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Las Vegas Will Go Dry If Water Levels Drop 7% Further - Lake Mead Hits Record Lows
Six weeks ago we highlighted how "screwed" Las Vegas is as the ongoing 14-year drought weighs on water levels. Today, AP reports, Lake Mead - the main source of fresh water for Las Vegas and its 40 million visitors - just hit record low levels at 1080 feet. Most concerning - at 1,000 feet, drinking water intakes will no longer function and Las Vegas will go dry. As analysts concluded previously, "unless it can find a way to get more water from somewhere, Las Vegas is out of business. Yet they’re still building, which is stupid."
Once-teeming Lake Mead marinas are idle as a 14-year drought steadily drops water levels to historic lows. Officials from nearby Las Vegas are pushing conservation, but are also drilling a new pipeline to keep drawing water from the lake.
Hundreds of miles away, farmers who receive water from the lake behind Hoover Dam are preparing for the worst.
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The lake has dropped to 1,080 feet above sea level this year - down almost the width of a football field from a high of 1,225 feet in 1983.
A projected level of 1,075 feet in January 2016 would trigger cuts in water deliveries to Arizona and Nevada.
At 1,000 feet, drinking water intakes would go dry to Las Vegas, a city of 2 million residents and a destination for 40 million tourists per year that is almost completely dependent on the reservoir.
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Bagnall, who owns Morningstar Farms in Coolidge, Arizona, worries about the future of farming in the region. Tighter supplies mean there will be less farming and fewer dollars going to agricultural services like fertilizer suppliers.
"Eventually," he said, "the prices are going to hit the consumer. Sooner or later, it's got to go up. So it's just a domino effect."
One proposal is for landlocked Nevada to pay billions of dollars to build solar-powered desalination plants in the Pacific off Mexico, taking Mexico’s share of Colorado River water in exchange.
But Mr Mrowka said: “The Colorado is essentially a dying river. Ultimately, Las Vegas and our civilisation in the American South West is going to disappear, like the Indians did before us.”
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The bottom line - get there now, watch the fountains, drink the water, swim in the lake... (and sell your house)
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People who blame Jews for this and that are typically people who are carrying resentment and/or having trouble with some aspect of their own lives. Stop whining, Hugh, and go produce or create something to make your life better.
Non sequitur pal.
That must be in the hasbara playbook. If someone connects the dots, call him an irrational jew hater that isn't happy with his life. LOL.
Does that same speech work for people in Gaza? I didn't ask Mossad to blow up the WTC to justify illegal wars for the benefit of Israel and legislation that stole essential liberties this Country was founded on.
Since researching and debating this topic for the last six years I am very familiar with all the logical fallacies. Try again.
when it gets that dry you'll have to prime your pecker to piss.
No worries, when they finally put out the western wildfires, the tanker planes can be rerouted to dump loads of water over vegas. Problem solved.
The mirrage known as Las Vegas is about to dry up? Cry me a Colorado River.
Just like the banksters of the world, I won't be sad about Sin City drying up.
Let Them Eat Cake!!!
Just print water tickets.
In my best Nelson Muntz voice: "Ha-ha!"
Deffinitely lower in '35
And Las Vegas had 20K residents in that year all of them people there to build the dam. Before that, about 5K.
So there's the baseline numbers. Who wants to take the "over" bet on the population of Las Vegas being back to 10K people by 2050? Nobody?
Vegas depends on imported water, huge amounts of cheap electricity to run AC (needing water running through turbines) to exist. The whole economy is based on people TRAVELING to the desert WILLING TO LOSE MONEY. The whales are staying in London and Macao - while the US is hell bent on eliminating any 'disposable income' left.
Yeah... that's a viable economic model.
Drink Vodka and bathe in Purell...that's what you should do in Vegas anyway.
Sounds bullish for Revel @ Atlantic City. Who wants to invest with me ?
get chapter 11 protection, again ... then get scumbag casino workers "union" off our back, and we can turn it bro!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnQGs24U1e8
Any other good news?
There are a couple of crack heads here who will try and tell you it is all gloval cooling.
How is that Cali dead grass, no curb appeal real estate selling? Are sellers nervous? All ten trillion of it? Who holds the note? Why, you do!
Nope, sellin like hot-cakes. Still building housing developments and stripmalls too. Hasn't been a recession here in (oh) about 3 years.
Water, we don't need no stinkin' water.
Brown inside and out.
Re: Brown.
Jerry? Naaa, just lucky to be there. Cali is booming because of dot-com 2.0 (or is it 3.0), stock market, and Chinese money.
"Las Vegas Will Go Dry"
There, fixed it.
That's just how Randall Flagg likes it
And this is a problem why exactly? It was a chance LV took, so they can deal with it.
long as the vegas twats don't dry up, Mr. Flagg don't give a shit
This is now as low as the dam has been since its construction. Time to build walls on the CA border as well as FL.
A 7% decline as stated in the article title is extremely inaccurate. The 1,080 feet stated is elevation above sea level, not the depth of the lake. Also as the water level declines, naturally the lake tapers inward and downward, so there is less volume of water at the bottom 1ft versus the top 1ft. So it may be more or less than 7%.
Here's the raw data: http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/hourly/mead-elv.html
Looks like it declined 2 ft month over month, with larger declines of 6-7 ft monthly earlier in the year.
Kudos for catching that.
Did the math a while back. The flow of the Mississippi could fill the Lake Meade reservoir full up in eleven hours. The Amazon could do the same thing in 45 minutes. The real problem is that the Colorado is such an insignificant stream.
That is not a 14 year drought. That is 14+ years of overconsumption.
That goddamn city shouldn't even exist in the first place. What a waste of ressources.
same could be said about washington DC and the swamp.
Same thing could be said about your computer
Too bad Evel Knievel, the jump over the fountain will be much shorter soon.
Why does California always seem to have a drought when Jerry Brown is governor?
I guess that is why they call him "Brown".
Build huge desalination plants along the coast. Plenty of salt water in the ocean.
You mean on the coast of Nevada..right?
Building in Vegas is stupid... but its the buying of those buildings that make one wonder about the future of the human race.
I love dirty whores
First Atlantic City and now Las Vegas.....what's a guy gonna do?
The only casino left is bankters' Wall St.!!! Did you get that Holder???
Just saw a tweet from Cramer: "Las Vegas real estate is fine. Keep buying."
Harry Reid sez it's Cliven Bundy's fault.
Brillliant idea to build such a main city/area in the desert and make it require so much water.
Of course that decision will be ignored and instead the morons will blame "global warming" for this as no droughts have ever occured in the planet's history (and especially in deserts) until about 110 years ago.
I swear that some of those crazy humans actually think the planet just came to be within the last few hundred years rather than the BILLIONS it has been around and they simply can't grasp droughts and weird weather periods happen. But hey, man-made global warming. That's it! Talk about ego to think humans have that much control on nature.
In 200 years, we've burned about half of the conventional fossil fuel deposits that were formed between about 80 million and 200 million years ago.
It's not egotism to expect that this massive transfer of carbon from the ground to the atmosphere would have an impact on the biosphere. It's science.
Fossil fuels are a once-in-a-species opportunity and we've burned a good portion of them in the 200 years since we developed steam power. Do you really think that the same coal and oil combustion that have brought us from 1 billion people to 7 billion, and that have made possible all of the technological wonders of modern life will have no impact on the biosphere?
But where will the government employees hold their conventions?
Corporate groups and other private organizations don't hold conventions in Las Vegas?
It's a bit more complex than who can insert a straw into Lake Mead and drink it all up.
BLM has a better version, but this is simpler to read;
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River_Compact
I selflessly volunteer to piss in the lake as a humble act of environmental charity.
Not to worry Harry Reid is on the case and he will take care of it......provided his son can get a few $$ out of the fix.
Fuck Vegas. Let it dry up. Throw in a flaming meteor storm as the grand finale and call it done. I am also hoping against hope that Justin Bieber will be doing a show there in the final days and look back as he is scurrying off and turn into a pillar of (bath)sallt.
As for the denizene of Vegas, move to where there is water! Lots of room in Detroit. Maybe they can start urbam renewal of Big D as a new gambling/whoring/drugging mecca.
You are horribly deluded. Las Vegas will be a more glorious version of itself in 10 years. You wait and see....
Ala Steven King? Excellent book The Stand and what with ebola (tubeneck) on the horizon possibly prophetic. Spoiler alert... LV gets nuked by the trash can guy.
LOL Great reference, 83. I forgot about that uplifting story. Thanks so much for reminding me.
Come on you guys, Did you really think they would build a giant internment camp any other way?
Put on your creative tin foil caps and realize, heah.... why bother building secret prisons under airports. Just over build Las Vegas and eventually you end up with a very nice place to house the City of Un-American activities re-education center.
What do they mean its stupid? Developers build using contracts signed months (probably years) ago. When the water goes dry, they will pull water from below the present straw level, using big pumps and piping supplied by the experts (Ukraine or Trans Canada).
What's the problem?
So the reservoir capacity is 8% below the average, just drill the pipeline at the deepest part of the reservoir. Wake me up when it's 20% or so below the average.
So the reservoir capacity is 8% below the average, just drill the pipeline at the deepest part of the reservoir. Wake me up when it's 20% or so below the average.
Think like Tatooine in Star Wars - Atmospheric Condensors.
Here is the real deal, they would need a lot of them though, maybe it can be scaled up and put a casino in it too!
http://www.offgridworld.com/crazy-looking-bamboo-tower-creates-25-gallon...
I love this site http://www.offgridworld.com - lots of cool cutting edge DIY
Here's an idea for electricity generation that caught my eye.
http://www.offgridworld.com/funny-looking-tower-generates-600-more-elect...
nice, thanks for the links...
But global warming is fake! Let's all just keep watering our McMansion's lawn because this is obviously just a one time thing and I'm sure this scenario won't repeat itself over and over in the following years RIGHT?
But the National Resource Defence Council assured us all that global warming would cause devastating floods and heavy rains due to increased evaporation with temperature:
http://www.nrdc.org/health/climate/floods.asp
"Scientists project that climate change will increase the frequency of heavy rainstorms, putting many communities at risk for devastation from floods..."
Surely you are not saying the the NRDC is all wet!
It will increase the frequency of heavy rainstorms, but not the overall amount of rain that falls, which will decrease. Rainfall is already starting to get heavier when it does rain (infrequently). Last year in Colorado where I live there was drought just like in California/Nevada this year, and when it rained it poured eight inches and destroyed a lot of people's homes in the Rockies and in Boulder, not to mention a lot of rural areas. I completely expect it to get worse over time at this point.
Evil,
Just one level up on the NRDC's directory, you have this:
http://www.nrdc.org/health/climate/
Where the NRDC lists SIX (not one...) ways that climate change threatens health:
Air Pollution
Extreme Heat
Infectious Disease
Droughts
Flooding
Extreme Weather
You post is a great example of how climate deniers sometimes try to lawyer their argument by leaving facts out and presenting half-truths, instead of engaging in a deeper look at the big picture. Do your homework.
If LV land values go to zero there'll be a few banks going to zero as well.
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Considering the Lake Mead water level graph, and in 1956, it was down where it is now, and one year later, had rebounded hundreds of feet?
How did that happen? Weather? Rationing? Acquifer increase?
Might want to look into that one.
•J•
V-V
Same thing happened all over the South a few years ago. Just when you think......
OK, A little fact.
Nevada gets 3% of the Colorado River water. Most of the water goes to Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Arizona (think Phoenix) and California.
Lake Powell, which is at 50% full or more, was built as a temoprary holding lake for lake Mead, but it water is not being released to replenish Lake Mead.
The Las Vegas valley is the most water efficient area in the nation. 85% of the water the Las Vegas Valley draws from Lake Mead is processed and returned. Because of return-flow credits, the Las Vegas valley actually gets 185% of the water available under the Colorado River Agreement.
Las Vegas is not the problem, it is the area being punished. The real criminals in this situation are California and Arizona which get much more water than Las Vegas, and which waste much of it.
ok, here's some more facts:
Total agricultural land
CA - 43,000,000 million
NV - 5,913, 761 million
Average precipitation
CA - 15" in Silicon Valley 20" in SF, 34" in Redding,
NV - 9.5"
CA is number one for agricultural products / receipts
NV is number 45
i would venture to say Las Vegas is indeed the problem. The only thing it grows is nickel whores and gambling degenerates while siphoning off water that could be better used to feed instead of fleecing people
Your facts don't repudiate his argument. California has more land and gets more precipitation. Super. It doesn't refute his statement that the water DOESN'T COME TO LAS VEGAS or even Nevada. It gets diverted to most surrounding states.
Your only argument is "Whores are bad hurr hurr hurr!!". Thanks for the update, Tex!
where the fuck does lake mead get's it water from? i guess the water fairy magically fills it up right? Super.
Lake Mead receives the majority of its water fron snow melt in CO, WY and UT.
Lake Mead is about 25 miles from the strip. So water doesn't have to get diverted
Lake Mead is tapped by 2 outlets with another being built below the first two
Las Vegas is the nation's driest city
Las Vegas uses more water per capita than most of America - 219 gallons of water per person per day
As an idiot would say, Super.
Per capita daily water use:
San Francisco: 49 gal
Las Vegas: 240 gal (after monumental recycling efforts)
This from a google search.
Las Vegas is blown. They are done for.
What cho talkin bout Willis?
Las Vegas is run by Hairy Reid and his Mormom pals and the dual citizen types. He runs the Senate and has not turned in a budget for 6+ years like the scum Democrat he is.
Overpopulation in the United States will become THE single greatest issue facing Americans in the 21st century. We either solve it proactively or nature will solve it brutally for us via water shortages, energy crisis, air pollution, gridlock, species extinction and worse.
U.S. population will double from 300 million to 600 million on its way to 1 billion in the lifetime of a child born today if we fail to change course.
Frosty Wooldridge 2000
Horseshit. The single greatest problem is that we are living wrongly. More solar, more wind, more local gardens ( victory gardens) better planning. Less waste, stop growing with pesticides and fertilizers and let population re stabilize on greener living.
We need a revolution in the way we live, not less population.
So how can the millions of people living in city apartments and townhouses generate their own electricity or eat from a container garden with half a dozen organic tomatoes in it?
millions, billions
"So how can the millions of people living in city apartments and townhouses generate their own electricity or eat from a container garden with half a dozen organic tomatoes in it?"
Ive seen greenhouses built on top of grocery stores. Also, people taste for over seas fruits and veggies can be supplemented by growing some here. Reduce corn subsidies for farmers and give them more of an incentive to grow other crops like pears, peaches, apples, kale and the like. Start educating future farmers about the benifits of permaculture and we NEED to legalize hemp production to help repair the soil after 60 years of heavy industrial farming.
It wont happen since most Americans think their food comes from fairy princesses in heaven, but its a solution, or at least a good start.
slept through your math classes, right?
Currently that "problem" could be solved by recalling a few divisions from overseas and putting them on the southern border. Without illegal immigration, USA population growth would be almost nil..
Maybe they could invent a way to get water from the lake level up to the water intakes? Maybe some sort of "pump" and "pipe" or "tubing"...
I read that Kerry "fudge" Packer's son just spent a lot of money on some land located on the Strip....that guy is kind of like the Gartman of the casino industry.
What is everyone worried about? I have it on good authority (Zerohedge) that we will all be dead of Ebola within a few months. There will be plenty of water then.
YOU LIVE IN A DESERT!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0q4o58pKwA
I hope all the strippers move to Texas
A lot of Californians are: most leaving CA head to TX. AND, most leaving NV move to CA (springboard to TX?).
http://vizynary.com/2013/11/18/restless-america-state-to-state-migration...
Mega Cities in the desert. Always made sense to me.
Worked great for the 8th century BC Egyptians.
Ooh, and don't forget that there should be plenty of golf courses!
I don't think Las Vegas, or any other, is going to knock Palm Islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands) from the top of the unsustainable list.
I retired and moved to Henderson, Nv, a bit more than 2 years ago. I live about 15 minutes from Lake Mead and I've gone fishing there a few times. I do not go to Las Vegas unless my kids visit and want to see the sights.
I love it out here. I don't drink the water. Like most folks out here I buy gallons of water from the supermarket each time I go shopping. And I use that water (usually distilled) for making coffee etc. And again, like most locals, I conserve on water as much as possible. We probably all smell slightly "off" from not taking showers as often as we should, but no one complains.
I keep about 30 gallons of drinking water in the house. And as long as the supermarkets continue to stock drinking water I expect I'll be okay. But I am concerned. I just love driving around and looking at the mountains and the big open skies. As long as I can continue gazing at the scenery I'm staying put. Nothing lasts forever, including me. I'm enjoying life while I can.
But I do think it's crazy to keep building out here. And not only are they building, but the price of homes continues to rise. But despite the seemingly sensible advice given by the author of this article, I ain't selling. Not for the world.
Distilled water is very toxic. Seriously, look it up. DO NOT drink it, buy spring water, and you'll enjoy the scenery much longer.
especially when they filter it through mash.
OOOOOOOoooookay.
http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/distilled-water/
You are doing it wrong. Stills produce very clean sources of drinking water...hic!
"Distilled water is very toxic."
Reference?
NO WATER IS PURE/CLEAN.
I don't know about the supposed issues with distilled water, but I know a little about water and water treatment/filtration (first-hand).
I've had spring water as my full-house supply. It was great (once I added filtration and treatment [UV]) because it was from a good source (starting point). BUT... ALL water is subject to various contaminations, and spring water is no different.
Before I opted to rehab a well (which, with filtration and treatment [H2O2]) is very, very close in quality to the spring feed I had) I'd researched rainwater collection (met with someone who has lab-certified potable water from rainwater collection) and was bordering on this route. The initial tests on the well water indicated only nuisance issues, in which case I opted to side with VOLUME, went with the well. I can drink out of ANY spigot/tap that I have (except one that's for watering the garden- it's untreated).
With as much water as is available to me my household consumption, and for my layers, is 92 gals/day (yearly average; carbon filter backwash consumes, on average, nearly 10% of that amount).
A dry town means no alcohol?
For decades, there have been plans drawn up about how to divert water from British Columbia down to California. Of course, Canadians never agreed to that actually being done, yet ... (One of the reasons that, despite being Canadian, I pay more attention to American politics is that not only do we follow after, we may well be forced to follow after, the runaway social insanity systems pioneered by the Americans.)
http://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/10/20/last-tree-cut/
"Canada, the most affluent of countries, operates on a depletion economy which leaves destruction in its wake. Your people are driven by a terrible sense of deficiency. When the last tree is cut, the last fish is caught, and the last river is polluted; when to breathe the air is sickening, you will realize, too late, that wealth is not in bank accounts and that you can’t eat money."
Las Vegas running out of water would be a terrible case of poetic justice symbolizing everything else that Neolithic Civilization did, after that was transplanted onto North America, and then allowed to be overrun by immigrants from everywhere.
The USA, Canada, and almost the whole world, are controlled by monetary systems based on enforced frauds, which make "money" out of nothing as debts. That fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting system dominates the world, but does so in ways which deliberately ignore the limits of the natural environment. The human world is controlled by systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, which were based on the best organized gangs of criminals getting into vicious feedback loops by being able to dominate the funding of the political processes, in ways whereby their profits from frauds could then be reinvested to legalized even more frauds.
EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE IN NORTH AMERICA (AS WELL AS ALL AROUND THE WORLD) WAS BASED ON SOCIAL SUCCESSES THROUGH BACKING UP LIES WITH VIOLENCE, WHICH WERE ALWAYS ABLE TO ACT WITH EVIL DELIBERATE IGNORANCE TOWARDS ANY RATIONAL EVIDENCE OR LOGICAL ARGUMENTS WHICH THE PEOPLE WHO BENEFITED FROM THAT DID NOT LIKE.
Las Vegas is a simple symbol of a criminally insane society desperately continuing to deliberately ignore all rational evidence and logical arguments that its ruling classes, and enough of the people that they rule over, did not like. Civilizations controlled by enforced frauds are deliberately psychotic. Making "money" out of nothing as debts was used to pay for strip-mining the planet, in ways which were able to deliberately ignore the longer term consequences from doing that. There is barely anywhere in the USA, or all around the world, which has not been racking up more and more of those kinds of accumulating consequences.
IF, or when, the water problems get as bad in the Western USA as many people reasonably predict that they could get, then I would expect one of the conflicts which could develop then are that the USA would put whatever pressure it took upon Canada and British Columbia to divert their "surplus" water to the USA. However, in the overall larger context, I believe that the accumulating consequences of every other kind of crazy collapse into chaos, due to all the different ways that the established systems maximized short-term benefits, while simultaneously also maximizing their longer term costs, will all become due, within the foreseeable future, in ways which make large scale engineering projects no longer possible to accomplish.
By the time that enough people stop operating through attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards the consequences of what they were doing, it will probably then be way too late. Every time that an economic decision was ever made inside of social systems based on the enforced frauds of making "money" out of nothing to "pay" for that, the longer term consequences were always driven to be more disastrous. However, nobody pointing that out previously ever was able to have an effect upon that runaway social insanity, of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, and there are no good reasons to believe that rational evidence and logical arguments are going to miraculously start making any difference to anything, sooner, rather than much later ...
The true "prices" in the triumph of fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems are the prices that will emerge only after those frauds finally collapse into chaos. In my opinion, those costs have accumulated to become so extremely LARGE that we can no longer imagine them. IF the reasonable predictions for continued drought to become the new normal, rather than exceptional, then the costs to places like Las Vegas will necessarily become one of the most extreme example of collapse into chaos, surrounded by everything everywhere else simultaneously collapsing into chaos.
IF the predictions of longer term worse droughts turn out to not be correct, the only result will be temporary postponement of a society controlled by enforced frauds facing the truth about itself. It is central to a civilization controlled by integrated systems of legalized lies backed by legalized violence that it is as thickly armour-plated against facing more radical truths about that as it could possibly become.
IF, IF, IF our society was not almost totally dominated by the people who were the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, then there MIGHT be some systems of creative alternative solutions to our real problems. However, Las Vegas is a classic example of the ways that most people want to continue living in the fragmented fantasy worlds that they were accustomed to living within, wherein the basic laws of nature are banished. Indeed, our civilization has developed in such a way, to such a degree, that the only actual connections in that civilization between most human beings and the laws of nature were the ability to back up lies with violence.
That frame of reference was completely taken for granted, for generation after generation, that were born, lived, and died, inside of social systems based on the enforced frauds of making "money" out of nothing, in order to "pay" for things like the Hoover Dam, that made Las Vegas possible. Of course, since the fundamentals that made Las Vegas were always enforced frauds, everything that Las Vegas represented was layer after layer of fantasies built on top of frauds, all dominated by level after level of organized crime, up to the level of the biggest gangsters, the banksters.
At this late date, it appears to impossible to imagine how people that have been living inside and taking for granted systems of criminally insane enforced frauds, which overtly ignored the laws of nature (except that they were covertly consistent with the laws of nature serving the ability of some to back up lies with violence), could ever awaken from their delusional dreams, that are becoming nightmare situations, which nightmares have only just begun to turn sour ...
It won't be easy to change behavior but it will be the only viable solution. Plus they'll have to pry that ice-cube out of my cold dead hands.
"pry that ice-cube out of my cold dead hands"
Hah! LOL
Our downfall is that we understand this: we ARE Sisyphus: we can only continue to roll the rock, exhaust resources, (and as such) engage in wars/violence.
las vegas is the epitomy of stupid glorification of violence and glutteny. there is nothing classy about it, it wallows in the mire claiming the insecurity of the visitors that need to feel good about themselves and their consumption, their need for more and their need for attention.
p.s. - god bless robin williams. it amazes me how much mental energy people can invest in some other person, and it really wasn't another person. it was 'acting'. it's fake. it's t.v. it doesn't exist. you all wasted your time adoring some egotistical jerkoff playing 'make believe' like a petulant six year old brat demanding your full attention.
you know why he was depressed? because no amount of attention could make the brat realize, behind the veil of maya is the truth. and the truth is simple. live, love, die. that's it. nothing more to see here. just that's all it is. and it is not so bad, it's what it is.
i'm hoping 'asphxiation' means the jerk hung himself.
and i'm hoping some jerk doesn't complain here and i see this was deleted tomorrow. much rather see somebody tell me how much they 'identified' with mork...... and what a mean man i am and how important mork was to everybodies lives.
and then i will learn, and learn hope and change, and learn to believe in obama and such like too.
having a bad day are ya, lol
So suffering from mental illness means being a jerk? Umm no.
I guess you never saw him do stand-up. No worries. You wouldn't get it anyway.
So, Williams was a jerk?
Apparently you're not familiar with depression (and the chronic forms of it).
No, I'm not a supporter of film/TV etc, but jumping up and down on someone's grave (when not even in it yet!)...
I don't feel the need to denigrate others in order to feel better about myself or to demonstrate how much of a "man" I am.
Although I don't think that entertainers (at these levels) are worth the money they get (I suppose the "market" should be left to address this), I find a small sense of thankfulness in some of their contributions.
When 'poetry' is about truth and balance and beauty and enlightenment, POETIC JUSTICE are the words for Vegas. What a fucking fools' parade.
Nearly EVERY civilization overshoots. Those that don't end up being ground up under the wheels of those that do.
Overshoot/over-consume (exhaust) resource, engage in wars, it's what humans, rather, ALL life forms do.
True dat. Trying to survive once resources get skinny is gonna be a character-building experience for a lucky and able few and a character-annihilating experience for the rest.
Yes, Seer, that is the essence of these runaway tragedies:
"Those that don't end up being ground up under the wheels of those that do."
In the longer term, it appears that nature does evolve ecologies which develop ways to balance out the relative rates of robberies. However, in the shorter term, every possible path of maximizing short-term advantages are pursued, despite how bad that becomes in the longer term. The extreme paradoxes with human beings currently are that their intelligence developed by internalizing natural selections, but that has been done during the last several thousand years of civilization through military and monetary systems whose successes were based on deceits and frauds.
Right now, it looks problematic that enough civilization is going to survive through its own runaway evil deliberate ignorances to be able to benefit from "learning." It is such a euphemistically view to say that life is a "learning experience." As HughK wrote: "Trying to survive once resources get skinny is gonna be a character-building experience for a lucky and able few and a character-annihilating experience for the rest."
Natural selection "teaches" human beings by killing off those who did not learn, while allowing those who did to survive for a while longer, to maybe continue to "learn." Artificial selection processes are the results of human beings gradually developing a culture which is based on learning those lessons. However, at the present time, the main thing that most people have learned is that enforced frauds WORKED enough, for some, so that they could steamroller over everyone else. The basic manifestation of energy laws through human beings are the same as throughout natural ecologies, just operating faster than ever through cultural evolution, instead of biological evolution.
Somehow, the vast majority of human beings are still able to deliberately ignore that, because their mental operating systems are still primarily old-fashioned religions and ideologies which developed as the epitome of useful tunnel visions, or successful forms of evil deliberate ignorance. All of the traditional cultures all over the world that had previously developed to be able to continue to operate in relative balance between their level of technology and their local natural environment have been steamrollered by the runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut that came out of the Middle East, swept across Europe, and then conquered the rest of the world, usually with a Bible in one hand and gun in the other. (The other dominant forms of culture emanating from the Middle East are similarly runaway psychotic cultures of rationalized lies operate robberies.)
Since the social pyramid systems were successful for those who operated those systems of lies backed by violence, the positive feedbacks from doing that made them even more able to do that more and more. We are now staring as the slow motion train wreck of the final failure from too much success at controlling civilization with systems of enforced frauds, whose short-term successes were based on attitude of evil deliberate ignorance towards the longer term consequences of their behaviors.
However, THAT CONTINUES NOW: those who do not maximize their own capacities for short-term power delivery "end up being ground up under the wheels of those that do." Hence the pattern of the industrial revolution has been the development of physical steam engines financed with social debt engines. The Hoover Dam, that made Las Vegas possible, was an example of that process. Multiply that by billions of times, and one has the pattern of what the whole world has ended up doing through the development of the industrial revolution, being directed on the basis of enforced frauds!
The "market corrections" coming to that process, in an evolutionary sense, go off the scale of anything which has previously been experienced in human history! The runaway steamroller juggernaut that Neolithic Civilization became, after the industrial revolutions, could not be stopped by anything within the human systems, because nothing within the human systems could stop the best organized gangs of criminals from controlling that civilization. The only things which can stop that are factors beyond human control ... after which, MAYBE, human cultures will "learn" from that ???
Send all the suckers....I mean vacationers to Atlantic City. They got plenty of water and can use the business.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/13/nyregion/revel-atlantic-citys-newest-a...
This is a oh so pleasant effect to the California EPA-equivalent destroying a large chunk of Californa dams, draining their lakes. Lake Mead is draining not because of the Las Vegas Valley residents, but because the water is being diverted to California to satiate their ridiculous demand and waning supply. Something along the lines of 4% of the water that comes into Nevada is actually kept by Nevadians, with 1-2% going to Vegas.
The rest goes to California, primarily due to mismanagement. Don't act like that's a surprise.
Lettuce hope California falls into the ocean.
:)
Good one, Roberto. Lettuce, broccoli, tomotoes, lots of other veggies, plus Apple, Google and just a few other major tech companies. All products of the Left Coast.
Yeah, NV should have more water so that they can keep it from being pissed away on food and shit!
Nothing about our "civilization" can remotely be seen as sustainable (and given that perpetual growth on a finite planet isn't possible, ANY growth is going to equate to "unsustainable").
I feel sad for the homeless Las Vegas showgirls. I will galdly take in 5 or so of the homeless showgirls to help them get back off their feet.
Do you think that you can afford their makeup? (I'll take my wife over the lot of them, as she's a natural beauty and requires no makeup.)
A true humanitarian. Soooooooo, party at your place?
The USGS claims that each person uses about 80-100 gallons of water per day. Assuming each of the 20 million illegal aliens that have invaded across the Mexican border and colonized the states used 82.19 gallons a day for 10 years, it would be fair for Nevada to keep 6 trillion gallons of water for paybacks, then reduce the flow of water into the Colorado river by 600 billion gallons per year thereafter (increased "for the children" imported by the Kenyan Usurper). This would allow Las Vegas to "kick the can" a few more years.
Of course, it would only be fair for Nevada to offer to increase Mexico's water ration by 30,000 gallons per year for each of the 20 million wetbacks Mexico takes back.
(Fortunately, since the Rio Grande still has water, 'murkins can still call them "wetbacks.")
80-100 gallons??? Per Day???
For what??
This is highly questionable.
Let it dry up and blow away...
-which reminds me of something the PM of Israel once, purportedly, anyway, said...
Look, just redirect the Mississippi to the Colorado through the biggest big Berkey we have and Voila !!! Lake Mead filled to the Brim with crystal clear water !!!
How many pumps and pipelines to move water over the Divide? Better call the Army Corps. of "Engineers" It will take them 15 years to FUBAR the project.
Those fucks have a series of tunnels that move water back and forth under the Divide in CO
Janet Yellen and Barack Obama are on the case. They will print up QE V which produces rain in California.
The only concern more serious than global warming is global stupidity. Building a city in the desert = most smartest idea ever.
That idea of man-made islands around Dubai is pretty intelligent too.
Gotta agree that both Vegas and the Dubai islands are stupid.
OTOH: The 20th century was likely the warmest in the past millenia, or close, and also the wettest for the southwest area of USA. That warmth and wetness are now returning to more "normal" conditions. Death Valley recently set an all time record low high temp.
Beyond that, with all the major solar and ocean cycles either past peak or declining, and insolation levels approaching a minima, few now alive have any need to worry about globull warming.
Rhodin, when the glaciers stop receding, when both sea surface temperature and tropical storm intensity start to fall, when the oceans start getting less acidic, when atmospheric CO2 and methane levels fall, then you can start to claim that anthropogenic global warming is dead.
Until then, I'd do some more homework.
Eventually it all leads to the next glacial period, in which case those that laugh at the notion of global warming are, apparently, wanting to skip a step and jump right to that.
The glacial and inter-glacial periods of the Quaternary (the geologic period we're in now) are driven primarily by Milankovitch cycles, i.e. changes in the Earth's position with respect to the sun.
We have interrupted the very very subtle and slow climate forcings of the Milankovitch Cycles with the very fast and powerful forcings unleashed by global industrial civlilization:
-CO2 emissions from fossil fuel burning
-Methane emissions from domesticated livestock and human-created biomass (e.g. garbage dumps)
-Nitrous Oxide from agriculture
-Deforestation
Just looking at CO2 emissions, we have transferred about half of the carbon found in the Earth's conventional fossil fuel reserves from ground to the air in about 200 years. It took between 200 million and 90 million years to make those reserves, and now half of that carbon has been moved into the air in a couple of centuries.
Our anthropogenic climate forcings are several of orders of magnitude greater than the Milankovitch Cycle forcings that have governed the Earth's relatively slow and regular shifts from glacial to interglacial. Now we're moving towards the first hot global climate that has existed for at least a couple of million years, if not more.
The achilles heel of our intelligence is that we are able to act in a very deliberate and efficient way. Since the discovery of steam power, part of that action has been extract, burn, repeat. Most of us here are versed enough in precious metal mining to know what industrial extraction looks like. The same has been true for coal and oil...now we're moving into the equivalent of open pit mining for oil in the form of the Canadian tar sand operations. Instead of denying that industrial civilization is having a major impact on climate, it would be to the benefit of everyone from individual people and investment funds, to corporations and local, regional and national governmental bodies to consider how to best respond to the reality of anthropogenic global warming.
Denial is another option, of course, and the best cure for that is to go to the Alps Himalayas or Andes, and look at the speed at which glaciers are shrinking...hopefully denial will shrink at an even faster rate.
Just as there will be a tipping point of no return for the debasement of the petro-dollar, so too will there come a day when tipping points are crosseed in terms of the amplifying climate feedbacks, such as ice melt, co2 saturation in oceans, and relase of methane in the arctic tunda and then we will have to live with those consequences, which are just a tiny bit larger than the consequences of Fed money printing or growth of government social programs.
Correlation is not Causation.
You have listed items that indicate the planet *may* be warming, 17+ years of no temperature increase putting a crimp in that theory and it IS theory, and no where did you show that humans are causing any of it.
Try again.
"(and sell your house)"
Are there any ways to directly profit from Vegas going bust?
Short casinos.
Actually, as a general rule: short anything associated with "disposable income."
Who’s going to flip the city/state pension obligations once the dust consumes what was?
Non-union and non-pension folk I bet.
Short the NV bond funds?
der japs da drowning in debt, and der sho grls drouning in da sand.
der sand wedge(ZERO) at mertas vinurd?
Moved out of there 9 years ago and visited last weekend. Vegas is fucked in many ways. It will be the first new american ghost town. We can relocate the St Louis protestors there.
Nice! Already talking about relocation camps for people protesting police brutality. Who needs government moles when we already have grassroots fascists?
Care factor - zzzzzzzzzzz.
You build a city in the middle of a fucking desert and then start complaining when the water runs out.
The crooks and clowns who run the joint deserve everything coming their way - as do the morons who frequent the place and delude themselves they're going to make their fortune 'betting against the house'. LOL.
Don't mistake this as an outlier. This is the edge of the WHOLE, the whole of "growth." As growth ceases and takes out the System we will see everything pull in from the edges, and where it stops we have no idea...
I'm going to move to the North Slope of Alaska and complain about the cold and lack of trees.
They will expect the rest of us to pay for their shortsightedness.
After the mid-terms it will be a crony "national emergency" saying that they could not see this coming and they need a "bail out"...
Puke.
http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/weather/thunderstorm-triggers-del...
Lotsa water here in Buffalo. Ah...those Great Lakes. Asian Carp coming our way, algae blooms and those water hogs in Toledo siphoning off to supply the craft breweries a good reason to switch from Genesee Cream Ale.
Tell all the illegals to pretend it's the Rio Grande and go for a swim. That ought to raise the water level enough.
I Love Vermont
I'd love to visit there and New Hampshire sometime. I hear a lot of hippies from the 60's generation and teenage - thirty something pot smokers live up there.
Then again, I'd really like to see more of Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, and SoCal & NorCal before water runs out, the real estate market collapes, and the low info-voters/illegal aliens/progressive liberals get the bright idea of moving east and oversaturating decent midwest & eastern states and bring their completely failed ideologies and subsequently ruin those places.
Do mean the same progressive liberals that have been advocating acknowledging and responding to climate change for over 20 years now? There may be plenty of aspects of their ideology with shortcomings, but surely a willingness to acknowledge the scientific community's assessment of global warming is a strong point in the liberal outlook.
You can pretend that Western droughts, more powerful tropical storms, more extreme and irregular weather, increasingly acidic oceans and melting glaciers and ice sheets have nothing to do with anything, or you can do your homework and start to learn about climate change, its consequences, and possible micro and macro responses.
Lol.. Hugh.. a drought in the desert... must be global warming.. quick! stop burning all fossil fuels, turn off all the power, and hope those expanding ice sheets don´t melt in between polar vortexes... You global warming people are something else entirely. Is there anyting, anything at all that is not evidence of global warming? Storms=global warming, droughts in the desert=global warming, polar vortexes=global warming. Let me guess, the enormous increase in the number of volcanoes and earthquakes worldwide is also the direct result of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere? The Ferguson riots? Global warming... too hot in Missouri?
Let me give you some facts, not based on any computer model, but actual... you know.. data. There has been NO... 0... NONE... evidence of global warming for 17 years... that is SEVENTEEN YEARS!!!!!!
Some FACTS:
- Humans DO have an impact on their environment: ALL lifeforms do.
- The EARTH's climate DOES change: and it WILL cycle into another glacial period.
Ergo, Humans CAN have an effect on climage change.
...but 90% of what we see now is due to the Sun and other periodic cycles.
Humans are raising the temperature, at most, 1C per 100 years and even that is in doubt as an honest reading of the fossil record and ice core record shows that particle counts increase first, then the temps increase a few hundred years later, and then the CO2 rises a few hundred after that.
If temps have been rising for several hundred years and now CO2 is elevating, it makes sense.
It also means it is not us, it's larger things.
We are also in an interglacial gap, meaning that all of humanity has existed during one of Earth's glacial periods and that right now it is unusually warm and that it is likely to get colder, soon.
Glaciation and the changes it wrought have caused many civilisations on this planet to disappear.
Some facts:
We can't direclty connect any individual weather event with climate change. We can say with a high degree of confidence that certain events become more likely with global warming, including a higher frequency of droughts and a generally drier Western U.S.
The hottest years on record were 2010 and 2005. Here is more on the myth that it has not warmed since 1998 from Skeptical Science. There is a beginner and intermediate page there.
I'm not smarter or better informed than the vast majority (more than 95%) of publishing climate scientists who affirm the reality of AGW, so I trust them. But, I don't only trust them. I've also done my homework by reading several books and articles on the topic and I see evidence that the climate is changing (an environmental limit) just as I see evidence that the US-dominated financial system is teetering (economic/financial limit).
The deepest look at limits to growth shows that there is a connection between limits in the financial system, limits in energy production, and environmental limits.
Bring us your huddled masses....We in Vermont dont discriminate. We dont judge you by your race, creed, or nationality. We are first and foremost liberal humanists who put that humanity before a flag. Theres room and water for more and we are willing to share it. Yes, we have pot smokers, but im willing to bet, so do you; so does everyone.
We remain in glorious perpetuity, the only state that GW Bush didnt visit in two terms for fear of being ridiculed, tarred and feathered and called out for what he is; namely, an international war criminal who should by all rights be tried at the Hague for crimes against Humanity.
In fact, given the choice, most Vermonters would suceed from the Union, not because we hate "Merica", but rather, that we dont define ourselves by it.
Why do you think the snake oil salesmen had wheels on their wagons?
I have seen in other articles that people in Vegas do have a high per capita usage, but I wonder if that is figuring in water used for cooling as in evaporative cooling. Las Vegas has the climate for evaporative coolers.
I feel sorry for anyone that has 25 years left on their 30 year mortgage. The same thiing is happening in Austin, TX as Lake Travis is forecast to go dry 2016. They keep issuing building permits though.
Per-capita-use is one thing, total/cumulative consumption is yet another. It's the LATER that is the real issue. As noted, growth is the mechanism that delivers us to the later.
Our entire way of life rests upon the notion of growth. We can point and laugh all we want about all those other "poor saps," but this is still "us," we're STILL pushing growth (promoting the very thing that will push us all over the edge). Of course, growth can never continue forever, at some point it WILL stop/end (and it will do it first at the edges).
Just like taxpayers and gamblers, they will just find a way to drill the wells deeper.