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Excellent cartoon, but you'll never get through to the "coexist" bumper sticker / Prius crowd. They welcome Sharia law but how will they feel when ISIS takes over Harvard Square?
In other news, Tony Stewart is the NASCAR Killer:
http://tinyurl.com/k6wgur7
Hmm, I'm noticing a trend here...
'Bout fucking time
Ignore the men in plain view pulling the strings. No, the problem isn't the puppet masters but ISLAM!
OF COURSE!
Why did I not see this before?
Someone needs to read the Old Testament and then correlate that to what Christianity has been doing for the past two millenia. Fucking dolts.
I am Chumbawamba.
You seriously want to compate the two?
There are two large organizations in the world where, when the rules are followed, leaving them will get you killed (often along with your family). That's the mob, and Islam.
It's a garbage religion that paints a psychotic God. Chrstianity's crusades were only launched after Islamic crusades took sacred land. The Islamic crusade is unending.
You forgot the CIA,NSA, CFR, and the "financial services" industry. ISIS uses swords to behead, wall street uses nail guns. The result is the same. Wake up to the magnitude of the corruption, dude. It's worldwide and as old as the written word. It's just been on an exponential path the last century, and it's now gone parabolic.
The true irony of the rampant sectarianism is that Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all spawned from the same God... Funny how the translation of the "message" can get so screwed up...
The problem is BEARDS!
BEARDS! The number one threat to America today. Colbert had it wrong, it was never BEARS. It was always BEARDS.
Like that Conchita thing out of Europe.
Well most of those are easy to dismiss. Hezbollah and Hamas are murderous terrorist groups? How about political parties? That take up arms about as much as the US Democrats.
The Taliban? Murderous Terrosist group? How about over zealous religious students who were handed Kabul by the USA. Then when the USA wanted Kabul back they murderously terroristically knocked down 2-3 buildings and shot a hole in a fourth, thereby blaming it on the Taliban who by then were a over-zealous government of Afghanistan, but certainly not terrorists.
Al QCIAda? Nuff said. We'll soon learn who is really behind ISIS (The Islamic State! How catchy!) but really it's probably not going to be any earth shattering revelation. I mean, they didn't buy those guns from Toys-R-U.S. now did they?
Boko Haram... now you got me there.
But as Cole Porter said, "it's very clear, Islam is here to stay... not for a year, forever and a day... the radio, and the telephone, and the music that we know... blah blah". You know the rest. So grab your popcorn and a seat in the back I'd suggest.
What people generally refer to as "religion" is in actuality faith-based ritual. True religion is knowing, not believing.
In Judaism there is the kaballah, in Christianity the Gnostics, and in Islam the Sufis. Those of lower order being adhere to the faith-based rituals--i.e. cultish obedience. Those who attain the higher orders of self discover the true religion: the kaballah, the gnostic and the sufi, as examples.
I am Chumbawamba.
why cant people just accept there are things we could never possibly comprehend?
Because that's the logic of a sheep. Yes there are many, MANY sheeple in the world but some of us understand that there is a logical explanation for everything. It's just a matter of finding it or figuring it out, even if those involved are acting illogically.
More people have been killed in the name of "religion" or in the name of "god" than all the wars throughout mankinds complete history.
My god is the only god and if don't beleve me I will kill you! Gimme dat ole time religion...
You forgot the faith in pragmatism. The truth of the (pudding) political visions consists in the eating of the sheeple-people. We live in some fascist-dominated era.
@chumbawamba islam has pagan origins and has a different god than Judaisim or Chrstianity.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
Nag Hammadi texts, from 100 BC
"He who serves a ruler of men in harmony with Tao will not subdue the Empire by force of arms. Such a course is wont to bring retribution in its train." - Lao Tzu
Ignorant.
"Allah" ia a retread from the Arabian pantheon - how many times must I repeat that! Allah is the Arabian moon god - that's where the crescent comes from! It was a convenient bit of palgerism for Ol' man Mo when he was thinking up this little piece of dimentia called Islam.
The God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob is NOT Allah. Allah is a fart in the wind. The fact that Israel still exists after six millenia of people hating Jews should be a good indication where the reality can be found.
Shutup you stupid fanatic. The world is sick of dickwads like you.
There is no god but Allah. Allah is not God.
I am Chumbawamba.
ZH has clearly been identified by Tel Aviv as a site that needs to be bombarded with zionists and their usual Islam = terrrrists (so we should back Israel) nonsense.
The same half-truths, lies, distortions, amnesia...
I wonder if TD has identified the IP addresses of these 'megaphone' hasbara Israel-firsters.
BigJim, quite the contrary. These groups belong to the religion of peace. It is the Israelis who are the problem for not allowing these peaceful people from firing rockets into there cities.
There. Fixed it.
Another thread melts down to religious nuttery.
But you were fishing, Tyler. Naughty naughty.
It's comical how people get theirselves worked up over this shit. Well, it is until people start losing their limbs and heads and lives over it. Then it isn't so funny.
-Chumblez.
Far be it from me to question the Tylers, but for once I wish Pavlov's dogs would get a clue.
You got my agreement, brother.
-Chumbz.
Miles Ahead - Israel was attacked on the first day they were established, well before there was ever a blockade. As a matter of fact, the Jews in Israel were attacked long before the country of Israel even existed. And, if Hamas would want peace and agree to enforcable ways to ensure Israel's security, the blockage would end immedietaly.
If you consider 50 pounds of explosives and shrapnel to be "nuisance rockets" then I guess in your view the weapons that ISIS uses are marshmallows and bubble gum.
Another hasbara troll. 21 days here with these sort of posts make it so obvious. ZH is made up in the vast majority of people that are capable of critical thinking so please take your crap elsewhere!
I read somewhere that Jehovah started out as a Semitic war god who got jealous.
The fact that Israel still exists after six millenia of people hating Jews should be a good indication where the reality can be found.
6 millennia, eh? lulz.
Did somebody just say nail gun?
Sorry, I thought my services were needed once more to do "Gods work" on a banker. False alarm, I guess. You know where to reach me when you need me.
Yes, corruption is all around us. People will take any idea and twist it until it's warped. But consider the material: spy agencies, murderous Jihadists, and Christianity. Which do you think is more open to twisting?
People are going to put their energy into something. Compared to just about any other institution/creed you care to name, Christianity is benign. By virtually any standard, Christianity is more dangerous to its adherents than it is to those outside the faith (because of persecution, out-group altruism, and trust in others). It preaches that the world is corrupt, but in practice its adherents tend to trust institutions because they think people have the same basic motivations, at least those who look and speak like they do, and who present themselves as competent and trustworthy.
I am a struggling Christian. Christ is the square peg in the round hole of history. He can only be wished away, not reasoned away.
"Christ is the square peg in the round hole of history. He can only be wished away, not reasoned away."
Can you say 'dyslexia'.... sure.... I knew you could.
You're a struggling Christian because, by your own account, you have no idea what Christianity is.
-Chumblez.
Once I studied some Gonostic texts, that helped me figure out what I needed to know. The Lion-Headed Man God Yaldaboath is the god of arrogance, deception, lies, falsehoods and manipulation. Thats all I needed to know.
You just proved my point by comparing modern Islam with the Christian Crusades. The point is that there's no difference, and by focusing on external or irrelevant factors the true source of evil and chaos in the world remains obscured. But only to those ignorant enough to be distracted by such cheap distractions.
I am Chumbawamba.
Bottomline, there are terrorists in the world BECAUSE FUNDING EXISTS.
Otherwise, they would merely be disgruntled peasants.
Now, historically, armies have ALWAYS recruited from the poorest segment of society (in this case, that segment is the Middle East). Think about that. The funding comes from... Saudi Arabia, American black ops, MI6, Mossad, Qatar.
ISIS are a bunch of mercs. On whose pay? Or have they bitten the hand that fed them? Tough to know for sure.
It's just a big gob of "all the same thing" isn't it?
You're a perfect brain turd result of the Hegelian Dialectic. It's all about synthesis - no left no right no right no wrong. We can all be one big squishy family, heh? Everyone's all the same - that's the ultimate distraction and you're the one pushing it.
Synthesis is what the oligaarchs thrive on. Antithesis is what free men hang onto in this imperfect world - A does not equal NOT-A. Deal with it. There is RIGHT and WRONG. There is GOOD and EVIL. There are people who LOVE YOU and people who HATE YOU. That's the reality of the world in a nut shell.
And by the way, there is a truth about God and there are lies about God.
And I AM Captain Scarlet....big fat hairy deal.
So that's why virtually every major war since recorded history began involved a sociopath who used religion to stir up hatred for the other guy? Yeah, let's all get along. We're all the same. That's what the oligarchas preach. Seems to me you are a guy who believes in your religion and everyone else is the devil. Sounds kind of familiar.
Yeah, but he's right, you see.
I wonder if he ever thinks it's a lucky coincidence that it's his religion that is the benign one.
You forgot to make your point:
Who is RIGHT and who is WRONG, GOOD or EVIL, LOVE YOU or HATE YOU?
No, that's not what I said, and in any event your analysis is flawed, because you do not understand Islam, just as you do not understand Christianity.
I am Chumbawamba.
I mentioned the crusades because it's literally all the other side has, aside from the inquisition, and neither amount to a hill of beans when conpared to what governments have done.
Seriously, I find that people with a real hang-up about Christianity (and atheists) fall into one of several categories:
1. Some Christian treated them like crap. This makes about as much sense as hating all government because of some jerk at the DMV. There are other reasons to hate both.
2. The fact that homosexuality, addiction to pornography, fetishes, and other behaviors considered 'sinful' by the Christian God make a lot of people very defensive. They want to do what they want to do without feeling guilty about it, or having anyone else tell them they should feel guilty about it.
Most of the rest (i.e. being tired of Christianity being 'rubbed 'in your face' etc.) is just posturing. We have a lot of nasty stuff rubbed in our faces every day, Christianity isn't one of them.
Finally, it always amazes me that otherwise awake people, who see 'the system' for the evil that it is, simply gloss over the fact that the system hates real Christians _whose REAL allegiance_ is elsewhere (as opposed to the fakes which exist in any movement), more than it hates any other people. Do they hate it because it's better for you if it disappears or is damaged? No, they hate it because it's better for them.
The system knows that some who call themselves Christians will die for that allegiance, and will always consider the system 'as filthy rags'. And the system can't crush the foundation of their faith. They can tear down or corrupt any earthly bond you care to make, but they can't get at that one, and it makes them crazy. Real Christians can't be bought, so they are the enemy.
Exactly. The teachings are pure but it's men with their shitty ideas and interpretations that obliterate them.
The war is simple to comprehend: it really is as simple as good vs. evil.
What is good? That which is not bad.
I am Chumbawamba.
There's a big difference between the words. Those who take them seriously are alternately treating Ebola in Africa, and cutting heads off lttle children in Iraq.
No, the people cutting off heads are most likely methamphetamine abusers. Man has the ability not only to think for himself but to also blindly follow the prescriptions of another. Either way, it is a choice.
By blaming the religion you take away responsibility for the one and put it on the many, including the pure and innocent.
This is strictly about evil against good. Fight that which is good, and embrace that which is evil.
I am Chumbawamba.
You know what I came to dislike most about Christianity and all other major religions? They all condemn sexuality in it's basic form as sinful. Sure some do more, some less, but all do.
You know, "only consensual sex in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation" and so. (Only exception I know was Hinduism about 100 years ago.)
This makes all religions act to make humans unhappy (no or very limited sex), so they can later sell some snake oil to make them happy again.
Aside from that, the difference you fail to mention is Christianity being 'rubbed in your face' as the solution, while -in it's current form- it is not.
Dude, you wanna get laid and not to feel guilty about it, hey just go for it!
On a serious note, even though this is off topic, but if you did a bit of basic research (really basic, like Google or even Yahoo!) you'd find that Islam is a lot more liberal about sex than you would have thought. Explicitly. You may be right about some other religions, but in this case (as in most cases) the perception about Islam is 180 degrees out.
Happy hunting.
You must be joking.
Islam allows no sex before marriage, and I do hope you don't twist allows underage marriage as making your point. We all know how homosexuality is looked upon there, and while I have no exact information I would assume masturbation is considered almost as bad as homosexuality.
CORRECTION: I meant to write Hinduism about 1000 years ago before.
All religions are stupid (and IMO are simply made up things as the chances of a personal god are slim) because humans are too dumb to actually follow the message they say they believe in and they just use their religion as an excuse to go and seek power and control.
It's interetsing how people slam Islam simply because morons who say they follow the religion go and kill people or act hardcore in their rule rather than maybe, JUST MAYBE, thinking the people who say they follow the religion are in fact not actually following the religion.
It's no different than a guy like Obama saying he follows and respects the constitution and freedom while doing things that show he doesn't. Do people say "well, gee, the consitution and freedom suck" because Obama sucks? No, they say Obama sucks and is bullshitting with what he says he follows and believes in.
I find it funny you say the religion paints a psychotic god as though the old testament doesn't or even the new testament/Christianity. Mass flood to almsot wipe out the entire human race, saying people should be stoned for being homosexual along with other stupid things, saying people will go to hell if they don't accept Jesus as their saviour. Yeah, nothing psychotic about any of that!
And finally, it were suppsoed Christians who went and dropped A-bombs on Japan and it is Christians going and fucking up all these countries and using drones. Apparently indscriminantly killing people and ruining countries was the message of Jesus. Where are all the people saying Christianity is evil because of that?
And if Jesus had been just like Mr. Rogers, they wouldn't have killed him.
You don't get it.
No, fuckwit, YOU don't get it.
When some sociopath gets his followers to expand his empire using Islam as an excuse, that's proof Islam is evil.
When some sociopath gets his followers to expand his empire using Christianity as an excuse, that's proof some Christians are evil. or.. they're not really Christians. Not really.
Yup.
Humans are soooo fucked up. I hope heaven is worth all this crap. Christians don't even get any virgins.
I second BigJim.
With cherry-picking facts you can "logically" arrive at any conclusion you like.
It would be a lot funnier if the average Muslim actually voted for something aside from Sharia law when they have a chance. And Sharia encapsulates total religious tyranny. So maybe the average Muslim is going to be reluctant to cut heads off little kids, but they have no interest at all in free will (the very foundation of Christianity).
I don't think we should have nuked Japan, but if you want to tie resposibility for this to Christianity because western leaders were nominally Chriistian, how about if we put all of the 200 million+ deaths from communism onto atheism, since it's fundamental, and all communist leaders are avowed, preaching, enforcing atheists?
Yes, Muslims invite the hardcore version of Sharia Law that ignorant Western retards think it is just like Americans invite their freedoms being curtailed by fanatics and lunatics in DC who have no respect for the Constitution to which they swore an oath to uphold and defend.
Stop with the collective judgment already. There is nothing in Islam that is inherently violent. You equate the reaction to Western imperialism being imposed upon a people who just happen to be of the Muslim faith to be the definition of Islam itself. They are adherents of Islam. Their lands and livelihoods are being encroached upon by outsiders who don't give half a fuck about them. The "Islam" you perceive as a threat is that which is portrayed by the blood-thirsty fanatics that the fucking CIA supports.
Open your fucking eyes already.
Do you know that in places outside the primarily Christian lands of America, the White Christian is seen as a blood-thirsty war monger intent on stealing land and dominating other peoples to take their resources? Are you like that, too?
Do you ever actually turn everything off and just think for yourself? If not, you ought to consider it.
I am Chumbawamba.
"There is nothing in Islam that is inherently violent."
Muslims invite the hardcore version of Sharia Law
Open your fucking eyes already.
Do you ever actually turn everything off and just think for yourself? If not, you ought to consider it.
You are a douchebag
You contribute absolutely nothing to this discussion. In fact, you take away from it. I am more stupid for having even bothered to repond to you. But someone had to give you the memo.
I am Chumbawamba.
"I am more stupid."
Let's see what nugget of truth we have here in tonights comment breakdown.
I - Fairly easy. You are chumbawamba.
am - Again easy.
more - a greater or additional amount or degree. I struggled to understand your choosing to use this word, until it dawned on me that you are aware of your own stupidity, in whatever degree it exists.
Stupid.- You are chumbawamba.
You utilized 507 characters (I counted them, echo | wc -c) to write what amounts to moose droppings.
I am Chumbawamba.
You get a downvote from me for making a poorly thought-out association here.
To use your examples...the guys who dropped A-bombs on Japan and invaded Iraq didn't use their religion as their motivation and inspiration. Neither of those things had anything to do with Christianity.
The crazies shooting up Iraq, Syria, Nigeria, etc. are explicitly religious in nature and are explicitly motivated and inspired by their religion - it's in their manifestos.
Come on! You really think it would be that easy to pull strings on two large groups of people , one believing a man can walk on water and another believing a horse can fly?
Oh, wait...
That is some serious ignorance you let loose.
And the trend is pieces of pure propaganda bullshit such as this loaded cartoon posted at ZH.
<--- NeoCons blow goats
Exactly. It's ignorant tripe that shouldn't be finding a home at Zero Hedge.
I'm disappointed that ZH carries this kind of embarrassing Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck type of trash.
I am Chumbawamba.
Hey, let's not mix important news with the frivolous stuff. What's this crap about Islam when the events in NASCAR are so overwhlemingly important?
WE NEED TO FIND THE REAL NASCAR KILLER.
I am Chumbawamba.
A comment posted on infowars.com said that Tony Stewart was Shia and Kevin Ward was Sunni so there's your connection right there.
/s
Fuck. I thought Stewart was Sunni and Ward was Shia. Given this uncertainty, I don't know whether to blow myself up or chant high pitch sounds in the street.
Sharia Law is bullshit, but I refer to another comment of mine-
How peaceful would you be realizing every government in that area had been suborned, corrupted, or killed by the people they are pissed at? How peaceful would you feel if you could be bombed, shot, droned, rocketed or disposessed with impunity - and you and/or your family or village had been?
Payback is a bitch.
Yes, but the better matiching question would be, "Select the groups funded by Isreal/USA"
At least someone is still paying attention.
-Chumblez.
To all you nigger downvoters: you only hate yourself.
Your own failure is what motivates your enmity.
Stop hating. Forgive yourself.
I am Chumbawamba.
too bad allah couldnt help you out with your mortgage there buddy.
I'm offended by those who would demand I subscribe to their religious beliefs. Ordinarily I would not suggest killing them just for offending me in this way but with Islam they seem too persistant. At least the usual door to door crusaders eventually go away. Some seem to beg for martyrdom. I say let's oblige that group.
Then look for the jihad to come door to door, in a neighborhood near you...
U mean the Mormon Missionary kids?
Nah, the ones with the big swords looking to lop off your head for being an infidel... This is just a little something extra from leaving the borders wide open...
sword, meet 12ga, 12ga meet dead fucking arab...
I'm pretty ready for most visitors.
Any suggestions for a source of lightly used land mines though?
This can be buried and modified to where the weight of the foot crushes the Glass inside...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH6GpXAXmx8
Thanks Tall Tom...finally a use for Axe brand products...they are the worst smelling deodorant ever...nice to know at least the product explodes.
As long as Americans are armed I don't think anyone sane would go 'door to door.'
Really..Who needs a gun???
Bombs are just too easy to make. They are less expensive and much more deadly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH6GpXAXmx8
As long as Americans are armed I don't think anyone sane would go 'door to door.'
Jihaddi: We're ready to die for Islam!
US: We're ready to kill you for the hell of it!
See! One CAN be Right for the Wrong Reason!
Booyah!
BTFD
hey, it's what we do...
If Obama is smart (BIG if) he could force Iran to deal with these thugs. It would allow us to keep our hands clean and force Iran to divert attention away from the Great Satan.
The psychopaths reportedly supply arms and funds through Iran. ISIS = The latest US funded, trained and supported BOGEYMAN. It's perfect set-up. Can you imagine a better excuse for continued American presence in the region, or a better proxy for achieving strategic objectives? (Note Kurdistan.) "Dollar Defense" is turning America into the biggest creator and manipulator of proxies in world history. Everything depicted in our media is smoke and mirrors and lies, like "The Mandarin" in Iron Man III (inside joke). The PNAC and "Clean Break" were written by natural deceivers. To them, mowing down a few hundred thousand more citizens is a price of doing business.
The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves. - V.I. Lenin
Religion - the ultimate divide and conquer tool.
Works almost every time.
Only Atheists are immune.
No, maybe agnostics. Atheists are easy to aggravate.
That is because atheism is a religion.
Agree.
The three downarrows which I received are demonstrative that they are easy to agitate.
It is so easy as they fall for the loaded response. Many are not too bright.
I'm an atheist and I don't aggravate easy at all, and if you say that again, I'll kill you!!!!!
;-)
Thought I had one on the hook. They are too smart :)
SuperRay, good news! God loves atheists! :)
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/message-to-agnostics-atheists/
SuperRay, good news! God loves atheists! :)
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/message-to-agnostics-atheists/
Actually there are only a few hundred atheists. Most people are in the 'I don't care' camp but don't want to deal with the 'atheist' label. My guess is that this is the true #1 religious belief....The True Church of 'I don't care, leave me alone'.
Very popular in China I hear.
If someone just does not care why would they go through the hassle of calling themselves anything...just draws unwanted, unhealthy attention. These rabid atheists have me confused. No one is bothering them why do they need to cram their beliefs down the public's throat? ...bad strategy I think.
You've obviously never been to China or experienced Chinese culture.
Only 4 times but exploration of religious practices was not my purpose in going.
They can be deeply spiritual, almost Romantic. Good cooks, too! I hope you get to know some on a personal level. Regards
Dated a Taiwanese woman for a couple of years. Fun but she loved to fight. I had to surrender.
Well put!
These rabid atheists have me confused. No one is bothering them why do they need to cram their beliefs down the public's throat? ...bad strategy I think.
Atheism is a religion. These religious zealots are just prosletyizing.
Did you know that the atheists have even opened up a Church?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/atheist-church/
Did you know that they go out on Weekend Retreats so that they can talk about the Flying Spaghetti Monster and worship His Noodleness?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2011/06/13/a-secular-summer-retreat-in-michigan/
They require the same Social VALIDATION as many other followers of other religions. Most are incapable of formulating any solid foundation for independent thinking. Most delude themselves into believing that they have this capability. This is true of the followers of any organized religion...including atheism.
(Now I will expect that I will get the RATIONALIZATIONS from some atheists that this is done to ridicule theism. BUt the TRUTH is that if they had such a solid foundation and are self validated, are convinced, are CONVICTED, in their own beliefs then there is really no need to ridicule at all, is there? It is absolutely unnecessary if one has the conviction in their own beliefs.)
Old ritualistic habits are retained. Basically that is what Religion is...RITUAL BEHAVIOR.
Most atheists will deny the Empirical Evidence that demonstrates that the odds for a chance manifestation of the Universe are many Orders of Magnitude less than that of an ABSURDITY. (An ABSURDITY is what COMPETENT Scientists and Engineers declare as IMPOSSIBLE thus not worthy of consideration.)
I have DEMONSTRATED THIS LOGIC many times in the discussion in these threads and have not had anyone successfully refute the Mathematics or logic.
Thus most atheists demonstrate the VERY SAME IRRATIONALITY that Religionists do and their philosophical stance smacks of BLIND FAITH RELIGION, that which they claim to despise.
Many atheists are so deluded that they are incapable of seeing their own hypocrisy.
When I punch their buttons and set off the flood of cognitive dissonance then they will become very agitated and irritated because of their own lack of convictions.
This is not ridicule but a description of the psychological maladaption of most atheists.
I have not once opened a proseltyizing thread on Zerohedge.
My posts, on the otherhand, have been RESPONSES to atheists when they begin their ridicule. So I turn it in their face. I force them to look at themselves in the mirror.
The contempt and disrespect which I read is that which irritates me. Actually I am enraged. I am ashamed of belonging to the Human Race because of this undeserved and unwarranted hatred which so many of you are willing to give.
Humans are so deserving of their fate. I am totally repulsed by the Human experience. The hatred is infectious. This place and the people are so worthy of contempt.
The same contempt which you have demonstrated toward me is the same contempt which I have for you. With contempt there is no chance for any relationship.
But since there is a Grand Architect I give this to Him. I certainly do not care about living on Earth in this Hell.
In one evil sense I wish I could be an atheist. But the Empirical Evidence is just too overwhelming.
In fact this is an answer to your question about why they need to cram their beliefs down someone else's throat.
They lack CONVICTION and FOUNDATION.
Please let the atheist convince me otherwise. Then I'd be free...
"Actually I am enraged."
Of course you are. That is the first hallmark of being religious, and the irony is lost on you. I don't even need to inquire of your flavor.
No. Being enraged is the hallmark of lacking faith.
I may have knowledge but I do not have faith.
Rage is an emotional response whereas knowlege is a cognitive response.
How did those muscle relaxants work out for you?
Believing in God(s) = religion.
Not believing in God(s) = atheism.
Atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby.
But it's irrelevant, because very few people are really atheists; belief comes in degrees. If 0 = absolute, total belief in the non-existence of God(s), and 10 = absolute, total belief in the existence of God(s), the vast majority of people will land somewhere between 2 and 8. As material beings, what 'proof' can supply absolute evidence one way or the other? Unless you've witnessed a miracle, and that miracle is provably genuine and not some trick, then why would any intelligent being be certain of the existence of God(s)? The fact that the majority of people just believe whatever is the majority faith in their particular society suggests religious faith is more derived from cultural programming than any kind of conscious investigation.
And even if you can 'prove' the existence of your Grand Architect, that doesn't prove which (if any) of the thousands of extant religions is the right one.
The Empirical Evidence (atheistic churches, retreats, etc.) demonstrates that atheism, as practiced today, is a religion.
I provided you with a few links. I am certain that I can garner much more evidence to support my thesis.
How about you?
As for the Empirical Evidence that supports the Grand Computer Syntesizer, I have demonstrated many times before that the odds for existence are many Orders of Magnitude less than that of an ABSURDITY.
That is miraculous in and of itself.
You are a witness to the miracle but are too damned blind to see it.
If only you can understand the MATH.
But like most people you must be Mathematically challenged.
The Empirical Evidence (atheistic churches, retreats, etc.) demonstrates that atheism, as practiced today, is a religion.
Er, no, because atheism isn't 'practiced', just as people who don't collect stamps, don't all convene so they can not collect stamps together.
Are there a few self-professed atheists who get together in a 'church'? Maybe. I'm afraid that proves squat.
If only you can understand the MATH.
But like most people you must be Mathematically challenged.
That would be a reasonable argument if all higher mathematicians were deists. But they're not, are they?
Reminds me of the story of Euler...
"The French philosopher Denis Diderot was visiting Russia on Catherine the Great's invitation. However, the Empress was alarmed that the philosopher's arguments for atheism were influencing members of her court, so Euler was asked to confront the Frenchman. Diderot was informed that a learned mathematician had produced a proof of the existence of God; he agreed to view the proof as it was presented in court. Euler appeared, advanced toward Diderot, and in a tone of perfect conviction announced the following non-sequitur: "Sir, \frac{a+b^n}{n}=x, hence God exists—reply!" Diderot, to whom (says the story) all mathematics was gibberish, stood dumbstruck as peals of laughter erupted from the court. Embarrassed, he asked to leave Russia, a request that was graciously granted by the Empress."
I don't use advanced maths in my job so - unsurprisingly - I've forgotten virtually all of it. I've read your various rants on the subjects, backed up by such 'luminaries' as Heinlein. My initial impression was that you are intellectually insecure and this belief in the superiority of mathematicians is a way you can feel superior to other people.
Frankly, I think you should give up the maths and start studying logic, because your arguments are frequently rather weak.
Atheism believes there is no God.
You put the onus on religious types to prove the existence of their gods. Fair enough.
But then atheists should also have to prove that no God/gods exist.
Good luck with the whole proving a negative thing.
Tall Tom
interesting idea about atheists requiring validation...hadn't considered it that way before...sounds right...
You're a good man, Tom. Remember to love.
I'm going to be visiting you soon.
-Chumbz.
Looking forward to it.
"Religion - the ultimate divide and conquer tool."
So true, and the real story. Show me any religion and I'll show you thugs murdering and torturing people in its name. And remember, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAn7baRbhx4
Deism?
Isabel and Ferdinand's government were broke from war and expansion so they needed a premise to steal the property and money of the merchant Jews in Spain. The Inquision as far as torture focused on Jews that converted but secretly were still Jews. Driving the rest of the merchant Jews out of the country effectively led to having no merchant class. Big Problem. Brilliant. Gets lost in the Columbus discovered America PR.
After the Minoans, Vikings, Chinese, etc., etc., etc
Don't tell me you believe that Zheng He crap?
Chinese sailed to Malaysia, Indonesia, Phillipines... But not to America.
I think the fishermen who knew about the fish off the coast of North America (at that time) didn't feel a great desire to tell everyone. Call it a trade secret.
Atheists are morons.
How can someone believe in the non-existence of something? The non-existence of something is unprovable, so why subscribe to a belief that has no hope of being proven right, ever? Atheists are no better than any other religious zealots who take their beliefs on blind faith.
If you're smart, you're an agnostic.
Not seeing Israel on the list. WTF
How about Amerika?
Only Islamic killers are killers. When Christians and Jews kill vast numbers of people, it's called 'national defence' - even when it's performed thousands of miles away from their homeland.
Aside from the fact that Islam does teach violence, explore it further.
You have Christian ministries getting infected helping people with Ebola. Christian charities to help people going through humanitarian crises'. The first hospitals in the United States were funded by...Catholic and Christian churches which is why the oldest hospitals are named Saint......
What the fuck do Muslims do but murder and rape people? Can anyone name a Muslim charity that helps a group other than Muslims?
Everything about Islam seems like a filthy and perverted religion. I'd love for someone to convince me otherwise.
Maybe you should study history and understand Christians massacred folks and now Jews are doing it in the name of whatever.
I wonder if some of those actions were in response to some ultimatum, or maybe rocket bombardment.
I'm all for listening to both sides of an issue but I'm beginning to see a pattern here....and a stack of heads of what should have been prisoneers of war. these are true savages and unable to be dealt with in anyway but violence I'm truly sad to say.
I've become anti-war in my old age but I'm not stupid. I'm armed because I hope to deter. I stay strong to show I can't be easily defeated. War is messy and should never be undertaken lightly. The USA has had a series of bad wars. Now with a real threat the American people are so tired of silly wars that they may resist a 'good' one.
One and Only: "Catholic and Christian churches..."
You got that part right. There is a monumental difference between Catholic and Christian churches.
Very true. Catholicism is as far from bible-based Chrisitianity as Islam is.
ALL wars are BANKERS wars. Qualifying any war as a "good" war is the first step over the edge. You may wish to ponder on that some more.
Cynicism is the price we will pay for the stupidty and corruption our government has treated us to for the last hundred years or so. War is shit, war is ugly, but we will never avoid war by sticking our head in the sand, no matter how deeply. We are losing our ability to make rational decisions because our first assumption (which is not unfounded) is that our leaders are stupid at best and corrupt or evil at worse.
Like bullshit on the Iraq involvement in 9/11, BULLSHIT on he rocket bombardment! It's just another Zioligarchy Mossad false flag operation engineered to confiscate someone else's life and property.
". . . Israeli Dr. Motti Sheffer claiming exactly that: the Iron Dome is a massive lie, which is "intercepting simulated rockets" that in reality do not exist. The Iron Dome rockets are just exploding in the air, causing a loud sound, but not actually intercepting anything."
http://www.sott.net/article/283431-Iron-Dome-is-a-massive-Hoax-Israel-is...
The critical word in your statement is. "History".
It took is ten thousand years to get out of this shit. The derkas are a few hundred years late. There is no compariso to be made here. Unless you can point out where western armies are selling captured women and girls into slavery. These sick fucks need to evolve.
DP - sorry
No - but I do remember a few bad apples in Viet Nam sending home smack in the false bottoms of a few good men’s caskets.
That was just the CIA taking advantage of an opportunity.
If you're referring to the Crusades that was another war that Muslims started.
And Hamas is firing missles into Israel. If Hamas was firing missles at the US there would be no fucking Gaza left.
Still no one can name 1 GOOD thing that Muslims do. Not 1 fucking charirty to help others. NOTHING. It's all hate that comes out Islam.
Zakat is one of the pillars of Islam.
How it is actually instituted, I don't have a clue. I am sure there are the bureaucratic inefficiencies and corruption you see with all centralization of power.
Still no one can name 1 GOOD thing that Zionists do. Not 1 fucking charity to help others. NOTHING. It's all hate that comes out Zionism.
Maybe you should address his main point instead of puking up drivel.
ask the 'Cat', he seems convinced....
In another article discussion earlier, it was pointed out that Islam is a fake religion. It is actually nothing more than gangs of evil thug nutters running totalitarian dictatorships to rule over the lives of others.
Religion is simply the veil it hides behind.
Option 7: The Obamanites
they will be killing each other next year.
Drones in the USSA will do just fine.
Fatwa being issued in 5....4....3....
Funny.
Disband Israel and let them all move to Detroit.
Get out of the Middle East completely and let them kill each other.
I'm sure we could still buy oil from them and not lose our kids.
Where is te fun in that. Bringing home the dead Amerikan Soldier makes long on caskets and yellow ribbons.
This is where I have some trouble. Your assumption is that everything can be resolved through negotiations or through money. Not all people think like this. people who will cut your head off, people who will bury you alive in mass, people who will take your women and violate them for the fun of it, are not people who you can negotiate with. History is crammed with not only people you went to war for property and wealth, but also belief. If you want to survive you must understand your enemy and not simply assume their motivations are the same as yours. Have you put on your suicide belt yet today? I didn't think so. They may well be murdering their own people but who here thinks they will stop with that. This is simply a refining process that will evolve the most brutal, most hate driven of the bunch. that is what we will face, what we have always had to face.
maybe one has to read the CIA handbook to understand the current events.
Don't forget
Military men are “dumb, stupid animals to be used” as pawns for foreign policy.
Henry Kissinger,
National Security Advisor to Nixon, 1973.
may will sign up and many more will balme each other. I guess Critical Thinking is not one of the strong points of very many Amerikans . Must have diluted over the years. Called In fucking breeding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lqdErI9uss
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I wish our problems could be resolved by rock in roll. I remember everyone holding hands and singing about peace. I guess it wasn't so simple.
Agree. Point being if we had productive industry, career employment, and the rule-of-law we would have money to buy the oil we needed, and could sell produced goods for money.
Instead we gave up production, career employment, and the rule-of-law for a leveraged debt fueled bankster Ponzi hand-in-hand with a Military Industrial Complex web of wars of aggression while grinding good kids into the dust (meaning they weren't at home to question or fight against the kleptoligarchy - convenient, eh?).
If we had followed George Washington's advice about foreign entanglements, and Eisenhower's warnings about the M.I.C., and not sold out the populace to China and Wall Street - we could buy what we needed instead of bleeding for it while the middle class is killed off and the police state installed.