orders Bank of America to pay $1.27 billion in ‘hustle’ case - The Wall Street Journal - MarketWatch
Hell that's nothing. You should hear what they are doing to the United States of America
This is a clear warning of a soon to be launched war against Russia. Reading the strident text reveals this as an open threat of war. They even make claims on Crimea, backing Kiev's calls for a war to conquer Crimea.
I urge thinking people to begin to think out how your finances, job and security will be effected by a European war, unlikely to be nuclear, but something that can blow up America's ponzie scheme and dollar hegemony. If war looks to be going bad for Russia, China will not sit and allow it's only reliable energy and resource and military equipment supplier go under. In the face of that, given the US economic fiscal disaster we have pappered over, look to how you will get by when the Obama nut house attacks Russia. They will first land troops in Ukraine and aid Kiev's war, they will force Russia to watch NATO take it all or be forced to join fulling in the conflict.
Be warned, your Washington DC whore house has gone off the rails. They are totally insane at this point.
Putin knows the Bolsheviks quite well as he has had to rout quite a few of them, even reaching out to take down a few in London.
I am more afraid than ever that he knows what the New Bolsheviks have to offer and may make a first-strike, or a series of first-strikes to take off the head of the beast.
Be prepared. Crazier times we've never seen.
All for sake of some crazies who call themselves the chosen.
You know Putin is getting exactly that advice, from some of the Russian military right now.
Jack, I've already been thinking along those lines for a while now. I saw this coming a couple
of years ago, and sold my realty in europe last year. Now I have cash sitting over there, which
I'm starting to draw down, but where or what to do with its become a real issue.
I had enough PMs, before my unfortunate accident. War will be a great excuse for
confiscation of any asset,always has been. This might be another motivation behind this rush to war.
And yes, this is a declaration of war , but most will not see it,but just like FDR cutting off oil,steel
and rubber from Japan, it is meant to goad the bear into action.
Private Equity (physical shares, not funds) in companies with significant tangible assets in non-aligned developing or un-developed markets. If it's a start-up you can even get 10-year tax holidays and other perks without the usual headaches.
Putin has a deck of cards with the faces of the multi-headed snake, and there isn't a safe place to hide for the ground dwellers.
Bet that will diffuse aggression when moar dissappear or are suicided.
There will be no non aligned countries by the time this is over. Everyone will be forced
to take a side.You are for us, or against us, will be the mantra.
Money placed anywhere will be taken, unless you are lucky enough to be a multi
national like myself. Even then I'm sure even that will not protect me , as countries,
quite properly, will be more concerned with their own residents survival, before OPM.
If you are declaring for tax breaks, why not paint a big bullseye on your ass instead.
You are merely aiding your own robbery.
A conundrum.
By the time it's over, one (or more) of the two sides will be liquidated for damages (if not physically liquidated), so you park it under some relative rock make buddy buddy with the local grand poobah, and let your money work for you (by transforming it into something productive), unless you want to go back to working for your money when they roll out money's next iteration and decide that only themselves are made whole in the transition.
The last time the ruble collapsed what did the Russians stereotypically do to protect their capital- stock up on durable goods (Vodka and TVs). Same shit but in a slightly lower risk jurisdiction with regards to expropriation, and less interest by the home taxing authorities if gross income is piled into inventory and capital investment, thereby eliminating net income even with full disclosure to the IRS.
Great comments, guys. Indeed this is a declaration of war, and as we've seen for the past year, they are not backing down at all.
Anyone think the fallout with Israel may be a bit scripted. Israel gets to keep waging a civil war against itself until going into Iran, while the USA appears to be condemning it. Iran would provide a convenient moment to get into Ukraine.
Crazy, certainly, but this situation couldn't get much crazier.
This can all end with Germany! AND it's about time for world history where Germany played the 'Joker' in the fun game of WW3 poker stakes.
If Germany does decide to call this for what it is, 'a complete stitch up' I think it's game over for the resident psychopaths.
If you read that document it is hard to keep your food down.
# Poroshenko's peace plan!!!!! (Ballistic missiles or indescriminate Grad Rocket launchers)
# The G7 remains convinced that peaceful talks are the only way to resolve this conflict!!! Since fuckin when? Since your boy Poroshenko's army has had his arse kicked in every battle he has attempted!even to the point of firing ballistic fuckin missiles at his own people!!??
These pricks live in bizarro world.
Putin's choices are basic imo. He either holds or he makes a decisive and aggressive move. I think his most aggressive move would be calling a "No fly zone over eastern Ukraine" monitored and policed by Russia for humanitarian reasons. The same move the US did in Libya but, he may continue to appear passive and do nothing.
The most economic aggressive move would be to shut down the gas but, I think that is suuicide in many ways, I don't think he'll do that.
Have you seen what they're doing in Gazaa? They're bulldozing houses. That is - Israeli tractors are flattening the land to get it prepped for construction as soon as the dust settles. This is a blatant land grab. No fuss about it in the media. Guess they'll pretend Israel was always that big.
But Russia has resources
Japan did not
Russia main is physical self defense..not worry about trade.
Russia has resources and can build enough within.
President and supporters need to overrule those worry about their wallets...
and kick all the NGO's and such for good...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COeqGuT2Jgo&list=UUdnB82ob_V7EXwwcCtB1vU...
Before the official declaration of war, Germany's been advancing across Europe as early as 1937, setting up occupation in "friendly" neighborhoods. The war in Ukraine, likewise, is happening already. Official declaration may be as delayed as that of a depression or a recession here in the US.
Ukraine has expressed its desire to retake Crimea by force and that will be the offical start of war, methinks and not the events happening East. Just as in the East it'll likely start with blind shelling of the annexed land. The media will turn a blind eye, but as soon as Russia retaliates all attention will be focused right on the conflict. Then sides will begin to line up, as they did in last wars. WW3.0.
I'm hoping China joins Russia. The thing is, they'd love to take advantage of the situation as much as any other guy. They want Russian land and if Russia shifts its military left of the map, they migh consider it an openning. Nobody knows exactly what China wants, but it's safe to assume that in general terms they want "everything". The most densly populated country right next to the least populated? No shit they want that land!
If Russia is weakened in any way, they'll be the first to rush in across the shared border.
Regardless of where the lines in the sand are drawn, WW3 part 3 will be between the survivors over who gets the most of Russia. Again, just as in WW2, where there were pre-war economic alliances (Germany and the US being on the same side), then mid war alliances - Italy, Germany, Japan vs. everyone else. And then there was an opportunistic alliance #3 when the war was close to completion, with everyone rushing in to occupy as much of war devastated land as possible.
Manhattan project designed to develop the bomb for Berlin was 3 months behind schedule, so in order to put $2bln spent (in 1940's dollars) to good use after Russkies beat us to the target, we picked one last country still unoccupied by rivals - Japan. Took over that land and set up occupation. We're still there today.
Germany got split in 2 right down the middle. Took decades to reunite the East with the West. Russia kept on moving across Asia for as long as 2 weeks after Nagassaki. If we took longer to nuke the Japs, Russia would've absorbed everything East of China.
"The war ain't over until US says so" worked for everyone who was busy drawing new lines in the sand. War is always a 3-part play. Pre-war, through-war and after-war.
Ukraine is in pre-war right now. Minor land re-distribution and a lot of posturing. Second phase will involve a lot of land redistribution. Open the flood gates. Then after the dust settles (which may be as far as 10-20 years from now), we're looking at either one large continent of "EuRussia". Or Atlantic Union vs. Eastasia with the border running through Ural mountains... and a huge smoldering crater South of Canada...
And speaking of Canada. If things don't go as planned, US might just decide: "Screw it" and walk right across into its own next-door Russia. Canada is like a public park in central city - site reserved for future construction. If Russian game doesn't play out, it'll be Canadian Bacon time.
We gonna see how funny our German (not) friends will find it when Vlad will cut gas exports......FREEZE BABY FREEZE
No soup for you, Vladimir!
I'm pleased that Bloomberg, the NYT and our State Department have warned and assured us that Russia represents all things bad. These are really, really bad people in Russia and they need an emergency air drop of democracy. Hopefully these sanctions will allow them to see the light like Iraq, Libya, Syria did and, Iran, eventually will.
I know in my heart that we are doing the right thing and that as Americans we are the exceptional people, second only to Israel of course, who are God's chosen people.
Vladimir Putin on US Sanctions and Ukraine – English Subs (13:10)
Published on Jul 30, 2014
Vladimir Putin on US Sanctions and Ukraine, right after his return from the South America Tour, July 2014
This could be off topic a bit. But this information is JUST in. If you think this war is not already out of control, read this from very reliable sources inside the Rebel leadership, the Russian Federation and troops on the ground in east Ukraine!!
"29.07.2014 in afternoon Ukraine time 4 SS-21 Tochka tactical ballistic missiles were fired by Ukraine Armed Forces. At least two were clearly aimed at Saur Moglia with the idea of the Ukes trapped in The Cauldron having a sudden escape route opened for them. Moments before launch Russian Federation units surged toward the border at The Cauldron area and to the north of The Cauldron.
None of the 4 Tochka missiles reached their targets. I repeat, none of the 4 Tochka missiles reached their targets and none impacted with the ground anywhere that can be found in anything close to one piece. As you know this missile can carry a tactical nuke, chem/bio, cluster munition or HE in the weight of just under 500 kilos.
When the 4 missiles failed to reach their targets the Armed Forces of RF immediately halted their surge and held position. They are in the same positions 30.07.2014.
There has been a noticeable slow down of fighting activity since the launches and Strelkov has pointedly said again that Novorossiya is open to negotiations.
The 4 Tochka missiles were shot down over Novorossiya territory occupied by Ukraine Armed Forces before the missiles reached their programmed height. They were shot down from inside RF according to normally reliable sources. No visual evidence has been provided of RF shooting down the Tochka systems nor of the system used to shoot down the Tochka missiles."
Serious stuff, very serious!!
This could be a serious distraction from the NFL this Fall.
I was going to post something about some dude drafted in the 7th round, and thought better of it.
Is NFL a negro worshipping sect?
Bad moon rising.
If Russia shot down those SS-21 that is a really big dot. The pace of the game is getting more intense.
Time to stock up on more booze and cigars to tide me over Armageddon.
So, I should be buying more rubles...
Thanks for the head's up G7.
We should be buying more PMs, food, water, and self defense gear...Yeah let's give a hearty thanks to the G7. Without them we might have peace and be investing in things that make the world progress.
I guess we're going to war with Russia, the Crimea annexation being the "pretext."
Dear IRS,
Because of 18 U.S. Code § 2339, prohibitions against the financing of terrorism, I am unable to send you a check.
I would not like to be arrested for financially supporting a terrorist organization as your Israeli controlled DC US surely is.
Sincerely,
One of your victims.
I plan to attend Stephen Harper's trial at the International Criminal Court.
I wonder how the assholes in Calgary Southwest feel about electing a zionist stooge?
You promise people a tax cut and buy a few votes (preferably straight from Diebold), its as simple as that.
The Calgary assholes would fexel bad if they new what 'zionist' and 'stooges' mean.
I suspect John Baird's boys must be genetically modified superfighters. There can be no other reason for his repeated calls for war with Russia...
These fuckers and their hypocrisy make me sick. The western powers are responsible for the undermining of the Ukraine government in the first place. These bastards won't be happy until they have half the planet's population vaporized.
Putin needs to launch a new gold coin announcing the Anti-Bolshevik Federation.
They would sell out instantly and serve to awaken the global consciousnesss to the history of the original bolsheviks and that of their descendants the new bolsheviks.
Not to mention the fact that Putin is himself a royal descendant of this guy ... and is in fact related to all the royal families of Europe. Don't let the photo of his proletariat father on his Wikipedia page fool you. The man in that photo can't possible by the biological father of Putin based on his looks. Vladimir Putin looks much more like this Russian Saint-Prince:
http://www.turizm.tver.ru/en/about/people
MIKHAIL YAROSLAVICH TVERSKOY
Saint Right-Believing Prince, 1271–1318
Mikhail Yaroslavich Tverskoy, a talented war chief, far-sighted politician and patriot of his Motherland, played one of the key roles in the history of formation of the Russian statehood without exaggeration.
Mikhail Yaroslavich (1271—1318) was a Great Prince of all Russia, Prince of Tver (1282 or 1286– 1318), between 1305 and 1318 he was great prince of Vladimir. He permanently struggled against Novgorod and Prince of Moscow Yury Danilovich.
Mikhail Yaroslavich Tverskoy was the first to start uniting of Russian lands, was the first to receive the title of the Great Prince of all Russia, was the first to defeat Tatar cavalry that had not known defeats before in an open battle.
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And from his official Wiki page and it doesn't matter if it's true or not. He wants you to BELIEVE that it's true:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin
Some researchers speculate that Putin´s ancestry might be linked to Putyanin clan, "one of the oldest clans in the Russian history" with links to all the royal families of Europe.
The flash point will be a Putin assassination attempt (or worse), perhaps orchestrated by old Soviet nostalgics or any one of a dozen other entities who would profit enormously with massive shorting or other opportunities to grab power or wealth. I do not put anything past Obama or his field operatives. Is their anyone left naive enough to think he does NOT operate from a gangster's mind-set besides the myopic Paul Krugman. Watch out world. We are playing with fire on this one.
I imagine the Russians/Putin have a dead man switch of sorts if Putin is killed.
The Russians know what's up. They've dealt for centuries with the same people who have hijacked US foreign policy. I think they are disinclined to see either a repeat of the foreign-communist Bolshevik terror or the horrors of Stalingrad.
They will play offense before they have to play committed, back against the wall D, and that means subs off London, Washington, and Tel Aviv.
I wonder how nuke proof this Site 911 in Israel is.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-to-build-mysterious-...
Think they named it that as a kind of middle finger to the people who know Israel and its sayanim ran the big wedding?
- You bet they did.
There are several doubles.
That attempt has already taken place in Ajerbaijan by some Iranian Terrorist who's attempt was thwarted but, yea another is very possible. Probably by a US Cruise missile flown into Vlad's Dacha.
It's important to know why the PTP have such hatred for Putin. It is simply because he cancelled the Oil sharing agreements where Russia was given NO share and the western Corporations had 100% share.
By cancelling those agreements and 'nationalising' them he multiplyed the Russian budget x 80 back in 06
Vladdy-Poot has the trump cards - energy dominance and ability to 'cross the Rubicon' and lead the rest of the world out of the petrodollar.
The Mulatto Messiah and his European Disciples know this - that's why they are trying so hard to trounce Putin personally to take away his ability to play those cards.
They know they can't take Russia on militarily - they'd just start a nuclear war in Europe. So they're trying to strangle Russia financially, economically, geopolitically - but in the process they are only hardening Putin's Russia and ensuring that the boomerang against them is going to be far more potent, as other powers like China side against them.
This is damn damn DAMN interesting to watch - what's unfolding is the end of the dollar-centric world order, to be replaced by one that no longer revolves around the 7th world power, but revolves around the emerging economies (BRICS) instead. This is far, far BIGGER than the collapse of the Soviet Union, and that was monumental!
Hold onto your seats, the ride is going to get really bumpy now!
G7 condemns Russia for refusing to subsidize the fraudulent live style of G7.
What a bunch of obese bullies. This time around the wall street crime syndicate will have to pick up its own shit and rub it slowly into its own collective face. The parasites of Zion are running out of ideas and their greed is way bigger than their capacity of thinking.
Vlad needs to call for UN peacekeepers in Eastern Ukraine, demilitarization of the conflict, and negotiations in, say Switzerland to have the parties hammer out some sort of limited autonomy for the 2 self-declared Republics.
He also could use more vocal support from China and the BRICS as to Kiev's violence against ethnic Russians... the strong likelihood of foreign mercenaries and clandestine services, very much including a few hundred Israelis, it seems, on piece of shit Israeli-Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky
http://www.voltairenet.org/article183839.html
Who also likely had something to do with the Israeli-like ultra-barbaric murder of the pro Russians in Odessa - another holocaust offering to Kolomoisky et al as divine beings on earth.
He needs to expend every diplomatic effort a full court press in the media, get more cameras and recon on the border area...
and if all this fails, if Kiev still shells and lobs missiles, as they will, at Russia proper, on top of slowly ratcheting up the war crimes - deep, in some dark night, Putin should launch airstrikes on every piece of Ukrainian artillery, every missile battery, and every barracks east or south east of Kyiv.
And for the sheer fuck of it, he should hit oligarch owned TV and news-stations. What he can't do is commit ground troops - but he can do "what the Americans and Israelis have done repeatedly" - and he can talk about Russians on the border living in fear of missiles, and how Kiev is using its military against its own people, who are also Russians living in what used to be Russia.
Pretty sure the US/NATO is violating treaties regarding use of the Black Sea, and if so, Turkey might just now be getting in a mood, with Russian backing, to enforce it.
These are the neocons, they only understand force.
It would be splendid if some of them started dying in their sleep and in small plane accidents.
McCain's in my death puhl, and that american sailor-killing, treasonous fuck is way overdue.
I like the UN peacekeeper idea - we usually only see that when the US pushes it - but why can't Russia push it too?
This statement is like repeating what Russia has said numerous times, then acting as if the words are new and inferring Russia never said them.
If the G7 really wants the crash site secure, maybe they should tell their military puppets to stop firing shells over the site.
As for a cease-fire, President Poroshenko already tried that and nobody on the Ukraine side stopped shooting. Indeed, one of his own generals said flatly that he and his troops would not stop shooting. Poroshenko meekly let him get away with gross insubordination. The neo-nazi military in Ukraine has no respect for and does not listen to its own president.
Correction: it was the governor Kolomoisky, not a general but a self-appointed leader of his own militia, who dissed President Poroshenko. Supposedly has ties to the local mafia - even better.
yeah all the Jewish oligarchs have ties to the mafia...they ARE the mafia. They run the country so it's not a suprise that they thumbed their nose at Poroshenko.
I too am wondering why Putin doesn't call for UN troops to intervene but I suspect he realizes they would get outvoted and the US and EU would have their way in that forum.
If the Ukrainian government really cared about finding the truth they would stop all military operations around the are of the crash which is supposedly 'rebel controlled.' But they are not doing that, nor are they releasing the air traffic control tapes, which further makes be believe that they are hiding something.
It’s a proven fact that the US government has been lying about Ukraine; and now it seems the G-7 - - Canada, France, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Japan, and the United States propagandizing in tandem– lies as well.
It is easy to see from where this comes: this is the political outreach of the international banking system which meets a wall when it comes to Putin’s Russia. Putting the lie to these charges is the overt accusation that Russia shot down a civilian passenger jet.
The honest people of the world cannot afford to have governments linking arms to lie and subject all the peoples of the world to their IMF socialist one-world state.
Fake Satellite Images: The Latest US Government Hoax against Russia
By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts
Global Research, July 28, 2014
paulcraigroberts.org
The Russian Ministry of Defense has declared the purported satellite photos placed on Twitter by the US Ambassador in Ukraine as fakes. I could tell that the images were fakes not only from their low resolution and absence of proper designation, but also from the unprofessional way in which the information was released.
Of course, many users of social media would have no experience and could easily fall for the hoax, which was clearly the US government’s intention.
The anti-Russian propaganda campaign being conducted by Washington follows in the footsteps of the campaigns conducted against Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Assad, and Iran. Washington’s campaign of lies against Russia proves the absence of integrity in the US government and is reckless as it can lead to war.
Peter Duveen, who commented on my article exposing the State Department hoax, explained that having foreknowledge of news events that Washington orchestrates allows Washington to control the explanation before any evidence is available. By the time evidence is gathered, the narrative is established and the evidence ignored:
“Part of the US propaganda mill’s effort is into forming the conversation. Once certain narratives take hold, true or untrue, they edge out other narratives. So the effort is to get control of the narrative, to form the conversation with whatever materials, usually false, are available. Then, of course, the false information will be referenced as true, and the direction of the narrative will be fixed. The narrative being lowered into place, for example, is that Russia was somehow responsible for the downing of Flight 17. With the help of the media, the hope is that the narrative will gain momentum. Eventually, if it catches properly, it will be impossible to question, just as people are considered freaks who question the official narrative of 9-11. That is why the narratives are introduced as quickly as possible. Thus, we saw how quickly it was announced that Flight 17 was brought down by a surface to air missile. That would lead me to believe that it was actually not brought down by a surface to air missile. So also with this incredibly amateurish effort regarding Russian shelling of Ukrainian positions. Russian reaction is never obtained in the articles about it, and it is no longer mentioned that Russian territory has been shelled by the Ukrainian military.” …
http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-satellite-images-the-latest-us-government-hoax-against-russia/5393746
Will you be shocked if it turns out the shoot down was done by Kolomoisky, with help of CIA-slash-Mossad?
Funny how the head of the Russian mob is Jewish, too, huh? I mean, considering how you're looking at less than 1% or 2% of the population in Ukraine/Russia. Of course, the comprise most of the billionaires and largest media owners in both countries - a strangely familiar m.o. in several countries over the past century or so.
Anyway, Kolomoisky seems like an enemy not just of Russia, but of all humankind. The Odessa thing seems like something certain people wouldn't be willing to just forget.
He's quite likely a bona fide psychopath.
Maybe Putin will help him get the help he needs.
Kolomoisky....
Semion Mogilevic supposedly wanted by west...
Turchynov. Poroshenko, Yats, Tymonshenko, Lazarenko..and more
all connect....look even WIKI from Mogilevich and start cross reference to learn the "Red" Mafiya
Ukraine has never been a sovereign nation
the harder the americans push on russia, the more the german public will agitate against the occuptation of their country by american troops. 4 to 6 years from now and you will see the outcome.
the berlin wall came down, it took a long time.
in due time the american occupying forces will be popularized by german agitators as the new berlin wall....give it time.
Hostile Elite
[....This terrible event should have marked a watershed in this conflict, causing Russia to suspend its support for illegal armed groups in Ukraine....]
Yeah - too bad it did not work out exactly the way it appear to have been planned huh??
YOU - so-called leaders of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the UK and the US EC President and EC Commission President – YOU obviously have enough time to agree on split-tongued public statements. HOW ABOUT YOU DO YOUR GOD DAMNED TAXPAYER FUNDED JOBS AND FACILITATE RELEASE OF THE EVIDENCE ALREADY OBTAINED – PROMPTLY - AND TAKE IMMEDIATE STEPS TO FACILITATE A FULLY TRANSPARENT PEER REVIEWED INVESTIGATION, SO WE CAN GET SOME REAL ANSWERS!!!.
IF you think that this FILTHY AND SHAMELESS PRETEND-GAME of "just keep saying the same over and over again" while there is still a GLARING LACK OF PRESENTED EVIDENCE will magically make everybody forget about the foul smell of your propaganda ridden treatment of the legacy of hundreds of dead innocent people - you are wrong! YOU ARE SO WRONG!.
SHAME ON YOU!
S H A M E O N Y O U!
Just cannot see Putin pulling the trigger. While the Ukies may 'occupy' eastern Ukraine, it is so close to Russia that it can never be 'conquered'. What Kiev/US will get is a constant civil war just like the ones the US has created across the globe. If Kiev attempts to push harder, it will only invoke an Assad-like comparison. How is this a 'win' for the US?
Why are so many people giving assurances that conventional war in Europe would not go nuclear? Why wouldn't it? Because we are in full control of events and we are all rational?
Putin could also try some stunt like sign a peace and security treaty with the baltics and poland, offer them a cheap deal/discount on gas, reduce troop strength near those borders... etc. Take some missiles out of Kalingrad....
its talk and symbols time- the moment of the velvet glove... see how the neocon-infested state department and ngo structure reacts to up the ante and provoke....
The West is ticked that Kiev's military operations aren't going as planned. Remember when Porky said the offensive would be over in a week?
A lot of the Ukranian soldiers think there are traitors in the Ukranian military who are feeding info the the militias. Their positions come under very accurate fire from rebel positions, sometimes within minutes of the arrival of additional forces. That's one possibility, another is that Russia is providing real-time targeting info to the militias from sattelite data. In any event there's no doubt that Russia is helping the militias.
Another problem for Kiev is the growing rebellion amongst wives and mothers of soldiers who don't want their spouses and kids sent to the front.
The Ignominious Conclusion of the Kiev Junta’s July Offensive, July 30, 2014
Western Ukraine | Protest against Mobilization - Local Deputy Beaten
But the West is nothing if not persistent, now they're stirring up trouble in Transnistria.
If/when things get serious and the Russian Aggression Prevention (RAP) bill, that just had its 2nd reading in the House, paves the way for the US escalating the situation (is raising the bet), then Russia will HAVE to impose its own American Aggression Prevention bill (AAP).
Prepare to hear more in the news on ZH about the RAP bill and its escalating consequences in the near future. If it passes, it could be a red October. -Kirk out.
Maybe that was what the Duma was recalled from holiday to sort out.
The statement says:
"This terribble event should have marked a watershed in this even, causing Russia to suspend its support for illegal, armed groups in Ukraine"
Perhaps what was said here was a revelation of the motive for having the Ukrainians drop the plane.
double post
"They're trying to correct old mistakes with the new ones."
V. Putin about sanctions.
Divide & Conquer: Wimpy Socialism & Bear Capitalism
It’s always pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today, and the duration mismatch only grows until their money is worthless, and everything in their path has been destroyed. Raising productive children, not money and not property, is the only path to the future. Economics is always about demographics, despite any and all efforts by the accounting wizard to prove otherwise.
Russia still has vast resources, of which gas is just a pawn, and it has already learned its lesson on digital fiat, while Canada is destroying its environment just as fast as it can, to feed a petulant global population, in return for digital fiat, and all the ‘empires’ have destroyed economic trust, with Family law, feudalism. Don’t bet against Russia so long as you can avoid doing so.
The problem with employing a bear as a disposable counterweight, a point made at the time, is that you teach the bear. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend. Your own false assumptions are your worst enemies. The biggest story of the upcoming war is the media blackout of the demographic collapse preceding it, until time ran out on stupid.
The demand for equality isn’t about equal pay for equal work; it’s about getting one person to do all the work while everyone else pretends to work, for better pay, and being stupid enough to replace the whole crew with robots, designed by critters pretending to work, the noble occupation of politics. Russia already played that card.
Legacy lives only on account of arbitrarily assigning debt to others, as an asset to itself. The upper middle class only lives on account of arbitrarily assigning debt to others, as income to itself. And the lower middle class stands in line, getting further behind as labor evacuates, until it gets out of line, and stops chasing debt as asset, with debt as income.
Civil marriage, entirely dependent upon doctors, has never worked, but that never stops the fools from taking the shortcut, on a promise that only materializes, fleetingly, for the ponzi brokers. The majority looks only at what it is told to see, mesmerized by an artificial business cycle created for the purpose. The AMAs make the MBAs look like pikers.
That pendulum is connected to an alternator, which is only a dc clock if you redirect half the swing, at increasing cost, which the committee does, ratcheting critters to the point of bankruptcy, with buy to let mortgage proliferation, and recycling the wasting assets, waiting for the next demographic boom. In the meantime, they have war, to protect the competing bankrupt superstitions.
“Rates will rise when they rise.”
With no access to intelligent labor, to mimic and scale, all the empire knows is that virtual space is required to exit its global natural resource depletion ponzi, and so, naturally, occupies it with MAD dc securities and their derivatives, creating global FILO dependence. Theoretically, the problem could be solved tomorrow, but herd behavior, the source of their power, locking them into war, cannot be altered in real time.
Each event horizon has its advantages and disadvantages, its trade-offs. As labor, you get all the empire disadvantages, have to raise the productive children, and are hunted down for your effort, but you are the end and the beginning of each cycle, and you can build a new clock at will. Don’t worry about the superstitious dress; what remains of legacy will suit itself.
On what magic day did you expect the critters not to place an artificial border in your path and fight over the toll booth? If you can’t get two critters to behave like human beings, what makes you think that you can get a committee, or a planet, populated by automatons to behave like human beings?
Going to war, with nothing more than the ability to efficiently automate false assumptions, is a fool’s errand. Dr Frankenstein breeds MBAs, in concentration camps built for the purpose. Don’t go in there expecting anything else. The line, to get in lines, to take a shortcut, can only grow, until it collapses. That is the nature of ponzi specialization, subject to the laws of gravity.
The middle class is always welcome to vote labor off the island, but don’t be surprised when the bear comes down from the north, and nothing remains but mercenaries, paid with inflation, digital fiat, running the other way.
Be funny if Russia imposed "carbon taxes" on the sanction group, taxes so high it would pinch the sanctioner's own carbon taxes.
Why should Russia let the west tax russian carbon exports more than Russia?
I happen to agree with Russia on the subject of sanctions.
I still don't agree that this justifies their intervention in Ukraine. That the US has no business there (other than expressing an opinion) should go without saying.
The sad fact is that many ordinary Russians make no distinction between ruling themselves and ruling others. I am very sorry. I know that irritates people. But it is a fact, and my own Russian relatives are among them.
They see no distinction between their lawmakers making laws about what they must do, and their lawmakers making law about what others in other places must do.
When confronted, they always express a litany of grievances where others have tresspassed.
But the fact that some tresspass cannot be a license for all to tresspass generally. What the US did in Kosovo is not a license for Russia in Ukraine. What Germany did in WWII is not a license for Russians to act similarly.
There's a lot of bluster there about nuclear weapons. Somehow the synapses aren't firing that Russia is not unique in that regard.
AS BLUNTLY AS I CAN: THOSE OF YOU WHO THINK THAT RUSSIA HAS A FREE MARKET SYSTEM IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM ARE DELUSIONAL.
TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL.
BEEN THERE DONE THAT.
A former neighbor of mine wrote a book on that subject "The Train to Potevka". My experiences have been similar.
RUSSIAN GOVERNMENTAL PHILOSOPHY is AUTOCRATIC.
A-U-T-O-C-R-A-T-I-C.
If you think they are operating a capitalist system you may as well drop tabs of LSD while watching reruns of "Rainbow-Brite", because you are already totally out of your gourd.
Russians are great people. But Jeffersonian they are not.
Who gives a shit how it is called. "A-U-T-O-C-R-A-T-I-C" is working just fine. The standards of living for the majority of Russians are constantly improving. It is not yet where it should be but it is going up. The Russian people are mostly self-reliant and very easy to make friends with. I travelled through Russia and intend to move over there very soon.
"you go comrad"
BEEN THERE DONE THAT.
Good Luck to you, but you will find that operating a business as a foreigner in Russia is not really possible except as a loss leader.
One apparatchik or another will simply confiscate your assets, or cancel your facilities lease (without returning your payment for them).
That is reality.
If you can find a Russian front you may do alright for a while. If it threatens any entrenched interest - ergo gets bigger than a village shop - then they will confiscate your assets, cancel your leases.
If you are lucky it will come in the form of bureaucracy and official notices of this, and that, and the other thing. But when you question people about these regulations no one will recognize them. And an advocate will tell you that it is all made up and advise you to start making bribes to a bigger official to get the smaller official off your back (sometimes works, sometimes not).
If you are not lucky, it will come in the form of tattooed goons showing up at your place of business and closing the doors - and possibly you - permanently.
That is how business is done there. The free market - in as much as one exists - is in the small firms whose primary business is greasing one skid or another. Once they begin to be larger than a 'small' business - POOF! The Siloviki eat you.
Jewish crony capitalist/feudalist influences remain. Give Putin 5 more years. Things will be very different.
Same in China. On point 3, they juct come in uniforms of auxillary police/security guards. This apply to Asian foreigners too.
@gcjohns I have read your posts for the last few months and you have always taken the opposite view to myself but have at least, been courtious and explained your position and the reasoning.
However, if you re-read this post above can you? is it possible for you to see the absolute hypocrisy of what you write???
"They see no distinction between their lawmakers making laws about what they must do, and their lawmakers making law about what others in other places must do"
This entire fiasco is now taking place because the US government is doing exactly what you are claiming Russia does. You're very blind my friend and 'there are none so blind than those who choose not to see!'
neocon troll
just keep the nuke powder dry vlad.
Rather use it on USA and show them their real worth , USA deserves it.
An interesting take from the UK Independant paper 30 July.
They say that Germany and Russia were getting on well on a plan to solve the Ukrainian/Crimea problem with a combination of money and gas. Very well thought out very realistic.
It hit the buffers with the downing of MH17 (another so far unreported reason for that event?).
Well worth reading and a very serious attempt to find a way forward acceptable to all, except the US and UK (perhaps).
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/land-for-gas-secret-germa...
Actually my poor working intelligence service, relying completely from the material that is to gather about a subject with an internet-connection tells me the follwoing:
That there was a plane shot down is likely possible but that the plane ghosting in the media was shot down is as much certain as there were planes flying into the world trade center.
So we are free to comment in each direction.
No one ever had the idea to shot down a passenger plane. That's the holding you will never want to leave. Why this should have happened anyway is the concern of all not having led alone in the dark of the unknowing.
If you have come to the conclusion, it's all for to start a new war, you will be impressed about the maneuvers unlashed to prevent just that.
It's a fake pain killer the hope it will not happen. That it must be but we know per instinct of experience living in this world.
When ever a solution could have take place not propagated by the wit to win or to lose.
Shooting down ballistic missiles fired at them from the Ukraine also, what were they thinking?
But I know the neighborhood
And talk is cheap when the story is good
And the tales grow taller on down the line
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcKFtyy1FPM
It should be called the P7 (Puppet states of America). What a bunch of greenback butt lickers and sellouts!
Great , thats the truth.
G7 is an old declining rich club in a G Zero World.
Or the pirates (west) want the chest (Russia) full of oil & gas. Now they probly want to break up Russia and gobble up its oil & gas . & get richer.
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Dunno whether Russia is like Libya or Iraq.
(but as per western classification, Russia is a developing country (read poor) and since poor always get poorer and rich richer naturally so its ok to hit Russia , make it broke and divide it & conquer - how naive)