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Propaganda Full Frontal: A Little High Level Intervention And This Is What Happens

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While one can attribute the most recent AP tweeting faux pas to a missed English grammar lesson, when in the aftermath of the MH-17 crash, this:

... became this:

 

there is no grammatical justification for why two days ago, AP did it again, when a "harshly" worded tweet by the AP:

... became this, just four hours later.

One wonders how high the propaganda flag pole the objecting parties had to run, make that sprint, to get this "revised wording" blasted out, and just how many AP pink slips will appear in next week's not seasonally adjusted initial jobless claims print?

 

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Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:05 | 5027287 p00k1e
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Why stop there...

While Europeans were worshipping Druids and running from trolls living under bridges, Jews stole the Sumerian legends!

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:09 | 5027312 Duffy
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Europeans were building Newgrange and Skara Brae when the ancestors of the Hebrews were fucking goats and not figuring out farming from the more advanced societies all around them.

 

 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:25 | 5027394 Duffy
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Hey, can you point me to all the evidence for David's Kingdom?

Also - most people are as ignorant as you as to mass migrations.  When the Normans took over England and Wales, it was probably around 16,000 people, almost all male.  A drop in the genetic bucket, although it was a massive cultural and social change, and deeply impacted the language, essentially Latinizing Old English.

 

Okay, when the Arabs rode out and conquered what is now Israel/Palestine, it was a relatively small number of men.  The language became dominant, but it was a drop in the ethnic bucket. 

The truth of the matter is, for the most part, the Muslim and Christian Palestinians are substantially more descended from the ancient inhabitants of Israel/Palestine than Ashkenazi Jews.  No one argues that the Mizrahim who were always present don't belong, and there was also a small Sephardi presence going back centuries.  notably, they all more or less got along before Zionism.

None of this is my opinion - its the facts.  The idea that today's Jews "are" the ancient Hebrews, or that Palestinians are "only Arab" is almost as absurd as the claim that you are entitled to land that remote ancestors may have lived on 2000 years ago, after living somewhere else for 2000 years.

Jewish identity is 90% myth.  There is much more evidence of Egyptian dominance in Canaan than Israelite.  There's no evidence of a major, powerful Hebrew or Israelite kingdom, modern day Israel should have been called "Judea" since Israel and its tribes were lost to history centuries ago...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes

Judaism wasn't always monotheistic, and there used to be converts.   It really changed substantially a few times, and modern rabbinical Judaism developed in ancient Persia, not Canaan/Palestine.  Hence the "Babylonian Talmud" - Christ essentially was arguing for adherence to Torah and rejection of the Talmud and the "oral law" which is why he was marked for death.  He never intended to start a new religion, he intended to reject Pharisaism and the particularist, ethnically-oriented notion of who the children of God are  (a universalist ethics - the rabbis promoted a particularist, ethnocentric ethics)

The Israelites most likely emerged from the Canaanite population - the evidence for that is quite strong, while there's no evidence anything like the Exodus ever happened.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/chosen-people.html

Also - the "Jerusalem" that was David's city was absolutely tiny - you'd be giving up most of Jerusalem to the indigenous, non-Ashkenazi, you know.

 

Also, if interested, and I'm not just beating up on you, most people have no idea about this stuff, I recommend a documentary on yourube from like 15 years ago, someone else posted a link recently, called "The Walls Came Tumblin' Down" about biblical archaeology.

 

It's mostly horseshit, with a potentially accurate reference here and there. 

 

 

 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 17:12 | 5029465 Kirk2NCC1701
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A lot has been said, written and marketed as the “Israeli Jews” returning to their ancestral homeland.  With references to Biblical text, the case for a “Superior claim of Entitlement” was made.  The inconvenient problem with this false argument is that only about 5% of these “Jews” (from Europe, Russia and US) are genetically of Biblical ancestry.  The other 95% have such a diverse gene pool, that they can justly be called “European Whites” of “Judaic religion of Euro-Judaic culture”. 

A lot has also been said about the religion and ethnicity of the indigenous Palestinians.  With references to recorded history and ties to Islam, the case has been made for their “Inferior claim of Entitlement”.  The equally inconvenient problem with this false argument, is that only about 5% of these “Palestinians” are genetically of Biblical ancestry.  The other 95% have such a diverse gene pool, that they can justly be called “Regionally Indigenous People” of “Islamic religion of Arabic and Middle-Eastern culture”. 

So, what you have is what in biology is called “An invasive species, crowding out a native species”.  People may tap-dance around this reality with all sorts of deflections, redirections, theater and sideshows that work on the uninformed, the gullible, malleable, dumb and bigoted, but it does not change that reality.

Like many Jews and Israelis, I too agree that it is not the State of Israel that must end, but its Zionist basis.  As Zionism currently exists, it is both fascist and racist. Like others, I too would argue that it must become a modern Democratic State of Israel.

If that were to happen however, the entire business model of mega-bankers and the Western MIC would collapse overnight.  The wealth, power, prestige and lifestyle of hundreds of thousands of people in the financial, military and government sectors would be adversely affected.  As would that of all top and upwardly-mobile politicians.

 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 17:25 | 5029518 Kirk2NCC1701
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p.s. Watch the youtube video by Miko Peled (author of "The General's Son") [1],

and then read the UN Resolution 3013 of 1973 [2]

 

[1] An honest Israeli Jew tells the Real Truth about Israel:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etXAm-OylQQ

[2] http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/28/ares28.htm

http://daccess-ods.un.org/TMP/6325998.30627441.html

Excerpts from Resolution 3013...

----1. The struggle of peoples under colonial and alien domination and racist regimes for the implementation of their right to self-determination and independence is legitimate and in full accordance with the principles of international law. 

----2. Any attempt to suppress the struggle against colonial and alien domination and racist regimes is incompatible with the Charter of the United Nations, the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declarations of Human Rights and the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples and constitutes a threat to international peace and security.

----3. The armed conflicts involving the struggle of peoples against colonial and alien domination and racist regimes are to be regarded as international armed conflicts in the sense of the 1949 Geneva Conventions, and the legal status envisaged to apply to the combatants in the 1949 Geneva Conventions and other international instruments is to apply to the persons engaged in armed struggle against colonial and alien domination and racist regimes.

----5. The use of mercenaries by colonial and racist regimes against national liberation movements struggling for their freedom and independence from the yoke of colonialism and alien domination is considered to be a criminal act and the mercenaries should accordingly be punished as criminals.

Not only does this bring the naked reality of Zio-Israel into clear focus, but #1 plus #5 bring the fascist and colonial intervention of the US in Ukraine, Lybia and Iraq into clear focus. 

"The truth, it burns us!" (an allusion to a line from Gollum in The Lord of The Rings)

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:15 | 5027040 Dr. Richard Head
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And another thing, why doesn't the US MSM play videos of the Israel military double-tapping first responders? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=be5_1406759077 (second video down).  One wonders if the US government learned this tactic of warfare from Israel or vice versa. 

Of course, the question is rhetorical and we all know the answer.  "Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Dr. Ron Paul.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:34 | 5027136 Abitdodgie
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The terror must continue or the empire will fall.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:15 | 5027041 Smegley Wanxalot
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At least Asshole-ciated Press didn't say "members of Congress goosestep to Netanyahu's marching band."

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:15 | 5027045 Sudden Debt
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Nice to see how America kisses Israel's ass and sucks it's dick like a drunk hooker.

 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:20 | 5027066 Dr. Richard Head
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At least people voluntarily pay for drunk hunkers and drunk hookers serve a valuable service to people regardless of CUNTry affiliation.  The US Government, on the other hand, does nothing of the sort. 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:40 | 5027162 Abitdodgie
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If you don't like America supporting Israel then stop paying f@#$%ing taxes and grow some balls , or just keep washing the blood off your hands.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:41 | 5027172 Dr. Richard Head
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The blood is not on my hands, as I have zero control over the actions of this government.  The taxes are not needed to fund any of this shit, as the Treasury just issues imaginary bonds and Fed monitizes it along with the other central bank counterparts.  The taxes are there to impose control over the people and nothing more. 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:16 | 5027659 Abitdodgie
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Now you have justified why you are still paying taxes , please carry on as one person as history shows cannot posiably make a differance.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:24 | 5027094 oudinot
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Take it from me, 'drunk hookers' don't suck that well.

What you want is a sober hooker, well paid up front.....

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:02 | 5027272 Davalicious
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"What you want is a sober hooker, well paid up front...."

Amateur. Pay on delivery (with a white christmas).

 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 14:06 | 5028193 Kirk2NCC1701
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@Sudden Debt: "Nice to see how America kisses Israel's ass and sucks it's dick like a drunk hooker."

Agree.  But I'd like to offer a different Paradigm to mull over, even though Wild West quick-draw responses are inevitable:

At the risk of sounding perhaps like a “Stoic coward”, I need to point out (Kirk's Law) that…

   [1] In the presence of a robust legal system, ownership is 90% of Established Law.

   [2] In the absence of a legal system, ownership is 100% of Jungle Law.

[3] Either way you slice it, if a person or group want to lay claim to a piece of turf as “theirs”, they’d better have both:  (1) The written Deed (duly recorded),  and (2) Plenty of arms with which to defend it.  And, yes, there’s also (3):  Other People’s Arms and Military (“running to friendly School yard bully, Daddy or Protector”), of which we see examples in both Ukraine and Israel.

[4] Else, it’s just “They said vs They said” of anecdotal or written history -- which results in churn, chaos, suffering, violence, blood and death. I suggest that people and Groups plan accordingly, when “acquiring” property formerly occupied by another person of Group and deciding to re-record Deed boundaries and records.

The above is true for all people and lands in conflict areas we read about:  Ukraine, Crimea, Israel/Palestine, Iraq, Syria, Turkey…

Expect and Plan accordingly.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:16 | 5027046 The Proletariat
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This make perfect sense from the state-run AP.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:16 | 5027048 Ms. Erable
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Revisions like this make things much easier for those who will someday write the 'official' history of these times - all of their revisions are completed for them prior to doing the actual writing.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:16 | 5027051 enforcer92677
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It seems that the left is trying to embrace the anti-Israel position as their own.  And ignore the lable of anti-semitism and charges of racism that go with it.  Hey it's hip to bash Israel now!  Everyone jump on the wagon!

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:23 | 5027084 BigJim
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Your post has it all... reference to the 'Left/Right' mirage, conflation of anti-Zionism with anti-Jew, conflation of criticising racists with the racism of the objects of their criticism... good work.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:47 | 5027187 toady
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Plus the typos. Typos make it appear almost human. "See, I'm human, I can make mistakes.".

 

 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:22 | 5027087 IridiumRebel
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Bashing Israel here has always been cool!

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:31 | 5027118 adr
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I've met plenty of nice Israeli. It's the damn coverted ones who seem to own everything in the USA that I'll bash. They don't have a nationality, unless you call the yet unrealized global Zionist empire their nation.

My favorite quote comes from a Lawyer I know, "You've made your money from your business, it's our turn now."

And like that the once profitable business was gone.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:38 | 5027156 IridiumRebel
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I've got many Jewish friends. I hate the "you hate Israel you hate Jews " shit. I hate bullies.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:39 | 5027157 Anarchy 99
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visions of a 'room cloud over israhell........cooler

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:47 | 5027198 dvfco
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Iridium - It has always been cool, but only among people who feel comfortable thinking for themselves and don't worry about being called anti-Semite, etc.   

i'm anti-Israel - they kill woman and children indiscriminately and they own the American media.  So, they change it to say, "Human Shields attack Israeli Weapons" and "The UN Hospital was responsible for shelling Israel."

How many Israeli's died before they re-invaded the already occupied territory of Gaza?  It rhymes with one.  Because it was none!

They are baby killing, American government bribing, media owning criminal vultures. 

And they have been - throughout history - they've fucked over every host country, the same way Ebola is killing almost every host it enters today.

If we don't cut the cord, they'll do more damage to our country than (Obama X Congress X Senate X NY/CA Jews on Supreme Court).  

NEW SLOGANS - 

Wherever you find a Zionist in this world, you'll find trouble!

ZIONISM - THE EBOLA OF WORLD POLITICS!

ZIONISTS - IF THEY DIDN'T FUCK YOU OVER, YOU WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION!

Logic Lesson - Not all Jews are bad.  Not all Jews are Zionists.  Zionist and their supporters are ALL BABY KILLING war criminals.

ZIONISM - It's not just a Jew Thing!

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:55 | 5027236 kurt
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Dear dvfco,

How do we add someone who up arrows you to a list? I'm part of the kill squad for my district. Oh and how do we access current results? I'm making a google map with the location of all the anti-semites in my area. I'm wondering if I can add my neighbor because he looked at me funny. Oh and my Jack in the Box coffee was not hot. Can we add corporations? I understand they are people now.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:30 | 5027422 IridiumRebel
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It's a shame more people don't get you. Try adding a sarc tag...

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 15:38 | 5028839 radiobomb
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All civilian death is wrong. No matter who does it.

However, check this to get perspective:

[warning; islamic militia are responsible for the crimes-against-humanity (murders) below]

Iraq [>5500 this year] ISIS

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/iraqi-civilian-death-toll-5...

Nigeria [>4099 this year] Boko Haram

http://christiannews.net/2014/07/29/nigerian-christians-killed-by-muslim...

syria [aprox 150,000 in 3 years] Civil War

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/01/syria-civil-war-death-toll-...

kenya [during the world cup] Al Shabaab

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2658751/Red-Cross-34-die-militan...

there are many more. this is just in 4 countries. totalling hundreds of thousands of murders. Do these victims deserve any press attention - or does that spoil your 'balanced' view of this planet ?.........   ah, just fucking with you dvfco........

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:02 | 5027274 Mi Naem
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Well then, we need more hip Senators and Congressmen, and newscasters and reporters, and talking heads, media producers, .... 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:19 | 5027062 Spastica Rex
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Imagine a future where human beings tweet like birds.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:22 | 5027079 Ghordius
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is that a future where hunting accidents are more common or less?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:43 | 5027175 enforcer92677
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All part of my cat's master plan to take over the world.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:20 | 5027068 taketheredpill
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So sad when Journalists (i.e. prostitutes paid by someone else to pretend to be your lover) snap out of their stupor and are promptly bitch-slapped.

 

Whomever wrote it will not only get turfed but will be forever labelled a trouble-maker.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:21 | 5027074 Bernoulli
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"Horror" is a word to be removed from FED-speak!

We want good news.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:23 | 5027088 seek
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Just yesterday there was a story here blaming Facebook for making people in the US stupid. Perhaps AP is a better scapegoat.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:23 | 5027089 BrigstockBoy
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Why does the Rothschild Castle have the design of the temple of Solomon? Why has a Pentecostal church in Brazil just recreated the temple of Solomon? It's opening to the public today. Got Revelation?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:28 | 5027109 john39
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satanism disguised as religion.  in their view, the sheeple won't figure it out so long as the convince people that satan is God.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:34 | 5027131 BrigstockBoy
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Look into the guy who developed the temple. Do some searches on his adopted son.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:11 | 5027316 p00k1e
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We wait for the day we can clip the heads from X-ians with the Guillotine – Jews said it’s all good. 

Rumor is, the head stays alive for up to a minute after it lands in the basket. 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:25 | 5027100 Fix It Again Timmy
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AIPAC war pigs dangle a dollar before our representatives and they fall all over themselves trying to grab it.  535 jewish ass-kissing, dick-sucking moral midgets aiding and abetting war crimes - it's just too disgusting....

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:57 | 5027250 tony wilson
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AIPAC - THIS IS WHAT TREASON LOOKS LIKE

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBpft6pQClY

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 14:45 | 5028373 Kirk2NCC1701
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Unless Israel is America’s “Secret 51st State”(SS51, akin to Area51) – in which case the statements by these people make sense -- then there is a BLATANT and DECEITFUL use of semantics, that keeps being repeated over and over by all these NWO Zionists:  "The pretense of Bilateralism and Reciprocity, where there is NONE."

1.      Ally/Alliance implies and includes genuine Reciprocity

2.      Friendship implies and includes  genuine Reciprocity

There is NO RECIPROCITY in the Alliance or Friendship with the “State of Israel”: 

   Ø  Israel does NOT provide Financial Aid to the US

   Ø  Israel does NOT provide Foreign Aid to the US

   Ø  Israel does NOT provide Intelligence to the US

   Ø  Israel does NOT provide Military Aid to the US

   Ø  Israel does NOT provide Advanced Weapons Technology to the US

   Ø  Israel does NOT provide Foreign Aid to the US

   Ø  Israel does NOT provide Political Aid to the US

Yet the USA provides all these to the foreign State of Israel, at the expense of the US Taxpayers, and the sweat, blood and lives of its brave, gullible and malleable military.  America is the Shabbos Goyim par excellence.

Lisening to all these ploticians, agents and shills, it is CLEAR that the Government of the USA has been 100% coopted and hijacked by the “State of Israel” (SS51).  Only a full retard, willful ignoramus, Agent or shill would argue otherwise – in the hopes that enough people can be duped or scared into silence or compliance, until their Globalist agenda is completed (Temple of Solomon rebuilt, filled with Gold, and animal sacrificed restored after 2000 years).

p.s. Note that both Area51 and SS51 have Aliens/aliens.  ;-)

Kirk out.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:26 | 5027103 froze25
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And they wonder why the "Main Stream Media" viewer/readership is in a tail spin.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:27 | 5027108 RagnarDanneskjold
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AP is supposed to be "objective" but headlines like that destroy the brand. 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:26 | 5027403 headhunt
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I consider AP to be a communist filter parasite which lives up this administrations butt

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:29 | 5027111 Frostfan1
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I don't think of this as a propoganda issue but more of news organizations learning about what they are going to say on Twitter.  One of my coworker's girlfriends does the tweets at a social media site.  She's in her early 20s so you can imagine the OMG's or whatever other lines she says.  My point is a lot of young kids handle the twitter messages and what they write isn't necessarily etched in stone and you would think higher ups have the right to change or adjust a tweet.  As a comparison, ZH constantly issues updates under their headlines to clarify something and other sites will change their headlines hours later to better reflect what they want to say.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:32 | 5027120 roadhazard
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Whats a "tweet."   Is that where people think they have friends who care what they think?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:47 | 5027197 kurt
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Just like here, buddy!

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:51 | 5027215 Budd aka Sidewinder
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No. You're thinking about a Facebook status update

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:32 | 5027124 alien-IQ
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Another example is in the New York Times when the other day they changed the headline from:

"Four boys killed while playing on Gaza beach"

to:

"Boys drawn to Gaza beach, and into center of Middle East strife"

So much for the "Newspaper of Record"

http://www.fair.org/blog/2014/07/17/nyt-rewrites-gaza-headline-was-it-to...

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:46 | 5027190 PT
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Well, you know, sometimes people make mistakes and don't say what they mean.  How did that story go again?  You know, the one where the guy was going to tell his wife, "My darling, your hair looks extra beautiful today" but instead he actually said, "Fucking shut up bitch!  Where's my bloody dinner?  And on your way to the kitchen grab me a fucking beer!"

Such a simple mistake, anyone could make it ... 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:23 | 5027382 headhunt
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Funny shit

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:34 | 5027132 besnook
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you guys are disgusting. our dear leaders are motivated by superior ethics and morals. the israel zionist lobby is a myth. ask anyone at aipac and the adl.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:34 | 5027135 Duffy
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it's like saying how Israeli apartheid is... like...not apartheid and you're a vile anti-semite for saying it's apartheid, even if you lived under apartheid and kinda know what it tastes like.

I don't think the real story is that AP changed the tweet, the story is the initial tweet came out at all.

I don;t know who owns AP, but I'd be willing to guess that whomever tweeted that got punished in some way if not fired.

 

Those unanimous votes...  I don't care if you're reflexively pro-Israel.  Given the carnage, and the fact Israel started the recent round of violence on an obvious false pretext, it shouldn't have been unanimous.  That's not honest voting - that's people being afraid of AIPAC and the broader Israel Lobby, including the idiot southern Evangelicals who don't seem even remotely Christian to me. They seem more like end-times obsessed Jews, in terms of their theological concerns and what they rely on for their conception of God.  Very rare indeed is it to see/hear a "Christian Zionist" actually quote from Christ, let alone the NT.

And no, I'm not really religious myself, but I do think words should not be abused.  "Christian Zionists" aren't really Christian, and they're only Zionists to the extent it hastens, they think, Jesus' return so he can throw the Muslims and Jews who won't convert into the Lake of Fire.

If they actually read the Bible, they'd figure out that the apostles expected, and Jesus said, that he was going to return within their lifetime - not thousands of years later.  Revelation regards things that happened 1900 years ago, not the future, and the OT prophecies, if you're Christian, are supposed to point to the time of the Messiah, i.e. Christ.

They're fucking idiots who don't know their own book.

 

or history:  www.jesusneverexisted.com

 

 

 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:56 | 5027246 daveO
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I have lived around Southern Evangelicals and Southern Baptists most of my life. They are 'mental' slaves to Israel. Some send their kids off to college. The kids became brainwashed atheists who turn against their parents. The kids them become debt/tax slaves to the Israeli controlled 'establishment'. You can send a child to college, but you can't make them think.  

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:01 | 5027264 dvfco
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VERY WELL DONE!

NAIL, MEET HEAD!

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:43 | 5027489 laomei
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The "Bible" as it exists is pure Pauline bullshit.  If you want anything even close to real you have to look back on the earliest christians.  The ones who said that Jesus was not some virgin birth (that claim is actually based on a translation error), was "adopted" by god for being a good rabbi, and cuts out all the miracle bullshit focusing on good works instead.  Not divine at all, never said anything about bread being flesh and wine blood.  The Paulines around 163 or so came over from the west to see what was going on with James in Jerusalem.  Oh fuck, it's not the same.  Ebionites and other Gnostics were murdered and books burned for the next few centuries, especially after Rome converted and stole shit from Mithras.  The Ebionites ran off to Saudi, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq... then something funny happened.  A monk who really hated what Christianity had become, fully aware of it all being entirely distorted was in the middle of translating the original gospels into Arabic.  Just so happened he was a relative of a merchant who was interested in hearing the truth.  A few years later, that monk declared his relative a prophet... and that's Islam in a nutshell.  ISIS/IS whatever are salafists, basically muslim ebionites saying that everything after the first 3 generations of islam were bullshit and corrupted.  Which means that, violent or not, they are FAR closer to being Christian than any proclaimed "christian" is today.

 

Sorry Christians, what you are fighting against here is essentially your own damned religion because you don't want to face up to the fact that you distorted it all and fucked it up.  The bible is full of nonsense because it's all been highly edited, mistranslated, and made up out of wholecloth... with original versions burned to cover it up.  Unfortunately, it wasn't the perfect crime, because whoops, early documents references those "heathen" books.

 

Here's who this jesus guy was: a good little jew who followed all the rules until one day he saw something out of the ordinary and got dunked in water.  why was this dunking going on? because the temple rituals were kinda fucking retarded and expensive for anyone ordinary.  MOMENT OF CLARITY right there.  Wipes off his face, looks around and goes "everything is bullshit".  He redpilled and woke up.  He then starts going around calling out the bullshit for what it is and gosh golly gee, people like what they hear.. he's a good observant rabbi afterall, not some nutjob.  Ok, it's the time of miracle workers (there are hundreds of them around), so he's gotta pull some tricks to draw a crowd to hear him out.  Pisses off the temple jews though and gets executed.  If anything his "coming back" has more to do with the fact that the ideas didn't die with him.  Others were going around repeating the message.  Gnostics, Ebionites, and others were some of the first to pick it all up, while fucking Paul runs off to the west to try and convert others.  Paul's just a greek guy who turned jew to marry a chick, but that fell apart and he ran back home after the ordeal.  Make shit up, be creative, afterall, the competition here is roman gods who have all their amazing deeds.  He mistranslated shit on purpose, he dug deep to find references to shit that could be warped, and flat out made stuff up to attract people... and look at that, it worked.  James stayed behind and continued on the original message.  Paul fucking hated James because James stayed on message.  So a few generations past, all the OGs are long since dead, shit's getting edited heavily more and more to attract converts.  Every so often someone pondering "are we still true to the original?", wandering off to Jerusalem, freaking out and calling in reinforcements to kill a bunch of people.. then editing their version more to counter anything the originals might have to claim as evidence.

 

Muslims came along as mentioned, and that's why you get all that animosity between Muslims and Christians.  Remember, it was a BIG DEAL for christians to do a pilgrimage to the levant.  Kinda throws a kink into things if when they get there they discover that they were being lied to.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:54 | 5027536 Duffy
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I agree with a lot of this.  good.interesting post/reply - thanks.

 

Have you ever read or heard of either "the god who wasn't there" [documentary and website] or "Caesar's Messiah"?

super interesting stuff. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN9ATGqLNo8

 

there's also a "debunked" video that is worth looking at although I think it pretty week.

 

There's also the first part of the Zeitgeist movie...  you know, solar deity, lots and lots of astrological symbolism - largely comports with the Caesar's Messiah theory.

 

All in all, Christianity is probably far more Near Eastern/"pgan" in Origin than Jewish. 

 

Actually -the very idea of "judeo-christian" makes little sense.  Yahweh's message, the ethos of the OT has virtually nothing to do with Christ.

 

The Torah is closer to the Koran than either is to the NT - which is not to say the NT is truer or more accurate - not at all.

 

But you'd probably have the least bloody and unjust world if everyone adhered to the OT versus the koran or OT/Torah.  If you doubt me - try reading them...  doesn't take that long, really...limit the OT to the books comrpsing the Torah proper. 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 14:54 | 5028447 laomei
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OT shit to me is all jewish fairytales.  it's a story of some nomads in a fucking desert and that's about it.  A tribe started wondering where they came from and why things were the way they were and why eating certain things made you sick and why other things were ok.  With zero notion of science primitive man invents gods to explain shit in a way that can, in a tribal society, be a definitive answer to everything and at the same time help you tell a friendly tribe from a not so friendly tribe.  Yes, there's some actual history mixed in, ditto for powerful people who did some things along the way... but pretty much all of it is pure bullshit.

Habiru: "a loosely defined, inferior social class composed of shifting and shifty population elements without secure ties to settled communities" who are referred to "as outlaws, mercenaries, and slaves" 

There ya have it, basically nomadic underclass wandering around in an area at the nexus of great powers.

For the jews, they had their system, their "Law" of how to do stuff.  They had their little chunk of land in the desert on the fringes of empires and as a nomadic wandering tribe, yea, settling down somewhere that isn't complete shit feels kinda nice.  And not really even a tribe either, just a bunch of rabble trying to figure shit out, creating a cultural identity is something that just happens after a while.  You figured out shit to eat in one place, move to a new place and you're all still eating the same shit regardless of the rest of the population... why? Cus god or whatever said so, now shut up and eat.

 

The rabble never conquered the land either.  There was a collapse at the end of the bronze age and the inhabitants abandoned the place.  So they get done pissing off the egyptians, they were squatting on good land and were pissy about taxes, and probably get driven out.  So wandering around in the desert at a time when the world is going to shit everywhere (bronze age collapse was FAR more devastating than even the roman collapse), and they stumble across.... Cannan.  Shit's abandoned, drought and all that going on, probably became the sea people cus it was more viable.  So the jews had their "manna" which was more likely than not, given their nature, foraging and raiding small villages.  So eventually they stumble upon Cannan (still ruled by Egypt), and hell, there's like no one there... a few small villages to genocide I guess, but fuck me it's "god's gift" to us.  Immediately you get to the insane rules bits of the OT, the infighting, the wars, the genocides, and all that shit... gee, I'm sure that came out of nowhere, surely in the desert they were all pure hearted (my ass).  If anything it was cleared out ahead of time by Egypt to wipe out the Sea People raiders, our little band of raiders gets word of a place to gank and they went for it.  That Moses guy? Yea, he never got there, just in sight of it and he's dead.  Why? Coup most likely.  He had his way in the desert and that shit would end in a hurry once land was involved.  He got whacked, because that's human nature and these were violent people.  Time now to write that shit down and make it sound good for the kiddies.

So not only did they score free cities, but just by luck it was the end of the droughts (must be because they were doing something right! Let's build a temple... maybe? No evidence for it sadly.).  So for a solid 300 years or so they did their thing, then got invaded and their shit pushed in.  Another 100 years or so, and bam, hello Assyria who pushed their shit in again.  Judah decided to go along as a vassal state, but that got fucked 100 years later and whoops Babylon.  Persians were cool with them, probably because they didn't know any better yet.  Like I said, zero evidence of a 1st temple, but Cyrus was going all out in the PR department to get people back home and giving em cash to REBUILD temples.  Oh.. sure... yea... we had er a temple, a GREAT FUCKING BIG ONE.  what about it?

After the persians, it was the greeks, then another lull of about 100 years before the romans came and pushed their shit in.  And everything after that was them not in control or just kicked out entirely.  The population in that "homeland" of theirs was basically jack shit.  500 years of being a sovereign nation out of 1200 before being kicked out, and then another 1900 or so of "nojew".  The Byzantines hung onto to for 200, arabs(muslim) for another 500, crusaders for 200, Mamluks(muslim) for 250, turks(muslim) for 400. Jews frequently kicked out time and time again for causing trouble, muslims staying fairly stable for a period of 500 and then another 650 or so till the brits started fucking with shit, but still mostly muslim for a bit... so looking at 1200 years out of the last 1600 vs. 500 out of the last 3100 and 0 in the last 1900.  Who's got greater claim? Who's got the most recent claim? Well, over that long wandering around in not-israel, our happy little tribe is at home nowhere.  They stay insular because that's what they have learned to do, they follow their desert bullshit to keep an identity.  

Anyways.. back on topic... "but laomei, you're so anti-semitic you jew-bashing asshole".  History gets fucked all the time, just because there is a tradition of writing shit down doesn't mean it stays the same, and edits happen quite a bit with the nasty parts whitewashed.  Don't believe me? US pilgrims, religious extremists who no one liked (cus they were literally insane), run off to the new colonies.  Gasp, there are settlements and farms and crops just waiting for us and the natives are basically all dead.  It's a paradise, god did this for us.  And from that moment on, check out the US history that is drummed into everyone's skulls.  The nasty bits are edited, modified, purged, glossed over.  Colonial cannibalism is a taboo thing to discuss.  If the native genocide had been complete, everything about them would have been ignored entirely.  To the victors go the rights of history.  Fuck me, even basic facts of WW2, the "good war", the war still in living memory are distorted.

Now remember that desert bullshit? That desert bullshit also just so happens to feature fun aspects which gradually piss off literally everyone.  The Pauline Christians (James believed in following jewish law, Peter was the negotiator) hated Jews anyways, any excuse to kick em out was a good one just on a religious basis alone.  But being insular... where they gladly sell shit to the outside but only buy from the community, does not help your cause.  Being the financial middlemen because Christians still prohibit interest on loans, so hey, free money for being a Jew, doesn't help your cause either.  During times of economic trouble, being not only much better off AND visibly/culturally/linguistically/religiously different, does not help the cause either.  Even in empires that were relatively liberal towards them, same shit happened, eventually, bit by bit, people got fed up and it's jew-killing time again. But to be fair, Paulines were also totally in love with killing off other Paulines who were slightly different, and pure unfettered rage if you're a non-pauline flavor of christian.  Muslims... far more open to em, mainly because of common traits which could be tolerated (as you mentioned with Qu'ran and Torah being very similar.  

 

Anyways, that's my take on the whole bloody mess.

tl;dr: OT is hokum fairy tales of a nomadic underclass, NT is highly distorted and the "most radical sects of islam" (salafism/wahhabism) are closest to Ebionism, which was the original fucking message of this jesus character.  And as for me I don't really give a fuck about any of it because I think it's all based on bullshit fairytales to begin with.

 

 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:36 | 5027146 Last of the Mid...
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probably a Haaaavad grad.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:36 | 5027148 Phillycheesesteak
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That reporter on the Gaza tweet was fired by AP. He was caught writing propaganda pieces for Al Jazeera.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:46 | 5027191 Mi Naem
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"That reporter on the Gaza tweet "

interesting, got a link? 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:49 | 5027207 daedon
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As opposed to propaganda for ... who ?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:41 | 5027167 sbenard
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Proof once again that AP is part of what I call the Propaganda Press!

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:45 | 5027186 pragmatic hobo
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every one of these mother fuckers need to be driven out of office.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:05 | 5027291 Otto Zitte
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death

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:49 | 5027193 tony wilson
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it a rothschild outfit init

just like reuters

run by brookings,cfr and chatham house in london

init.

add rupert mossad murdoch and alan rabbi yentob at bbc

you have one big decaying distemper ridden kosher swamp.

 

it just a numbers game kabbalistic numeracy negenergy and arab blood flow.

saturn torah bora shit show

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:48 | 5027200 roadhazard
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The latest bit of information I am hearing on the news is that Israel is out of bullets and America is opening "it's" stockpile of munitions to them.

First off, raise your hand if you think Israel is out of munitiions. Second off, you would think something like that could happen and no one ever know. Third off, where do I send money so both side can have more bullets. Stop pussy footing around.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:06 | 5027298 I Write Code
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It is highly unlikely that Israel is out of actual bullets, but is quite likely to be wanting more of some munition or other, and if only as a test to see whether Obama has cut them off.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:35 | 5027388 roadhazard
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I was using, "bullets" in the biblical term. Yes, they were talking about rpg's and explosives. Still the fact they think I need to know this info is interesting. Do I give a thumbs up that the US is doing this or a thumbs down Hamass, bleeding heart, I told you so.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:31 | 5027421 tony wilson
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they are getting low on depleted uranium from ge.

it has to make you wonder what jacob and edwyne rothschild really thinks of the state of israel by letting them use such long lasting cancer death so locally.

the idf drop missiles on the remnants of palestine over the coming weeks the jews breath in the cancer dose making them infertile.

this is the suicidal mentally deranged mind set this tribe has.

i suppose that is why they have the unique samson option in place

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:51 | 5027205 Gadfly
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“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” - David Ben-Gurion, a.k.a. David Grün (1886-1973), Israeli Prime Minister (1948-53, 1955-63) revered by Israelis as "Father of the Nation"

This is the Zionist mentality you are up against.  Pure evil.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:51 | 5027220 Arkadaba
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Excerpted from Moon of Alabama  story on a revised NBC article:

From the original article:

The Israel Defense Forces told Haaretz that a “preliminary investigation has found the Israeli army did not fire at the Shifa Hospital, and the fire is believed to have been Hamas.” The IDF could not immediately be reached to clarify that account on Monday. However, a NBC News journalist witnessed the attack on the hospital and said it had been fired by an Israeli drone.

The article is revised a few hours later:

Early reports from the ground said an Israeli drone was responsible for the attack.

No mention of the eyewitness at all in the revised version

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:32 | 5027725 Village-idiot
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Hamas admitted to having drones a couple of weeks ago. The Israelis shot one down at about that time.

So, if it was a drone, was it controlled by the Israelis or Hamas?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 10:54 | 5027228 dvfco
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I think it's time for a fund raiser to hire a plane-full of late-stage Liberian Ebola victims to fly to Ben Gurion Airport.  We pay each of their family members $50,000.

"No - we're not carrying bombs - we're carrying EBOLA - MOTHA FUCKA!  Now how do you feel about killing hundreds of innocent woman and children.  Don't worry, you'll see how it feels to be killed indiscriminanly very soon!"

Bleed-out, pan out, camera rolls credits.

(Brooklyn real estate prices drop by 75% in five minutes.)

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:05 | 5027294 alexcojones
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Please Don't Bash Jews.

90% of them are EXXactly like Muricans.

Misguided, Uninformed, distracted by trivialities.

Basically "good people" who have allowed tyrants to rule / enslave them.

 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:19 | 5027348 Comte d'herblay
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There is a segment of the Jewish population, primarily with careers in Finance, Law, government, left wing organizations, and the AIPAC members that deserve more than bashing; many of them should be in prison for life. 

As with the Sicilians, it's extemely unfair and fruitless to bash all of them because of La Cosa Nostra, but there is no denying that there is something in the ethnic makeup of a goodly number of them outside the Mafia to be suspicious of all Sicilians.  

And then there's the Israeli jewish population which has tribes within it, that do not condone this violence, do not serve in the military, and do not take welfare.

Bashing all jews is ridiculous but when you see 3 jews at the head of the FED controlling all the money for the last 40 years and counting, one has to be deaf, dumb and blind to not wonder what the fuck the Rubins, Emmanuels, Bernankes, Greenspans, Geithners, J Yells, Lews, and other highly visible jews are up to. 

Guaranteed that same would be said of Sicilians should their names replace the jewish ones, and there would be a far louder outcry from every nook and cranny about how La Cosa Nosrtra controls the American economy. 

 

 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:43 | 5027483 dvfco
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Oh my, @Comte d'herblay, masterful!

'The new Federal Reserve Heads have been nominated: Fugazi, Cusamano and Siragusa.  Next year's candidates include:  Mantegna, Piscopo and Capone.

Huh?

Federal Reserve's First Official Statement:

 

"The federal reserve rate has been increased to 12%, per day, plus 4 points!  If you need the money, talk to Vinny over in there."

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:10 | 5027311 Yen Cross
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  I'm not surprised, A.P. IS THE BIGGEST .GOV SHILL OUTLET known to man... They're the same group of Obozo peons that decided to rename "Illegal Immigrants" to "undocumented immigrants"...

  So remember to wave at all the "undocumented immigrants" when you're in line at the welfare office, doctors office, DMV, applying for a job at Walmart, or from inside the fence at your local FEMA camp.

  Illegal Immigrants Have Been Banned From the AP Stylebook - The Daily Beast

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 17:46 | 5029598 Moustache Rides
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When 911 happened I was working as a reporter for a newspaper.  I remember being told not to refer to the attack as a "terrorist attack" but as a "terror attack".  I thought it was strange at the time and wondered where this mandate had come from.  I'm guessing it must be straight from AP.  The emotional impact of terror is stronger than terrorist.  Terrorists invoke the idea of people doing something bad.  Terror goes straight to invoking the emotion of.. well.. terror.  All part of the psychological mind fuck that gets shoved down our throats every day by the MSM.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:13 | 5027328 dsty
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terrorists don't play fair

that's not propaganda

some smart powerful jews who happen to be satanist being called zionists

thus making all jews look evil

that's propaganda

same evil coming your way, what will you do

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:17 | 5027344 THE DORK OF CORK
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Tommy Tiernan on Isreal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q8UzRgU9mw

 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:23 | 5027380 tony wilson
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a story from the saker blog.

it reads well.

Anonymous said...

 

"Gaza is much of a headache for us. The only way out of this mess is to physically eliminate those living down there, but public opinion will not be on our side this time and there will be strong political repercussions for our actions. We need a big distraction for the people while we vaporize Gaza".

The distraction plan ran pretty smooth in the beginning. We had to unleash a biological attack on China in the form of a viral epidemic that will rapidly kill thousands or even millions of Chinese citizens (we really couldn't predict how the virus will propagates once unleashed, but certainly it will take some month until the government gets to control over its spread. The simulation models were all giving different outcomes, depending on the variable input parameters, sometimes the model predicts the death of millions, but in other executions, it predicts only a few hundred fatalities).

Anyway, this was to serve the triple purpose of crippling the Chinese economy due to tightened measures resulting from the epidemic, a struggling China will also have a negative effect on Russians who got reinforced by forging an economic alliance with the Chinese, and meanwhile, we could have carpet bombed all of Gaza, forcing the remaining population to leave towards Sinai. Given the dimensions of a global pandemic risk, the Gaza affair would literally go unnoticed.

Our scientific colleagues already had a number of deadly strains of viruses in their laboratories, however we were looking after a moderately fatal but highly contagious strain of virus that is specifically active on Asiatic populations, to be more precise, Chinese. This required a number of live Chinese test subjects for engineering the optimum virus.

Some friends from Malaysian airlines agreed to jointly capture an airplane with Chinese passengers. The mission for flight 370 ran pretty well.

The 150 Chinese passengers were perfect test subjects, the corpses of those who did not survive the experiments were a perfect transport medium for shipping the virus to their destinations.

We loaded flight MH17 with a number of cadavers, from which we have drained all fluids and serum to slow down the decomposition and fermentation of the host material, this was necessary to preserve the structural integrity of the virus. The cadavers were accompanied by a team of scientists specialized in virology, their task were to transform the virus loaded cadavers into weaponized format, they simply had to cut the body parts into small enough pieces, then sneak them into a few places contaminating the food and water supply.

We were surprised of the mission progress, there was literally no obstruction throughout the whole process, except on that day when we finally had to transport the shipment from our laboratories in the Netherlands to Malaysia, and from thereon to our Hong Kong labs where they had to be transported to mainland China. Our mistake was in our naive assumption that the world is an open playfield, a literal zoo, one in which we had the absolute upper hand. We don't know who targeted the shipment.

We were desperate to save our asses, hence, we resorted to desperate measures to prevent the fall of our nation. forgive us.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:02 | 5027592 gcjohns1971
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Who the hell is 'We' supposed to be?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:34 | 5027423 DarthVaderMentor
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The Mainstream Press has been dumbing down for years to become the Lamestream Press. There is no more good research, aggressive and unbiased journalism. All that's been bred by the Ivy League and other liberal journalism schools is a poor set of politically biased raconteurs with little command of the English language. The Fourth Estate is no better and probably worse than Congress and the Executive Branch.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:34 | 5027446 Brokenarrow
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alot of jew haters on zh. im surprised. not every jew is running gs. frankly im disappointed in you turds. i agree with 99% of what zh's believe. im a jew. back the fuck up. i didnt get a bailout. i cant even get a fucking job. i still hate ben bernanke. back off.........stupid asses.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:12 | 5027635 Duffy
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the rhetoric goes over the top sometimes but few, i think, don't like all Jews or would dislike a dude because his parents/ancestors were Jewish.

I think it's basically about what seems to be wildly disproportionate power of Jews as a group, and legit criticism and resentment of the power a small foreign state has over the US because of the power of american jews.

 

It's difficult to tease it apart.  Most Jews aren't neocons, but most neocons were Jews - yet try to find a MSM article discussing the neocons as a Jewish movement, wjhich it was, and their motivations for all these wars, which is to benefit Israel.

 

Some people try to stick to the term "Zionist" but it's an imperfect solution.  The truth is, any time you criticize Israel, or ask, say, why most of the Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs are Jewish, given the fact the Jewish population is well under 2% in both countries...  people come out of the woodwork to scream "anti-semite" and nazi...

 

I'm concerned with Jewish power not because I don't like Jews as  group (although I don't like religion generally) but because a large minority plainl do have dual loyalty or even primarily loyalty to a foreign state and that, I think, is to the detriment of the country I now call my own.

 

Since you can't discuss Jewish power, or Israel's war crimes without people coming along and shouting "anti-semite" at you anyway - I think people just stop bothring qualifying their statements and just get lazy and use "Jews" to mean something more like, the Israeli government, or the heavy over-representation of people who are Jewish and pro-Israel amongst the media, political, and banking elite.

 

If you look at federal agency appointments - the amount of Jews - 2.5% of the population who have in the past 5 years headed just about all of them having to do with banking/finance - I mean it is wildly, wildly disproportionate.  there's no possible argument that this happens "naturally"  - it represents Jewish donations to both political parties.

 

go to wiki - look at present or recent heads of any such agency you like....

 

the fed, irs, cftc, treasury, commerce, cbo, fdic, office of the trade rep, officne management and budget, national economic council, council of economic advisos, financial crimes within DOJ, SEC,  - that's just top tier.  Second and 3rd tier management is a somewhat similar story.

 

And I'd love to find out what % of congressional staffers are Jewish.  I've heard estimates that it might be as much as 2/3. 

 

It's a problem because when a small, cohesive group has more power than they "should" it mean the majority, and other minorities  [like Scots!] have far, far less power and influence than they should.

 

And let me be blunt - go to Arlington or some othr military cemetary.  Particularly after ww2 - you sometimes can't see a star of david.  While Jews are over-represented in many areas - media, law, medicine, an for sure physics - comedians - they are very, veyr under-represente din the military.  So its especially galling to someof us to see Jewish groups lobbying for more and more war against states that do not threaten the US.

 

I'd love to find out if there are more american jews in the IDF than the US Army.  I think it is entirely possible.

And bear in mind - the American Jews who volunteer for the IDF are really volunteering to help the grandkids of european jews maintain their illegal occupation of the Palestinian people who were ethnically cleansed from what is now Israel within living memory...  for fuck's sake Rahm emanuel volunteered for the Israeli military during the first gulf war and he became chief of staff??

 

If I said he was primarily loyal to a foreign state though, some asshole would whine that I'm being "anti-Semitic" - the word is over-used so often that it's largely lost any coherent meaning on boards like this.

 

jm2c

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:05 | 5027902 Frostfan1
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The 2.5% number as a starting point is unrealistic.  New York and Washington Metro areas are more like 10% Jewish.  Now back out that aside from military, Jews don't become cops or firefighters (full-time anyway) or construction and you're now looking at a minority that mostly goes to college and unsurprisingly finds jobs that need college.  Now throw in the fact that Jews do pretty good at the numbers thing and you get your disproportion.

As for jews in the US military, I did my ROTC time in college and it became pretty clear the good old boys didn't want my GPA going against their scholarship opportunities.  The captain who was really enthusiastic toward others joining hmmm wasn't that interested in me.  I'm sure my story has thousands of repeats in the jewish community. 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:19 | 5027672 NoTTD
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+100

 

Am Chai Israel.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:51 | 5027750 besnook
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blame it on your brothers. they chose to equate israel with all jews, therefore all jews are fair game. want to change the meme? talk to your peeps.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:36 | 5027462 surfsup
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Fade the lie stream media

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:37 | 5027466 potato
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guys, i bet the cost of building a ghost city in the desert and evicting everyone in gaza with free busses would have been cheaper

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:39 | 5027472 JohnFrodo
Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:11 | 5027636 Village-idiot
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As a Canadian I can say, we want them about as much as the Jordanians want them.

Thanks, but no thanks!

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:39 | 5027474 gcjohns1971
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The one thing you will NEVER hear from Official sources is the complete unvarnished truth.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:44 | 5027492 rawsienna
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What is happening in GazA is tragic -- but for all you Israel haters out there--how come you don't bash isis, Assad , the former king of Jordan, the brotherhood and all the other psychopaths in the region for killing, torturing hundreds of thousands of their fellow Muslims (including Palestinians) over the years. What would Assad do to GaZA or any opposition in Syria if he found terror tunnels leading into his country. We all know he would have wiped out all of GazA by now. What did the former king of Jordan do the Palestinians when they wanted to overthrow him, he murdered and exiled thousands. Two wrongs don't make a right but the double standard from many of you can only be explained by deep inner hatred and racism.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:56 | 5027548 besnook
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and this is suppose to make israel look better?

with the exception of isis(a cia creation) the other examples are done by people in their own name, not under mommy' skirt(the usa). as an american, israel's murderous rampage is financed, in part, with my tax dollars without my consent. see the difference in perception when you are a real american?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 19:07 | 5029962 rawsienna
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Simple question -- if today israel agreed to a two state solution with the 1967 borders -- and the gave up all its weapons, what would happen tomorrow. I think any honest person knows the answer.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:47 | 5027502 notadouche
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I'm sure all of this can be explained by a spontaneous reaction to an obscure internet video.  The Ukraine, Gaza, unaccompanied minorimmigrants showing up in droves, AP reporting...What does it matter?  Nothing scripted, all just a big misunderstanding that needs a solution.  Now if all yall can stop hatin' long enough to listen to the new law of the land that I decided to enact is as follows:

In this era of instant and uncontrolled communication its obvious to me that we need to create a kill switch, if you will, carried by the POTUS at all times, much like the " button" of a bygone era.  This new Football gives The Commander-in- Chief immediate control, in times of crisis, for the sole purpose of preventing the functionality of services including but not limited to:    Internet service, tweeting, cell phone service and or any or all forms of communication deemed necessary and under the sole discretion of the Office of the President in order to prevent these mindless and tragic acts of one off spontaneous events including but not limited to, attacking embassies, rioting, looting, gathering unlawfully for protest, flash mobs, privately dissenting or otherwise disagreeing with POTUS decisions which is unlawful under the federal hate crimes act. I enact these Executive Orders, effecive immediately:  In order to create a more perfect union, establish justice and insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, Secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.

Justification complete and justified in accordance to the preamble of the Constitution.  MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:47 | 5027503 Fox-Scully
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Throw the cow over the fence some hay.  Can I get an AP job?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:58 | 5027566 besnook
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lol. while i can't brag about my grammar skills, it would be interesting to measure the level of understanding by zhers regarding the intent of your post.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:08 | 5027622 Village-idiot
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Err... that should be "grammatical skills".

sarc.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:08 | 5027624 the grateful un...
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this is a pretty clever example of the principle of communication (?) which asserts that the reader is able to discern the intent of the piece even when the pieces are not in their proper order.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:19 | 5027669 NoTTD
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Yesterday I shot an elephant in my pajamas...

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:02 | 5027590 the grateful un...
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this is an art form, some people have it some not so much. i admire the person who writes those one or two sentence film reviews for the various guides. Gone With The Wind: Woman loses the family farm, vows to get it back.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:20 | 5027677 percyklein
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Superb remark!

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:15 | 5027652 fishwharf
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What's going on in Gaza today has more similarities to the Warsaw Ghetto uprising in 1943 than differences.  Yes, after the Germans crushed the rebellion the survivors were shipped to Treblinka where most were killed, but I'm sure there are more than a few Israelis who would do something similar to the Palestinians if they thought they could get away with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:08 | 5027913 Frostfan1
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I could replace that last sentence with two groups all oer the world. 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:18 | 5027663 NoTTD
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All this does is highlight the political bias which is apparent in most AP "reporting".

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:20 | 5027673 Esculent 69
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Because we all love the propaganda battle, most of you forget propaganda works many ways.  Anyone can claim loyalty to israel all day long and they can be called whores of aipac.  However, like the political left does, saying one thing and doing another is as basic 101 as it gets. Yet those who continue to spew out the "lock-step" bought and paid for israel apologists meme can't or refuse to see the subtle propaganda by the media who is most decidedly anti-israel.  

AP got caught on a moment of honesty and had to reword their tweet.  If you think the media is pro-israel then why do they always come down on the side that israel is the agressor and all they do is kill children, blow up hospitals and schools, and yet do not highlight that rockets are being stored in a UN funded school.  Or that the palestinians put their children in the line of fire even when israel gives the palestinians ample warning of when and where they are going to strike.  

You never hear with much repetition that it is in hamas' charter that they are for the destruction of israel and every jew there is.  that doesn't sound like a disagreement about territory to me.  Just pure hatred which is what I-slam is all about. It is a dictitorial government structure disguised as a religion. 

propaganda works many ways and the media conveiniently forgets certain stories that they try to squash because it might embarrass their candidate. 

"I was for Israel before I was against them", kind of thing.  If you don't think so then check out this article from 2008 where the la times refuses to air a video where obama, and apparently bill ayers in attendance,  in which he gave a passionate response to Khalidis' anti- Israel message.  

The media had to MAINTAIN  the image that obama was in support of israel.

"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor."

Dems only support the israelis for the campaign dollars and thats it.   

Today, five years later, Obama is a U.S. senator from Illinois who expresses a firmly pro-Israel view of Middle East politics, pleasing many of the Jewish leaders and advocates for Israel whom he is courting in his presidential campaign. The dinner conversations he had envisioned with his Palestinian American friend have ended. He and Khalidi have seen each other only fleetingly in recent years.

And yet the warm embrace Obama gave to Khalidi, and words like those at the professor's going-away party, have left some Palestinian American leaders believing that Obama is more receptive to their viewpoint than he is willing to say.

"I am confident that Barack Obama is more sympathetic to the position of ending the occupation than either of the other candidates," said Hussein Ibish, a senior fellow for the American Task Force on Palestine, referring to the Israeli presence in the West Bank and Gaza Strip that began after the 1967 war. More than his rivals for the White House, Ibish said, Obama sees a "moral imperative" in resolving the conflict and is most likely to apply pressure to both sides to make concessions.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/10/nation/na-obamamideast10

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:45 | 5027779 Duffy
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absolutely absurd.  Preposterous.

Look at Obama's chicago backers, advisors and appointments.  For people like you, any statement which in any way deviates from the worldview of the Zionist right is "anti-Israel."  It is an absurd position to stake out, but then, Bibi is considered a moderate within his party - which tells us a lot about Israel's politics and the bizarre, reactionary worldview of political/colonialist/apartheid zionism today.

 

Collective Punishment in Gaza Confused about Hamas, ‘rockets’, war in Gaza? Vital background facts


Who Started ‘the Cycle of Violence’ in Palestine?

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 15:38 | 5027701 SameAsItEverWas
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There need be no outside force to impose uniformity of "thought" on a herd of homo sapiens.  The herd polices itself! 

It happens right here all the time when other posters think they're giving me a helpful warning to "watch out for the thought police" when in fact they are serving as self-appointed thought police in issuing that warning.

Harry Elmer Barnes (1889 - 1968) worked tirelessly his entire life trying to understand this self-policing and wholly repressive behavior of humans from the perspective of a historical sociologist.  He did a damn good job of it too.  But, in a perfect example of the phenomenon so very few* have understood as natural human behavior ... Barnes himself (ironically, inevitably) was erased from "common knowledge" by the very same herd he sought to free.   No matter how stupid or bright a person is, absolutely nobody likes being shown a fool.  Yet Barnes had the temerity to  show (in a rigorous academic fashion) that almost everyone had been fooled and to make it even worse (or better) in his 1926 History and Social Intelligence Barnes showed that's the way it's always been, for the most part. [Barnes, after Marx, understood there rare points in history when truly revolutionary changes occur and everyone can see the emperor is naked.]  Many of us here were alive during times of great changes, if not in the 1960s U.S. and France, social and political upheavals in Central and South America in the 1970s, or the breakup of the Soviet Union in the 1980s.  But most of you have been brainwashed into either forgetting those  times of change completely, or maybe believing it was just youthful folly--helped along maybe by the Drug War's "This is Your Brain on Drugs" propaganda to blame the 1960s on foolish drug use.

I recently went to see Mark Rudd give a talk to a bunch of law students about his time as a radical in the Weather Underground of SDS and Rudd pretty much told the audience that what he did back then was stupid and foolish ... it was horrifying to me to see how came to disown all of the 1960s counterculture and rebellion against authoritarianism, and here we are in a time of much greater conformity than the 1950s yet there is no longer a Lenny Bruce, Hunter S. Thompson, or anyone else for that matter to tell the masses what's happening.

Many of us here (ZH advertisers pay up for male, older, higher income) lived through a time of great change, l which is why when the world reverts back to its normal condition it is as if there is a mass conversion of humans into zombies.  But that's what people are.  That's what makes humans the "social creatures" who seem to me to have no more intelligence than found in a swarm of wasps after their nest is disturbed or in the flock of birds feeding on my mealworms taking flight at the sight of my cat who is being taught the value of staying in my yard because as a result of those mealworms the neighbors no longer have all the birds.  The people who warn me to be watchful of the "thought police" have no idea that they themselves are spreading fear in a much more effective manner than any outside authority or system of control could achieve. 

Humans are being "trained" every much the same as my cat has in learning that she always gets a treat when she comes inside on her own choice after staying within the bounds of the cinder block walls on my property boundaries.  Humans are rewarded with money and sex, and the power that goes with them, but most of all by BEING LIKED, the capitalizing on desire for such made Mark Zuckerburg a billionaire.

"We have seen the enemy and he is US" Al Capp.  There is no They when it comes to social control.  There is no centralized Ministry of Thought, in actuality.  Rather, it's an inherent part of human nature because cohesion of the herd is necessary for its survival.

The big paradox of human development is the conflict between the herd and those few and brave individuals who have original ideas.  These scientists, inventors, or what-have-you are always scorned and spurned, yet without their new ideas the herd would die off, or at least stagnate.  But, apart from the very rare times when "revolution is in the air,"  the herd does its best to kill those original ideas and to kill those of its members who dare to challenge the staus quo. 

But why is there no social consciousness now?  The answer is that humans are by and large followers, not leaders.  And without any thought leaders the herd reverts to its usual intellectual torpor.  Why are there no leaders?  We had plenty of them in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s withether it was Gore Vidal or Timothy Leary, or even a David Koresh, there was always SOMEONE with original ideas.  And who do we have now?  Nobody! 

*footnote.  P.K. Dick was one of the very few writers on the 20th century who understood it.  Lenny Bruce got it.  Bob Dylan got it.   Hunter S. Thompson got it.  Most of the people who "get it" eventually find being constantly surrounded by herds of mindless zombies so unbearable that they decide they're better off dead in actuality than being stuck in this purgatory land of the living dead.  Many of them find life unbearable without the age-old anodyne, papaver s. l., which the unacquainted might think of as suicide in itself, and not as the medicine it's always been.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 12:56 | 5027842 Esculent 69
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Thanks for the down votes proving my point and no rebuttal.  When was the last time any elected republican member of congress supported the palestinians or hamas when even ol' barry has said the same thing as any republican that Hamas is a terrorist organization that must REJECT VIOLENCE.  

Democrats only support the israel for the money they receive from the jewish population of the united states.  how is that wrong?  Don't jews support dems far more than republicans hmmmmmmmmmm?

i await your refutation 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:13 | 5027936 Frostfan1
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Let me know when Schumer votes against Israel once the money stops rolling in.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:21 | 5027971 Duffy
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UN relief agency spokesman bursts into tears over deaths of Palestinian children

How many, or what percentage of American Jews are more loyal to Israel?

 

Around 1/3 maybe?  AIPAC's only 100,000 people, but if anything it, and allied 5th columnist groups like the ADL and SPLC and ZOA together have essentially hijacked the US government as to the Israel/Palestine conflict.

Only assholes dispute this.  When there's a huge, well-funded lobby one one side of an issue and virtually no lobby on the other side, it is axiomatic that politicians will fall over themselves to please that lobby.

Of course, even reputable Jewish magazines have estimated that Jews as a group give around half or more of private donations to both parties.

And I don't see Jewish liberals falling over themselves to denounce AIPAC or Likud or to protest the murderous assault on Gaza, although a small number have and they are to be commended as the Righteous Amongst the Heathen...  [Heathen standing in for 'gentiles' seems fair from a Xian perspective, eh?]

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 19:49 | 5030147 napper
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I think they control both parties. They have the money (more than enough of it) and the brains.

 

Have you seen any evidence to the contrary.

 

The US has been a rogue state for the past few decades no matter which party was in control.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:17 | 5027954 exartizo
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...all the gold and the wealth of this world can't help them.

When Jesus Christ returns the rulers of this world will get what's coming to them.

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:36 | 5028062 Esculent 69
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/11/14/Hamas-Fakes-Casualties-on-...

This is standard procedure for hamas. 

abc news reports the firing but doesn't have any outrage of a fellow news organization would dare to manipulate images to make israel's offensive look worse than it is.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2288892

read how abc "news" apologizes for this photographer as sleep deprived for his purposeful altering of images made to paint a negative light on israel.  Not to mention they didn't bother the show the image in question. 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/11/18/Bloggers-Catch-More-Dead-C...

i could go on, but i try to limit myself to certain length of my interjections or responses. 

Brevity is the soul of wit

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 13:51 | 5028140 Esculent 69
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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/11/18/cnn-gets-fooled-pales...

the lies are there for all to see. when only one view about the actions of the israelis are depicted as barbarous or over the top or genocide and then saying how israel has the right to self defense without aknowledging the actions against them is purposeful propaganda to help the cause against the israelis/ jews. 

When most of the sheep laps up the piss the media gives them what do you expect except the sheep to do but believe it when they will never question it.  

Except for those who knowingly lie about the true nature of the problem in the mddle east/ the world. 

I-SLAM

Moe Hamhead is a pedophile goatroping rapist who hates juice and fiddles

Now go perform a sex act with yourselves!

 

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 14:07 | 5028241 Esculent 69
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Its kinda like how the media portrays americas military actions as imperial or unnecessary.  we are portrayed as the ones who commit war crimes and torture yet the media refuses to spell out the actions of those who are our enemies who engage and commit the most vile actions against its own people let alone in the field of battle.

Never are you told of the alliances that these peaceful people have with nations who actively work to subvert and infiltrate us.  There are those who portray the us as stealing the worlds oil and we tell everyone else what is what.  Your never told that these nations have entered into international agreements in regards to oil contracts, royalties, rights and the agreement not to use as a weapon for political reasons.  

Kind of like using food as a weapon to starve its people to comply but oil is used to extort the international market who depend on price stability.   I will agree and aknowledge the problem with the petrodollar and the fed but, if we went stealing everyones oil we would've just leveled iraq and all the brown people.  but we didn't. 

We shouldnt have to be other countries military support which also goes to prove that a well armed society is a polite society.  the right to defend and protect ones self is paramount to a peaceable people.   

Thu, 07/31/2014 - 15:45 | 5028880 Angry Plant
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It a interesting story of how slanted AP headlines that AP does all the time on news stories is out of step with the image they want to portray on twitter of themselves as being a non partisan just the facts news source.

The new MSM is having trouble faking its apperance on twitter as the older less partisan MSM that died in the 90s.

 

Fri, 08/01/2014 - 06:44 | 5031737 AdvancingTime
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I believe nothing anymore. Since July of 2013 when the American government was allowed to take a more active role in creating news programs both government accountability and the role of free media has been diminished.  As of July 2, 2013 a taboo came silently to an end with the implementation of a new law passed in January.

For decades a so-called anti-propaganda law prevented the U.S. government's mammoth broadcasting arm from delivering programming to American audiences. The new law unleashes thousands of hours per week of government-funded radio and TV programs for domestic U.S. consumption. This was criticized by many human rights activist as a green light for U.S. domestic propaganda efforts and in my opinion it is already being felt. More on this subject in the article below. 

 http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/when-propaganda-and-surveillance....

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