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Putin Punks West (Again): Russian Troops Enter Ukraine, Guardian Reports
As Russia's 300-strong 'humanitarian' convoy of white trucks slithered towards the Ukraine border, it appears, according to The Guardian, that, in spite of the market's exuberance at this morning's comments of "avoiding conflict," Vladimir Putin sent a real 'green' military Russian convoy across the Ukraine border late Thursday evening.
So @RolandOliphant and I just saw a column of APCs and vehicles with official Russian military plates cross border into Ukraine.
— Shaun Walker (@shaunwalker7) August 14, 2014
.@shaunwalker7 and I just witnessed a not insubstantial column of APCs and trucks slipping across the border into Ukraine.
— Roland Oliphant (@RolandOliphant) August 14, 2014
Didn't even turn off their headlights. Saw Russian military plates on support vehicles, but no markings I could make out on APCs.
— Roland Oliphant (@RolandOliphant) August 14, 2014
While the white trucks came to a halt well short of Ukraine's border, a different Russian convoy did cross into Ukrainian territory late on Thursday evening.
The Guardian saw a column of 23 armoured personnel carriers, supported by fuel trucks and other logistics vehicles with official Russian military plates, travelling towards the border near the Russian town of Donetsk.
After pausing by the side of the road until nightfall, the convoy crossed into Ukrainian territory, using a rough dirt track and clearly crossing through a gap in a barbed wire fence that demarcates the border. Armed men were visible in the gloom by the border fence as the column moved into Ukraine.
Kiev has lost control of its side of the border in this area.
The trucks are unlikely to represent a full-scale official Russian invasion, and it was unclear how far they planned to travel inside Ukrainian territory and how long they would stay. But it was incontrovertible evidence of what Ukraine has long claimed – that Russian troops are active inside its borders.
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The armoured column seen by the Guardian appeared to be further evidence of Russia's incursions, which the Kremlin has repeatedly denied.
A column of armoured vehicles and military trucks crossed the border from Russia into Ukraine on Thursday night, in the first confirmed sighting of such an incident by Western journalists.
The Telegraph witnessed a column of vehicles including both armoured personal carriers and soft-skinned lorries crossing into Ukraine at an obscure border crossing near the Russian town of Donetsk shortly before 10pm local time.
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We assume this means Stocks will give back all their gains? lol...
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Of course, we suspect if one were to ask Putin, this is merely an entry into an independent sovereign republic... not Ukraine per se... although we are sure he knows full well how the West will interpret this action.
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To the moon Alice!!!
Putin just poking the soft underbelly. Red lines will be drawn with Barry's crayons (as soon as Reggie pulls out). If it were a real invasion, the junta would already be surrendering
Sheriff Lyle Wallace aka Cottonmouth: I am the law. Don't you understand, I represent the law.
Rubber Vlad: Piss on you, and piss on your law.
Give it a rest. US gets to go in everywhere. EVEN if Russia had "protective" support. WTF?
Who gave the USA the right to decide the fate of the world? WTF? Anyone paying attention to anything here? Moving into the much raped Balkan states? I am heritage Estonian. Heaven help my relatives. One more time;.
LET THE FRIGGING DOLLAR DIE ALREADY.
Quick, somebody draw a red line!!!
The only red line I expect from the WH is the red line around Obamas dick after Reggie puts on the lipstick...
slithered?
When the music stops, everybody under your desk!
Break out the supply of DHS approved scissors first.
Clinton WH pastime.
Okay.
Everyone is fucking insane.
All you men are insane.
WTF!?!
I am serious with this really stupid question.
How do we stop this?
It's you Women that make us crazy ;-)
No stopping a species that is only 9% removed from Baboons.
Sorry MS, there's no stopping it until "We The People" stand together and demand accountability from those who are supposed to represent us.
Unfortunately hunger, sickness, and sorrow are the prime motivators.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.
Freedom doesn't mean having government. Your premise begins with slavery, after that it's downhill.
Not a wise thing to do.
Surgery.
I did not junk you, but stop what? This has been going on forever. The stuff in St. Louis is just same crap different decade. The only thing that has changed is the internets ability to BREAK NEWS every 30 minutes. Everyone on here is addicted to it.
Am I wrong that I think this time is different, that they are driving us right to nuclear war?
i think there is a chance that false flags are being put in place for a major market crash. i also think it very well could be same shit, different decade. i doubt it about nuclear war. oligarchs like their coke and hookers and yachts etc. nuclear war could cause minor disruptions.
In a Third World War no country has to even launch a nuclear armed ICBM. The enemies domestic nuclear power becomes the strategic target. Within days it may be possible to end up with dozens of Fukushimas. The next major war is most likely the end of civilisation. You'd tend to think what sick oligarch, sociopathic bastards could even conceive of such a thing but the truth of the matter is your average, loving, good natured Christian, Jew and Muslim pine for the end of the world as well.
We are fucked.
>>>your average, loving, good natured Christian, Jew and Muslim pine for the end of the world...
(True, but) "when you use more than 5% of your brain, you don't want to be on Earth."
- The Great Rip Torn
"Am I wrong that I think this time is different, that they are driving us right to nuclear war?"
Probably not. The system is in a run till failure mode because control freaks are incapable of leaving a system alone so that it can be successful.
If you understand why man's intelligence developed you will see that mankind must eventually self-destruct.
I don't mind humns disappearing from the face of the earth but it's a shame to screw it up for the rest of the species that for millenia have lived in perfect harmony.
No need to lament the loss of species living in 'perfect harmony.' Given enough time it will all return, red in tooth and claw as always. There have already been a minimum of three global extinction events, so I'd bet that the planet's going to be just fine.
We, on the other hand, are fucked.
How will housing prices be affected, long term?
I think the major market crash is a fairly likely scenario. And of course it will be a false flag(s) that will precipitate it. The predominant reason I think the market crash is likely is simply because most of the big money is OUT of the stock market. Have you seen the volumes or lack thereof? Even for summer, it's non-existent. It's about time for them to crash it in order to:
1) exert even more control over the populace with directives and laws that usurp more power to "protect" us, prolly form "terrists" again
2) time to rinse and repeat and buy back the market on the cheap, same as in 09.
Driving us to war, but conventional. Nukes would damage cropland and manufacturing.
I fear nuclear war, but the banksters and money-changers want controlled and contained destruction.
Poking Russia with a stick is a huge mistake and miscalculation.
Fonz, EB,
I think you are both too reasonable, though I hope you are right. Sometimes shit runs on ego and damn the consequences. Have you not seen it in folks you know? I have.
maybe, but what is the point of worrying about nuclear war? Not much we are going to do about it, and if it happens we are fked anyway. May as well make hay...
You're right, not much we can do about it, but some real men might be able to.
Actually, I'm hoping Putin has some sleepers ready to take out the Oligarchy on this side of the ditch.
The rot is too deep for a simple fix like that.
The US now is the antithesis of what it was at its founding.
Nuclear war is a game of chicken. Essentially why do it, will surely fawk everything up. Even crazy shithead Kim Jong Poon doesn't go that far.
Most likely, the next BIG war will be cyber and financial in nature. Banks won't be banks when we wake up one morning. You think Russian hackers stole 1.2 billion passwords for kicks and giggles?
Whoever is losing the financial war will look at his pile of nukes and go, "Hmm, maybe ...."
The "Western" Oligarchs think that the Russian establishment is as indifferent to the well being of their fellow Russians, as they themselves are to their citizen-cattle.
They may be right, but I am not yet convinced.
A poster over on SyrianPersepctive.com said the Ukies had some nuke artillery shells that they sent to Israel and had them make some changes and sent them back to the Ukraine. This does not sound good.
I'm startin' to think that what we're seeing on the world stage are merely minor squabbles amongst regional oligarchs. At bottom, they all serve the same master- the international banks. Why would the master want to eliminate 98 or so percent of the oligarchs' slaves in one fell swoop? The answer is he doesn't.
The idea is to create enough mischief to keep the slaves occupied, and collateral damage (you) is not only an acceptable outcome, it is a requirement.
Thus, the oligarchs are allowed to feel powerful, making them unlikely to turn on the master, and the serfs are easily controlled by the squabbles of the oligarchs.
The master doesn't want to destroy all of us, just enough to keep us unaware of his existence.
Why eliminate large chunks of population?
Technology, automation. Don't need the serfs anymore, at least not the thinking ones.
Look for farmland w/o any upwind targets for a few thousand miles to delay / postpone the negative repercussions.
...at least not the thinking ones... This, my observant friend will be the undoing of both the oligarchs and the master. How likely is it that the master and the oligarchs and their various cadres of unthinking, procedure following, policy conforming minions will create actual value? It's not likely at all, is it?
While I don't sweat global thermonuclear war, I get what you're saying about automation making human labor obsolete, but it's only 'the thinking ones' who make this possible.
This system makes enemies out of the very ones who keep it alive. It ain't gonna work, CB. Pure and simple.
You don't need to exterminate obsolete humans actively, just antagonize them to riot. Witness Ferguson MO. Those folks are pitifully stupid- not much higher on the food chain than macaques. That's part of the system, too. You gotta divide and conquer until there's not a morsel of actual value left that isn't concurrently owned by hundreds of people, who actually believe that they are the sole owners of said morsels- Then, and only then, do you let the cat outta the bag.
Surprise! All you fuckers are as destitute and desperate as the rioters in Ferguson.
At the same instant, the master and his oligarchs vanish into the ether.
Hey, Fonz, I resemble that remark! I am NOT addicted to ZH!
Sometimes I go an entire day without blogging on it.
You ain't blogging. You're commenting. K?
Billary '16 !!!!!!!!!!!
If you wanted revenge with a gender comeback, you won. What a horror.
And a whore-er. ;-)
A murdering whore-er at that! I feel like we are stuck in an episode of Deadwood, duckie.
what is Deadwood ? some kind of Netlix or Home Lox Office fictional garbage "series"?
Actually, it was a pretty good yarn.
Cocksucker.
One of the best ever series on cable.
degenerate tit-licker.
Perhaps the finest broadcast drama of this, or any, generation.
Tastes like chocolate?
Mscreant, if you think Bilary is bad, check out this nightmare:
http://www.cafepress.com/mf/74194099/clinton-obama-2016_bumper-sticker?p...
Yeah, but who takes on the male role in this little lesbo theatrical play.
Wow, you can get a 10 pack!!
B. Clinton and B. Obama salivate: "Four Moar Years."
HAHAHAHA! Imagine that ticket makes it, then Hill is knocked off. HAHAHHAHA!
And once elected, they'll bring in Hunter Biden as Secretary of State.
"How do we stop this?"
Just put your lips together and blow.....
Horrywood is the answer
This wasn't going to be stopped when it started years ago. Just like the debt based society, once on the path there was no reversing it.
Look back through history, it will go to conclusion.
We are all ranting at this point becuase the inevitable will be very painful. But we're off the cliff and plummeting.
You are, of course, correct and I know better. You cannot steal from the future, it will be paid, one way or another. It just seems like we could evolve and not do the whole war thing. Guess not this go around.
Kids don't build a hot-rod to leave it parked in a driveway.
Shit doesn't change when they get older either.
You build it to use it.
HRT.
MsCreant: Well I think I've had just about enough of this, thank you very much. I'll think I'll take my things and GET OUT. If you'll pull over to the side, I'm sure I can hitch a ride very easily... Weren't you listening to me? I said I'm ready to get out!
Rubber Vlad: You want out? We're being chased. You want out? Jump.
MsCreant: You want to add the Mann Act to your collection?
Rubber Vlad: Mann Act's for 18 year olds, not someone who's seen the better side of thirty!
I think I like it. But who is the audience for this version of the show?
Assasinate Putin!!!!!!!
bout time he stopped playin with those bitches in the Ukraine and their fucking pimps back here in the US...
this of course should send the Dow and S&Piss to the moon...
and oh yeah, and then there's that ceiling of $1320 and $20 in the phony paper markets of Gold and Silver...
fuck off...
DEATH TO THE MONEYCHANGERS..
Death to: counterfeiters,child molesters and looters.
A good first step at taking back society.
Russia has to do something or else Kiev will keep advancing east.
It's kind of hard to believe those trucks are all full of food, water and other items of "humanitarian" assistance though.
My thots exactly semper, this is either a huge trojan horse or a provocation in hopes of having their white "humanitarian convoy" attacked. Russia figured out they can no longer be reactiionary, now they make the moves and let the US react. Brilliant.
Inside Obama's ooda loop. Is he not a fighter pilot too?
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Not exactly. He fancies himself a drone operator, just like in his favorite video game Turgid Droner©*.
*a rather odd one in which the game console controller doesn't actually control the actions of a drone, but instead controls the actions of a drone operator.
Semper,
I assume you are talking about the 300 white supply trucks.
Russia has offered to allow Kiev to inspect each and every truck's contents.
Russia has offered to allow Kiev to put an observer on each and every truck while it is in Ukran..
Simply purporting to "offer" inspections doesn't really mean a genuine, good-faith offer has been made. Was the offer made unconditionally? What were the terms? Those are things that would be helpful to know, although in the propaganda war we may never know the full details.
Thus, I have my suspicions.
There was no "purporting", the offer was made. Keiv could inspect all cargo, period.
Observers were allowed in the truicks, period.
Russia announced no conditions and Kiev did not announce any objections to any conditions.
Kiev simply needs to inspect the contents.
Well, this happened today:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11035401/Russia...
Yeah, it wasn't a "humanitarian" trip after all dude.
The two are not related, and the "secret" incursion report is suspect. But first.
The 300 humanitarian aid trucks are white, they are on a paved road for all to see and Russia has invited Kiev to inspect the contents of each and every truck. Russia has also invited Kiev to put observers on each truck. If anyone wants to verify what is in the trucks it is just that simple, go and look. But Kiev does not want to inspect them because they know what is inside.
Now, the regarding the report of a seperate group of around 20 APC's entering Ukraine. The reporter claims he followed the trucks on a paved road and stopped when they did for nightfall, then he followed them on an obscure dirt road and then he was allowed to observe them crossing a fence into Ukraine. Seems odd that the Russians would allow him to tag along and the timing of the report is convienent.
Now we have reports part of the APC convoy was destroyed. Lets see if this is another false ruse by Kiev/USA where they APC's obtained elsewhere to stage a false battlefield, or if an actual group of Russian military was killed.
http://rt.com/news/180584-border-russian-military-troops/
Correct.
The point in all of this is that if Ukraine/US expects military vehicles and NOT aid then fucking here it is!
Perhaps the follow-on is that Russia will then push the aid behind this? The rationale is that if their aid is seen as a military threat then it would be a miliatary target, and Russia would have none of That!
Chess game going on, don't you know...
As I noted above (to this thread/branch), it's possible that Russia is saying that they have no reason to hide their military vehicles, that the aid IS aid. Also, if Ukraine/West is looking for a military target then, well, here you go! (but stop playing games with aid! "we," Russians, WILL defend those aid vehicles, and here is how!)
"Keep rollin', rollin', rollin',
Though the streams are swollen,
Keep them doggies rollin', rawhide!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHr4ubuD64
so far this guy Oliphant seems to be full of shit, maybe he has puts expiring tomorrow?
Yes, Oliphant is a NATO ass kisser.
True enough, Oliphant is a pressitute, the Guardian and Telegraph are lying rags.
The difference in spin between The Guardian and The Telegraph is amusing.
The Guardian, looking like it is desperately trying to make up for all that Snowden stuff, is being exceptionally subservient:
Further evidence? At least The Telegraph obliquely hinted at the truth:
Translation: Yeah, we know that for the last four months, without a single shred of evidence, we've been accusing the Russians of an invasion. But this time it might have really happened! Maybe.
better explanation, thanks, a NATO media whore shit disturber
But Reuters said we were "out of the woods"?...
Reuters, Guardian, Oliphant - they all work for the Red Shield. All news goes through and is filtered through the Wailing Wall.
Reuters is a trader's diaper. Crap all over it.
The photo is actually taken from 10 km inside Russia.
So far there is no photo or video of these claims.
So no proof.
But Twitter is proof or not?
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True enough Volk, the photo proves nothing. There are no external reference points or GPS co ordinates. It could be taken anywhere. Gold is not reacting so it is likely more UK BS.
Actually the proof of no Russian invasion taking place is the inability of those making claims to engage the imaginary troops.
US/NATO can say all they want, but unless the troops in question are actually on Ukrainan soil, there's nothing for them to fire at. Even if they somehow succeed, they won't be able to battle Russia without crossing into it first. Remember that those in the Ukraine fighting for independence are Ukrainan residents.
If those are completely eliminated so will the pre-text for war. That's why the whole conflict is taking so damn long. The west wants Russia out, that is not even in and it wants the rebels to give up, by which it means it wants them to keep fighting long enough for Russia to go into the country...
Either that, or driving Kiev into Crimea, which is a suicide, considering the number of Ukrainan troops defecting when faced with rogue batallions in the East. Nevermind going against an actual military base, with full naval and air support, that Russia already recognizes as part of its territory.
If Ukraine attacks Crimea, the West will want to distance itself from the decision as far as possible, much like when it blessed Saddam to go into Kuwait. Then: "We said what? No! We did none of that! It's all his fault!"
Sakhashvili in Georgia was in a similar situation - looking for US blessing and getting it... sort of. If he didn't think he'd receive backing, he would have not thrown his troops into the trap.
So, the West is pretty much parallized here. The coup didn't work out. The provocation didn't either. All they do now is keep the conflict alive and the propaganda fresh until they can either come up with a better plan, or until Russia makes a mistake... another false flag perhaps.
They're shitting their pants over the possibility of MH17 data surfacing. They're probably spending half of their resources combing the ranks, looking for "Snowdens".
Germany is slowly dislodging from the Western machine. Its media has successfully been infiltrated in the propaganda war. They're now backing Russia, releasing hidden documents to the media. Probably still pissed over the Merkel scandal and trying to get back at us.
... and then there are riots in the US, Ebola and many other things happening, none of which affect Russia.
In WW2 we were protected from Europe by the oceans. Today it's Russia that is enjoying segregation and stability, while the rest of the world is falling apart around it.
Well reasoned...
Not sure if Russia can feel like it's protected. It's STILL a matter of location, location, location. And let's face it, very few countries enjoy the defensible position that the US does (with only two countries on its combined borders [well, there's Sarah Palin and her ability to "see Russia" thing).
Judging by the riots in Ferguson I'd say it would be pretty easy for Russia to tear the US apart. Without significant boots on the ground. Then take the Maidan/Caracas/Bukares script and start a real "colour" revolution. Get a few snipers in, and start the Maidan Dance for Democracy.
Start some shootings in police uniforms, wait for the night a shoot at rioters and cops alike. Bring this mayhem to a few cities all over the US simultaneously, and your precious exceptional mall you call a country is over.
This is what a chess player in a real war would do. But it isn't been done, isn't it?
I don't know whether the scenario you describe would percipitate anything in the US. We all know what happens when police gets shot in this country, as in the recent example with one of their own turning the gun. You get a Boston-scale response and a public execution. When civilians are shot - you get riots, not because the public is pissed, but because they're looking for any oportunity to justify lawlessness. Sports riots or ones related to murders? I can't even tell the difference. Same outcome. Looting and stealing.
Nobody goes after politicians, bankers or anyone even remotely connected to the source of all social problems. Those have a greater chance of having an unfortunate encounter with a nailgun than receiving any real justice.
The story of an unarmed mother with a year old baby in the back seat getting gunned down for driving too close to a federal building - if that doesn't cause riots in this country, then we have long passed the point of no return. I'm convinced that nothing will get people rallying in this country for the right cause. Nothing!
If something like this doesn't get the blood boiling, then the country is dead. Period.
Russia needs to do to the US the same thing it does to Ukraine - sit back and relax with a bucket of popcorn. We'll do the rest ourselves. No agent provocateurs needed.
>>>If something like this doesn't get the blood boiling, then the country is dead. Period.
The country (USA) is certainly near-dead; an adversary might well think, as Mr. Hitler did re Stalin's USSR, that all one has to do is "kick in the doors", and the place will collapse.
From the point of view of those in charge of the USA, a major war is indeed highly desirable. A new Great Patriotic War.
america is basically beseiged by the bankers/congress at this point
Right on!
No Ocean is capable of protecting US from the threats within.
... and when it comes to land borders, we may not have a dozen, like Russia, but one down South is plenty, as the recent news show.
Well, both articles refer as Donetsk as a Russian city, so what's the problem?
I think they said leaving Donetsk. The convoy was only 25 miles from the border earlier in the day, and Donetsk is only a few miles from the border. But who knows, this could be a fake headline to later say Ukrainian army repelled Russian invasion.
Globe and Mail and Fox had this:
CRIMEA: PUTIN STRIKES CONCILIATORY NOTE
"Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday Russia would stand up for itself but not at the cost of confrontation with the outside world, a conciliatory note after months of tough rhetoric over the crisis in Ukraine."
'Buy Ukrainian garlic, just don't get greedy like the Russians.' That'll keep the exuberance going for a while longer perhaps.
I was pointing out to the mouthbreathers and empire-minions how the two articles, which supposedly, and even according to ZH, corroborate each other, make the same geographic mistake. Therefore being clearly a plant by the same source.
There is actually a Russian town called Donetsk, just across the border from Lugansk. Considering that the western media aren't all that concerned with details, the confusion could easily be attributed to their ignorance and laziness.
morning headlines tonight Gold dumps Stocks pumps Silver slides and treasuries at -1 percent. a bank holiday is in effect come 5:00 pm all will be ok Santa is coming to town.
this Putin thing is unbelievable but he knows Obama is a pussy and will just do some blo tonight before he gives his wife a bj
Fisrt you should wait to something like a proof.
Cool photo - road,APC,day - and nothing at all - i can tell you this is a road to Washington, 10min, ahahha
Cause we got a little convoy
Rockin' through the night.
Yeah, we got a little convoy,
Ain't she a beautiful sight?
Come on and join our convoy
Ain't nothin' gonna get in our way.
We gonna roll this truckin' convoy
'Cross the U-Kraine.
Convoy!
By the time we got into Donetsk Town,
We had eighty-five trucks in all.
But they's a roadblock up on the cloverleaf,
And them Ukees was wall-to-wall.
Yeah, them smokies is thick as bugs on a bumper;
They even had a Ukee in the air!
I says, "Callin' all trucks, this here's The Vlad.
"We about to go a-huntin' Ukee."
[Chorus]
10-4 Good Buddy aka comrade
LOL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd5ZLJWQmss
Remember reports about 4 months ago to the effect that Kiev was planning a transfer reshuffling of population, sending people from the wast to the east. Well, now this. Sort of like a Invasion of the House Snatchers. Kiev's is really a spooky government.
Residents of Slavyansk have disappeared; the town is being re-populated with migrants from Western Ukraine
http://slavyangrad.org/2014/08/14/residents-of-slavyansk-have-disappeare...
Taken from Vineyardsaker
Old story. Ethnic cleansing. Force the ethnic Russians out with shelling, give the land to Ukrainian settlers.
Maybe we can send them some of Obama's Little Dreamers that the NWO is flooding into America?
Gaza settlements 2.0?
Better. No right of return to argue about with the former occupants buried in a mass grave.
Sadly, yes.
As I've been saying for a while, we are witnessing the rise of the Fourth Reich.
The patriot yankees who are agains Putin should understand that he is the only thing standing between US becoming Gaza. As soon as the Zionists suceed at breaking Russia, they will pull up the curtains in the US and you will see the wall at the back of the theatre.
We're all Palestinians now.
it's been tweeted so get up and fart your panty, bitch.
how queer is amerikan fanboy?
zhedge smells like zionist fanboy turd.
goodluck.
How can you not greenie someone who gets "tweeted, fart, panty, bitch, queer, fanboy turd" into a 23 word post?
The part of my brain that still thinks like a 13-year-old can't stop laughing at this.
Yes, indeed. Get up and fart your panty, bitch.
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...and while you're at it, pee your damn ass!
Anyone good at coming up with doomsday dates? Let's see...8/17/2014 is 8-8-7 using numerology, which is 31 days after the MH17 false flag...not enough 7's. 8/19/2014 is 8-1-7, and is 33 days after the last FF, which is a Masonic master number. 8/25/2014 is 8-7-7, but too long after the last event...I'm gonna say here, most likely date for the next BIG event is 8/19/2014. Are there any significant past events that happened on any of those dates? We all know the elite love their 'anniversaries'...
Anyone else wanna try this? It's kind of fun, yet very very sick at the same time...
7/7/77...too soon? but they do add up to 28 and then to 10 which is 1 which is significant...isn't it?
And "1" is "ON" (binary), which is a lot more recognizable to say "Bring it ON!" than to say "Bring it 1!"
We're code-hacking geniuses I tell you!
Eight six seven five three oh niiiine...
November time frame. Check the elite's calendar.
Well, if Obama's so desperate to have his own personal Iraq invasion 1000's of miles from the US , then he hardly has any justification for criticising Putin for intervening Russia's own borders.
Like telling a rape victim, "you had it coming bitch".
Er, really no. Not in the slightest.
But how can this be? ZH has told us for months now how the accusations of Russian involvement was nothing but lies from the "war mongering" Obama administration.
After all, RT said so.
"ZH has told us for months now how the accusations of Russian involvement was nothing but lies..."
Link?
You're going to be downvoted for saying that but you're right. Why ZH has such a pro-Russian slant is a mystery to me. Isn't it obvious to everyone that America and Russia are just warring superstates ala Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia? There is no "good government" in all of this. Even before Kiev was taken over by a CIA-led junta, it was still a terrible place to live ruled over by an autocrat.
I feel terrible for the people of Ukraine, as I feel terrible for the people of Iraq, and so many others in the world. There will be no peace for them now or even in the foreseeable future. The people who cheerlead either government are complete assholes who don't know what they're saying.
Russia's intelligence agencies may not be as destructive as America's, but if Russia gained the type of military and economic superiority America enjoys, it would convert into the same type of governance style and employ the same types of policies (both domestic and foreign) as America. Obviously. How anyone misses that is beyond me.
Thank you
No big deal.
It's just the grudging admiration for a team that plays are outstanding while the team you grew up loving is an embarrassing mess.
Meanwhile the home stadium seats are broken, the toilets are clogged and overflowing, the beer is warm, flat and way too expensive and the hot dogs are giving people the runs.
There's nothing else left for anyone to cheer for.
Well stated.
NO govt is safe or to be trusted. The more power a govt has the more ruthless it can be (and usually is): it has continual forces against it trying to either take over that power or to knock it down; it's all pretty predictable (hence why I say that the ONLY real change is to discourage positions of power from forming at all- this is, however, as all idealistic thoughts are, more likely to end up fantasy than reality).
Re: as all idealistic thoughts are, more likely to end up fantasy than reality
Especially when you watch normal peasants mouths drop when they see a high ranking member of management royalty enter the room. The worship of authority and power is a feature of most people's brains (probably the lucky happy people, too).
I will keep loving Putin until he leads the charge to reign in the mindless American beast being ridden by their insane zionist masters. After that Putins oligarchs will become a problem, but thats another story for another day. There will always be governments, controlled by oligarchs, with loads of sheeple bleating at them . There will always be some clusterfuck of morons thinking whatever, genes, God, or color, makes them a master race. Free minded men will always be a fragmented minority who have to hide from the slave system or dance between its raindrops. If that system becomes too unbalanced the degree of overt slavery will become unbearable and I don't relish running around in the streets with suffering bleating sheeple while the oligarch's government militia takes pot shots at me. So Putin is neccessary for balance. Balance reduces slavery because it needs some degree of freedom to create the wealth oligarchs and government need to finance their slave mechanisms. Do you think the mob of sheeple is due to come to an understanding of the mechanics of freedom anytime soon? Balanced slavery is all you get, so get with it and support Putin to put the brakes on this world slavery thing the sociopaths are trying to cook up. After America gets cut down a few notches and the zio's lose their favorite beast of burden, you can deal with Putin (and maybe the Chinese). It will still be ice cream slavery, just a different flavor, we can call it Baskin Robbins slavery.
Good post. The numbers of Putin lovers would be much less if the manly (R)etards were the ones swing the USA dick.
"Even before Kiev was taken over by a CIA-led junta, it was still a terrible place to live ruled over by an autocrat."
I travelled to Ukraine every other month from 2009 to the recent upheaval in Kiev. I know the place fairly well. I never had the sense that Ukraine was a "terrible place to live." Kiev, Odessa and Lvov are among the most agreeable cities in Europe. Yes, the corruption is bad, and it's the second poorest country in Europe, and the political class is from hunger -- but it's far from a terrible place ot live.
How would we know?
Sometimes the truth is in the middle somewhere.
Is it not possible that Russia hadn't been actively in Ukraine until now?
Of course Russia's been active in Ukraine until now. Didn't you hear, there's a war going on, and propaganda is part of it. No need to take it personal, just pick your side.
A while back I posted a link to a Russian soldier's Facebook post which had a picture.
Apparently the soldier was unaware of the geo-link feature on his phone which showed him IN UKRAINE.
I'm sure his commanders were not happy. The picture was removed.
Keep watching Fox News, i hear Judith Miller will have some insightful revelations this weekend, like the ones that got 4,000 US troops killed for no absolutely reason. when she was at the NY Times
I'm reading Zero Hedge.
The Wikpedia "Judith Miller" early life bio is predictable enough, as is the rest of her schtick.
How can this be?
Ask Burqua Bitch Nuland and the big eared war mongering horse-shit-in-chief hussein.
Also ask the big-eared-jihadist in chief about the "non-combat" boots on the ground in iraq. ask him how afghanistan is going, ditto for syria, lybia. might want to ask him where he parked malaysia's 777 - they might want it back. speaking of 777's ask your savior who in his administration gave the green light to shoot down malaysia's other 777.
after that, go ask the pig faced cliton where ambassador stevens is at and which ambassador is next in line to get murdered
But how can this be? Obozo has told us for months now how the accusations of american involvement was nothing but lies from the "war mongering" russian administration
After all, CNN said so.
will you ever have an original and intelligent thought or are you going to continue to vomit the fiction you hear on CNN?
I'm commenting on what I read HERE on Zerohedge.
Sometime in the last 5 months ZH changed ownership or management and began parroting RT propaganda during the US day time. When this change happened my ID was shit canned for pointing out the obvious bias. Later I was allowed to create a new ID, which is why my current one is "new".
I've been a reader for five years and am a huge fan of ZH economic stories.
The foreign policy stuff is another story.
This latest post seems to indicate they are once more going to present a more balanced approach (I hope).
This is the best de-escalation move there is. Kill the Nazis - problem solved! Kill the petro dollar and so many ugly wars will vanish over night. Kill the banksters and the world will quickly learn how to create things of real value. The wall street shitheads and all their pets can only understand the language of power. Saying all this, I'm not sure how accurate this information is, the guardian is a lying outlet of epic proportions and it is 100% Zionist and Russophobe.
If true, Putin is a moron playing into the hands of those who want war. The way ZH has been I'd have to have conformation from other sources. Sad
Sheriff Lyle Wallace aka Cottonmouth: You oughta be shot right where you're standing! So help me if I had a gun, I'd do it myself!
Rubber Vlad: That badge would make it alright, wouldn't it?
It risks increasing the risk of war, maybe there was going to be war no matter what, but it had to be done. Putin tried to be nice. Now they will do it the hard way.
Melissa: But they're all following you.
Rubber Vlad: [looks at Melissa then road] No, they ain't. I'm just in front of them.
Who doesn't like ice-cream?
Cue the DC US and Israeli hypocrisy machine.
An American, not US subject.
Did I say Donetsk? I meant outside Moscow...sorry...did I say military vehicles? sorry... I meant a bus...Did I say me? I meant I heard about the bus...Western press...out...and good night..
There's a very real humanitarian crisis in Eastern Ukraine involving hundreds of thousands of displaced people.
These military vehicles are most likely not for warfare, but for assisting in the distribution of food and supplies in areas where the infastructure has been badly damaged.
The west lost its chance to allow real humanitarian supplies in. Russia will now take in both humanitarian goods and military supplies. And so she should in view of the reluctance of Kiev to sit around a table rather than bomb people who it considers its people.
Red lines drawn with crayons can easily become red lines drawn with blood.
Kiev's rotten leadership would have been dumped without a second thought by the West had it not been a pawn in the West's ambitions to dominate and eliminate the Russian bear.
you expect me to believe this shit from this poxy mi5 outpost.
you expect me to believe that a jew has a name called roland olifunt roland for fuck sake.
isaac rosenbloom more like.
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