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Ukraine Slams "Provocation By A Cynical Aggressor", Refuses Russian Convoy Entry
With the Russian humanitarian convoy approaching the Ukraine border, there was much confusion yesterday whether Kiev would or wouldn't allow the roughly 280 trucks carrying "stuff" to enter its territory. The confusion rose yesterday afternoon when Russia's Lavrov told reporters in Sochi that Russia, after it asked for Germany's aid in getting Kiev to agree, received Ukraine’s permission for the convoy to enter after agreeing to Ukraine’s proposed route, agreeing that the convoy trucks will carry Ukrainian license plates, and complying with Ukraine’s demand for Ukrainian govt representatives to be on trucks. Turns out Ukraine was just kidding, and as Reuters reports this morning, the Kiev government once again denounced the dispatch of a Russian humanitarian aid convoy to eastern Ukraine as an act of Russian cynicism on Wednesday and said it would not be permitted to enter.
"The level of Russian cynicism knows no bounds," Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk said at a government meeting. "First they send tanks, Grad missiles and bandits who fire on Ukrainians and then they send water and salt."
Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said on his Facebook page: "No Putin 'humanitarian convoy' will be allowed across the territory of Kharkiv region. The provocation by a cynical aggressor will not be allowed on our territory."
The comments reflected suspicions in Kiev and Western capitals that passage of the convoy onto Ukrainian soil could turn into a covert military action to help pro-Russian separatists now losing ground to government forces.
Today, Finland too joined in, perhaps to make it seem that there is a western consensus against Russian humaintarian aid: "Finland’s government said in an e-mailed statement that the conflict in Ukraine “must be resolved through negotiations and to make that happen, it’s of primary importance that Russia stops aiding separatist groups."
However, just to keep the world on its toes, and to make the Ukraine government, now engaging in 4 months of civil war against its own people appear less heartless, it was not immediately clear if this was an outright rejection of the Russian aid or a refusal to allow the Russian trucks onto Ukrainian territory.
Ukraine said on Tuesday that the cargo would have to be unloaded from Russian trucks at the border and transferred under international Red Cross aegis onto other vehicles. The European Union (EU) said the contents would have to be scrutinized.
Kiev accuses Russia of supporting and arming the rebels - who now appear to be on the verge of defeat by government forces - with tanks, missiles and other weapons. Moscow denies this.
To be sure, expect this plotline to change at least several more times before the trucks finally arrive at their border destination, at which point it is anyone's guess just how Russia will escalate tensions should Kiev continue to dig in and refuse to help out the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and ethnic Russians caught in Europe's most deadly civial wars in years.
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Fuck the EU, we got us taxpayer money and Stret Nahtzees!
Why isn't GW whining about this obvious act of genocide to say nothing of the 2000+ people who have died?
Why Europe not send banned food by Russia to Ukraine as humanitarian aid?
Ukraine is a part of Europe now? or not?
Putin won't forget.
Europe, IMF, USA humanatitian aid? Why would they do that, there's nothing in it for them.
If the CIA pays me I'll say something. (think offer if you are out there).
What's the shelf life on humanitarian aid?
Hey those trucks are on the PA turnpike outside my house. I recognize that place in the photo. There's a drug stash on the other side of the tree line.
Didn't have my morning coffee yet.
No need to worry about russian weapons in those trucks. Poroshenko kills his own ukranian people effectively enough as it is
Kiev is prodding the bear. But the bear is not in a hurry. Sure it cares about the people in East Ukraine but it cannot bite the bait until it is ready to swallow.
Ukranians are still trying to drag our sorry asses into their conflict with Russia and bleed us for more American dollars. Hell they fought with the Nazi's in WWII. Putin turn the trucks around and tell the Ukes to GFY.
Well Im no foreign affairs expert, but I say that anybody that sends trucks full of packaged food, blankets, basic elements to a region in need - the role of the recipient (after inspection to confirm not weapons or trojan horse) is to just say "Thank you". That's it. When I hear the "Authorities" and the "Powers that Be" pontificating on why this is bad rather than distributing to the masses in affected area - I say hang them from nearest tree.
Well, I'm no "common sense" expert, but why the hell would I let anybody give food, blankets and generators, and who knows exactly what else, to people actually shooting at me, trying to destroy what is my own sovereign nation, persons already armed with weapons and technology by the same people donating the aid?
Said without taking any particular side, just using "common sense".
Besides, how would they get the trucks to the right places, considering key bridges have all been blown up? Sounds like a big PR campaign of "Putin cares", but with the realization that the stuf can't get where it's needed, anyways.
So if the people of Texas voted to quit the Union, you would be advocating no negotiations and just start bombing them? Because that is exactly what is going on here.
. Sorry about repeat.
Its not the people of the ukaraine that is the problem its the US sponsored Nazi government, the people of the Ukraine are wonderful and wish to live in peace, however their government would like to exterminate the Russian speaking part of the population, call me crazy, but I don't think thats right.
If Ukies and EUcrats continue to demonstrate they have no honor, then negotiation will always be futile and force will become the only viable solution.
too broad as a statement, imho. starting with "EUcrats", and further with the fact that there is a civil war going on, which is in my book the opposite of negotiations and an application of force
Even the official US propaganda mouthpiece in Europe says:
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko says he has agreed to an international humanitarian mission for eastern Ukraine led by the Red Cross that includes cooperation from the European Union, Germany, and Russia.
Poroshenko said the mission has the blessings of Russia and the United States.
http://www.rferl.org/content/kyiv-agrees-red-cross-aid/26525197.html
If there is no trust, and no honor among states, then there is no place or role for international law, and the law of jungle will prevail. I don't think Lavrov would have stated that he "received a note with the confirmation of the Ukrainian side’s readiness to receive the aid" if he hadn't. He may be aggressive in foreign policy posturing, but he's not stupid.
Any agreement can be changed by consent of all the parties, or by prior consent of all the parties that the consent of all parties is not required for amendment, such as unilateral amendment by one of the parties (e.g. Ukraine) or amendment by an entity that is not a party to the agreement (e.g. Finland). If there was prior consent of all the parties for amendment by less than mutual consent parties, someone wold have cited the "authority" they had to queer the deal.
have you accounted for stupidity, misunderstandings and time-lags? I also tend to believe Lavrov. If he indeed says that he received a note, I believe him
but who gave him that note? in the article you linked you have Poroshenko agreeing to Red-Cross-organized help, then Putin telling Barroso that "...Moscow is sending a "humanitarian" convoy into Ukraine with Red Cross supervision. It said there would not be any Russian military escort."
while Barroso "...warned Putin against any unilateral military action in Ukraine under any pretext, including humanitarian."
if someone is stopping the Red Cross from being there, it's one thing. but if the Red Cross has not yet been called, it's a different thing, isn't it?
The ICRC was a party to discussions and admitted as much, yesterday (morning?) they sent notice to the Russians yesterday that they hadn't received a complete inventory of the aid to be delivered, and I would assume that has been provided, or the notification would have been repeated by the ICRC, and certainly by the EUcrats over night.
I think Ukraine actually has far more of a legitimate basis for claiming for stupidity, misunderstandings and time-lags, as well as an unclear separation of powers under the constitution (except that the President has sole authority over international relations despite the fact that the FM technically reports to the PM).
However, if such issues were legitimate obstacles to EU action, then the UK would not have managed a third round of humanitarian aid drops to the Kurds and Yazidis overnight, of which I am sure ISIS will manage to capture its "fair share" of to pursue its un-humanitarian aims.
Justice Potter Stewart's definition of obscenity can also be applied to obstruction, "I know it when I see it" Over the weekend and Monday, I had suspicions and the Russians were certainly moving quickly, but those suspicions were confirmed on Tuesday, and now it is just getting silly.
Kiev's oligobankster regime is "using its military against its own people," the evidence is all over the web, and nowhere in the msm is a single fuck being given.
I'm not saying there's 9 guys in a room somewhere controlling most of the news media, but I am saying it sure looks thst way on topic after topic.
Clever stunt or not, the aid is likely needed -vand that point has been lost. If Ukraine and Fox can merely put quotes around 'humanitarian convoy' and transform it into a covert blitzkrieg.... then the warmongers have already won.
Personally, I don't think there are 9 guys in a room somewhere. Instead, if their
paycheck depends upon it, and it always does, people just plain do what they
are told. Or, in other words, most people can be told what to do most of the
time. In the West anyway.
I think there are probably 6 guys who run 80 pct of USA media, and they are golfing buddies so likely will not be found in a room but out on the greens somewhere.
Much worse than 9 men in a room, the latest events show just how much individualist thought and liberalism can become collectivism. They have instituted diffuse bureaucracy as democratic ideals have become nothing more than negative liberty. In short, this means instituting laws against whatever is opposed to my idea of liberty. The laws of negation demand progression towards sameness, and this is why so many people have become goosesteppers of the mind.
(Of course, the CIA has done its job in controlling the paths of negation. But you can speak to many university professors or other supposedly intelligent democratic people and you will find they think of the world on the exact same terms.)
What do the Ukrainians think these trucks are? Transformers?
vlad's got 'em where he wants 'em.
This aid might interfere with the IMF sponsored depopulation plan in the South East.
"The provocation by a cynical aggressor" that might save many lives is unacceptable -ethnic cleansing must go on. The wall street reptiles and their Ukranian pets demand mass graves optimized for fracking .
Exactly. The Ukraine ministers want ethnic Russians swept out of Eastern Ukraine or pounded to dust, so they don't get in the way of all those planned fracking wells. Biden Jr. and Sr. are happy with this plan - more bonuses for them.
As the notsees and the shenees play their shell games in Kiev, let's recap events from last winter; http://scgnews.com/the-ukraine-crisis-what-youre-not-being-told
For all the anti-Russian rhetoric and unfounded [so far] allegations about shot down planes and the provision of arm - anyone recall the fake photos of Russian SF in Ukraine? you don't need to make up shit when the truth is on your side...
Look at Odessa. The separatists have real reason to fear both the Ukrainian nationalist fascists, and the US puppet regime. Kiev demanding "surrender" is objectively absurd. they should disengage and start talking about limited autonomy within Ukraine. Putin has mentioned this.
The idea makes sense, which is why the US State Department won't go near it. They want all of Ukraine to loot.
They wanted absolute surrender from Japan. And such an insult paved the way for testing nukes on a few million people. There is something deeply wrong in America that everyone will have to figure out before the revolution.
Difficult to sympathize with nazi's who have vowed to exterminate their own Russian speaking people in the east and are now blocking humanatarian aid or the countries that support such actions.
Since Malaysian media revelaed that Ukrainian jets deliberately fired missiles into MH17 and then machine gunned the cockpit almost noone believes the new government are anything but lying murdering (US backed) criminals anymore. Ironically Putin becomes more popular with each step in this ongoing crime against humanity. The irony of the US spending $5 Billion and succeeding in making Vlad more popular than Obama is hopefully not being lost on the American public.
Paul Craig Roberts’ recent observations on America and the American Matrix:
“As I have previously observed, Americans live in The Matrix, not in the real world. One day Americans could wake up stunned by reality, or they could die from weapons of mass destruction and not wake up. Americans are nothing but cannon fodder for the neoconservative drive for Washington’s world hegemony. The media on which Americans rely lies to them and prevents them from knowing any significant truths. Americans can learn that they lost the World Cup, but they cannot learn of their government’s crimes and drive toward war, or of the responses of other powerful countries whose governments are unwilling, unlike England, Germany, and France, to be Washington’s vassals.”
And this: “The corruption in present-day America is total. Psychologists and anthropologists serve war and torture. Economists serve globalism and US financial hegemony. Physicists and chemists serve the war industries. Physicists and computer geeks serve NSA. The media serves the government and the corporations. The political parties serve the six powerful private interest groups that rule the country.
"No one serves truth and liberty.
"I predict that within ten years truth and liberty will be forbidden words uttered only by “domestic extremists” who are a threat that must be exterminated without due process of law.
"America has left us. We now have the tyranny of the Orwellian state that rules, not by the ballot box and Constitution, but by force and propaganda."
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/01/guest-column-vladimir-putin/’
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/07/virtual-economys-phantom-job-gains-based-statistical-fraud-paul-craig-roberts/
" hopefully not being lost on the American public."
the amis, for the most part, do not know where UE is.
White trucks in convoy bringing aid.....hard to imagine in Gaza and certainly unlikely in Erbil, but Russia has done the deed and Western media looks away.
12 Neo-Nazis killed in an ambush by Separatists and not a wotrd in Western media why Right Sektor Neo=Nazis are used as Einsatzkommando by the Ukrainian "military" and what kind of executions they conduct.
Maybe the California National Guard is learning new techniques with the Ukrainians ? Maybe the Canadians flying into Kharkov can explain what is going on ?
Just how repressive has Brennan ordered Poroschenko ChocMan to act in East Ukraine ? How many camps have they built ?
Actually we've heard what kind of executions they conduct. Look at what happened in Odessa. More of the same is planned for Donetsk and Luhansk.
The same guys were on their way to Crimea before the Russians slammed the door. Busloads got turned away and went instead to Odessa. I am beginning to think that while the annexation of Crimea may have been "illegal" it was probably "moral" because it saved lives.
"The level of Russian cynicism knows no bounds," (Jewish) Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk said at a government meeting. "First they send tanks, Grad missiles and bandits who fire on Ukrainians and then they send water and salt."
The Ukrainian army’s assault in Eastern Ukraine follows the Likud principle: attack, kill and starve the civilian population and they will force their soldiers to stop resisting. Are the people of Ukraine and Russia never to be freed from the Jewish war agenda?
Inverting the Truth | Yancey Ames
Jews love to invert the truth on all kinds of subjects. One is the claim that the Jews of Russia turned to Communism because the Czar was “oppressing” them. The truth is precisely the reverse – the Jews were oppressing the Russians.
What Jewish apologetic historians pretend was “Czarist oppression” was, in fact, an attempt by the Czarist government to protect an ignorant, illiterate peasant population from Jewish economic crime and exploitation. The Poles and Russians employed the Jews as tax collectors for their regimes. As in medieval Spain the Jewish tax collectors were paid by commission – the more money they could extort in taxes (think Lois Lerner and Doug Shulman), the more money the Jewish tax collectors made. Thus, as in Spain, the Jews literally robbed the peasants blind.
The Jews also ran a vast trade in alcohol, getting the population drunk and then loaning the financially strapped population money they could not possibly repay. Interest rates on the money were frequently 40-50%. The Jews would then foreclose and take everything the peasant had. On top of these abuses the Jews operated a vast sex slave network in the Czarist Empire. The Zwi Migdal kidnapped thousands of impoverished girls and sent them to brothels in Argentina and Brazil. Out of 283 brothels in Russia in the late 19th century, over 230 of them were run by Jews.
These were the abuses that led the Czars to impose severe restrictions on the Jews. The Jews snivel endlessly over the numerous clauses imposed on Jewish commercial activities. But without these restrictions entire industries would have fallen under Jewish control—as many did. In St. Petersburg in the 1890s, 80%-90% of all lawyers were Jews. Poliakov built the Russian railroads and the Jew Brodsky dominated the sugar trade. The vast Ukrainian grain trade was a Jewish monopoly. The alcohol, timber and fishing industries were entirely Jewish dominated. In Odessa starting in the 1840s, the commerce of the city was taken out of Greek and Russian hands by a Jewish commercial invasion.
Jews, then, were not nearly so “persecuted’ in Russia as they like to pretend. But there is an even bigger charge against them. The Marxist revolutionary movements in the Czarist Empire were all dominated by Jews. The disproportionate number of Jews in Communist subversion was immense. Of the numerous Czarist officials assassinated by revolutionaries, about 20% were killed by Jews…
Jewish subversive activity was not limited to the Czarist Empire. It spread westward into Germany and Hungary. (Bela Kun’s Hungarian revolution was almost entirely a Jewish affair. Out of 200 leading commissars, 160 were Jewish.) In the Kaiser’s collapsing Germany a similar percentage prevailed. Kurt Eisner and Rosa Luxemberg were obvious examples of Jews trying to communize German society…
Today the Jews abuse the Palestinians the same way they once abused the Russians and Ukrainians with Communism. The Jews dispossessed 700,000 Arabs and kicked them into the desert to starve. They then scream that the Arabs are “terrorists” and that innocent saintly Jews must be protected from said “terrorism.” This is the truth inverted to fit a long-standing agenda. -- ANU (July 2014)
http://www.anu.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwi_Migdal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Polyakov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Brody
If I was Putin I would have taken my tanks and run from one side of the Ukrain to the Other... then back again and then one more time for good luck. We're talking about a military force that can defeat the United States here... what the Americans are doing is total insanity, they are f*cking with all our lives.
Stop aiding the separatists so that we can flatten the east and starve the people out. Because broken windows and we're impossibly sick beings.
Welcome to sunny Novorossia Separatist stands guard at a border checkpoint in Izvaryne, Luhansk region.
What is very interesting to me is that the president makes conciliatory noises and then the prime minister and interior minister, both neo-Nazis, contradict him. This is not the first time Poroshenko has been made to look irrelevant. When he called a cease-fire last month, the leader of the Azov army flatly countermanded his order. I wonder how much power Poroshenko actually has, other than being just a figurehead.
he is totally ceremonial.
Gimmee a break... Putin needs to grow a pair and man-up. If he wants the aid delivered directly to those who need it, he just needs to roll the damned trucks all the way Donetsk and Luhansk with a heavily armed ground and air military escort. Period. Do folks really think NATO is going to do, or even can do, jack shit if Putin does this? Hell, Russia gets sanctioned even if it does nothing, so exactly what does Putin have to lose at this point?
Unless it's purely for PR, what is Putin thinking in his attenpt to cooperate with Kiev, the OSCE, and even the ICRC? The Kiev junta obviously doesn't want any kind of aid going to ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine, whom they are trying to blockade and ethnically clense. The OSCE and the Swiss ICRC, both of whom were proven to be pro-EU and pro-NATO organizations after they were caught facilitating spying for NATO during the 90's Balkans War, can't be trusted to oversee delivering the aid. The hypocritical do-gooder ICRC was even caught helping to smuggle arms into the hands of violent Muslim Jihadists in the Kosovo Liberation Army ("KLA").
From: http://www.truedemocracy.net/hj33/15.html
"The police in the three countries contend the arms smuggling to the KLA has been arranged, with the help of the American CIA, through Portugal among other places. And the International Red Cross have reportedly played the role of facilitators".
He imagined they would do this, I suspect. And it makes the West look so bad that many average blue/red supporters are starting to see cameltoe from beneath the robes of the invisible king.
Excellent points. The money provided America’s Empire warmongers via the Fed is literally buying up the world, buying control over all the organizations, the groups and institutions that control people, including, as you reveal Boogity, the Red Cross.
As such, weapons-running around the globe via the Red Cross and others seems to be a major part of America’s disastrous policies in the Middle East and Eastern Europe, leaving countries like Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Palestine in ruins, and now Ukraine; and Americans deeper and deeper in debt.
Ollie Issa, the national field organizer for the War Resisters League in July told AFP, when asked about Hillary Clinton’s and former CIA Director David Petraeus’s weapons-running program centered in Libya:
“Benghazi was a catastrophic and dismaying situation at a covert level. We’ll never see any policy changes until the weapons industry and lobbyists quit profiting from the status quo.”
The Obama Administration is spending 45 cents of every dollar on the Defense Department, according to Issa.
Putin is setting up what auditors and personnel officers call a "paper trail." When he does act forcefully, it will only be after every non-violent avenue is explored. Then when the inevitable wailing and gnashing of teeth occurs in the West, he will calmly say, "we tried this, then this, then followed Kiev's orders on this, then these, then that, and now there are no alternatives to direct action."
Until that moment, Putin is withholding his armies.
well said.
I continue to operate under the assumption that the ultimate goal of Putin's antics is to convince the intellectual classes of western Europe that Washington is a shady collection of charlitans.
Imagine the following press conference:
Press: "Mr Putin, Washington alleges you are shipping weapons to rebels in east Ukraine under the guise of humanitarian relief".
Putin: "Yes, well, last Wednesday or so, Nato was in the press claiming we sould soon invade while pretending to support humanitarian goals. Then on Friday, Mr Obama announced they would begin bombing Iraq for the fourth time to promote humanitarian relief"
Press: "But you are interfering with a nation in chaos trying to recover after part of it was stolen... by you..."
Putin: "I have read it in all the same western papers that you have, but I will point out there are other points of view on how the crisis in Ukraine got started and I will also point out that we did not begin providing our relief in Ukaine until after the Americans provided relief to Iraq. So why is it unacceptable for us to do just as the Americans did first? We asked the same sort of question after Crimea voted to separate from Ukraine under the precise conventions of international law that were used in Kosovo.
I must put my arm around a tiger now. Good day..."
With Kiev 'pounding' Donetsk and the cities of the East and now refusing entry to the Russian humanitarian effort, it's obvious that Nuland/NATO have ordered Poroshenko to provoke Putin to intervene in Ukraine.
Why? To give the self-righteous US and Europe the excuse to start what they assume wll be a limited and contained conflict on Russia's western border.
They want this to begin immediately, before the the findings on MH17 are published, so whatever findings are critical of Ukraine will be upstaged by Russia's invasion.
I assume that Putin the chess player is too smart to fall for the ploy of the three stooges.
Good point... I had not folded this into the context of MH17.
All of this is for the set up of Kiev's invasion of Crimea after the insurgency in Donbass is put down.
If Russia jumps in now, NATO will want to join the fight immediately.
If that happens NATO will be in place in South-east Ukraine, when Kiev decides to reclaim Crimea.
If Russia is not provoked into intervening and NATO stays where it is, Poroshenko's initial push into Crimea without NATO at his side will be easier for Putin to deal with.
Russia will gain something if it only garners the propaganda victory of Kiev's brutal actions to Donetsk and their hypocritical denial of Russian humanitarian aid, while promoting their own too little too late version.
"First Kiev mercilessly pounds Donetsk, then it is so concerned about the suffering of the population it wants to be the only one to relieve their suffering, even though their relief will arrive two weeks later than Russia's."
"after the insurgency in Donbass is put down" you say this as if you know what you are talking about but you don't know much.
NATO is worried they may have to get involved.
They re not going to muster the necessary troops for this. Tell me who is going in? DE?
The gas goes off immediately.
NATO is dead in the water.
Crimea is now RU. What you are saying is that UE is going to attack RU. Is that correct?
Think about that. The choc. king can't win in his own territory and he is going to attack Crimea?
you must be working for the nuland stooges. sounds like their view of things. lol
If you had a brain, bashole, you'd know where I stand on the Ukaine issue.
You're the fool who thinks that "pamper" jokes are funny.
And that you came up with something nobody ever thought of when you thought of turning off the gas.
You must still be in kindergarten. Maybe you'll be alright if and when you grow up.
Or maybe not.
They have two weeks or so yet before the MH17 preliminary findings come out
Just saw this
http://www.china.org.cn/world/2014-08/09/content_33191756.htm
Having lived and worked for nearly 6 years during the early-mid 90's in the Netherlands, I don't hold out a lot for hope for the Dutch-run investigation. Although I like the Dutch, as a general rule they tend to be an extremely conformist people who are not prone to challenging authority and will infortunately, if pressured, most likely tow the line on the USA/EU/NATO story . In fact, in the very large company I worked for in the Netherlands, which employed not only Dutch but large numbers of ex-Pats from around the world, many of the ex-pats jokingly referred, in a good-natured way, to the conformist Dutch as "Robo-cloggies". In short, the Dutch are great "employees" because they generally tended to obey orders and never rock the boat.
All of this begs the question, why the hell did Russian Seperatists (and Putin) turn the MH17 Black Boxes over to the Malaysians without assurances that they would in turn be handed over to neutral third parties to conduct the investigation? The EU and NATO, both of which the Netherlands belongs to, obviously have an axe to grind WRG to Russia, and the lead Dutch investigators, if pressured by their 'bosses", may obfuscate or perhaps even lie about any data which might exonerate the Seperatists. It would be naive to assume otherwise, especially given the way the EU, USA, and NATO (and the Netherlands) are in-lock-step turning an offical blind eye to the obvious ethnic clensing going on in eastern Ukraine.
Hopefully in the week of elapsed time between the MH17 crash and when the Black Boxes were turned over, the Russians had the common sense to download and make a copy of the original data. The Russians are perhaps the best hackers in the world and I'm 100% sure they have the capability to do this.
But didn't we just see a moment of UNlock-step on July 27th -- after the MH17 tragedy -- when Timmermans quickly granted diplomatic status to the Venezuelan general the US had arrested in Aruba. And sent him packing back to Caracas, personna non grata?
Washington seemed both annoyed and surprised by the Netherland's action.
I wonder if the Dutch behavior has anythng to do with MH17.
Good point... Forgot about that. Hopefully MH17 is such a nasty peice of business, that the usually conformist Dutch won't get on all fours and kiss the Emperor's boots this time.
But since the Venezuelan General incident, during the last couple of weeks, the Dutch have played along with the last round of pretty brutal EU / USA sanctions without a peep. This is not a good sign. Nevertheless, hopefully you're correct that the Dutch may grow a spine.
I am reserving judgement on the Dutch until after the Dutch Safety Board publishes its finding. I refuse to believe that after 193 countrymen were killed, they will give the perpetrators a pass.
I was down on the Dutch during the Arctic Sunrise episode and the bashing of the Russian ambassador. But following that the Dutch king visited Russia and Putin was cordial and forgave and forgot. I took a cue from him.
The decision in Aruba was quite a kick in the pants to Kerry, Holder and Obama.
I felt it was Dutch anger as soon as I read it.
I think we have to wait for publication of the report and not make anything of what the EU, as a union, says or does until then.
My take on the global oil supply is pretty far out. I think there will be a lot less oil available for commercial use shortly.
IOW, peak oil is here.
If this is the case then even the more evolved nations of the EU are already under the thumb of Washington.
email... facebook... this is terrible! How will Doctor Evil's henchmen maintain their standard of living if Doctor Evil phones it in himself? How will Jay Carney put his kids through Evil Sarah Charter School and Evil U? Even worse, what will they do for work when they graduate, now that the Evil parrot networks have been downsized & scrapped?
OK--------Time to do it the Smudge way
AIR DROP
GET GERMAN UN UNITS IN THERE
Ukraine is be too paranoids, da? Trojan horse is be from Troy not is be from Moscow!
Boris?
schizophrenic. UE/US/EU are just scared s**tless.
i hope those RU trucks are carrying loads of pampers
just watched UE pm yats on tv.
this guy is certifiable.