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Putin Defies Western Warning, Will Send "Aid Convoy" To East Ukraine
This may get messy.
Following days of loud warnings by the West that Putin should not take any moves to send "humanitarian" aid into East Ukraine, due to western fears that this would be merely a pretext for invasion, Putin said on Monday that Russia will go ahead and send an aid convoy to eastern Ukraine anyway.
As was reported earlier, Ukraine announced that Russia has amassed 45,000 troops on its border, following by the now-daily NATO threat that there was a "high probability" that Moscow could intervene militarily in the country's east, so to many this is just the catalyst that the Kremlin could use to enter the civil war-ridden territory to support ethnic Russians, but ultimately to conduct yet another "Crimea." As a reminder, despite the constant grumblings by the West and certainly Kiev, there is zero probability that the annexed territory will be relinquished by Putin. As a further reminder, it was the emergence of local mysterious "peacekeepers" that made the annexation of Crimea a quick and painless transition, one in which not a shot was fired. The concern is that that was merely the appetizer with the shale-rich Donbass region serving as the main course.
According to Reuters, European Commission President Barroso "delivered a blunt message in a telephone call with Putin on Monday. "President Barroso warned against any unilateral military actions in Ukraine, under any pretext, including humanitarian," the Commission said in a statement."
The Kremlin, in its own account of the conversation, made clear that Moscow would indeed send help to largely Russian-speaking eastern Ukraine. We also doubt very much that Putin cared much if at all about any warnings uttered by the unelected Eurocrat.
"It was noted that the Russian side, in collaboration with representatives of the International Committee of the Red Cross, is sending an aid convoy to Ukraine," the Kremlin statement said, without saying when the convoy was going.
And now that Putin's mind is made up, Ukraine has no choice but to accept, albeit with its so-called conditions:
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said he supported an aid mission but made clear it had to be an international effort under the aegis of the Red Cross, involving the European Union as well as Russia. Poroshenko said U.S. President Barack Obama had also backed the international plan when they spoke on the telephone on Monday.
The International Committee of the Red Cross made no immediate comment, although last weekend it issued a statement acknowledging receipt of an offer from Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov about organizing aid convoys.
Surely Russia will closely "heed" Ukraine's conditions.
To be sure, NATO is displeased. Quote its Secretary General Rasmussen: "We see the Russians developing the narrative and the pretext for such an operation under the guise of a humanitarian operation, and we see a military build-up that could be used to conduct such illegal military operations in Ukraine," he said.
And yet, Russia appears set to enter east Ukraine despite NATO objections.
It goes without saying that all it would take for a full blown escalation, one that not even the algo-driven market could ignore, would be a Russian casualty operating in Ukraine under a "humanitarian" umbrella, wether legitimate or due to a "false flag" attack, before the facade of artificial stability on Ukraine's east border crumbles and what was until now a civil war morps into a full-blown international conflict.
Update 1: the readout of the Obama-Poroshenko phone call:
The President spoke this morning with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko about the ongoing crisis in eastern Ukraine. President expressed his strong support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. The two leaders agreed that any Russian intervention in Ukraine without the formal, express consent and authorization of the Ukraine government would be unacceptable and a violation of international law. President Poroshenko also noted the continued shelling of Ukraine’s territory from Russia. President Poroshenko updated the President on his engagement with the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) on the effort to deliver multilateral humanitarian aid to the distressed populations in eastern Ukraine. The President noted the urgency of such humanitarian efforts and encouraged President Poroshenko to continue to exercise restraint and caution in military operations in order to avoid civilian casualties. In light of the ongoing violence and instability, the President and President Poroshenko agreed that all parties should prioritize diplomatic efforts toward finding a political resolution to the crisis.
Update 2: From RIA:
Russian convoy with humanitarian aid will depart to Eastern Ukraine shortly without any military escort - Kremlin spokesman
— RIA Novosti (@ria_novosti) August 11, 2014
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Putine oligarch regime is doing same thing US oligarch regime has done before: arm terrorists, send "peackeepers", occupy teritories, only US has not actually anexed, but that is what zionists do, brainwash population, etc.
Yep, we are seeing two evils fighting for food and we are on the table.
Putin.............F'n with the dip buyers.
The answer of Putin to Barosso was: "Fuck the EU".
Putin is probably short S&P.
He just seems to be that kind of a guy who knows when to make the right bet.
Communist Barroso: “Let them die!” - similar to the debate now going on in Tel Aviv:
The two sides of the Israeli assault: 1) under occupation continue to supply Gaza with only the barest essentials to keep them alive; a few medicines and, believe it or not, a calculation on calories that would keep children and other family members from starving, a public relations problem for Israel, and 2) why continue to keep your enemy alive while it is a menace; these Israeli hawks arguing that a subsistence provision for their prisoners, a few tunnels, a few medicines, some food for life, only continues the Gaza-Likud standoff.
The Jewish presence in Kiev bears a striking resemblance to this philosophy: Why negotiate, just exterminate.
Why negotiate, just exterminate.
Ukrainians remember that as the Holodomor.
"For while the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim.
It doesn't even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organization for their international world swindle, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks." -- MEIN KAMPF,
1994 Budapest Memorandum obligates the USA, Britain, France...and Russia to protect and defend the territorial integrity of Ukraine.
So expect the USA, France and Britain to defend Ukraine. Yes, that means taking back Crimea.
And Yes, once one NATO State faces a foe, the others are obligated to help out.
I doubt very much US troops will face Russian troops, especially "over there". France and Britain?.....come on, you've got to be kidding.,
I doubt US soldiers want to meet veterans of Chechnya.......they would be just like the Wehrmacht invading Soviet space in 1941 in winter
you're smoking some crazy over there, eh?
Re: taking back Crimea...NO government can sign a treaty that contradicts the will of the people. Of course, they do so time and again but that simply means the treaty is invalid.
The Crimea people voted to rejoin Russia. End of.
You are simple man, then. Declare your own autonomous region of Russia. Do it now.
Your comment is a non-sequitur.
I was referring to the so-called Budapest Memorandum you quoted and your comment: "So expect the USA, France and Britain to defend Ukraine. Yes, that means taking back Crimea."
I simply pointed out that no government can sign a Treaty (or Memorandum) which is not agreed by "the people". They simply do not have the mandate. And as I said, the people of Crimea voted to rejoin Russia. End of.
Or perhaps you don't agree with "self-determination"??
Do tell.
smacker, the Treaty was agreed to by the representatives of Ukraine. That is how government works.
If you reject the idea of Crimea being part of Ukraine when the treaty was signed (1994) then you are basically making new histories and throwing out the accepted norms for domestic and international conduct.
I'd crayon out a picture for you if the medium permitted but alas, you are going to have to figure this out "as is".
I'll be watching the international news very closely to see when your "independent Republic of One" within Russia gets bombed.
Sure, this is how government works:- the British govt signed (in a private room with no TV cameras due to Gordon Brown's cowardice) the EU Constitution (aka Lisbon Treaty) without the explicit authorisation of the British people. Is it valid? I don't believe so. There are limits to the powers any government can assume, especially if they claim to be democratic.
So it is with the 1994 Memorandum you refer to covering Crimea: was it authorised by the people? I doubt it.
Since Ukraine's democratically elected govt was overthrown by outside forces and replaced with a puppet fascist government, the Crimea people have voted to rejoin Russia. I believe their choice has to be respected.
I don't think you need to make the Ukrainian people bear this cross for you not feeling the EU is in your interests. Leave them out of it. Let them follow their own path or they will never forgive you.
BTW: As a Russian, why would you even think your opinion mattered, anyways? Your government won't even listen to you unless you agree with them.
Come on? What happens when this all goes south and you want a change? What happens when you grow tired of Czarina Vladima and want a democratic system back? Ya. Then you can just look in the mirror and point the finger the good it will do you.
"smacker, the Treaty was agreed to by the representatives of Ukraine. That is how government works.
If you reject the idea of Crimea being part of Ukraine when the treaty was signed (1994) then you are basically making new histories and throwing out the accepted norms for domestic and international conduct.
I'd crayon out a picture for you if the medium permitted but alas, you are going to have to figure this out "as is".
I'll be watching the international news very closely to see when your "independent Republic of One" within Russia gets bombed."
@ Novictim, you must be confused here let me help you. When you mention "Crimea" you are failing to address it by it designated title "The Peoples Autonomous Republic of Crimea"
I hope this helps you understand why you are incorrect.
The entire Ukrainian debate is awash with lies and injustices. And it is a mistake to believe that Putin will stick to agreements when they are broken and politicized to his disadvantage.
One thing to remember: Putin is a Russian patriot. He will act with sufficient force if it is needed to protect the Russian Federation, and that includes overriding any of these paper agreements while others disregard them.
Was Hitler a German Patriot? No, I think he was a megalomaniac who proved that Germany was a tool to express his artistic vision of the world.
JR, I think Princess Putin is much the same and NOT a true patriot.
I cannot see this psycho humiliating himself if it were to help Russia. He is just a Mother Russian.
Sorry. Putin came up through the KGB, the "Sword and Shield" of the CP-USSR. He is a Nationalist. All of his training was to protect Russia.
The fact that the Russian Orthodox Church is now revered while the US-ZOG goes after Christians is a strong indicator.
Mother Russians are digging their own graves so fast that they don't see their neighbors getting arrested for protesting.
Wow. KGB = Patriot.
If that is the Russian peoples take on things then forget about democracy in Russia.
"No, I think"
That explains a lot
Novictim, I cannot see the Hitler analogy applying to Putin. A much better comparison is the non-patriotic position of the American President Obama to Marshal Stalin’s disregard for the Russian people.
Obama has never intended to operate in the best interests of the United States or its citizens, in contrast with Putin, a strong Christian and a decisive leader who has greatly advanced the interests of the Russian people – both economically and culturally. On the other hand, rarely a day goes by when Obama does not undercut either the US Constitution or the ideals of the American free enterprise system. His intended goal is to make Americans give up some of their standard of living in order to more nearly approach a world average. A leader is elected to represent the interests of his people not to sell or trade away their rights and property for his own selfish ideology. In short, it's cultural and economic treason.
By the way, novictim, you would not be able to pick up many supporters in Russia with a description of Putin as a psycho; that’s about 380 degrees from a correct analogy. Polls show a groundswell of national pride in the Russian people for their leader.
Give it time, JR. That 20 degrees of dispute will be perfectly aligned over time and people will be organizing in secret to get rid of him.
We have seen this all before, haven't we?
Regarding Obambam...yes, he is the worst president we've had yet. And no, Democracy is currently dead in the USA. True true.
Hitler was an Austrian. Name some current American patriots besides Ron Paul? Go luck.
And the convoy will be "escorted" by.........45000 troops, 160 tanks, helicopters, warplanes and assorted birds of prey.
It won't be escorted. Then again if the Ukrainians decide to mess with it.....
what is this smell coming from putin...testosterone maybe... and now when inside ukraine, make a visit to kiev and kick those neo nazis out too so roadmap to peace will be lot easier...they together with "rogue" nuland downed that airliner too so us and russia can both save their faces and have some common ground..ukraine oligarcks you can send to isis troops
Let's see... did the US get Putin's permission to bomb Libya? How about drone strikes in Pakistan or Yemen? No... didn't think so...
Russia did not veto UN resolution for implementing "no-fly zone" in Libya, knowing well how it will end.
Deestruction of Libya served both evil, becauce both if them want to have africa resources for printed money, not dinars backed by gold.
so usa fly in nofly zone=)
Agreed. But don't overlook the Game within the Game: The US (desperately) trying to hang on to the premise that THEY are the ones to... "Define and frame the Argument".
I think and hope that the Europeans and Russians are wise to this mind game.
If you are going to be serious on this topic, then you have to say how the countries involved will honor the Budapest Memoradum or not honor it.
And explain why a international treaty as important as this one could POSSIBLY be ignored?
I think most of you are not quite understanding the situation.
What Budapest Memorandum ?
They don't even need to play dumb, if you hadn't noticed.
Yawn... The USA and EU governments violated the Budapest Memorandum many years ago, when they started directly intefering with Ukraine's sovereignty by funding NGO's and sending government officials (e.g. McCain et al.) during the 2004 Orange Revolution to advocate overthrow of an "unfavorable-to-the West" Ukrainian regime.
All of this in moot anyway, since the Budapest Memrandum was never ratified as a binding treaty by any of the sgnatories, including the USA.
NGO: Non-Governmental Organization.
What don't you understand about Ukrainian Sovereignty and their rights to conduct their own affairs with whomever they please?
Frankly, after the Poroschenko election the argument of "illegitimacy" no longer holds any water.
Your enemy, dear Mother Russian, appears to be 40million Ukrainian citizens. Boy, did you screw the pooch or what? These people DO NOT FORGET.
My prediction: Your Princess Putin will be even more reviled than George W. Bush in 10 years time.
So - why did the autonomous province of Crimea not have the right to vote to rejoin Russia? Please spare me the "election under the barrel of a gun" stuff - no one thinks the majority of Crimeans wanted anything but to join Russia rather than live under the putsch regime.
Frankly, after the Poroschenko election the argument of "illegitimacy" no longer holds any water.
Come... come on, man...
Crack open that history book and look up American Civil War. It's an analogous situation. That should explain it to you.
And no, Texas is not its own country.
And yes, there were international monitors of the latest Ukrainian elections: http://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/ukraine/116545
It was a fair run election.
Crimean election was under the guns of Putin's little green men. Either you are drunk, a paid Mother Russian, or an imbicile. Ok, it must be all three.
No one in the East voted in that election.
Sorry - your response was nothing but horseshit. FWIW I was a history major, maybe its worth little - but the American Civil War is not analogous - not at all.
Care to try again, without the ad hominem?
My speculative theory is as follows:
1) It's now getting on for mid-August. I don't know when exactly
it usually starts snowing in that region of Ukraine but it's going to
be sooner rather than later.
2) If Russia has massed forces on the Ukrainian/Russian border
in preparation for possibly taking over the disputed areas, it will be easier to
do so before it starts snowing rather than after.
3) I found the article below to be very interesting:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/110174...
I have been told that with respect to geopolitics, the author
has connections in very high places in the small island so I
personally make a point of keeping up to date with his articles.
Sometimes they are quite obviously bullshit propaganda such as this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/1098456...
Anyway, his first article essentially says Russia is going
to take over the disputed area of Ukraine so I'm assuming
that that is the current thinking in very high places in the
small island.
4) If Sergei Glazyey's comments from 10th June
accurately reflect the Russian elite's thinking, they
feel they have no choice but to take over the
disputed area of Ukraine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWT5HM_NMlI&list=PLHS4KH8qkEfbz57RrnjwbBn...
I appreciate there's alot of other moving parts not
addressed by these points but taken together
I'm erring on the side of Russia taking over the
disputed areas.
"disputed areas" there is as much as dispute as you can get if neighboring country turns out to be bully and makes occupation in part of your country.
There are no "disputed areas" by international law between Russia an Ukraine. There has been illegal anexation of Crimea and now Putine regime tries that in easter Ukrain again - so far unsuccesfuly.
I hear you. I use the term as someone who doesn't directly have a dog in
this fight.
You know where the annexation of Crimea is legal?
In Crimea.
The "moving parts" are all just Russian military assets?
Do you think that the 40million Ukrainians and their Western allies might have something to say about this?
You might also consider that leaving an invading Russian army in the field in Ukraine is tantamount to Putin playing a reverse-Napoleon. That is, the winter is a disaster in BOTH directions and for the same reasons.
Please take into your consideration the Western Signatories of the 1994 Budapest Treaty. Then add to this the Poles, the Baltic States, the Georgians and all the post Soviet countries who have LOOOONNNNGGGG memories of brutal Russian occupation.
Again, to be serious you have to see both sides and their ability to act.
I know that many of you are Mother Russians but put down the bottle and sober up. The future for Russia can and SHOULD be a bright one. If you go down this STUPID road then that all goes pffft!
No, I don't. When I referred to "moving parts" I meant:
delusions of global nuclear primacy on the part of the US
elite (for the cheap seats, not Americans as a whole, the
two are not the same); the US elite's desire to include Ukraine
in NATO and station anti-ICBMs there to, by their way of thinking,
achieve this goal; the US elite's desire for Europe to remain a
vassal of said elite; the US elite's fear of a Eurasian
German/Russian/Chinese power axis developing, which
would lead to said axis usurping the US elite as global
hegemon (and that's ignoring the rest of the BRICs),
and thereby destroy the US dollar as the global
reserve currency, which in turn would lead to, at
the least, significant social, economic and political
disruption in the US; the desire of the US elite and
other globalists to essentially take over Russia in
order to loot its natural resources again,
specifically to destroy the siloviki and replace them
with "Western" [sic] puppets to allow said looting
by the global 0.01% to occur; UKraine's essential bankruptcy,
it takes money to fight wars, which Ukraine most definitely
does not have; European dependence on Russian
gas; a desire on the part of the globalists to
start Cold War 2.0, both as a distraction for the
Western sheeple (to take their mind of their
continually declining standard of living) but,
more importantly, to lead to the rearming of
all of Europe so the US MIC (military-industrial
complex) can make supranormal profits again, etc.,
etc.
I'm done for the day.
You need three things:
#1 Paragraphs. They really help the reader see your thought process.
#2 A passport
#3 A long vacation in which you tour several EU countries, the Baltics and Russia so that you can get your head screwed on straight.
One would hope then that you would come to appreciate and understand that there are independent peoples living their lives in relative peace and prosperity and there are people living shit lives and everything in between.
From this it would be hoped that you would see certain patterns where the worst conditions are in the post Soviet bloc and the best everywhere else. That corruption is a problem that ranges from non-existent to rampant. And that the Russians (of the past?) are widely felt to be the biggest imperialists and oppressors that Europe ever experienced. One dreams that all the nonsense you are spewing, the incoherent name dropping and paranoid references would appear to you as much a joke as they do to me after such a trip! What a miracle that would be!
But more than that, perhaps you could develop a sense that these are real people, that their lives are not on a chess board but are as real and as important as YOURS. That you might even CARE about their future, both those in the West including Russia and those around the world.
Or one might pray that medications, if needed, were taken as directed.
Ah, the ad hominem attack again, I do so enjoy it.
Fuck off you smug, pompous, condescending, arrogant cunt.
Barroso is only President of the European Commission an unelected Politburo......the former Maoist is simply a figurehead and should not be calling Putin who is an elected Head of State.
How the jumped-up Portuguese twerp over-reaches himself...he loves yachts of Greek billionaires
Barroso is just a plotician, a bought mouthpiece and errand goy.
He might as well be a PR agent for Wall St. or Spain's hoodwinked banks.
...but NATO placing missles in Poland was not provocative? It seems to me that NATO has been the aggressor here over the years. Russia could be just another world competitor. the USA has chosen to view Russia as a threat. One wonders how Putin might have reacted if the actions of NATO were different.
...and what ever happened to the warm and friendly relationship between Barry O and the Kremlin?
I hate to be forced to consider all the unconfirmed conspiracy 'news' but without an agenda that is clearly articulated by the West one must consider or even suppose that some of the things being said about CIA involvement in the Maidan protests of 7 months ago are true. There have been so many lies told to us (Americans) over the years and even more so the silence on important issues (monetary) that it seems safe to assume the US government is always lying. If they can't find a convincing lie then we expect silence. The idea that our politicians will sit for serious questioning is a relic of a bygone era.
Just what is NATO about ? Keeping has-beens like Britain in the game and paranoiacs like Poland feeling loved
"Russia could be just another world competitor. the USA has chosen to view Russia as a threat. One wonders how Putin might have reacted if the actions of NATO were different."
Alas, it's now the $64,000 question.
You don't own Poland, Mother Russian.
Poland is independent democracy and can buil military infrastructure without consulting Putin regime.
The Pollocks are about as independent as an oozing hemorrhoid on John McStain's bunghole.
Thank you.
It is the West who has betrayed its promises.
While Backdoor Barry dithers about his out of control head-choppers, Russia has an actual humanitarian duty to support the Russian-heritage people of Ukraine.
The utter hypocrisy of the west is stunning.
The US does not have the resources to fight a direct war against Russia. It can only resort to tactical nuclear weapons.
Maybe Putin can send Ukraine some aid in the form of natural gas.
Just saying.
a fart in their general direction?
If things go from bad to worse. A very good reference to have
http://newamerica-now.blogspot.com/2014/02/beyond-collapse.html
"European Commission President Barroso "delivered a blunt message in a telephone call with Putin on Monday. "President Barroso warned against any unilateral military actions in Ukraine, under any pretext, including humanitarian," the Commission said in a statement."
LOL. Anybody would think that EU Slimeball-In-Chief Barroso is important.
The dumb Poles have been takeing selfies, of eating apples and posting on Twitter in defiance of Russian sanctions. the wires must have got crossed in translation. Putin did not tell them to eat their aples, Putin said " Stiick them up your Fucking ASS"
Inbred Catholic Pollocks are not the brightest people in the world. Cut them some slack. What they lack in brains, their bovine women almost make up for with hooter size.
Watch out for coup in the White House, silent or televised, but a coup will be, if obama keeps golfing and demands that quantitative easing continues
Al Haig----Nixon
Big Joe---Blowbama
"I am in charge here." Which is more scary: Al Haig or Big Joe?
www.onlinerichesunleashed.com
hopefully the stocks fall for the next 2 days
'NATO will not move one inch to the East',... a solemn promise to Gorbachev by Bush #41's, James Baker (1990-91)-- BUTT, never in writing!
Gorbachev had been had !?! "USSR, U.S. and Russia: Opportunities Lost" (1/31/07)
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-104247.html
note: This is a concise short lesson on history's... 'two greatest contemporary world powers'-- especially, the last two paragraphs summing-up an unmask'd and viral BLOWBACK!!!
jmo
Putin sending "Aid Convoy" baaaaad, Ukrainian govt bombing East ukraine, goooooood. See, it's easy to understand <snicker>
They just follow the IMF's orders... Hand that feeds and all, dotchano ?
Any direct military action, even just sending in "peace keepers", by Putin would be extremely dangerous. It means he is running out of options and his house of cards is on the verge of crashing down. At that point things can very easily spiral out of control. A mistake like that will mean at the very least total trade war with the west. Russia doesn't have friends to help them weather the storm. They will face utter economic annihilation and then Putin just might see further expansion and looting as the only option. If he does send in troops, we can then only hope that his FSB oligarch-buddies will get rid of him swiftly and take control of the situation.
Any direct military action, even just sending in "peace keepers", by Putin would be extremely dangerous. It means he is running out of options and his house of cards is on the verge of crashing down. ...
I understand the Mossad "blue helmet" flunkies are "salty" and ready for action!
Go get 'em DS!!! Your moment has arrived brother!!!! This is what you've been waiting for!!!! Go to Donetsk Baby!!!!
This one's got your name all over it brother and I guarantee you Putin ain't forgetting what you've already done with that fat Zio-Jew slime Kolomoyskyi at the helm!!!
I see many dead Khazars on the horizon in Ukraine!
"To be sure, NATO is displeased. Quote its Secretary General Rasmussen: "We see the Russians developing the narrative and the pretext for such an operation under the guise of a humanitarian operation, and we see a military build-up that could be used to conduct such illegal military operations in Ukraine,"...
Uh Ohhhoooooooooooo!.... Putin's in big trouble now. Mess with "Roffels" and you get the horns!
I'm laughing my ass off at the bought and paid-for Danish piece of shit couldn't piss his way out of a paper bag with Draghi, Barrosso, Kerry and Lew massaging his dick to make it happen!
I'd say Putin's timing is perfect while President "Lance Link" and the rest of the peanut gallery stays mired in Iraq and Syria.
DOW 20,000 anyone?!!!
+100 for "Lance Link, Secret Chimp."
The Russian aid convoy is being sent with no military escort.
Except for the Russian satellite, two-way radio, air surveilance, etc monitoring by the Russian side, of course.
Screw with the convoy at your own profound risk, Kiev beetchez!
I think for Russia the most important thing right now is to improve morale among the separatists. That they have not been forgotten and they won't be abandoned. Will any aid get through, maybe, maybe not. The message is at least as important.
Bring down the Bolshoi for a couple of Nutcrackers
There are already plenty of human rights violations with the Western Ukraine killing civilians - so now let's see that they do to the convoy. Well played, Mr. Putin...
Russian Humantrian aid is sent in the light ,Soros NGOs work in the dark.
Putin also sent aid to Assad but that was more miltiary.
long on more sanctions
I think Germany is going to break one off in Bath House.
buying gas to cover my shorts
The psychosis of war begets more war. Of course fascists of NATO and Kiev will mistake the aid convoy for a tank brigade, shoot first and get the war underway. Let the games begin. WWIII Blues.
live from the 18th hole obama asks, "Did I slice it? Oh, and let me draw a line for putin... here, you can't come on the green."
Reuters-
"A Russian military convoy, disguised as medical staff, invaded the Eastern cities of Donbass early Tuesday morning. Reports have surfaced that they were attempting to use this operation to distribute aid to local terrorists including weapons and fresh supplies under the guise of a humanitarian effort. Documents describing how to roundup the local Jewish population were also discovered at the scene along with mink hats with the ear flaps and Stoli vodka, both Russian staples that connect Putin. Ukrainian forces overwhelmed the Russian terrorists in what seemed like an easy victory with little resistance. President Obama condemned Russia for continuing to provide aid to terrorists and urged Russia to immediately deescalate the situation."
Putin should do the world a favor and bomb Belgium.
Putin should invite Bath House to a summit, then arrest him on Russian soil for Sodomy.
I'm surprised it took this long with all the killing and torture being done by U.S. backed Ukraine military troops. Anybody ever look at the gang we support? Check out these links. Another example of America not knowing who the players are and what we are getting into.
Foreign Policy Journal
Obama Off the Ukrainian Deep End
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/03/17/obama-off-the-ukrainian-deep-end/
The Nation
Seven Decades of Nazi Collaboration: America’s Dirty Little Secret
http://www.thenation.com/blog/179057/seven-decades-nazi-collaboration-americas-dirty-little-ukraine-secret
Huffington Post Politics
The Neo-Nazi Question in Ukraine
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/the-neo-nazi-question-in_b_4938747.html
AlJazeera America
Ultranationalist Neo-Nazi Parties on the March in Ukraine
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/2/ukraine-nationalistantisemitismneonaziviolence.html
Consortium News (Robert Parry’s website)
Ukraine’s Neo Nazi Imperative
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/20/ukraines-neo-nazi-imperative/
Global Research
Burning Ukraine’s Protestors Alive - Neo-Nazi Shock Troops Supported by US
http://www.globalresearch.ca/burning-ukraines-protesters-alive-neo-nazi-shock-troops-supported-by-us/5381721
BBC
Neo Nazi Threat in New Ukraine: Newsnight broadcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY
The Guardian
It’s Not Russia That Pushed the Ukraine to the Brink of War
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict
International Business Times
Svoboda: The Rising Spectre of Neo Nazism in the Ukraine
http://www.ibtimes.com/svoboda-rising-spectre-neo-nazism-ukraine-974110
Channel 4 News London
Ukraine: Far Right Extremists at the Core of “Democracy” Protest
http://www.channel4.com/news/kiev-svoboda-far-right-protests-right-sector-riot-police
Channel 4 News London
Far Right Group at Heart of Ukraine Protests Meet US Senator
http://www.channel4.com/news/ukraine-mccain-far-right-svoboda-anti-semitic-protests
International Business Times
Ukraine: Svoboda Party Building Close Relations With Germany’s Neo Nazi NPD Party
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-svoboda-party-building-close-relations-germanys-neo-nazi-npd-party-1440899
Voltaire (Damascus based news)
Who are the Nazis in the Ukrainian Government?
http://www.voltairenet.org/article182428.html
YouTube
Ukraine Crisis Today: Democracy Caught on Camera - The Rebirth of Fascism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKuDzXAgdf4
Click on Show More below the video for lots of other links of videos from different countries.
Foreign Policy
Yes, There Are Bad Guys in the Ukrainian Government
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/03/18/yes_there_are_bad_guys_in_the_ukrainian_government
Wikipedia
Svoboda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)
Daily Mail UK
Outrage as Ukrainian Politician Attacks Mila Kunis and Labels Her a “Dirty Jewess”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2251446/Ukranian-politician-slams-Mila-Kunis-Anti-Semitic-slur.html
YouTube
Ukrainian Parliament’s Brawl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKcmYeFwTXI
Click on Show More and it gives a pretty good summary of the issues. Ukraine Nazis passed legislation prohibiting free speech and protest against the Nazi regime, rights to kill dissidents, prohibition for churches to pray for protestors and dissidents, several other things.
Channel 5 Charleston SC showing CNN report
Refugees Fleeing into Russia From Ukraine Fighting - 500,000+ refugees
http://www.live5news.com/story/26001355/refugees-fleeing-into-russia-from-ukraine-fighting
RT
Ukraine Urges Russia Not To Accept Orphans Fleeing War Zone
http://rt.com/news/172396-ukraine-orphans-evacuation-russia/
Thanks, I have cut and paste your comments and links to my notepad so I can enjoy this light reading in my bomb shelter. :)
LOL
>> Another example of America not knowing who the players are and what we are getting into. <<
What makes you say that?
You're right. Maybe we do know and we're just stupid but to me it's hard to justify how we promote an overthrow of the Ukraine government just to help put these guys in power. They are the antithesis of what America believes in, aren't they?
Those 'Nazis' are just cannon-fodder, for Chrissake! The coup was fomented by Victoria Nuland, wife of Neocon Robert Kagan, both of whom are Israeli-First Jews. The President, Prime Minister and Governors of the three main regions of this "new Nazi Ukraine" are all Jewish, despite their making up less than 0.2% of the population.
The very fact that so many in the MSM are now weighing in on this Nazi narrative should be proof enough that yet again the story is being orchestrated.
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Both are leaders of the ZOG.
Does the Kremlin ever demand NEW material from you trolls?
Does your hasbara school teacher ever demand you respond with, you know, facts? Is what I wrote there wrong? No it is not wrong, hence your pointless ad hominem attack.
Comrade Burns, Russian state media does not provide facts. It provides propaganda.
http://reason.com/blog/2014/03/03/russias-propaganda-and-censorship-war-in
"...The Daily Beast highlights a few of the false claims by state-run news outlets: video presented as “'skirmishes' on the streets of Crimea” turned out to be footage of government snipers slaughtering opposition protesters the week before; pictures purportedly of Ukrainians defecting en masse to Russia were actually from the Polish-Ukrainian border (and live feeds of the Russian-Ukrainian border seem to confirm this); another video said to be right-wing militants from western Ukraine was completely staged.
It's not just internal propaganda. The government-funded RT produced a cartoonish video pushing Kremlin rhetoric that the hundreds of thousands of diverse, multi-partisan Ukrainian opposition–which protested nonviolently for months until their authoritarian leader approved the use of live ammunition against civilians–are overwhelmingly fascists. “Fascist” is a go-to accusation Russian politicians and media use when silencing both foreigners and but domestic, pro-democracy critics.
The government has also censored pro-Ukrainian social media in Russia, while the military makes conspicuous calls for veterans to band together as “tourist units” and vacation in Crimea.
All of this works, except when it doesn't.
Many Russian citizens and ethnic Russian in Crimea are adamant about developing closer ties between the two and blame the west for destabilizing Ukraine, but according to Radio Free Europe, “independent opinions polls conducted before the crisis show that an overwhelming majority of Russians opposed Russian meddling in Ukrainian politics as well as a possible military intervention in the country.”
Some have become vocal and active opponents of the invasion, since Ukraine has not provoked violence. The independent Moscow Times critiques that Russia was hoping to provoke a “'Georgian scenario' in Crimea. In that conflict, Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 because that country's troops attacked Russian servicemen, providing the perfect casus belli. But no such attacks took place in Crimea.”
Yesterday, nonviolent anti-war protests took place in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Around 350 people were arrested in Moscow, according to The New Republic. Another Ukrainian-sympathetic rally with as many as 1,500 participants similarly shut down last week. Meanwhile, a larger pro-war demonstration went undisturbed.
Even the Consul General of Russia in the Crimea admitted that claims that Russian citizens were killed by Ukrainians–one of the pretexts for the invasion–was unfounded.
Radio Free Europe points out that the “a number of Russian luminaries, including rock musician Yury Shevchuk, have also delivered unusually harsh criticism of the Kremlin," and suggests that " rift in public opinion between educated, city-dwelling Russians and those living in small towns with only limited access online news sites."
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"I'm surprised it took this long with all the killing and torture being done by U.S. backed Ukrain..."
It was at this point that you identified yourself as a Kremlin whore. And I apprecciate that.
Who knows how many computer viruses I'd have picked up if I had follwed those links thinking you might actually have had a point?
Sorry to bust your bubble. Born and raised in the USA, my Dad fought in World War II. And if he knew we were supporting a Neo Nazi regime he would roll over in his grave. No viruses, it's all regular news sites.
Now that is impressive:
The Russian Troll Army is posting crap so fast that you can feel the spittle flying off their sweaty sausage like fingers.
Meanwhile, back on the ranch, Israel Grants First Golan Heights Oil Drilling License To Dick Cheney-Linked Company.
Pure cohencidence I say.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/srael-grants-first-golan-heights-oil-drilling-license-to-dick-cheney-linked-company/5347779
Hey now! Just the other day FourthStooge convinced me that I was part of the Yatze Hunta Nazi regime...now you are telling me I am an Israeli operative working for the Cheney military industrial/oil complex?
Is that a promotion...or not?
Haven't you got a Neocon Old Glory / Star of David circle jerk to go to? Just be sure and use good old American 30 weight to lube up with.
Maybe Russians interpret English different.y than Americans do and humanitarian aid means food and medicine instead of weapons and bombings.
The smart thing Putin did was bring in the Red Cross and make it an un-escorted convoy. That's all the legitimacy he needs, and with Red Cross observers riding on board it will only make the Yukies look barbaric if they stop or hinder the convoys.
Yep, if he pulls this off it will be a very slick propaganda move. I agree with this action but also appreciate the artistry.
Barry plays golf; Putin delivers the goods...
Barry's dog walks him, Vlad cuddles tigers.
Time to Test those S-400, which NATO plane wants to go the shredder first?
ZATO jets down in flames.
The bear noses the bear-trap...
Dumb bear.
its called a honey pot and the bear you speak of is a master chess player, he smells it from miles away.......
Hahaha, Russia sends in an aid convoy of 45,000 troops and a few armored divisions, overflown by Sukhoi Fighters.
"What, Bath House?" "You are protecting the Kiurds. I am protecting Russians. Fuck off, Rent Boy--" Vlad.
It's Putin vs the IMF banksters. Let's see who wins.
Only foolish and suicidal people fight the Russians next to their border....isis fighter extremism aint shit compared to the Russians...ask the SS and the Wehrmacht.
Look at those fascist demonstrations that Putine regime has authorising in Russia.
http://youtu.be/HmXu6G7DTsM
http://youtu.be/dy2co1gjzY4
http://youtu.be/zYUeLMuL4tk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNgcpXS1LJk
They think that Russians are as Nazis - chosen-one nation and can kill anyone to make Russia "pure". They support dictorship that would rule with iron fist.
jezz go troll somewhere else...
viedoklis_lv
speek engish you fuckin cocksukers
anyones wood thinks youse a polish nazi yid
paid by the post? - keep 'em short
paid by the word? - just fall asleep on your keyboard please
According to this news article, Kiev Junta has agreed to Russia providing humanitarian aid under the auspices of the International Red Cross Committee.
I see a US armored fatcart division stranded in the snow by January.
Don't worry. They will keep warm with Gay Activiies.
Obama can put some of boys from the bath house to lead th NATO military forces. Transvestites and all.
Guess the plan is to make the Russians laugh to death.
Isn't it about time for China to put the kettle on?
The US MSM gets its ass handed again. US Zionist refuse to send the embedded dollar hidden in their assholes. Israeli government will claim money came from the holocaust. They’ll lie about the money ever coming from US taxpayer’s.
Thanks Putin, at least our tax dollars are helping people opposed the the KIKE actions in Gaza killing spree.
Russian trolls will understand this, so I am talking about majority here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt70F5WHEGA
Here is more for you Russian trolls - you know what is actualy truth - you won't manage to hide it: http://youtu.be/W5HjKxazplM
viedo, you keep trying to beat me in down votes and I want you to know that I won't let that happen.
Give it up, bee-yatch!
No one beats my record of 35 down votes. NO ONE.
I got this----> 5072565
God fucking dammit!
Well, my down votes are higher quality.
Rrrrr...This is war! The shit I'm going to say will rock your world! Watch!
What kind of troll are you? Latvian? Perhaps Sami?
Perhaps one of the "chosen people"?
We aren’t Russian trolls. Just Americans sick of getting ass raped to fund an Israeli war. As noted, if they want to continue making war, pony up the cost on your own. Stop fucking stealing money from unborn children in the United States of America.
The Whole Story Of Zionist Conspiracy [The Filthy History Of Pedophilia, Murder & Bigotry]
Looks like you're the fucking idiot.
Sad thing here is that you don't see that this is fight between two pimps and we should not cheer for anyof them.
Not your current pimp and not chalanger. You don't want to go hyperinflation and you don't want martial law in America. You want and need normal transition to get back your country from those oligarchs who has stolen from you.
Now what is happening in Russia is a dangerous event, it's real fascism rising there - Putin regime realy has full control over brainwashing people there - all media belongs to regime, and now last bastion - Internet is also taken down. In Russia (and I am suprised... but not any more... that Zerohedge is not covering these stories what is happening in Russia) agency can close ANY WEB SITE without any trial, judge, anything - simply like that. If you talk against regime - you are out. Now there is new rules that blogger with 3000 visitors a day must register and report to agencies and no more anonymos logins using wi-fi. The gate is closing in. Just like Nazis had to have ful control over information to brainwash people - Putin has done it. That is reaosn why that support is so high - just like in Nazi Germany. No opposition is allowed, all are jailed up.
So knowing that - to support Putin regime just because he is challanging other regime - is plain stupid.
Try to think outside your sports analogy.
This is NOT a question of cheering for one "team" or the other.
It is a question of who, in this instance, is the trouble-maker,
who is violently attacking the other,
who is threatening the other,
who is screwing over the Ukrainians and the Russian minority in Ukraine
who is witholding evidence about MH17 ?
(hint: not Russia).
And then condemning those actions and that perpetrator.
Viedoklis,
Svieks!
Your interventions are tiresome. Speaking of trolls is a boring cliche. We all read the so-called "main stream media" and know Russia (and Putin) is the epitome of evil and devoid of any and all redeeming features. We also understand that Western values are splendid beyond words. We were thrilled when Washington and Brussels engineered the violent overthrown of the democratically elected Yanukovich administration -- in the name of Western, democratic values! We are also thrilled at our support for a Ukrainian regime that thinks it's morally acceptable to shell apartment blocks housing Ukrainians.! Let's hear it for Western values.
It clearly sticks in your craw that so many people in the West are not fooled by the hypocrisy, mendacity and evil of their rulers. We are all well aware of Russia's shortcomings and don't need you to point them out. What we find far more galling is the moral failings of our own so-called leaders.
"... we sometimes have to defend Russia because it may be the last best hope of stopping TETATW (The Empire That Ate The World)..."
William Blum, http://williamblum.org/aer/read/131
Congratulations! You've just been nominated for DICKHEAD of the year!
Russian trolls ??????? "talking about the majority" ?????
Where do people such as you come from?
As Mark Twain wrote,"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."
“Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.” Thomas Jefferson (interview with Thomas Paine)
“It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government.” Thomas Paine (1737-1809) American Revolutionary and Author
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919) 26th US President
"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic NOT to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country." – Theodore Roosevelt
“Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right--a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit.” Abraham Lincoln [1848]
“The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.” Henry L. Mencken (1880-1956), Journalist and Author
“A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.” Edward Abbey (1927-1989)
We are reluctant to admit that we owe our liberties to men of a type that today we HATE and FEAR -- unruly men, disturbers of the peace, men who resent and denounce what Whitman called ‘the insolence of elected persons’ – in word, free men…” Gerald W. Johnson (1890-1980), American Journalist and Author
We've seen this movie many times before.
The advantage of sponsoring an insurgency next door is that you have the intiative to turn the heat up, or down, as you much as you wish, and as often as you wish.
Putin can play this song as long and as loud as he wants.
And our masters-of-diplomacy have cut off any leverage. The very word "sanctions" points to the conflict model the US thinks will work is with a Cuba, or a South Africa. And it didn't work for Cuba. And, while he may imagine it, Obama is not a Mandela.
China may be taking its time but clearly Russia is not...
https://www.perpetualassets.com/news/2014/08/11/china-delaying-full-rmb-...
Putin would only be doing this if he was 100% certain he could take out the US if things got ugly. I wonder what he has discovered in the last few days,
NATO, Maybe Putin got the greenlight that Germany will not further support NATO activities and that it plans to swing east. France will follow, NATO will be finished and the American's cannot do jack shit without the EU alliance.
. . . . Germany will not further support NATO activities and that it plans to swing east. France will follow, NATO will be finished . . . .
This very concept has been predicted for some time by Dr. Jim Willie (http://www.goldenjackass.com). He has a great network of "informants" from all areas of international finance and military operations and his predictions in the past, for the most part, have been spot on. I say the chances of this happening are more than good.
One thing Putin could do to neutralize American/Euro bandits is to invite them to send several observers, with each appointing an equal number.
Another possibility, it is past time for Americans to organize a war-crimes trial, even if done privately, according to First-Amendment principles; the same principles employed by American Founders.
I would suggest the same for the people of east Ukraine; but, once petition for redress descends to violence, all is lost: men lose the capacity of rational/effective behavior.
(Follow my other comments: click my name, thanks.)
Exactly. At this hour in Lugansk, Ukraine, two armies are fighting and civilians are dying. But a third entity is on the ground in this Ukrainian city; it is the American people, for in their name the American government is making war on the people of Eastern Ukraine.
The wars from the United States all across the Middle East and now in Eastern Europe are made possible by the American Federal Reserve System, for money printing out of thin air can always be depended upon to provide as much war cash as necessary be it Iraq, Afghanistan or Ukraine, and blank checks to NATO, the IMF, and to other central banks if it will increase the chances of victory.
Americans, before it is too late, must now ask the tough question: Who is the Fed, who is this powerful entity that can make war anywhere and at any volume?
As Lew Rockwell has said: “It comes down to this. If you hate war, oppose the Fed. If you hate violations of your liberties, oppose the Fed. If you want to restrain despotism, restrain the Fed. If you want to secure freedom for yourself and your descendants, abolish the Fed.”
The Fed is an international organization of banker oligarchs; it cares no more for the people of America than it does for the people of Lugansk. As for Lugansk…
On the Brink of Survival: No electricity, water, communications in besieged Lugansk, E. Ukraine | RT
August 11, 2014 -- 250,000 people have been left without water, electricity and communications for over a week in the eastern Ukrainian city of Lugansk. The town is subject to siege conditions and under heavy bombardment.
“We're being bombed so severely, there's hardly anything left to bomb. People are running out of money. How are we supposed to survive in this heat? What if some sort of epidemic breaks out? What should we do?” local woman Nadezhda Essaulinka exclaimed, emotionally.
The local administration says that “pension, salaries, and social benefits haven’t been paid. Some employees haven’t received their salaries for a month - others for over two-and-a-half months.”
Most of the shops in the city are closed, and produce is sold in the streets.
No deliveries of food, medical supplies, or fuel have been reported, according to the Itar-Tass news agency.
Phones are down all over the city and the locations that still have it are sometimes marked with “Shelling zone” signs, RT’s Maria Finoshina said.
A city resident blamed Kiev for what is happening to them.
“We used to have food and water. But now Kiev has completely destroyed our city. There's no water and electricity now, there’s nothing,” Lidia Ostroverkhova told RT.
Locals are stressing that the shelling is continuous, especially over the weekend.
“They're terrorizing us and attacking us daily - and they step up the shelling at the weekend. They've attacked all of our businesses, which were the main hope for our economy,” Olga Kaplya said.
In some areas, residents are forced to use water pumps, as more locations are becoming a banned zone for trucks.
“They used to bring water here, but they stopped once the shelling started. Some say the driver of the water truck was killed,” local resident Andrey Petrenko said.
At least a dozen apartments and private homes are shelled daily in the city, as locals told RT.
It comes as the Ukrainian authorities have called on the residents of eastern Ukrainian residential areas to leave their hometowns if the self-defense forces are there – despite the constant deadly fighting going on in the region.
“We are addressing the locals once again: leave those cities. It’s temporary,” spokesman for the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, Andrey Lysenko said, as quoted by Vesti.ua portal.
According to latest Ukraine figures by the UN, 117,000 are internally displaced, while 730,000 others, according to Russian data, have fled to Russia.
http://rt.com/news/179516-lugansk-electricity-water-catastrophe/
But Lugansk is receiving all the aid it needs
according to:
"Given that Ukraine has allowed international humanitarian groups to deliver aid within its territory, there is no logical reason why Russia should seek to deliver it,"
- U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Samantha Power, told a Security Council meeting on Ukraine on Friday.
Samantha Power ??????
Hardly a reliable source of information - to put it mildly! If she told me it was raining outside, I would need to look through the window before believing her.
Another possibility, it is past time for Americans to organize a war-crimes trial, even if done privately, according to First-Amendment principles; the same principles employed by American Founders.
Thinking somewhat along these lines . . . . is there some way to form a "national grand jury of the people" to bring charges against some of the treasonous bastards in .gov? This would be a jury of "normal" Americans that aren't beholden to Wall Street, the military/industrial/congressional complex, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Israel, etc. With something along these lines, then and only then, the people of the US would have a chance to see justice is actually served and the morons that got us in to all these messes face the music for their crimes. First few to faces charges IMHO would be the "five" of the supreme court who chose to say that corporations have the same standing as people in the USA. Few people know that when the concept of corporations was instituted in the 1800's that one of the precepts of being a corporation was that the entity had to serve the best interests of the people. Obviously this rule got thrown in the scrape heap not long after and the rest, they say, is history.