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Christians Are Being Persecuted By Islamic Terrorists

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Christians are being persecuted by Islamic terrorists in Iraq and Syria.

The “ISIS” Islamic terrorists have literally CRUCIFIED people in Iraq recently, and have marked the houses of Christians … presumably for execution.

They have told Christians in Mosel, “convert to Islam or die“. They have pulled down crosses at churches in Iraq.   Thousands of residents of Iraq’s biggest Christian town have been forced to flee their homes as the ISIS killers overran their town and said: “leave, convert or die“.

The ISIS terrorists are not only beheading adult Christians, but they are systematically beheading CHILDREN.

In Syria, rebels fighting against the Syrian government told Christians, “Either you convert to Islam or you will be beheaded.”   Syrian rebels slit the throat of Christian man who refused to convert to Islam, taunting his fiance by yelling: “Jesus didn’t come to save him!”  And – like the Islamic terrorists in Iraq – they’ve  CRUCIFIED Christians.

A former Syrian Jihadi says the rebels have a “9/11 ideology”.  Indeed, they’re literally singing Bin Laden’s praises and celebrating the 9/11 attack:

 

It’s obvious that the Islamic terrorists are threatening Christians. And they’re threatening Jews as well.

Our Government Is BACKING Islamic Terrorists

But did you know that irrefutable proof shows that our government is backing Islamic terrorists?

ABC News reports:

The Sunni rebels [inside Syria] are supported by the Islamist rulers of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey, as well as the U.S., France, Britain and others.

So the U.S. is directly supporting the terrorists … and close U.S. allies Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey France and Britain are also supporting them.

World Net Daily reports that the U.S. trained Islamic jihadis – who would later join ISIS - in Jordan.

Der Spiegel and the Guardian confirmed that the U.S., France and England trained hundreds if not thousands of Islamic fighters in Jordan.

The Jerusalem Post and Breitbart report that an ISIS fighter says that Turkey funds the terrorist group. Turkey is a member of NATO and – until very recently – a close U.S. ally.

The Independent headlines “Iraq crisis: How Saudi Arabia helped Isis take over the north of the country”:

Some time before 9/11, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, once the powerful Saudi ambassador in Washington and head of Saudi intelligence until a few months ago, had a revealing and ominous conversation with the head of the British Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove. Prince Bandar told him: “The time is not far off in the Middle East, Richard, when it will be literally ‘God help the Shia’. More than a billion Sunnis have simply had enough of them.”

 

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There is no doubt about the accuracy of the quote by Prince Bandar, secretary-general of the Saudi National Security Council from 2005 and head of General Intelligence between 2012 and 2014, the crucial two years when al-Qa’ida-type jihadis took over the Sunni-armed opposition in Iraq and Syria. Speaking at the Royal United Services Institute last week, Dearlove, who headed MI6 from 1999 to 2004, emphasised the significance of Prince Bandar’s words, saying that they constituted “a chilling comment that I remember very well indeed”.

 

He does not doubt that substantial and sustained funding from private donors in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, to which the authorities may have turned a blind eye, has played a central role in the Isis surge into Sunni areas of Iraq. He said: “Such things simply do not happen spontaneously.” This sounds realistic since the tribal and communal leadership in Sunni majority provinces is much beholden to Saudi and Gulf paymasters, and would be unlikely to cooperate with Isis without their consent.

 

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Unfortunately, Christians in areas captured by Isis are finding this is not true, as their churches are desecrated and they are forced to flee. A difference between al-Qa’ida and Isis is that the latter is much better organised; if it does attack Western targets the results are likely to be devastating.

 

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Dearlove … sees Saudi strategic thinking as being shaped by two deep-seated beliefs or attitudes. First, they are convinced that there “can be no legitimate or admissible challenge to the Islamic purity of their Wahhabi credentials as guardians of Islam’s holiest shrines”. But, perhaps more significantly given the deepening Sunni-Shia confrontation, the Saudi belief that they possess a monopoly of Islamic truth leads them to be “deeply attracted towards any militancy which can effectively challenge Shia-dom”.

 

Western governments traditionally play down the connection between Saudi Arabia and its Wahhabist faith, on the one hand, and jihadism, whether of the variety espoused by Osama bin Laden and al-Qa’ida or by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s Isis. There is nothing conspiratorial or secret about these links: 15 out of 19 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, as was Bin Laden and most of the private donors who funded the operation.

 

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But there has always been a second theme to Saudi policy towards al-Qa’ida type jihadis, contradicting Prince Bandar’s approach and seeing jihadis as a mortal threat to the Kingdom. Dearlove illustrates this attitude by relating how, soon after 9/11, he visited the Saudi capital Riyadh with Tony Blair.

 

He remembers the then head of Saudi General Intelligence “literally shouting at me across his office: ’9/11 is a mere pinprick on the West. In the medium term, it is nothing more than a series of personal tragedies. What these terrorists want is to destroy the House of Saud and remake the Middle East.’” In the event, Saudi Arabia adopted both policies, encouraging the jihadis as a useful tool of Saudi anti-Shia influence abroad but suppressing them at home as a threat to the status quo. It is this dual policy that has fallen apart over the last year.

 

Saudi sympathy for anti-Shia “militancy” is identified in leaked US official documents. The then US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wrote in December 2009 in a cable released by Wikileaks that “Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qa’ida, the Taliban, LeT [Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan] and other terrorist groups.”

 

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Saudi Arabia and its allies are in practice playing into the hands of Isis which is swiftly gaining full control of the Sunni opposition in Syria and Iraq.

 

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For all his gargantuan mistakes, Maliki’s failings are not the reason why the Iraqi state is disintegrating. What destabilised Iraq from 2011 on was the revolt of the Sunni in Syria and the takeover of that revolt by jihadis, who were often sponsored by donors in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait and United Arab Emirates. Again and again Iraqi politicians warned that by not seeking to close down the civil war in Syria, Western leaders were making it inevitable that the conflict in Iraq would restart. “I guess they just didn’t believe us and were fixated on getting rid of [President Bashar al-] Assad,” said an Iraqi leader in Baghdad last week.

 

Of course, US and British politicians and diplomats would argue that they were in no position to bring an end to the Syrian conflict. But this is misleading. By insisting that peace negotiations must be about the departure of Assad from power, something that was never going to happen since Assad held most of the cities in the country and his troops were advancing, the US and Britain made sure the war would continue.

 

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Saudi Arabia has created a Frankenstein’s monster over which it is rapidly losing control. The same is true of its allies such as Turkey which has been a vital back-base for Isis and Jabhat al-Nusra by keeping the 510-mile-long Turkish-Syrian border open.

Remember, Al Qaeda wasn’t even in Iraq until the U.S. invaded that country.

The Daily Beast (a media company formerly owned by Newsweek) notes, in a story entitled “America’s Allies Are Funding ISIS”:

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror.

 

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The extremist group that is threatening the existence of the Iraqi state was built and grown for years with the help of elite donors from American supposed allies in the Persian Gulf region.

 

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A key component of ISIS’s support came from wealthy individuals in the Arab Gulf States of Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Sometimes the support came with the tacit nod of approval from those regimes ….

 

Gulf donors support ISIS, the Syrian branch of al Qaeda called the al Nusrah Front, and other Islamic groups fighting on the ground in Syria ….

 

Donors in Kuwait, the Sunni majority Kingdom on Iraq’s border, have taken advantage of Kuwait’s weak financial rules to channel hundreds of millions of dollars to a host of Syrian rebel brigades, according to a December 2013 report by The Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank that receives some funding from the Qatari government.

 

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“The U.S. Treasury is aware of this activity and has expressed concern about this flow of private financing. But Western diplomats’ and officials’ general response has been a collective shrug,” the report states.

 

When confronted with the problem, Gulf leaders often justify allowing their Salafi constituents to fund Syrian extremist groups ….

 

That’s what Prince Bandar bin Sultan, head of Saudi intelligence since 2012 and former Saudi ambassador in Washington, reportedly told Secretary of State John Kerry when Kerry pressed him on Saudi financing of extremist groups earlier this year. Saudi Arabia has retaken a leadership role in past months guiding help to the Syrian armed rebels, displacing Qatar, which was seen as supporting some of the worst of the worst organizations on the ground.

Business Insider notes:

The Islamic State for Iraq and the Levant … is also receiving private donations from wealthy Sunnis in American-allied Gulf nations such as Kuwait, Qatar, and, possibly, Saudi Arabia.

 

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As far back as March, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has accused Saudi Arabia and Qatar of openly funding ISIS as his troops were fighting them.

 

“I accuse them of inciting and encouraging the terrorist movements. I accuse them of supporting them politically and in the media, of supporting them with money and by buying weapons for them,” he told France 24 television.

 

In Kuwait, donors have taken advantage of weak terror financing control laws to funnel hundreds of millions of dollars to various Syrian rebel groups, including ISIS, according to a December 2013 report by The Brookings Institution, which receives some funding from the government of Qatar.

 

“Over the last two and a half years, Kuwait has emerged as a financing and organizational hub for charities and individuals supporting Syria’s myriad rebel groups,” the report said, adding that money from donors in other gulf nations is collected in Kuwait before traveling through Turkey or Jordan to reach the insurgents.

 

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Ironically, Kuwait is a staging area for individuals funneling money to an ISIS organization that is aligned with whatever is left of the Baathist regime once led by Saddam Hussein. In 1990, the U.S. went to war with Iraq over Hussein’s invasion and occupation of Kuwait.

We noted last year:

Most of the Syrian “rebels” are Al Qaeda. The U.S. government has designated these guys as terrorists. Things are getting worse, not better: Al Qaeda is gaining more and more power among the rebels. The U.S., Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel have been backing these guys for years. Indeed, we’ve long known that most of the weapons we’re shipping to Syria are ending up in the hands of Al Qaeda. And they apparently have chemical weapons.

In fact, Obama signed a special exemption to the law barring arming of terrorists.

We’re now shipping heavy weapons to the Islamic extremists such as anti-tank (“TOW” missiles) and possibly even anti-aircraft weapons

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Screenshot from Youtube video showing Syrian Islamic extremist using a TOW provided by the U.S.

Most of those arms have now ended up in the hands of ISIS.

And the Jihadist credited with being the “military mastermind” of the recent ISIS victories is named Tarkhan Batirashvili.  He’s not Arabic, but rather Chechen.    He doesn’t look like an Arab: he’s fair-skinned, with a long red beard.

Who are Chechens? Their country – Chechnya – was part of the Soviet Union. After the USSR broke up, the Chechens launched wars and terrorist attacks to try to gain independence from Russia.

The Wall Street Journal reported last year that Batrashvili has made the wars in Syria and Iraq “into a geopolitical struggle between the US and Russia.” 

Sadly, the U.S. has supported Sunni Islamic terrorists in Chechnya as a way to harass Russia. (And our backing of such extremists in Chechnya may well have led to the Boston bombings).

As shown below, the U.S. has been backing Islamic terrorists as part of its geopolitical struggle against Russia for many decades.

We Created Terrorists to Fight the Soviets in Afghanistan

Top American officials admit that the U.S. armed and supported Bin Laden and the other Mujahadin – which later morphed into Al Qaeda – in the 1970s, in order to fight the Soviets.

Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski admitted on CNN that the U.S. organized and supported Bin Laden and the other originators of “Al Qaeda” in the 1970s to fight the Soviets. Brzezinski told Al Qaeda’s forefathers – the Mujahadin:

We know of their deep belief in God – that they’re confident that their struggle will succeed. That land over – there is yours – and you’ll go back to it some day, because your fight will prevail, and you’ll have your homes, your mosques, back again, because your cause is right, and God is on your side.

 

CIA director and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates confirmed in his memoir that the U.S. backed the Mujahadin in the 1970s.

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton agrees:

 

MSNBC reported in 1998:

As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after Moscow’s invasion in 1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as Maktab al-Khidamar – the MAK – which funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside world into the Afghan war.

 

What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified form, at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistan’s state security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA’s primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscow’s occupation.

 

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The CIA, concerned about the factionalism of Afghanistan … found that Arab zealots who flocked to aid the Afghans were easier to “read” than the rivalry-ridden natives. While the Arab volunteers might well prove troublesome later, the agency reasoned, they at least were one-dimensionally anti-Soviet for now. So bin Laden, along with a small group of Islamic militants from Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps all over the Middle East, became the “reliable” partners of the CIA in its war against Moscow.

 

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To this day, those involved in the decision to give the Afghan rebels access to a fortune in covert funding and top-level combat weaponry continue to defend that move in the context of the Cold War. Sen. Orrin Hatch, a senior Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee making those decisions, told my colleague Robert Windrem that he would make the same call again today even knowing what bin Laden would do subsequently. “It was worth it,” he said.

 

“Those were very important, pivotal matters that played an important role in the downfall of the Soviet Union,” he said.

Indeed, the U.S. started backing Al Qaeda’s forefathers even before the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. As Brzezinski told Le Nouvel Observateur in a 1998 interview:

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

 

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Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

 

B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

The Washington Post reported in 2002:

The United States spent millions of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled with violent images and militant Islamic teachings ….

 

The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system’s core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books ….

The Council on Foreign Relations notes:

The 9/11 Commission report (PDF) released in 2004 said some of Pakistan’s religious schools or madrassas served as “incubators for violent extremism.” Since then, there has been much debate over madrassas and their connection to militancy.

 

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New madrassas sprouted, funded and supported by Saudi Arabia and U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, where students were encouraged to join the Afghan resistance.

And see this.

Veteran journalist Robert Dreyfuss writes:

For half a century the United States and many of its allies saw what I call the “Islamic right” as convenient partners in the Cold War.

 

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In the decades before 9/11, hard-core activists and organizations among Muslim fundamentalists on the far right were often viewed as allies for two reasons, because they were seen a fierce anti-communists and because the opposed secular nationalists such as Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser, Iran’s Mohammed Mossadegh.

 

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By the end of the 1950s, rather than allying itself with the secular forces of progress in the Middle East and the Arab world, the United States found itself in league with Saudi Arabia’s Islamist legions. Choosing Saudi Arabia over Nasser’s Egypt was probably the single biggest mistake the United States has ever made in the Middle East.

 

A second big mistake … occurred in the 1970s, when, at the height of the Cold War and the struggle for control of the Middle East, the United States either supported or acquiesced in the rapid growth of Islamic right in countries from Egypt to Afghanistan. In Egypt, Anwar Sadat brought the Muslim Brotherhood back to Egypt. In Syria, the United States, Israel, and Jordan supported the Muslim Brotherhood in a civil war against Syria. And … Israel quietly backed Ahmed Yassin and the Muslim Brotherhood in the West Bank and Gaza, leading to the establishment of Hamas.

 

Still another major mistake was the fantasy that Islam would penetrate the USSR and unravel the Soviet Union in Asia. It led to America’s support for the jihadists in Afghanistan. But … America’s alliance with the Afghan Islamists long predated the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 and had its roots in CIA activity in Afghanistan in the 1960s and in the early and mid-1970s. The Afghan jihad spawned civil war in Afghanistan in the late 1980s, gave rise to the Taliban, and got Osama bin Laden started on building Al Qaeda.

 

Would the Islamic right have existed without U.S. support? Of course. This is not a book for the conspiracy-minded. But there is no question that the virulence of the movement that we now confront—and which confronts many of the countries in the region, too, from Algeria to India and beyond—would have been significantly less had the United States made other choices during the Cold War.

In other words, if the U.S. and our allies hadn’t backed the radical violent Muslims instead of more stable, peaceful groups in the Middle East, radical Islam wouldn’t have grown so large.

Pakistani nuclear scientist and peace activist Perez Hoodbhoy writes:

Every religion, including Islam, has its crazed fanatics. Few in numbers and small in strength, they can properly be assigned to the “loony” section. This was true for Islam as well until 1979, the year of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Indeed, there may well have been no 911 but for this game-changer.

 

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Officials like Richard Perle, Assistant Secretary of Defense, immediately saw Afghanistan not as the locale of a harsh and dangerous conflict to be ended but as a place to teach the Russians a lesson. Such “bleeders” became the most influential people in Washington .

 

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The task of creating such solidarity fell upon Saudi Arabia, together with other conservative Arab monarchies. This duty was accepted readily and they quickly made the Afghan Jihad their central cause…. But still more importantly, to go heart and soul for jihad was crucial at a time when Saudi legitimacy as the guardians of Islam was under strong challenge by Iran, which pointed to the continued occupation of Palestine by America’s partner, Israel. An increasing number of Saudis were becoming disaffected by the House of Saud – its corruption, self-indulgence, repression, and closeness to the US. Therefore, the Jihad in Afghanistan provided an excellent outlet for the growing number of militant Sunni activists in Saudi Arabia, and a way to deal with the daily taunts of the Iranian clergy.

 

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The bleeders soon organized and armed the Great Global Jihad, funded by Saudi Arabia, and executed by Pakistan. A powerful magnet for militant Sunni activists was created by the US. The most hardened and ideologically dedicated men were sought on the logic that they would be the best fighters. Advertisements, paid for from CIA funds, were placed in newspapers and newsletters around the world offering inducements and motivations to join the Jihad.

 

American universities produced books for Afghan children that extolled the virtues of jihad and of killing communists. Readers browsing through book bazaars in Rawalpindi and Peshawar can, even today, sometimes find textbooks produced as part of the series underwritten by a USAID $50 million grant to the University of Nebraska in the 1980′s . These textbooks sought to counterbalance Marxism through creating enthusiasm in Islamic militancy. They exhorted Afghan children to “pluck out the eyes of the Soviet enemy and cut off his legs”. Years after the books were first printed they were approved by the Taliban for use in madrassas – a stamp of their ideological correctness and they are still widely available in both Afghanistan and Pakistan.

 

At the international level, Radical Islam went into overdrive as its superpower ally, the United States, funneled support to the mujahideen. Ronald Reagan feted jihadist leaders on the White House lawn, and the U.S. press lionized them.

And the chief of the visa section at the U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia (J. Michael Springmann, who is now an attorney in private practice) says that the CIA insisted that visas be issued to Afghanis so they could travel to the U.S. to be trained in terrorism in the United States, and then sent back to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets.

CIA Trained Ramzi Yousef and Other Key Terrorists

Moreover, Jane’s Defense Weekly – a respected and widely-cited British military journal – reported in October 2001 that Ramzi Yousef and the other World Trade Center bombers were trained by the CIA and ISI (via the Internet Archive):

Pakistan’s sinister Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) remains the key to providing accurate information to the US-led alliance in its war against Osama bin Laden and his Taliban hosts in Afghanistan. Known as Pakistan’s ‘secret army’ and ‘invisible government’, its shadowy past is linked to political assassinations and the smuggling of narcotics as well as nuclear and missile components.

 

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The ISI chief, Lt Gen Mahmood Ahmed, who was visiting Washington when New York and the Pentagon were attacked, agreed to share desperately needed information about the Taliban with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and other US security officials. The CIA has well-established links with the ISI, having trained it in the 1980s to ‘run’ Afghan mujahideen (holy Muslim warriors), Islamic fundamentalists from Pakistan as well as Arab volunteers by providing them with arms and logistic support to evict the Soviet occupation of Kabul.

 

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After the ignominious Soviet withdrawal from Kabul in 1989 the ISI, determined to achieve its aim of extending Pakistan’s ‘strategic depth’ and creating an Islamic Caliphate by controlling Afghanistan and the Central Asian Republics, began sponsoring a little-known Pathan student movement in Kandhar that emerged as the Taliban. The ISI used funds from Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto’s federal government and from overseas Islamic remittances to enrol graduates from thousands of madrassahs (Muslim seminaries) across Pakistan to bolster the Taliban (Islamic students), who were led by the reclusive Mullah Muhammad Omar. Thereafter, through a ruthless combination of bribing Afghanistan’s ruling tribal coalition (which was riven with internecine rivalry), guerrilla tactics and military support the ISI installed the Taliban regime in Kabul in 1996. It then helped to extend its control over 95 per cent of the war-torn country and bolster its military capabilities. The ISI is believed to have posted additional operatives in Afghanistan just before the 11 September attacks in the US. Along with Osama bin Laden, intelligence sources say a number of other infamous names emerged from the 1980s ISI-CIA collaboration in Afghanistan. These included Mir Aimal Kansi, who assassinated two CIA officers outside their office in Langley, Virginia, in 1993, Ramzi Yousef and his accomplices involved in the New York World Trade Center bombing five years later as well as a host of powerful international narcotics smugglers.

Ramzi Yousef was not only the mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, but also a key member of the Bojinka Plot … the blueprint for 9/11. And see this.

Bosnia

As professor of strategy at the Naval War College and former National Security Agency intelligence analyst and counterintelligence officer John R. Schindler documents, the U.S. supported Bin Laden and other Al Qaeda terrorists in Bosnia.

U.S. Let Al Qaeda Escape After 9/11

Whatever its origins, you would think – at the least – the U.S. hammered Al Qaeda after 9/11.

In reality:

We Support Saudi Arabia and Other Sponsors of Terrorism

We noted above that Saudi Arabia is backing the ISIS terrorists.  The Saudi monarchy is one of the most brutal dictatorships in the world, and yet the U.S. has been heavily backing it for decades.

The Saudis support the most extreme strain of Islamic terrorism, and may well have backed the 9/11 hijackers And see this.

The U.S. also heavily backs the other supporters of the ISIS terrorists, including Qatar, Jordan, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, and Turkey.  In other words, we back direct sponsors of terrorists.

Conclusion: A Long Legacy of Backing Evil

57 years ago, the U.S. and Britain approved the use of Islamic extremists – including the Muslim Brotherhood – in Syria.

According to NBC News, the U.S. and Israel are supporting terrorists in Iran.

And the U.S. intentionally armed Al Qaeda in Libya. Our backing of Sunni extremists in Libya led to attacks on our embassies in Libya and Tunisia.

The bottom line, sadly, is that the U.S. has backed the world’s most dangerous and radical Muslim terrorists for decades. And see this.

Postscript: A former high-level Al Qaeda commander has repeatedly alleged that ISIS works for the CIA.

 

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Mon, 08/11/2014 - 21:58 | 5080147 Uncle Remus
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I think there is a small proportion of the populace that exerts an undue amount of influence over almost every aspect of life on the planet, including rivals within that small proportion. Individuals within the small proportion are not limited to one group either. This is not new. What is new is the technology used to exert that undue influence and that fact that we are near the limits of the planet to support human population.

With regards to "law", well, I am not one of those that believes we can do without an agreed upon set of rules by which a civil society can function, a set of rules that must centered around liberty and personal responsibility. Nor does the set of rules of one society take precedence over another nor or any of them "chosen".

When this society finally augers in, and it will, I am not interested in retribution for any real or perceived slights to some group I feel or have a kinship with, but rather to rid the gene pool of the sociopaths and psycopaths that prey on their own family if given the chance. "It can be catholics, jews, baptists, islam, black, white, yellow, red...no matter, at the end of the day" the sociopaths and psycopaths need to be cleansed from the planet like the fucking cancer that they are.

Nature, if allowed, will deal with the stupid.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 22:41 | 5080321 nmewn
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I believe we're mostly on the same page Remus, except for who or what controls "the law".

+1 ;-)

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 22:46 | 5080339 Uncle Remus
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Well, with regards to ' who or what controls "the law"', I suspect we both may be surprised to some extent.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 23:23 | 5080445 nmewn
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Pogo?...lol.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 20:44 | 5079783 Jumbotron
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Fuck you Remus....the Russians have been using the Muzzies as puppets since the Jew came back to the land of Israel.  And they have been arming them to the teeth with all kinds of Russian hardware.

You know this.  And if you don't ....then why don't you look and any picture or video at random in any printed newspaper, or newsreel or encyclopedia.....much less the web or youtube....and you will see a Russian weapon being used by the rag head.

Fuck you and your willful ignorance.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 22:31 | 5080270 Uncle Remus
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Off the top of my head I can't come up with a single group that hasn't "been using the Muzzies as puppets", including other "Muzzies". I think the salient point here is that you may have the desire to kill every Muslim on the planet and you may well get your wish. But, there will just be a different puppet to take their place. Will it be the Mormons? Mennonites? 7th Day Adventists? Southern Baptists - oi, there's a group you need to keep an eye on. Buddhists, Hindus (idolators - the lot of them!) or what about those scary knife-wielding turban-brandishing (like that one?) Sikhs? What about the guys in the Amazon forest? If you thought digging Osama out of a cave was tough - we-he-ell - you ain't seen nothing yet. Of course, whomever the puppet du jour might be, they will obviously have to be an existential enemy of Israel.

 

There's always a puppet-in-waiting. Always.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 18:55 | 5079208 George Washington
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I understand your view. However - as documented in the main post - Islamic terrorists are brutally killing Christians with arms and training that AMERICA and its allies gave them.

Are you okay with that?

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 19:47 | 5079503 logicalman
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Psychopaths on all sides are using any excuse to justify killing innocent people for their own ends.

It's happening everywhere to some degree.

Psychopathy, the State and Organized religions is a terrible combination.

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 19:09 | 5079305 nmewn
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"And its allies".

"Are you okay with that?"

No I'm not.

You know by now I hate Obama & Hitlary with a purple passion, if for only their own blinding stupidity in thinking they have "partners" in the ME. They're idiots and they're going to get a lot more people killed because they're idiots.

Just like their "good friend Chris."

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 19:14 | 5079333 George Washington
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Yes, it's Obummer & Hitlary ... and George W., Billy-Bob, George H.W., Carter etc. etc. The "special relationship" with the brutal Saudis etc. goes WAY back.

This pretty well sums up the attitude of TPTB (6-year U.S. congressman Joe Scarborough says that – even if the Saudi government backed the 9/11
attacks – Saudi oil is too important to do anything about it):

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 02:40 | 5080778 Duffy
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Israel backed the 9/11 attacks, and you know it.

The Saudis provided the patsies, and you can bet that "new evidence" tying the Saudi state to 9/11 will be fabricated to justify regime change there.

Web searches of Israel and 9/11, even granting there's a lot of naked racism and disinfo and paranoia should still nevertheless indicate that Israel was involved.  The official narrative is absurd.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 19:27 | 5079394 nmewn
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Its not a view I hold (regarding the Saudis). I would kill every prince associated with funding them.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 03:18 | 5080824 bunnyswanson
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Suing for reparations in an international court is a reasonable expectation to the outcome of a trial.  Think of the cost of 911 and subsequent ravaging of the planet..  Trillions of dollars could be restored into the USA.  It has been done before and I see no reason why the outcome would be no different.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 06:35 | 5080925 ebear
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Good way to take a lot of treasury debt off the books.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 18:59 | 5079236 Jumbotron
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My God....SHUT THE FUCK UP !!!

The Muzzies have been killing EVERYONE since the time of Moo-hammed.  LOOonnng before America was even a dream in someone's mind.

Yes....so we armed them.  But what about the RUSSIANS you silly shit ?   HOW MANY MORE PICTURES AND VIDEOS DO I HAVE TO LOOK AT WITH THESE FILTHY RAG HEADS HOLDING UP KALISHNIKOVS OF VARIOUS CONFIGURATIONS.

THE MUZZIES ARE ARMED TO THE FUCKING TEETH WITH RUSSIAN WEAPONRY YOU DUMB, SELF DELUDED FUCK, LOOONG BEFORE THEY GOT A HOLD OF AMERICAN FIREPOWER.

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 20:01 | 5079571 Duffy Duck
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Hey Jumbotroll - easy on the caps lock.

It makes you look like a Ziopath.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 20:40 | 5079772 Jumbotron
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G.W. needs someone with balls to yell at him for his rank bullshit.

The Russians WAAAAAyyyyy more than 'Merkins have supplied the spawn of Satan's ass....that being the Muzzies.

Tanks....rocket launchers, Kalishnikovs, even Migs.

So fuck off.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 02:44 | 5080783 Duffy
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ISIS and Al Nusra and Al Qaeda were not armed by Ivan, sweetie. 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 22:02 | 5080020 logicalman
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Jumbo.

I think i'm going to put you on my 'don't even waste time commenting on' list.

There are none so blind as those who's brain can't process logical inputs, to paraphrase.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 21:02 | 5079867 Duffy Duck
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Both Americans and Russians have sold weapons to Muslim states. The Point GW made, which you missed, is that the weapons ISIS now have, or a lot of them, came from the US, through Turkey, into Syria.  They also go American hardware indirectly through capture in Iraq.  The Russians have not armed non-state jihadi groups in the way the US, Saudi Arabia, and, yes, it seems Israel has.

The Russians have armed Syria and Iran and in doing so have likely prevented MOAR Zionist/Neocon planned wars - of course you aren't troubled by dead Muslim civilians, I know.

I hope the Russians give Iran icbms and nukes. Syria too.  Best thing that could happen would be to stop American and Israeli aggression and regime change ops in the ME and around the world.  The weapons the Americans and Israelis provide have been exclusively to wage aggressive, Balkanizing wars.

God didn't come up with the Oded Yinon line of plans, shithead - Ziopaths did.

 

 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 02:44 | 5080782 Duffy
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Well said - especially as to the non-state actors, Duffy!

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 21:12 | 5079918 nmewn
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They're using brand new AK's spud. The only M16's you'll see are captured weapons from the Shia in the "Iraqi army" who tossed them down and ran like Frenchies to get dressed up in civilian clothes.

You should really pay more attention to the details.

Which leads to the question of, where did they get the civilian clothes, before or after they threw down their weapons?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 02:43 | 5080781 Duffy
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You think all the AKs in the world come from the Russians, do you?

"lol"

Also, is ISIS only using AKs, or is that what's in the videos you've seen?

Don't abandon your skepticism just where it dovetails with your bias, young man.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 18:08 | 5078957 Carl LaFong
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Where is the condemnation of Hamas for persecuting Christians in Gaza? http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2009/December/Rights-Group-Hamas...

Why are ISIS bad terrorist and Hamas good ones? They both use and kill innocent civilians. They both persecute Christians. They both promote genocide. Hamas just hasn't had the big opportunity that ISIS has had to practice it. It's in their freaking charter, just like it's in the PLO charter. Why not publish their charter in one of your illuminating articles? I dare you to expose those rodent barbarians for what they are. You could do a follow-up article by publishing the PLO/Fatah charter. Why not let your readers see the genocidal barbarians for what they are and decide for themselves? Why do you only print the sanitzed and "approved for Western readers" version of who these lowlifes really are?

I know it isn't politically correct to mention their real goals...ever. I guess that's not really important for today's "journalist" who would rather mold opinion than report all the facts. After all, those Charters are just words on paper so one can pretend they don't exist or have meaning as long as one's political agenda is protected. It appears you believe that terrorists who promote the genocide of the "zionist state" are the good genocidal terrorists. But those who promote the genocide of Christians are the bad genocidal terrorsts. The only conclusion one can draw is obvioius. You believe there is "good genocide" and "bad genocide." I get it now.

Your daring "anti-Israel political correctness" is starting to fray at the edges pretty badly. GW - You should think a little more about what you write so you don't end up blowing hot air out of both sides of your mouth. 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 18:20 | 5079003 Jumbotron
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Damn straight.  No one says a thing about their precious little Hamas Muzzies killing Christians because they are doing the good work of killing Jews.

That's why so many on this site are silent.  They support Hamas' goal of wiping out the Jews.  And they would all cheer and upvoting each other if ISIS were to suddenly veer off course from the Green Zone of Baghdad and turn to Jerusalem.

You know how you can stop ISIS ?   Easy.....have them do just that.  Take a hard left turn and head straight to Jerusalem.

Then let's see if the little rag head, throw backs to the 7th century are so willing to chop heads when they are picking up their splattered guts off the sand west of Israel.

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 18:39 | 5079112 George Washington
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I am 100% against anyone killing Jews.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 22:46 | 5080337 Frostfan1
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I would argue differently on the whole subject but I green arrow the above comment

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 18:42 | 5079128 nmewn
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Thats not going to go over well with your foaming at the mouth followers ;-)

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 20:08 | 5079614 Duffy Duck
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Plenty of foam on your gob, nmewn.  Whom do you follow?

The Saudis are naughty for supporting whackjob psychopaths, but the Zios are doing g0d's work, are they?

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 20:21 | 5079681 nmewn
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I noticed this GW quote, qué horror!...

"I am 100% against anyone killing Jews."

...got two down votes.

Were you one of them duck boy or is duffy with you this evening? ;-)

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 20:44 | 5079787 Duffy Duck
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zzzz.  get some new tricks, shithead. Unlike Jumbotroll and, perhaps you, I have never, ever made declarations against "all" of any group.  You fucking half-wits cry anti-semite and jew hate at the drop of a hat, even in response to specific acts of a government or individual, but then feel free to dispense sweeping generalizations about the groups you apparently feel its politically correct to hate.

I don't want to see anyone getting killed over politics, or gas pipelines, or a reserve currency, but unlike you, I don't think Israel or Jewish psychopaths get a pass.

 

You, however, seem to celebrate death, and for all your easy, trite rhetoric, you're apparently too goddamned dumb to understand that there's a difference between the actions of the IDF or Likud or AIPAC and "Joos."

Actually, you do, most likely, understand - but it's easier to just be the guy shouting or insinuating 'jew hate' to appear like some sham internet hero, and are untroubled by the plain evidence of Arab and Muslim (and non-death cult Christian) hate your ideological fellow travellers engage in with near impunity.

If you had any fucking integrity, you'd be dispensing your hackneyed verbal jabs at the falconflights and jumbotrolls on this board instead of rushing to be the 5th guy in line to cry antisemite when someone suggests thay maybe, just maybe, the Israeli war machine was deliberately killing people, the indigenous inhabitants of their country, they, and you, regard as sub-human.

Now, go fuck yourself, bitch.

:o}

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 21:37 | 5080049 nmewn
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Like I said, frothing at the mouth.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 02:45 | 5080784 Duffy
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Like he said, so are you.

Weak response, by the way.

 

Cookie?

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 18:55 | 5079207 Jumbotron
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Damn straight.

You don't want them killed.  You want them driven from the land by a hoard of 7th century barbarians who you suppose would make the land of Palestine SOOOOoooooo much better than it is now.

Fuck off.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 18:57 | 5079217 George Washington
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Dear Hasbara, I don't want Jews driven from Israel.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 19:43 | 5079481 logicalman
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They STOLE it, and therefore should be driven out.

Not killed, Put 'em all on air conditioned buses and drive them out.Suggest they return to the land of their great-grandparents.

Seems like a more reasonable solution than I've seen mentioned anywhere recently.

The place is called Palestine.

Sounds like the kind of place a Palestinian might call home.

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 20:37 | 5079744 Jumbotron
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Fuck you and your willful ignorance.  The Jews had a kingdom there 3000 years ago.  The ancients said you could see the Temple sparkle from gold like the sun for dozens of miles.

They stole nothing.  There are no such things as "Palestinians".....which is an anglicanized version of Philistine.  The Philistine vanished from the earth as a discernable tribe centuries ago.  So called "Palestinians" are simply the offspring of Arab nomads and "Jordanians" who roamed the land with no homeland for centuries. 

If you're so pissed off about "stolen" land then get pissed at the British.  They had the power after WW1.  They drew the boundaries.  Well guess what junior.....that's what victors get to do.  The rag head Turks made a mistake and fought on the wrong side of the war and lost.  Get the fuck over it.  We kicked your ass....you lose your land.  Period....end of story. Suck it !

And guess what rag heads.....nobody in the world wants these Jews.....so we are going to put them back close to their original homeland and capital.

So fuck off logicalman.  The Jew is back and is never going to leave.....and they are not taking shit from any filthy, shit eating 7th century throwback motherfucker with a sword and a religious chip on his shoulder.

Bring it Muzzies.  The more you come to Israel, the more of you die.  And guess what.....the world will not help you and neither will your fake, pig fucking god Allah.

Allahu Snackbar on that.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 21:27 | 5080001 logicalman
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If brains were dynamite, you couldn''t blow your fucking hat off.

See other post.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 21:22 | 5079974 Duffy Duck
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The Jews had a kingdom there 3000 years ago.

No, they most certainly did not. There isn't a trace of any such kingdom.  Not a fucking trace.  You trip over Egyptian and Assyrian and other groups artifacts, but there's no trace of the mythical kingdoms of David. There's barely a trace of an Aramaen chieftain who may have had a name similar to 'David' but some think even that (tel dan inscription) is a forgery.

But there is zero reason to believe in the large powerful kingdom the OT describes anyway, but especially given the ample evidence that the Egyptians were all over Canaan at the time which religious nuts have claimed the exodus occurred and David lived - evidence of Egyptian rule is, relatively, abundant.

 

Do you even care, all bullshit aside, do you care at all about what the facts are?  I don't think you do - you're just another brainwashed halfwit death cult fundie with absolutely no knowledge of ancient history or genetics or, apparently, anything else.

 

Sapere aude, bitch:

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/chosen-people.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wNyDP5N1HU

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/science/ashkenazi-origins-may-be-with-...

 

Admit it, you're afraid to take an hour of from trolling to check out these links.  lol.

 

And the genetic evidence is inarguable that the Palestinian "Arabs" are as genetically tied to ancient Canaan as any Jew, and certainly more so than the Ashkenazi, who, as discussed in the last link above, are mostly of European origin matrilineally.  fwiw, I think the "Khazar" theory many people spout is, while not completely untrue, the Khazar nobility certainly did convert and there's tons of evidence about it, the idea that the Ashkenazi 'are' Khazars is not supported by much evidence.

 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 02:47 | 5080786 Duffy
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You didn't seriously expect him to look at your links, did you?  Faith is faith because it is absolutely resistant to contrary evidence.

He's a zombie, and I suspect on some level he knows it.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 05:09 | 5080875 bunnyswanson
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH_Bs-pN46s

 

Here is a 55 min clip "The Whole Story'

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 19:00 | 5079250 Jumbotron
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Bingo....I rest my case.

Thanks Ahmed.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 18:15 | 5078990 George Washington
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It has been documented by high-level American government officials - including Ron Paul - that the U.S. and Israel helped to CREATE Hamas.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 18:25 | 5079025 Jumbotron
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Fuck you George.  Fuck off and die.  We are SSOOOOoooo sick of your shit.

And Fuck Ron Paul too.  Useless old fart.   Liberty this and liberty that.  Liberty is bought with a gun....not useless words from some old dried up fart.

What if we and Israel created EVERY single terrorist organzation on the planet.  That means these little rag head shit eaters are even MORE pathetic than first thought. 

Always the puppet.....never the civilized man.  Their Blood God ideology makes them so easy to control by 'Merkins and Joos.

Well....that makes me respect the Muzzie WAY more than I did just a second ago.....ROTFLMFAO !!!!

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 18:38 | 5079101 George Washington
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DFTT

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 18:53 | 5079192 Jumbotron
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That means a fucking lot from a guy who uses an avatar of another man who had false teeth and was so chicken shit about the slavery issue he decided that in order to keep the new union together he could let that whole "all men are created equal" slide a little so it didn't include blacks, women and native americans.

Once again.....fuck off.  We're sick of your shit and your useless "revelations".

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 20:15 | 5079654 Duffy Duck
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No Jumbo, you and your braindead hypocrisy and 8th grade education should fuck off.  You soil your panties over someone noting the *fact* Israel fostered Hamas to divide the Palestinians.  For idiot ziopaths like you, it's simply not a crime if the Jewish State does it, because you're a brainwashed cunt who does little more than spew absurdities and genuine group hate for *all* Muslims while crying anti-Semite when someone, for example, notes that the Zionists engaged in barbarism, terror and ethnic cleansing to found their state.

You're a dumb cunt, and all you do is post dumb cunt bullshit.   Why don't you fuck off to some Death Cult Zio site where everyone else is stupid enough to think the Creator of the Universe hates terrorism and murder except when Jews do it.

Fuck you.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 20:26 | 5079701 Jumbotron
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Duck off....Jew hating Muzzie ball licking mother fucker.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 02:50 | 5080787 Duffy
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Funny coming from a homophobic "Muzzie" hater. I guess you're confident you can spew all the hate you want about non-Jews and never fear being banned, eh?

Cute.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 02:57 | 5080794 bunnyswanson
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And banned he should be.  He's a thread killer.

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