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Ebola Deaths Go Exponential; Nigeria Demands Experimental Drug From US, Saudi Death First In Arab World
The official Ebola death toll is now at 932 with over 1,700 reported cases but as the WHO reports, in the last 48 hours, deaths and cases have exploded (48 and 108 respectively). As the charts below show, this epidemic is going exponential. What is perhaps most worrisome is, while playing down the threat in Nigeria (most especially Lagos - which the CDC Director is "deeply concerned" about), officials have formally asked the US for the experimental Ebola drug, which suggest things are far worse than the 3 deaths reported so far in Nigeria would suggest. Finally, as we warned yesterday, Saudi Arabia is suffering too as the main who was hospitalized yesterday with symptoms has died - the first reported casualty in the Arab world.
It is the world's deadliest outbreak to date and has centred on Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
Eight people are currently in quarantine in Nigeria, Africa's most populous country, and two have died there.
The Saudi man died after showing Ebola symptoms when he returned from a business trip to Sierra Leone, the Saudi health ministry said.
The Ebola outbreak has gone exponential...
Cases...
Deaths...
And then there is this...
- *NIGERIA FORMALLY REQUESTS EXPERIMENTAL EBOLA DRUG FROM U.S.
- *NIGERIA HEALTH MINISTER IN TOUCH WITH U.S. CDC DIRECTOR
Nigerian Health Minister Onyebuchi Chukwu has sent request to director of U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, he tells reporters in capital, Abuja.
“We have been in communication in the last 36 hours”
“We are getting reports that the experimental drug seems to be useful”
Which suggests things are far more serious in Nigeria than officials are letting on. As The BBC reports,
But it is not clear if the ZMapp drug, which has only been tested on monkeys, can be credited with their improvement.
Prof Peter Piot, who co-discovered Ebola in 1976, Prof David Heymann, the head of the Centre on Global Health Security, and Wellcome Trust director Prof Jeremy Farrar said there were several drugs and vaccines being studied for possible use against Ebola.
"African governments should be allowed to make informed decisions about whether or not to use these products - for example to protect and treat healthcare workers who run especially high risks of infection," they wrote in a joint statement.
The WHO, "the only body with the necessary international authority" to allow such experimental treatments, "must take on this greater leadership role", they said.
As CDC's Director warned...
Deeply concerned about Ebola spread in Lagos, Nigeria. Urgent emergency response needed.
— Dr. Tom Frieden (@DrFriedenCDC) August 5, 2014
A Saudi man, who was hospitalized for suspected Ebola infection, died on Wednesday.
The man, in his 40s, had returned recently to Jeddah from a business trip to Sierra Leone, the Health Ministry said on Tuesday. He was admitted to hospital on Monday and showed symptoms of Ebola virus infection.
His death marks the first reported casualty of the Ebola epidemic in the Arab world and comes as an emergency World Health Organization summit was being held in Geneva to discuss measures to tackle the epidemic.
And finally - some humor from Michael Ramirez at Investors.com
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How do you fight a war on terror while leaving your borders wide open? I know, rhetorical, oxymoronic question...
Send the TSA to the borders.
such a point, but clearly you can vote all you want to close the borders but if tptb want them open and a mega huge highway/rail/pipe complex from mex to canada fuhgetaboutit! Go ahead vote for it again, see what happens again.
wonder if you could
grow the antibody
in cannabis plants
Only if you give the cannabis plants what they crave.
And you know what plants crave...
Hot Dang!
I knew all that crap about tobacco being bad for your health was BS!
Signed,
R.J. Reynolds
Winston-Salem, North Carolina
Requires a plant virus,
such as the tobacco plant virus, genetic modified.
Why not simply isolate a small amount (nanograms) of the protein antibody, clone it and amplify it using standard methods? You know, the old monoclonal antibody trick we've been using to make antibodies for everything under the sun for the last decade or so.
Depends upon who else you're sealing in your house with. A few months of being sealed in with certain family members might drive a person to want the virus.
Has anybody heard the effects of Collodial or Ionic Silver on Ebola?
I've read that it can kill Ebola, along with just about any other virus.
Forsythia is the cure.
No, really, it's Tulips.
Silver is anti-bacterial.
Ebola is a virus.
If that doesn't get the message across, you need to do more reading, re: viruses and bacteria.
Hint: Its your immune system that will have to fight Ebola. So get lots of Vit. C, selenium, sun shine, and exercise.
I've ready that Silver is also anti-viral.
You’re all wrong- here’s what cures Ebola:
Brawndo-It’s_got_electrolytes
Hydrogen Peroxide?
Banned by the TSA as an explosive.
you are incorrect. Silver is both anti-bacterial and anti-viral.
Looks like you are the one that needs to do more reading. ;)
Sure, it works. Unforunately, it requires concentrations that are lethal to humans. Also, it turns you as blue as a Smurf.
Well, then haul your ass over to that "temple" from the earlier story about hindi gold and tell those motherfuckers you're there to make a withdrawal, Vishnu!
response:
Stop spreading disinformation. Silver was used in the medical field as a treatment up until the 'patent' of penicillin as a medicine. They could not patent silver as a treatment. Stop spreading disinformation.
So can bleach.
I'm banking on 12 yr old Scotch.
Been building up my resistance every night for a couple years now.
From what I've read, the silver concoctions are only effective against bacterial infections, not against viruses.
Vitamin C is what's being touted against the Ebola virus, with the silvers for any secondary infections you may survive to receive.
Its going Viral!
Almost Solvent said: "Tyvek & Duct Tape people! Get ahead of this now! A few months sealed in your house will be much better than frickin' Ebola!"
Assuming the power grid stays up, a negative ion generator might be helpful as well.
http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Grade-Plug-In-Adjustable-Ionic-Purifier/dp/B005E1CW9W
Might be good for repelling the police gestapo thinking about breaking into your home in the middle of the night...
That's the proper expansion rate for something this virulent. Big time geometric.
The way this shit used to be handled... and it worked... was to cordon off the area, nobody in or out, let everybody simply die off and then torch the remnants.
Otherwise, that graph's exponential growth becomes "somewhat problematic".
Like Sierra Leone sending in troopies... grand idea... more carriers...
#fuckingidiotsforclowardpivenandthenewworldorder
leper colonies. "Bow to leper messiah!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm71Khu5-Lk
FFS Knucks, this is the same data as yesterday (and the day before) presented in a "new" article by the BBC. August 1, 2014 via WHO, to be exact.
If you want to rehash this data and get all exponential-ly this link is pretty interesting:
http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/08/04/ebola-outbreak-continues-pr...
PS - No arrow, green or red, from me. It is what it is.
It's not nice to criticize a lactating male.
(: agreed, but we do have to have something to piss and moan about, because there is after all, nothing that we can do about anything, anymore, nor ever could except in our delusions, but ourselves... that and have as much sick twisted fun as possible :)
Relax... Africa is an island.
They don't win many gold medals for swimming over there...
True dat. Air transport to West Africa shutting down in 5,4,3...
Might matter if Obarry hadn't stabbed us in the back.
Hold that line, Hotlanta, hold that line.
Didn't all those folks just visit the White House?
Might need a "stay in place" order for Martha's Vineyard. Long Chem-dry!
Might open up lots of commercial airspace for next year's drone integration. Skynet always finds a way.
Yep, it was immediate quarantine under pain of summary execution, followed immediately by physically sealing up the home with all family members inside.
There was also a few days' quarantine period for all travelers entering cities and towns, outside the gates of course, in case any were infected but not symptomatic yet.
However,such measures did not work, they failed completely, mostly because no one had the slightest idea about germ theory and contagion.
The only thing that worked was immediately bugging out to your remote and isolated villa for a few years.
No wonder they're throwing their dead out in the street.
You city folks are fucked.
We tortured and killed some folks.
Obama.
Probably easy to avoid even in a city. Provided I guess that ebola isn't airborne yet. If it is then yeah pretty much we're screwed.
The data do not suggest an aerosol transmission. Number of infected people would be much higher. Of course we may need another week or so to see what is really happening in Lagos and other cities.
More interesting to watch death rate as infection spreads. Currently 55% or so, will it burn out, will it go nuclear, will it keep going and make (continued) life a coin toss?
Not sure I'm investing in a P100 mask at this point, but maybe just to put it on eBay.
If it ever goes full-blown out in Chi-town, I'll keep reporting for as long as I am able.
The passenger at Heathrow that died, they had the results back in a couple of hours Fonz.
What you don't know can't hurt you.Thats why they don't put geiger counters on
Japanese seafood anymore.
See, a problem ignored, is a problem solved.
Worked with TBTF.
So far ........
It would be criminal if the CDC did not divulge cases of ebola in the US and where they are... Although I can hear their response now about not wanting to create a panic... FFS, if there are cases in my city I want to know about it!!!!!
As per Hillary: "What difference do it make now"?
They are still reading the ACA and trying to figure out if they can tie their shoes or not.
Rules and all.
Regards,
Cooter
I saw reports that the test were, indeed, negative.
Were you lying then, or you lying now ?
60% of the US population doesn't believe a word this govt. says.
Please let there be a great culling of progressives. There are too many of them.
My dear sir, a virus is no respecter of persons and cares nothing for politics. It will cull an equal percentage of good conservatives, libertarians and independents.
Wealthy people may have some advantage ...
TPTB Zionists ....
Bat dinners.
Don't swap saliva with a corpse that died of it.
Manbearpig.
Hey $ Bill - in the case of the Saudi I'll give odds that the vector was "fluids" from a little boy prostitute in Sierra Leone. The kind Saudis prefer, dontcha know.
Only a billion people in Africa, lions kill more than ebola
are you an anchor on MSNBC?
Blood and bodily fluids, with the potential to ride in sputum brought forth during coughing and such. Not a viroligist, but what I have gleaned thus far. Of course, this will somehow get spun for the betterment of the Establishment, if not part of the plan already. I haven't seen enough prudent information, would have to dig back through to 1976 and 77' Journal of Medicine to find out the base discussion and extrapolate from there.
Cheers,
How does a Scotsman find a sheep in tall grass?
Very sexy ;)
We'll sell you the serum. It costs 1,000 barrels per dose. Pay up bitchez!
So, in our infinite wisdom, we choose to bring infected citizens into the U.S. vs. sending the treatment to Africa to keep it isolated.
Am I missing a common sense thought here? It's like we're suppose to contract it.
Chalk up another one for the USSA.
Take my calculations with a grain of salt, I am ony the best fucking analyst around here.
Taking near patient zero, one P. Sawyer (Patrick, not the more notable Pine Saywer of the Michodamus beetle family which has fuck all to do with this as of now), 14 patients have been quarantined post his death. Of those, 8 are showing symptoms and 1 is confirmed newly ebola wealthy.
Whether you go with the 8 or the 14 makes no difference really. Vector extrapolated against incubation period and dispersion provides for 100% global exposure ("OhFuck">7 billion) at 18-26 weeks. Meaning everyone but me and my tribe of cannibals in the seychelles will have breathed a little in by Superbowl Sunday 2015.
If it's 14 per incident that's closer to Thanksgiving of this year. Closer to 1 and it only buys about 3 more months. Exponential growth curve bitchez, it's the last double that pays for your lunch or eats it.
Good luck, half of you are going to be dead in a few months, keep stacking them stacks they will look fabulous on your tombstone. The other half of you will live, you'll just be shitting blood out of your eyesockets for a few weeks. I'm on the next boat out of this hellhole in progress.
(Edit- Note I said BOAT. DO NOT go to the airport.)
That's the bitch in the whole equation. No-one has any idea whatsoever. Ebola just erupts, anywhere, any time. There's no common factor, no common vector.
< Agenda 21.
< Nothing to worry about.
The average family will save $2500 under my Ebola funeral plan
If they like their ebola they can keep their elbola. If they don't like their ebola, tough shit, they can still keep it.
"You'd like access to our Ebola Serum? Well, we can figure something out I'm sure. Exxon would like to discuss potential soultions to a problem they are having. Should we set up a meeting to see if we could find a mutually beneficial solution?"
What a bunch of ingrates, can't they see that Dear Leader is on vacation?
Obama knows nothing about Ebola. He's heard nothing, said nothing, done nothing.
That's his story and he's sticking with it.
edit: I had a typo - stinking with it - that works better.
He knows about it. He saw it on the news last night along with everyone else.
I'm still waiting to see how he will use this against 52% of the country.
"I tired to stop Ebola, but with a congress determined to block any of my actions, because they don't like me- well, I cannot do anything else to help. Maybe you should call your local representative and let them know what you think, or organize with your friends for the next election. Come November we all need to remember who is responsible for Ebola."
We already know who is responsible, I don't even have to link it anymore (although I will update it soon or write up another):
President Ebola
They STILL (to my knowledge) have not said who authorized the decision to let the two sick Americans in. Dr. Friedman? President Ebola? Who?
You know I love you dude but I gotta question this one...
People do what they want to unless someone stops them. It has to occur to Obama to stop this. If he was not told, or if he is just kind of passive and listening to those around react and advise because they are "expert" and he is not, I just don't see pinning this one one him. Said in other words he may just be another vapid, blue pill swallowing, cool-aid drinker on this.
Once the teleprompter goes blank the puppet goes to sleep.
Once the puppet master cuts the strings, you mean.
Supposedly, "the Buck stops here", in the White House Oval Orifice.
Obama killed the dollar?
Regards,
Cooter
MsCreant--
Ignorance is no excuse-- if he didn't know he should have---
Senators that become Presidents are notoriously "hand on" ---they have their fingers in every pie--thats why things go so wrong when one of them is the boss---they tend to micromanagement ----He knows all about this and made the decision himself.
Well said. Some "mistakes" you don't make, like giving the kids a rattle snake to play with, because they want a pet.
The risk/reward here should have been off anyone's frigging chart. At this point, I don't care if he is evil and/or cirminally insane. Fool has to go.
I'm going to say uncle to you both on this. I do not think he is the real decider. I get it, that does not matter, he is part of the problem.
I was never wanting to keep em. Just so you are clear. I can't express how sorry I am that he is what we came up with. Either the majority is stupid, the whole thing is rigged, or no good person would step forward to lead under these conditions.
The main problem in Africa is because they didn't implement ObamaCare like the USA. /Sarc
OBama wasn't in Africa pushing ACA---he was pushing for legalizing homosexual behavior-----Africans ain't going for it--last time around he shut his mouth about it cause the African gov'ts told him to shut up--
Of course Obama was pushing Africa to legalize homosexual behavior in Africa.
Obama is an AIDS infested African fag.
He has the best doctors, drugz, make-up and cameramen money can buy, and even they can't hide his physical deterioration.
It can't be stress, golf and private jet travel 365 simply doesn't do that to people.
They're all waiting to see how all this settles out before they start pointing fingers, or taking credit.
Election year and all that, you know.
Not till the weekend. At the moment he is probably hard at work bullshitting some other losers from Africa.
That's right, I forgot that the DC African conference was this week. I suppose he's busy extorting vaccine in exchange for the buying of treasuries.
What? They going to buy T-Bills with play money? (Well why not - the Fed does it.)
Nigeria = new Belgium
How's attendance at the Bat exhibits at your local zoo?
Another day on ZH, another fear mongering article.
If the exponential infection rate of this outbreak holds, November is going to be one hell of a month.
See: https://sixdegreesnorthdotme.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/ebola_graph.png
. . . and draw your projection.
Compare with Gaza: (2000 / 1.5M) vs. (932 / 20M). Where would you rather be?
Gaza, but only if I'm part of Hamas. They seem to be fairing pretty well. Its just the innocent civilians that seem to be getting the crap knocked out of them.
https://i.imgur.com/WEvkgYU.jpg
So the pic says: "Syrian children"
*heavy sarcasm follows*
Also, how dare those kids act as a human shield? They are endangering themselves and should know better.
Yeah, Israel targeting only Hamas. See, when you are really careful, 500 lbs bombs have zero blast radius.
Just sayin, Hamas survival rate seems better than your regular Palestinian. I would never suggest that Hamas is anything but angelic in their endeavors. They are but the hand of Allah, smiting their enemies, right?
Ask that same question in three months.
Yeah brilliant but just compare numbers in a couple of months and then decide where you want to be.
No chance that Israeli bombing of Gaza will become exponential until eternity.
Lee
Head over to huffpo dude, there's probably all kinds of feel good stories you can read aboot. Then you can checkout your local rag....haaretz:-)
I came here for cat videos! WTF!?!
Grumpy cat is regretting his fondness for bush meat.
Sorry, no cat videos. How about a nice bear video instead?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDw1e02IvtI
Yeah, par for the course JLee.
No mention that it takes a certain threshold of virus particles to actually be infected. Just one isn't going to do it, folks. But no, that would be *gasp* talking calmly and logically about things.
While I question the decision to bring those patients back, it isn't like the damn thing is going to go airborne. If it had, you'd be seeing the results already, believe me - on the order of, your neighbor is suddenly sick, and maybe your kid/spouse/whatever.
You sure as hell wouldn't be sitting here and posting on ZH.
I want to get behind this line of thinking for my own sanity, but the doctors that were infected took every procaution imaginable and were still infected. That does not sit well with me. I don't think the doctors there are having promiscuous sex with the locals or going out to eat at the local bush meat establishment, but maybe I'm wrong.
This line of thinking is certainly of concern. What about the common sense idea that the folks who treat this thing are physically present in the same room with the disease much more than the rest of us? In other words they have to roll the dice regarding exposure much more than the average homo sapien.
I am not poo pooing how serious this is. I just want to be hysterical about the right things!!!
The radio dude where I am is being sure to tell people that the doctors who contracted this and were flown to Atlanta did NOT have protective gear on and that is why they got it. This is after some caller asked how they are getting ebola with protective gear on.
I am asking how either one of them knows for sure what the hell happened.
I can't speak for Writebol but we know that is 100% nonsense for Brantley. There are pictures of him from over there at work all over the web and he is always fully suited with taped sleeves. Hmm, why would a radio personality say something like that, when it is so demonstrably false?
Nobody with any medical/epidemiological training who has been educated about Ebola is going to intentionally contact an infected person without full protective gear and decontamination support.
Also, there is no way all of these health care workers are the victims of accidental needle-sticks or suit ruptures. . .
Absolutely correct, IMHO. Too many fatal mishaps.
" I don't think the doctors there are having promiscuous sex with the locals ...." Why would you write that?
Sexually transmitted Ebola, is why.
The thing that I find most disturbing is that the healthcare workers knew they were dealing with a notoriously deadly virus, and likely took appropriate precautions, but still approximately 100 of them became infected. If this strain of ebola can only be spread through direct contact with a good portal of entry (ie. cut, mouth, etc.), then those infected would have to be incredibly careless to contract it.
Unlike most, I have provided direct care for patients with a wide variety of communicable diseases (HIV, hepatitis, shingles, C. difficile, TB, etc.) for over 18yrs, with only gowns, masks, gloves, and hand washing to protect me. I remain disease free after all these years. Are we to believe that those doctors, nurses, etc. were that careless?
There are two types of airborn virus vectors, wet, and dry. One is fine droplet as in a sneeze, but in theory loose dry virus strands floating in the air by themselves either after the droplet has evaporated or by being stirred up from an already dried state can also be a vector. Scary if that is the case with the infected health care workers. If this is the case what is the filter size needed for this virus.
This disease has been notorious for infecting healthcare workers since it first came to the awareness of WHO and the CDC. I don't believe the mechanism of infection in this instance is fully understood.
MDs took appropriate precautions? Really?
You mean the kind (of Space Suits) that the CDC uses for this kind of virus?
Didn't think so. How do YOU spell "Hubris"?
If the virus can only be spread by bodily fluids why have so many doctors (and nurses) contracted it?
Very possible it has mutated and can be caught through aerosol transmission (cough/sneeze).
The mutation would take time to be confirmed; meanwhile, inbound flights from Africa daily.
My Daughter lives near the D.C. area, I'm not too happy about 50 African Heads of State and their entourages being hosted in D.C. this week.
http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121115/srep00811/full/srep00811.html
Ebola viruses (EBOV) cause often fatal hemorrhagic fever in several species of simian primates including human. While fruit bats are considered natural reservoir, involvement of other species in EBOV transmission is unclear. In 2009, Reston-EBOV was the first EBOV detected in swine with indicated transmission to humans. In-contact transmission of Zaire-EBOV (ZEBOV) between pigs was demonstrated experimentally. Here we show ZEBOV transmission from pigs to cynomolgus macaques without direct contact. Interestingly, transmission between macaques in similar housing conditions was never observed. Piglets inoculated oro-nasally with ZEBOV were transferred to the room housing macaques in an open inaccessible cage system. All macaques became infected. Infectious virus was detected in oro-nasal swabs of piglets, and in blood, swabs, and tissues of macaques. This is the first report of experimental interspecies virus transmission, with the macaques also used as a human surrogate. Our finding may influence prevention and control measures during EBOV outbreaks.
Obviously nothing to see here - carry on.
The current strain has 97% homology with Ebola Zaire, which was used in that study.
If folks aren't immensely concerned with the findings of that study - they need to read it again and try and understand what it means - and what it could mean (not the least of which is that we apparently have absolutely no fucking idea of what the inter-species transmission mechanisms of Ebola might be - absolutely none).
The study suggests that pigs can transfer the virus without contact, but macaques can not. No info about humans.
Survivors should have lots of antibodies in their serum and should be donating to the newly confirmed cases in africa.
The devil is in the 3%.
Question: whether macaques initially infected from pigs
could subsequently be infectious from macaque to macaque ?
Apparently not - which is the wierd part. The implication is that the virus is doing something in pigs that increases transmissability and that characteristic is lost in simian hosts.
Maybe it'll mutate. Into the Ebama virus. Only affects Obama supporters.
we can't get enough of it.
why do we do this to ourselves?
Y'all better pay heed. My wife's clinic has given no warnings; network of 7 states. She asked her boss about it and she literally said, "what's Ebola?" Get P100 masks and gloves(good to have anyway). Our friends in the Bronx ER have not seen any people with signs, but The Sinai patient not having a test back is highly suspect. My cousin the epidemiologist at Emory is going to be contacted by my wife on Friday. We want her to have time for a full report. Keep ya posted. Prepare. Wife has a bad feeling and she is pretty chill.
My wife is a molecular biologist (PhD) who also has a MS in Epidemiology - she is watching this shit like a hawk too.
There just haven't been enough Ebola outbreaks to be confident how a large-scale outbreak in an urban area will spread. This event is an unknown quantity that could go any number of different directions - but on the off-chance that this outbreak does go global, it makes sense to keep on top of things and be as prepared as you can be.
The fact that most of the medical community has no experience means they could be quickly overwhelmed. I'm a worrier by nature, that's why I hang here for threat level, but this is scary shit cuz it's proving to seem airborne. With it's kill rate around 55-60% and in a city like Lagos or NYC, shit could get very bad very quickly.
Exactly. Usually I am weary of 'herds', but what a group of people has, esp. a group like ZH, is people with their ears to the ground, and heads up. Early warning system.
Long Prepping, Telecommuting, and Home Schooling. And Real Estate in the ice- belt.
looking forward to your updates iridium.
i have a very bad feeling about all this too.
hopefully wrong on this...
"Another day on ZH, another fear mongering article. "
Another vapic comment from someone with no facts to offer; only attacks upon the website she chooses to visit.
If it's that bad, why do you waste your time here? You should mve on to other sites and more intelligent discussions - unless of course, you're some kind of pathetic loser that thrives on negative attention and seeks it out to give their otherwise useless and meaningless life some sort of meaning.
Sorry Nigeria poor Africans can't afford the vaccine. It's reserved for paying middle-class Americans.
Of which there aren't many.
That's why its reserved
Right, for when we come thundering back.
USA! USA! USA!
No worries, we all got Obamacare. This is just "noise". However "Unexpected Facts" are a bitch too.
Some sackless stain blew thru here and downed everyone.
The CDC, in conjuction with the IRS, will determine who "qualifies" for treatment.
I figured it would be NSA and IRS but yeah...
Piss on that noise.
I'm going for the bourbon cure.
Good idea, it's time-tested to cure all that ails.
You mean elite-class Americans.
The Doctor and Nurse flown to Atlanta are guinea pigs.
If Dimon and Blankfein had Ebola they'd get the serum first for sure.
Doesn't always work that way.
Dimon and Blankfeins bosses will come first.
Its a very small club and even they may not be in it.
Private auction for a scarce cure?
I am sure the billionaires can afford their own immunology lab.
You want meds?
Nigeria? Please.
Sure, with all that Inheritance money that keeps coming from there?
ETF this thing. I'm long
So you got guns, ammo, masks, gloves, extra water, extra food, and safe place to hunker down and ride this out?
Mom does. Does that count?
:-)
Yeah, a cabin in the Yukon.