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First Ever Ebola Case On US Soil As Patient Lands In Atlanta; CDC Urges Calm - Live Feed
A plane carrying Dr. Kent Brantly, the American doctor who contracted Ebola while treating patients in West Africa, landed at Dobbins Air Reserve Base in Marietta, Georgia, at around 11am this morning - the first ever case of Ebola on US soil. He is being escorted to Emory Hospital under police escort. His colleague Nancy Writebol will arrive later on a separate flight as the planes are equipped to deal with one quarantined patient at a time. As ABC reports, both are listed in "serious but stable condition." The CDC's director explained the infected patients pose little risk to others, adding "these are American citizens. American citizens have a right of return. I certainly hope people’s fear doesn’t trump their compassion." What is perhaps raising that fear among Americans (and frankly the world after yesterday's WHO warning of "high risks of spread to other countries") is the fact that, as Reuters reports, more than 100 health workers fighting Ebola have contracted it themselves.
Live Feed of arrival...
Here is a picture of the plane landing at @DobbinsARB. More information here: http://t.co/3bgiJroVl4 pic.twitter.com/pN7t3leyS5
— WSB-TV (@wsbtv) August 2, 2014
Ambulance carrying first Ebola patient on US soil en-route to Atlanta hospital (via NBC11) pic.twitter.com/RqDqcuT2ni
— PzFeed Top News (@PzFeed) August 2, 2014
News coverage looks OJ-esque as helicopter cameras follow white ambulance carrying #Ebola patient through Atlanta streets.
— T.J. Holmes (@tjholmes) August 2, 2014
PHOTO: Ebola patient in protective clothing being taken out of ambulance at Atlanta hospital pic.twitter.com/32HSa8pSLb @brianstelter
— PzFeed Top News (@PzFeed) August 2, 2014
As ABC reports, this is the first time the Emory Hospital unit will house patients who are truly infected with a dangerous disease.
Samaritan's Purse confirmed that Dr. Kent Brantly was the first American patient to be evacuated from Liberia aboard a private air ambulance. The flight landed about 11 a.m. Saturday.
Brantly and Nancy Writebol, an aid worker, will be treated at a specialized unit at Emory University in Atlanta.
Both Brantly and Writebol are listed in "serious but stable condition," according to Samaritan's Purse, the aid group Brantly for which worked. Writebol is expected to arrive in the U.S. early next week.
Brantly and Writebol worked at a hospital in Liberia. He's the first patient infected with Ebola to be on U.S. soil.
The NY Times explains the treatment...
“The reason we are bringing these patients back to our facility is because we feel they deserve to have the highest level of care offered for their treatment,” Dr. Bruce S. Ribner, an infectious disease specialist at Emory who will be involved in their care, said at a Friday afternoon news conference.
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“We depend on the body’s defenses to control the virus,” he said. “We just have to keep the patient alive long enough in order for the body to control this infection.”
And precautions...
“From the time the air ambulance arrives in the metropolitan Atlanta area, up to and including being hospitalized at Emory University Hospital, we have taken every precaution that we know and that our colleagues at the C.D.C. know to ensure that there is no spread of this virus pathogen,” he said.
But fear remains...
The director of the disease centers, Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, agreed that the patients posed little risk to others. And he added: “These are American citizens. American citizens have a right of return. I certainly hope people’s fear doesn’t trump their compassion.”
And perhaps rightly so as Reuters reports up to 100 health workers have been infected while treating Ebola patients... As The American Dream's Michael Snyder notes, something is different this time...
This is the worst Ebola outbreak in recorded history, and this particular strain appears to be spreading much more easily than others have. So far, 1,323 people have been infected in the nations of Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, and Sierra Leone. Of those 1,323 victims, a whopping 729 of them have died. But a number that is even more alarming was buried in the middle of a Reuters report on Friday. According to Reuters, “more than 100 health workers” that have been fighting Ebola in Africa have contracted the virus themselves. Considering the extraordinary measures that these health workers take to keep from getting the disease, that is quite chilling. We are not just talking about one or two “accidents”. We are talking about more than 100 of them getting sick. If Ebola is spreading this easily among medical professionals in biohazard body suits that keep any air from touching the skin, what chance are the rest of us going to have if this virus gets out into the general population?
In case you are tempted to think that this could not be possible and that I am just exaggerating, here is the relevant part of the Reuters article that I was talking about…
More than 100 health workers have been infected by the viral disease, which has no known cure, including two American medics working for charity Samaritan’s Purse. More than half of those have died, among them Sierra Leone’s leading doctor in the fight against Ebola, Sheik Umar Khan, a national hero.
This has the potential to be the greatest health crisis of our lifetimes.
But don’t just take my word for it. The following is what the head of the World Health Organization, Dr. Margaret Chan, just told the press about the disease…
“If the situation continues to deteriorate, the consequences can be catastrophic in terms of lost lives but also severe socio-economic disruption and a high risk of spread to other countries.”
That certainly doesn’t sound good.
Remember, there is no vaccine for Ebola and there is no cure.
Most of the people that get it end up dying.
And right now even our most extreme containment procedures are failing to keep health workers from contracting the disease.
I put the following quote in an article the other day, but I think that it is worth repeating. The health professionals that are on the front lines of the Ebola fight in Africa are going to extraordinary lengths to keep from getting the virus…
To minimise the risk of infection they have to wear thick rubber boots that come up to their knees, an impermeable body suit, gloves, a face mask, a hood and goggles to ensure no air at all can touch their skin.
Dr Spencer, 27, and her colleagues lose up to five litres of sweat during a shift treating victims and have to spend two hours rehydrating afterwards.
They are only allowed to work for between four and six weeks in the field because the conditions are so gruelling.
At their camp they go through multiple decontaminations which includes spraying chlorine on their shoes.
But those precautions are not working.
More than 100 of them have already gotten sick.
So why is this happening?
Nobody seems to know.
Like I said, something is different this time.
A top Liberian health official has already stated that this outbreak is “above the control of the national government” and that it could easily develop into a “global pandemic”.
It is absolutely imperative that this disease be contained until experts can figure out why it seems to be spreading so much more easily than before.
But instead, health officials are beginning to ship Ebola patients all over the planet.
In fact, two American health workers that have contracted Ebola are being shipped to a hospital in Atlanta…
Two American medical missionaries diagnosed with the deadly Ebola virus in Liberia could be back in the USA next week for treatment at a special medical isolation unit at Atlanta’s Emory University Hospital, the U.S. State Department said Friday.
The State Department did not name the two individuals, saying only that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was facilitating their transfer on a non-commercial flight and would “maintain strict isolation upon arrival in the United States.”
One is to arrive Monday in a small jet outfitted with a special, portable tent designed for transporting patients with highly infectious diseases. The second is to arrive a few days later, said doctors at Atlanta’s Emory University Hospital, where they will be treated.
Could this potentially spread the virus to our shores?
I am sure that they are taking as many precautions as they can.
However, even if those patients do not spread the disease to this country, the reality of the matter is that it will always be just a plane ride away. All it takes is for one person carrying the virus to get on one plane.
And if Ebola does start spreading in the United States, it could change life in this nation almost overnight.
We could very easily see forced quarantines and draconian restrictions on travel. For much more on this, please see my previous article entitled “This Is What Could Happen If Ebola Comes To The United States“.
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Finally, since every crisis and tragedy has an opportunistic silver lining, and "can't be put to waste," those who prefer to see the Ebola epidemic as opening avenues of profitability are encouraged to read the following article on a Canadian company which just may be the next CYNK, especially if the Ebola crisis does indeed spread away from "only" Africa.
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Exciting time to be a med student there .... or nurse or janitor .... all that learing .... they can put it on their resumes!
And if the printer runs dry while printing their new resume, they can refill their inkjet cartridge with the blood running from their eyes!
I guess we lead the world in Ebola imports.
See what this does to the next GDP report...
www.TopTheNews.com
Long Clorox
Common sense should triumph over compassion. Furthermore, how compassionate is it to introduce the virus to millions of innocent healthy people here? Does the CDC and Emory feel their labs are 100% secure?
This violates all rules of containment. Play with fire, sometimes you get burned.
Spook gov playing fast and loose with the rules so they can get their hands on another bioweapon. What could possibly go wrong?
With 90% of the population wiped out, think of all the "money" that will be left for the survivors; why, they'll all be trillionaires (just like in Zimbabwe)!
Valueless currency,
a dumbed-down and malnourished popluation,
jungle viruses,
roving gang warfare on our border,
all enabled by a tin-pot dictator.
I think it's safe to say the Africanization of Amurika is just about complete. Thanks, Obama!
Moarward!
Don't be such an alarmist. Things will be back to normal in 1000 years. 2000, tops.
Reminds me of the scene in Alien where they are trying to get John Hurt back on the ship. Ripley says she won't open the hatch. Someone overrides her - I think Ash and the Alien is on the ship then.
When government thinking is such that
When wacked out politicans think you have to vote for a bill to see whats in it
I have a feeling these folks feel ya have to get ebola to know ya have ebola
Chlorox seems so harsh, cold and violent. Why don't we all hold virtual hands and pray Ebola finds some love and compassion somewhere in its RNA sequence.
Miffed;-)
Only until you have expended huge amounts of time and sweat energy overcoming the impotence of its watered down 2.5% European cousin in getting any job done.
<< Chlorox is so harsh...> They don't understand....viruses are peeples too and soon, the Supreme Court will rule they have the right to vote and donate to their fav politcial party. The little fellows have feelings too.
When the Ebolas start reading zh their feelings will be very hurt.
I thought the Democrat Party was a virus. They are more evil than the GOP-e.
Yep, that'll work.
Does clorox really have any relevance vis ebola?
The reason why that is funny, is because it came from you.
h/t Miffed.
No way, that sounds like a great way to contract E-bola (budumpshh)! What is your opinion of nano silver?
....Clorox/bleach purchased at the store has a shelf life of about one year
calcium hypochorite. powder. makedown liquid as needed. prep, prep, prep.
Don't worry, be happy.
AFRICOM has a handle on it:
What are US bio-warfare researchers doing in the Ebola zone in Africa?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-are-us-biological-warfare-researchers-...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkHL2K7CmZg
I assume they have much better control measures inplace in the US then in the field hospitals in Africa. I'm fine with them bringing them home but also think those giving treatment should be quarentined until after resolution for the maximum incubation time.
That's almost a month.
He also ASSumes Emory Hospital, with zero experience in dealing with this, has better controls in place than experts over in Africa. Absurd. Delusional.
thamnosma, I've been following your comments on these various Ebola articles and I suggest you read Edgar Allan Poe's "Masque of the Red Death" which might prove to be an interesting allegory for this case.
Like I said before somewhere else: fear is a bad counsellor. If this thing really has the potential to go pandemic, the best American and European specialists need to be on top of this right now, and they will be needing to study this in their own facilities. What are you going to do: no planes, no vessels, no nothing? Lock the door of the good old USA and throw away the key? Your country as a perfectly isolated island on the globe?
Once again: read Edgar Allan Poe's "Masque of the Red Death". You want to keep Ebola out? You use the best possible expertise to study and defeat it. And you take care of your countrymen, who have proven to be far more courageous people than you or me will ever be.
I'm ready for my flack now, fellow ZH'ers. Make every arrow count.
The idiots in charge couldn't keep anthrax secure, but they want this crap here to "study"?
They can always build more hospitals. Study the crap in Gitmo, or Antarctica. Don't bring it home.
>>Don't bring it home.
Your assumption is that it's not already here.
21 days is a long time.
No need to make sure that it is here by intentionally bringing it here.
Lime disease too. There's a gem.
Lime disease too. There's a gem.
Take a look at a map showing the incidence of Lyme's disease. It's centered on a little island off the coast of CT. I wonder what "facility" is on that island?
What in the world do your comments have to do with actually importing this disease into the country? What? Are you kidding me? If the research must be done here (and I don't trust those bumbling fools at the CDC one iota), then fly some vials to research labs. Duh. You don't bring sick individuals and stick them into a public hospital which has ZERO experience with treating such live infections. You're insane.
The CDC has been studying Ebola from samples on US soil since the Zaire and Sudan outbreaks in the 70's. Just sayin'.
Those were hardly outbreaks and quickly contained. This time there is clearly a growing sense of urgency that sharpens the focus and could mobilize a lot of renowned specialists and expertise in very little time.
Looks Like "The Stand" wasn't actually a work of fiction, but a book of prophecy !!!
Thamonsma
Here are the facts about where they sent him:
Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, who will arrive in several days, will be treated in Emory's isolation unit for infectious diseases, created 12 years ago to handle doctors who get sick at the CDC, just up the hill. It is one of about four in the country, equipped with everything necessary to test and treat people exposed to very dangerous viruses.
In 2005, it handled patients with SARS, which unlike Ebola can spread when an infected person coughs or sneezes.
Normally when someome says something as asinine as “You don't bring sick individuals and stick them into a public hospital which has ZERO experience with treating such live infections. You're insane.” With nothing but a gut feeling to back it up they should be ignored, but you seem to want to convince everyone to panic. I’ve seen several statements to the effect they sent them to a motel or a hospital with no experience and it is simply not the case and doesn't stand up to reason. The truth, which I’m sure has no bearing on your thought process, is they are at a unit specifically designed to deal with this type of thing.
I have never been more disappointed in the ZH readership. I have always touted you as the most informed readership on the internet, I am not only questioning you all but my own judgment for thinking so.
Given the quality of your replies in this matter, it would be a shame to give up on the ZH community. You should stay and do your thing, I might learn a thing or two from you. And something tells me I won't be the only one.
An Ebola outbreak sure would fix runaway entitlement programs. Plus provide cover for a US default.
Short term spike upward, followed by 90 percent decrease due to mortality rate.
Does Israel have a secret vaccine for itself only?
Highly debtful. Is it me or do the posts you see on here just seem like scared sheep. When ZHers discuss economics they discuss the sheeple, but it feels like they are a bunch of pussies when confronted with a real world situation. Man up guys. Highly doubtful, you are right, this is a win win, the Dr Brantly gets the best care and researchers get a human patient to study with the most advanced medical facility at their disposal.
To answer your question: yes, this is the first time I raised my eyebrows around here. And yes, I think we're definitely on the same page as far as tackling the problem is concerned, both medically ánd morally. I did not expect us to be so hopelessly outnumbered which is somewhat depressing, given the subject. But then again, difference of opinion highlights the different angles and ZH should remain a fight club.
Who knows, bwh1214, maybe next time we'll be at each other's throats because I insist the European banking system is solid as a rock and you beg to differ.
Highly Debtful, Good points. I was just a bit disappointed because I normally agree with pretty much everyone on here. Disagreement is fine but not everyone is "right" and though the PC world would like to pretent that is the case to make everyone happy, there is always a most correct direction to follow. I am fine with different opinions but I don't want to coddle those who are wrong to the point where we don't do what's right. But then again even though we've had live ebola on our shores in a variety of hosts for the better part of a half century maybe I'm wrong and we should draw the line at people, I just don't see how that makes any sense.
Oh you’re so clever you called me an ass by capitalizing it in assume. You are a typical moron who has not done any research before posting and spout of whatever your gut tells you is stupid about an article or post. Do you know what notable entity is located in DeKalb County where Emory hospital is located? Oh what do you know its the CDC. Yes they took him to the Centers for Disease Control hospital, where they have been studying live Ebola for years in Bats and Monkeys.
Majority of down votes for implying it was safe to bring him home to a location that has been dealing with live virus for years. They brought him to a place that regularly deals with They brought him to the CDC for god sakes, Really. That proves to me that though you talk a tough game on here you are really a bunch of Pussies.
bwh1214,
And where, do tell, do you expect the viruses that come out of his body, in his bodily fluids, to go? He is bleeding, defecating, urinating, sweating and throwing up. These fluids are full of the virus. So... my guess, they are going to go down the drains, hopefully with lots of clorox, but, that goes right into the water treatment plants at the city and then into the Chattahooche.
The virus, which had not been in the America's, is now IN the America's. It may or may not survive for long in the sewage system, hospital pipes, drains, storage rooms, laundry. But, it is here, where it goes, is now a battle. Hopefully we will win and every single one of the viruses will be destroyed, but, if not...
They are risking ALL of our lives, perhaps a quite low risk, perhaps not. I think though, that if the virus excapes, that if anyone dies, then they should be charged with man-slaughter. Think about if, if, in my job, I made a decision that resulted in the deaths of others, I would be charged with man-slaughter, and, if this goes bad, so should they.
You raise excellent points. Let's bear in mind that this doctor became infected despite his expert knowledge in the disease and full containment clothing. There is zero room for error. Now where are they finding the nurses, the janitors, the support staff to deal with these two individuals? What's to say their "full containment" gear will work better than Dr. Brantley's??? And, yes, what becomes of all those fluids? Will the waste be 100% sterilized? Hell, these hospitals can't keep staph infections at bay completely.
Hopefully to a waste decontamination system before going to the municipal sanitary system. Probably every major city in the US has a research facility or two that handles hazardous biological agents. Many such labs will infect animals for research purposes.
I imagine that system works well for the most part but enough stories of errors (including some really toxic stuff being mishandled at Cal Tech) are sufficient warning about being too complacent or confident.
Killer Bees.
Agreed. I have designed these systems and put the operation and maintenance in the wrong hands and...
According to today's AJC (link is subscription only) Dr. Ribner of Emory is quoted as saying "medical waste coming out of the unit will be sterilized, but the patients' personal waste will go into the county sewage system just like any other patient's waste."
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/ebola-patients-pose-no-threat-officials-say...
Really? This entire episode is reckless.
That is crazy. It sould be autoclaved or otherwise sterilized.
Estrella- And where, do tell, do you think they took him. Hint hint DeKalb County is where the CDC is located. Yep, not surprisingly they took him to our most secure Biolevel safety level 4 facility in the country. They have been dealing with this virus and studying it their for years in bats and monkeys which is just as contagious as humans. Guess what, bats and Monkey's bleed and shit with the same contagion and they dispose of it safely all the time. Not to mention the dead bodies of these dead test specimens.
You talk tough on here but you are really just scared. Sure its a scary virus but they did not put your precious little life in danger by bringing him here. Pussy. This is not out of the ordinary to bring the Ebola virus to the US its just its a national story since it is a human, so you get your panties in a bunch, but I stand by my statement as a precaution the should quarantine the caregivers, probably a team of less the 10 for a month, problem solved.
This problem like so many others comes down to trust and quite frankly our government agencies and departments are at an all time low on integrity. Is now the time to test their readiness? I think not. If this virus gets out of control in our country as it could this government must be held accountable.
Everybody’s all… You have a good point there, but the CDC has been dealing with this virus at the CDC facility where they took him for years. The contagious aspect of this virus is no different in a monkey then it is in a human. If you read the stories about the US and Canadian companies that have government contracts to develop a vaccine you’ll notice things like “there have been promising results in monkey’s”. This research is being done in the US and Canada right as we speak and has been done for years. People are understandably fearful, but to base not bringing him home for treatment not even on scant information but gut reaction and presuming it adds a risk that has been here since the ‘80’s is just cowardice and though this word is rarely used correctly, ignorance.
I hope you're right. I'd add the ignorance is what scares me most and it's on both sides of the issue. All it takes is one slip up. I don't think this a matter of cowardice or lack of compassion by the general populace at all. It's just common sense which is usually lacking in today's America. To my way of thinking these people could and should have been taken care of in Africa.
If what you say is true will these human cases add to our knowledge base on Ebola? Could it introduce the possibility of it being spread in a newly unique way that we are unaware of currently and not yet acknowledging. You bet. I just do not see it being worth the risk.
Not to feed the paranoia, but you are incorrect. There are two BSL4 labs in Georgia, CDC and Georgia State. DHHS is setting the unhappy couple up in a motel across the street from the CDC BSL4 facility, as opposed to actually in the "safer" BSL4 facility (unless they're lying)... And I shouldn't need to point out the risks of having a delivery boy run across the open parking lot with ebola samples for lab analysis. Infectious diseases isn't even a specialty of Emory University Hospital...
Urban Redneck. I to may have been guilty of false assumptions, but after doing some research and realizing they took the infected to the same town that has the CDC I also assumed they are the ones facilitating the care. None of us have enough information to make full judgements so some assumption is necessary. Not to tie this back into our monetary system, but unlike the fed and federal government lying to us to maintain our monetary system, the CDC stands to gain nothing by not properly treating and handling these cases. I have seen nothing, in the very limited information that I have, that indicates they are shacked up in a motel, but for all we know they have converted the motel or a section of the hospital into essentially a BSL 4 facility. We just don't know, one thing we do know is the CDC has been dealing with Ebola on our soil for years, why, since it happens to be an infected human instead of an animal should the risks be any different barring us all giving a crap if the infected survive?
I found something I clearly wasn't aware of a few moments ago and perhaps should have been.. and that if correct, sheds some light, but also raises the exact same serious question. Of course the other option is that the Press Corps knows even less than we do, and is even more careless with critical details in a crisis than the disciples of Tom Ridge at CDC..
Why did the chicken cross the road?
EDIT - that's a later page in this same thread, not a different thread.
ATLANTA -- An American doctor infected with the Ebola virus in Africa arrived in Atlanta for treatment Saturday, landing at a military base, then being whisked away to one of the most sophisticated hospital isolation units in the country, officials say. A private plane outfitted with a special, portable tent designed for transporting patients with highly infectious diseases arrived at Dobbins Air Reserve Base, spokesman Lt. Col. James Wilson confirmed. Earlier, the Samaritan's Purse missionary group confirmed to CBS News that Dr. Kent Brantly is the patient. An ambulance from Atlanta's Grady Memorial Hospital left the base shortly after the jet landed and drove the 15 miles or so toward Emory University Hospital where Brantly and another aid worker will be treated. Later, aerial footage showed one person in white protective clothing from head to toe climb down from the back of the ambulance and a second person in the same type of hazmat-looking suit appeared to take his gloved hands and guide him toward a building at Emory. U.S. officials are confident the patients can be treated without putting the public in any danger. The ambulance with red markings was flanked by a few SUVs and a police car for the short trip to the hospital along a wide-open Interstate with no traffic.
That is consistent with what I found in the other thread.
So now the questions are:
Where is Jamie Dimon's secret Hotlanta tunnel?
Or are the crack Monty Python impersonators of the CDC using the Flying Circus to transport ebola samples to lab for analysis?
Who knows WHO was just spirited into Atlanta, from whence they came or why.
For all We really know Osama Bin Laden is being treated in a private facility near Atlanta tonight...
Ya got to look at the bright side of this, the Ebola virus will wipe out all the brain eating amoebas in the Chattahoche, so at least we got that going for us !!!
Humans are so stupid
Yes, but also pathological and diabolical.
This is what your owners want you to think, although I agree with you :)
The difference with Ebola is that it doesn't need an ass injection to get it.
Imagine the shock when you see blood and other fluids pouring out of every oriface of his body all at once.
Morons, idiots, and govt bureaucrats.
Are those synonyms?
Patient Zeros. Just a single infection beyond these two will generate a panic we have no experience in.
"According to Reuters, “more than 100 health workers” that have been fighting Ebola in Africa have contracted the virus themselves. Considering the extraordinary measures that these health workers take to keep from getting the disease, that is quite chilling. We are not just talking about one or two “accidents”. We are talking about more than 100 of them getting sick. If Ebola is spreading this easily among medical professionals in biohazard body suits that keep any air from touching the skin, what chance are the rest of us going to have if this virus gets out into the general population?"
This is what has been bothering me ever since the Doctor became sick and we finally found out about it.
extraordinary measures my ass. most people are not very careful and their hubris becomes their downfall. the conditions in African medical facilities are atrocious and any infections of ebola should be compared against other infections. without context, your hysterical paranoia is not credible. you must use valid statistical analysis or you're just a mindless peon.
how many doctors get TB, cholera, flu, et cetera? without those numbers, your ebola infection numbers are useless!!
Had to log in just to respond to your idiocy. Those other diseases you mentioned aren't 90% (at least) fatal, are they, you moron ? We also know exactly how they are spread and have medications to treat them. Lets just not do anything until we have "valid statistical analysis", Ok? In the meantime we have a few west africans who are going to stay in your spare bedroom for a few weeks. I'm sure thats fine with you, right?
"you must use valid statistical analysis or you're just a mindless peon."
OK then. What is the statistical chance of an aircraft developing problems and crash landing in a populated area?
It's not ZERO, is it? Not even close.
This is why containment must NEVER be violated. The potential for massive deaths from this is simply too great. These people went to Africa knowing the risks. They were not uneducated. If they are true humanitarians, they would never consent to risk others.
Viruses don't value Political Correctness. They do not discriminate. All they do is replicate in a host available to them. It is a sad state of affairs when we refuse to face simple facts.
Miffed;-)
This has to be very demotivating for you miffed.
I don't think you want job security this way.
Winston, I am bordering on depression on this one, Ebola may be the proverbial straw.
I had gone into this field deluded. I was going to help others. Over the years I have come to realize I am merely part of a great machine using sickness as a cash flow. This reality has been hard for me to face. In truth, it would be wise just to revel in the fact my job is in demand and I have some semblance of security ( for the moment). Unfortunately for who I am, this is difficult. I have fantasies just running away and living as a hermit.
Miffed;-)
Miffed, unlike many others on this planet you have the strength and integrity to behave and feel like an emotionally healthy human being. I know almost nothing about your field, but understand completely where you are coming from in that post.
You can be my neighbor, miffed. If I were in a small community where ebola broke out, I would want a tell-it-like-it-is depressed microbiologist giving us advice rather than a government bureacrat trying to sweep things under the rug.
But that's just me.....most people want to be told lies so they can sleep soundly.
CDC Director Ben Bernanke says mutant Ebola from hell is contained.
There are many professions where initial idealism
is soon replaced by depressing reality.
One of 'em is called life.
For now, I have water to share if things get too hot.
We've all been deluded. I was in communications. Look how they've perverted what used to be a potential life saver to a voyeuristic money making potential for the prison industrial complex.
TPTB have perverted everything for manna.
Infecting a broad swath of the US with Ebola is the only way (in some sick twisted minds) to get sufficient dollar and research focus on an African plague.
That's what they did with aids.
Who is "they"?
Gay people?
Conspiracy history says AIDS was created as a Bio-weapon in the United States,
and then sent to Africa intentionally as the ground zero.
"They" are the same fucking psychopaths who are bringing ebola-infected patients into the US.
NO. AIDS was found in africans with sickle cell anemia in the 1950's. it was mutated. it was meant to kill black people, it spread to gay people, gay people werent' the intended victims. that said, sad and sorry but there were no CIA regrets there either.
HIV was found in surgical tissue samples in a London teaching hospital.
The patients died in the 1930's.
Its been around a long time, and was never properly diagnosed.
Thats not to say it was not modified into a bio weapon later.
here's some "conspiracy history" for you:
and
I've been watching this particular specimen for years now, and he just goes from strength to strength.
Quite the hero is our Ron. . .
meet me in chat?
It begins with the delusion that we(they) know so much. Scientific curiosity, while admirable, of late has zero respect for chaos, incompleteness, uncertainty, and indeterminacy. Yet there they are confidently cackling away as if we're discussing cannonballs and feathers.
I understand the system theoretic interest in evaluating the genetic performance envelope that these viruses present (ostensibly to calculate pandemic risk), but it doesn't follow that deliberately mutating these things to measure that capability is necessary to get that information. Surely this well-intentioned researcher has heard of simulation? They're doing wonderful things these days with biological modeling.
These idiots tend to defend their objectives with probabilistic arguments against anything adverse occurring. The trouble is, as far as I know risk has to be multiplied by the consequence of a harmful event to make any logical decisions about any course of action. I'd hate to be the insurer for this guy's university. On second thought he's probably already indemnified by the USG.
if you do a thorough search on Dr. Ron, you'll find that he's been "entertained" globally for his dedication. . .most of the science boys are "global" but do degrees in amrka, the better to be "co-opted" and embraced by their "peers".
science runs with who pays 'em, always follow the monies, eh.
stay smart!
"...when we refuse to face simple facts."
The prog philosophy and its MO laid bare. This fiasco is a prize example of the only genuine form of stupidity:
they that know so much that just isn't so.
If they are true humanitarians, they would never consent to risk others.
Miffed. You are right.
They may not have made any volitional choice whatsoever. In fact most likely they made no choice about it at all. They are probably so out of it, because of the fever, that they have no clue as to their current location.
They'd be incensed if they knew. They will be incensed as you if they live through this. They know the rules of containment.
I know that you know that it is the case.
Do not blame these Doctors.
This is ALL POLITICAL and was done by the officials inside of the Obama Administration. They are Political Pawns, easily exploited in their state.
I understand your Miffed ness over the princple/excuse that was used to bring them back.
Compassionate grounds or rights of return lies are all propaganda. They just make up the rules as they go along.
-and now its here and I will NEVER believe it was an accident.
The public are split into for and against camps easily. Hardly any effort applied. The masses are easy, msm captured.
Sure EBOLOBAMA let it happen. As any president in power would have done if directed by his handlers.
These sick individuals only gave a (dying) request, as most would if faced with the same events. I don't think they may have had a choice imo. Infected pawns.
oswalds.
The question should be asked, WHY?
They just make up the rules as they go along
The whole charade with the sick doctor walking out of the ambulance looked fake as an Obama dollar bill. I had a minor injury that my wife called an ambulance for. The medics insisted I get on the stretcher and would not let me walk to the ambulance. Now when this disease is spread in the U.S. everyone will blame the caregivers as stupid and not even consider that it was criminally released and spread.
The "health care workers" should have used protection while they were "examining" the patients.
I see what you did there.
Yup. I was not paying much attention to this story until I saw the reports of doctors and other health care workers being infected. Something is up and I would want to find out what that something is, before giving the virus a plane ride.
I don't understand why everyone keeps saying the doctors in Africa are in full biohazard suits. If you look at the pictures from Africa they are wearing plastic coveralls with duct taped wrists and home depot dust mask with another plastic layer taped to their heads.
This ego trip by the US docs at the CDC that want a crack at this virus in their own labs could be the death of us all. "They deserve the highest level of care" my ass. We are up to our eyeballs in sick people needling care already, we don't need to import more. "Right to return"? sounds like Zionist medicine to me.
"Right to return"? sounds like Zionist medicine to me.
the Doc was probably Jewish
TRY
JUST TRY
and get back in the US from Kanada & tell the customs agents at the border you have the "right of return" when you had your ID stolen in Kanada
They will laugh at you
No, that won't cut it. My instinct tells they're high level CIA assets instead.
they're christian volunteers - there are huge numbers of them sent from amrka to spread the pharma globally, foundations exempt from paying their .gov tithes, but certainly supplied with zeal and medicines. just ask Bill Gates. . .
really, all history is tied to the "missionaries" - and they've always had ties to the State, hmmm.
This isnt't as contagious as the hysterical media will have you believe. Remember swine flu? Bird flu? H1N1? This would be the fifth apocalypse in five years if you listened to the media.
US researchers are in the best position to find a cure so we are ready should this virus spread or be weaponized.
Load of crap
where would medicine be if all polio, TB, HIV, syphillis, rabies (!!!) patients were just deported to a remote island or planet? burying your head in the sand won't protect you. there have been many diseases with high mortality rates that have been conquered by medicine for the benefit of all humanity.
For the benefit of big pharma.
Thank you, Mr Potato for your helpful analysis. Where can I get a vial of this Ebola so I can contribute to this humanitarian project? I can't wait to get started.
Oh wait a minute, you were describing finding a cure...
Last I checked, there is no cure for most of those (save syphillis) and we still define the Mid-Atlantic states area as a rabies epidemic.
Some believe the cure for syph is a lie and that it lies simmering, presenting as something else, wrongfully diagnosed.
If Syphillis is caught early then it can be knocked out. If it is not then it is incurable and will ultimately kill the host.
Syphillis is a Spirochete. Spirochetes are Great Mimics They have the ability to become Stealth Operatives in a host.
Syphillis is just too much like Lyme Disease.
What are you even talking about? This is ebola. There is no cure. There is no treatment. Avoiding infection is not burying your head in the sand. You are the one with your head buried in the sand.
Actually, there is currently one method of treatment,
a blood transfusion from a Ebola survivor with working anti-bodies to kill the Ebola virus.
Unfortunately, there are very few survivors with enough blood to use for transfusions to the people who are dying.
I read that the American doctor in Africa was given one blood transfusion from one Ebola survivor that the doctor had previously treated, by way of thanks for the doctor's work for the survivor.
Whether it was helpful in this case, too soon to know.
I hope English is your second language or maybe you have the intelligence of a potato. These diseases have not been " conquered" by any stretch of the imagination. Many of what you cited have made an extraordinary comeback in recent years despite modern technology. MDROs are everywhere now and soon will be the norm rather than exception. Be happy in your ignorance if it gives you so much solace.
Miffed;-)
You are an idiot!
your brain is starched.
dr Rib gonna get then give to his family and so on then what the fuck. hate it for Atlanta and glad I am prepared to stay home for a while. They're rights ended when they got exposed with Ebola. if it were me I would have stayed put but I am not a selfish inconsiderate prick. fuck him
What concerns me is that this doc's family members were permitted to fly home days in advance of his arrival here, and they were given only the slightest restrictions when they returned home. The incubation period is 21 days, but these people were instructed only to report if they felt any symptoms. Plain stupidity is an insufficient scientific explanation for this behavior.
Exactly. eboli is here b/c they want it here. now to get the emory night janitor directions down the road to ICE...
Compassion for the idiot that took his family over there, knowing it was already a dangerous third world country, and then involved himself with a highly deadly and contagious disease? How about COMPASSION for the American people he could potentially infect and wipeout. How about rational thought and even some common sense. These "save the world" CULTS, whether secular-political or religious, are full of head cases.
Aren't there currently a lot of boat people from W Africa washing up on the shores of southern Europe? Ahh yes, and the compassionate EU is making sure to spread the misery evenly in all EU member nations. Who would have seen this coming?
Jean Raspail.
Do you know how expensive family vacations are these days?
Blazed
B R A V O ! ! !
Any word on his wife and kids NOT under quarantine in Abilene TX?
Last I read, they were on "fever watch".
wtf are they here for????
Fever watch. Weren't you paying attention?
Anyone want to start a fever pool? I bet $5 a rectal temp exceeds 101 on August 16 between 8-9pm! Plenty of slots left.
Here's what the Houston hub looks like. (I assume that's where flights to Abilene are routed.)
http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/aero/virtual/demo/research/tutorial/images/12r...
Bravo, Marty. That covers just about every line of longitude in the US. Can you say 'vector'? Yes well, our overtasked .guv had so many more important subjects to tackle than to be concerned about protecting the nettlesome rights of its citizens. Of course, it is the height of summer, and the bureaucracy does need its time to rest and reflect on all the good it's done.
When the United States Government starts talking about "compassion", the same government that's directly or indirectly killed over a million people in the last 10 years, you better sit up and take notice. I believe it's actions in repatriating Dr. Brantly and Ms. Writebol (God bless them both) are criminal in nature, and we can expect to see an outbreak of Ebola in America.
Yeah, but this bullshit story plays well on Tee Vee
I'm thinking its here already, and will be named the V.Putin strain of ebola.
Yeah. You know something? I can actually see a statement like the following.
"After careful and considerable study of this strain we have determined that this strain was lab created in Russia.
"This weaponized strain was released upon the innocent people of Africa for Biological Warfare testing. Had we not brought over these victims, who have valiantly risked their own safety, over to the USA, where the most modern of research facilities exist, we would have not been capable of making this important finding."
"It is our understanding that Putin's Government has violated the Bioweapons treaties and Human Rights of the people of Africa in this deplorable action."
"WE would NEVER lie to you"
Hugs,
Your honorable Center for Disease Control.
Great way to kill conservative southerners while providing cover for both a US Treasury default and a request for UN oversight.
"the reason we are bringing these patients back to our facility is because we feel they deserve to have the highest level of care..."
alternative hypothesis
"we want to isolate lots of virus from a lot of infected patients - together with our minions in Hamburg- in order to ...."
add your own continuation.
Capt. Tripps....... Paging Capt. Tripps.....
You got to it first ... so who's the 'Man in Black'? Can't be the moron O.
He's not dead yet and the longer he stays alive the more chance of him surviving with a body full of working antibodies.
They don't want him back because of compassion, they want him back for medical research (and he won't be the one doung the research)
I guess sending him to Plum Island would have been just a bit too obvious.
Why? Isn't that where it originated from?
You got it.
If he survives, they will kill him for his antibodies , All that weaponoized ebola they
aleady have stored ,that they cannot use without a vaccine for the MIC, and TPTB.
Ascribing good motives for Uncle Scams motives is a fools errand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment
"We work for the Federal government, and we're here to help."
In the thread above, I mentioned that I had read that the American doctor
was given a blood transfusion from a Ebola survivor,
in order to get workng anti-bodies against Ebola.
Presumably every survivor has those type of anti-bodies effective against Ebola.
"they want him back for medical research "
All of which could be done on a properly equipped ship anchored off the coast of Africa.
It's not like they didn't have time to prepare. Ebola's been around for at least 30 years, and it keeps popping up, not to mention other serious diseases that should use the same approach.
For God's sake, if Greenpeace can keep a ship at sea, then surely the combined resources of the first world nations could manage it as well.
Just the act of flying an ebola patient to anywhere is patently insane. The plane crashes in a populated area, and then what?
Movie script idea! Ebola victim heads back to the States in biohazard-gear equipped plane. Plane crashes in remote area of Georgia.
Considering it was a government operation they probably dumped the sewage hold soon as they were feet dry over U.S. soil.
Nuke Atlanta, Africa, and anything else that starts with "A"
The Dingos would not appreciate being nuked.
The Australian public was only too happy to let those British cunts nuke us a few times...Oh wait, we didn't really have a fucking choice in the matter because our cocksucking monarchist Liberal Party were only too happy to bend over for the Crown.
The dingos are still there. The indiginous population that lived on the test sites are not.