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"God Willing, We Will Raise The Flag Of Allah In The White House" - A Deeper Look Inside ISIS

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"God willing, we will raise the flag of Allah in the White House."

This is what an ISIS militant told the camera when we watched the first two parts of Vice News' groundbreaking inside look into the Islamic State's caliphate, which showed how, in part one, the highly organized Jihadist force came seemingly out of nowhere, and in an unprecedented landgrab in Iraq and Syria, succeeded in forming its own sovereign and religious state; in part two, reporter Medyan Dairieh, who spent three weeks in the Islamic State, looked at how ISIS indoctrinates children into fundamentalist ideology and took a stroll through an ISIS military parade proudly featuring confiscated (or is that gifted?) US vehicles.

And while we still don't know if ISIS is anywhere near close to making good on its threat to the American president's place of residence, here are the next two parts of Vice's 5-part "Islamic State" series.

In part 3, the VICE News crew observes how Sharia law is enforced in the capital Raqqa: it joins the "Hisbah", or the Sharia police on their daily patrols during Ramadan, and witnesses how they check on shops and scrutinize produce, while at the same time ensuring their strict rules on women’s appearances are adhered to. The crew then goes to an Islamic State prison and speaks with inmates accused of abusing drugs and selling alcohol. The prisoners’ punishments are revealed as well as how they have since “rediscovered” their devotion to the Islamic faith since their incarceration — but are yet to be granted permission to declare their allegiance to the caliph, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

 

In part 4 VICE News visits the Sharia courts where those accused of infractions are sentenced to harsh penalties, including death by crucifixion. But the courts don’t just handle crime. Citizens can bring all manners of complaints, including family disputes, and see the Islamic State’s form of justice doled out.

With unprecedented access, VICE News reporter Medyan Dairieh also visits the section of the court specifically set up for Christians, where the Islamic State discusses its treatment of minorities, and sees a former Armenian Catholic Church that has been converted into an Islamic center.

 

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Sun, 08/17/2014 - 09:37 | 5104704 fzrkid
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ISIS sounds like a great instrument to extend the war on terror.. How do you have a 'war' against a tactic?

 

One day out of the blue the lame stream media does a story on this militant group taking over parts of Iraq.. After a cloer look, we find much of their military equipment is from the USA.

 

Yes, what a great idea, support a group in Syria  which for the most part is a long lost story (funny how Assad and everything going on over there suddenly goes away) which in turn takes those arms and builds up a new group that attacks another country.

 

Until the sheeple of uhmarikah wake up and realize the gvt as created this hate towards muslims as a way to easily portray a never ending enemy nothing will change.

 

Remember people, Hitler did the same thing with the Jews and the people of Germany supported it.

 

Sure there are extremists, it is the same with any relegion.. You never hear of Atheists trying to exterminate a group based on who they think their creator is..

 

I am all for pretecting the USA, but I say that is better accomlished by protecting the borders. Its not like a militarized unit can easily cross 5000 miles of ocean without being noticed. Besides, your telling me that the GVT doesnt have something that makes google earth look like a kids toy where they can zoom in and see how many times you take a dump....!!!!...!!!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 09:39 | 5104708 GrinandBearit
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Ooooh I'm so scared -lol

Terrorism is a CIA funded operation.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 09:46 | 5104723 d edwards
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Isn't it interesting that the 0baMao regime has been really big on unseating mid-east leaders (Mubarak-Egypt, Ghadafi-Libya (murdered); Assad in Syria "must go"; Maliki-Iraq.

 

One of these times these crazy f-ers might return the favor. Karma is a bitch, ya know.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 09:43 | 5104717 Bill of Rights
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Bring your own flag pole so we can shove said flag pole right up your ass, cunt.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 09:46 | 5104721 tony wilson
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Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.

Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 09:47 | 5104725 loregnum
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Look out! Some hack group is now going to take over the U.S. That is I am sure the narrative that the morons in the U.S government will look to sell in order to take away any remianing freedoms of the sheeple along with the reason of more war spending.It was what was sold when they started the "war on terror" since evil AQ was going to take over the world...somehow.

Crazy people buy into this garbage.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 09:49 | 5104731 Who was that ma...
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Well, let's see, armed police patroling the streets and roadways randomly enforcing a plethora of draconian laws.  Check

Severe penalties for the use of drugs or engaging in sexual activity.  Check.

Treating women and minorities as second class citizens.  Check.

State confiscation of money from those who earn it to be given to those who do not.  Check.

Forced conversion to their form of government and their way of life, leaving death and destruction for those who do not comply.  Check.

A bloated and corrupt judicial system doling out draconian punishments for an ever increasing list of "crimes".  Check.

A powerful government waging war on individual freedom and liberty, "for its citizens own good".  Check

 

Yup.  Doesn't seem all that different from America.  At least, their "cops" fist-bump and say "peace brother" rather than just arrest or shoot you.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 09:54 | 5104736 tony wilson
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vice tv is run by jews

many of the film makers are kosher

isis never talks of israel does not have a position or an address or clearly any idea how to find tel aviv.

 

isis are the most evil things ever but they allowed thes vice guys to live allowed them in wid dere hd wide screen technologies.

those jewish vice guys need an emmy and a presdunt medal for valor.

gee the cia should hire them they sure nose how to get in and out and survive same in ukrainia they in all the mossad hotspots init

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:58 | 5106413 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Make sure you never discuss the words in the Koran. If you did all of the actions of IS are clear as to why and how you control new territory. None of their actions have not done before when Islam takes control of conquered lands. IS is just another moderate Islamic group.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:57 | 5106414 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Make sure you never discuss the words in the Koran. If you did all of the actions of IS are clear as to why and how you control new territory. None of their actions have not done before when Islam takes control of conquered lands. IS is just another moderate Islamic group.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 09:58 | 5104743 Duude
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Allah's flag was raised in the white house in 2009.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 09:58 | 5104745 blackbeardz
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ISIS is already in the whitehouse,

it's called the C I A

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 10:06 | 5104747 Rootin' for Putin
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Considering how the west love preemptive strikes etc etc i dont see why they just cant wipe out all muslims within their own boarders.  England is lost, as is much of europe.  America will fall because tptb will insist its not happening and prosecute anyone who says boo to a snackbar in the street.  Russia will hold out longest.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 10:04 | 5104759 knotjammin2
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God willing you will get your wish and once you get Obama out of the way then we come for you!!! ROTFLMAO

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 10:13 | 5104774 tuttisaluti
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travel ban for all muslims as a precaution. 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 10:19 | 5104787 giggler321
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Not much different; Remember prohibition?  I mean subsitution of god for law and you change the bed sheets for body armor - there u go, you've got most of today's societies down to a T.  Paying another tax for say Chtistian just hasn't been phased in yet.  Hell I get felt up by protectors of the people at airports and body scanned just because some Islamic dude with a flannel on his head decided to throw a few bombs around and I'm taxed for it.  Nothing different.

Notice how the people change to meet their new rulers desire?  I mean if they didn't run and hide they just accepted the new laws.  From observation it looks like it affects those in control more than those being controlled?  You can always say "thankgod" and cuddle the gun guy like the rest of them while those presently in control well, won't be.  It'll be sad day to give up alcohol...

Jokes aside, Does sharia law allow the use of underware?  I mean is that banned because michael jordan is gonna have to get a new job.

I've just figured out why they attacked Putin and Russia - They want Siberia.  Have you ever seen a Muslin dressed like that in -20c?  No, nor me.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 10:43 | 5104838 Everybodys All ...
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If someone were able to prove that the CIA is behind ISIS this is the type of thing that could bring down the presidency and ruin the country. So far all I see are accusations. Give me some real proof and I'll listen until then this is just a typical conspiracy. Where is the proof?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 16:15 | 5104842 Headspace
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a list near the end of the essay is worth pondering http://theological-geography.net/?p=7860

 

COPY and PASTED;

So we begin.

Every mosque in the USA — and the world — is a military installation. Every one is a war-fighting tactical operations center (TOC) and/or a regional or theatre war-fighting command and control center (C2). Every imam, mullah, ayatollah, muezzin, etc. is a military recruiter and/or commander in a chain of command or topping one. Every person in a mosque is an enemy combatant. Neither building nor member has a spiritual role or intent.

The religion of Islam is extinct since the early 20th Century. The religion of Christianity will be extinct by the middle of the 21st Century. The religion of Judaism is extinct since the 1st Century.

What passes for Islam, therefore, cannot be a religion. It is, rather, world-hegemonic ambition obtained and enforced by systematic sadism. What passes for Judaism or Christianity cannot be a religion either, but the posture of the adherents of those extinct religions is not belligerent whereas the posture of the adherents of the extinct religion of Islam is.

So how does this ogress, Caliphism, organize herself and operate in the US?

On 20 June 2014 she volunteered the answer in a tweet comprising a picture of the Caliphist flag in front of the White House and these words:

#AmessagefromISIStoUS
We are in your state
We are in your cities
We are in your streets

You are our goals anywhere

She enlists support — on pain of annihilation — from her ogre counterparts in the USA political parties, principally but not exclusively the Democratic Party and principally but not exclusively aging harridans and their warlocks.

She has attracted to her service capable combatant commanders between and inside a long list of countries. Those commanders’ military successes are multiplying exponentially since 20 January 2009, the day US military, diplomatic and financial stand-downs began as ordered by the multi-national and strongly Caliphist criminal conspiracy that overtook the administration of US federal power on that day.

Their successes attract volunteers to those commanders’ formations. More military successes, more sanguine volunteers. Everyone loves a winner and no one a loser. And there is the element of blood-lust, blood-thirstiness driving especially but not only younger females and males to become Caliphists.

The ogress comprises a multi-headed monster having one purpose: global hegemony by way of success at arms. She is an army. Actually, several armies operating in several theaters. So far she has not conducted army-scale combat operations inside the United States, but she has done or should be assumed to have done everything she needs to do in preparation for doing exactly that.

World-wide and inside the US, she controls most conditions of a successful military force:

dependable communications, to include finance

skilled, decentralized military, diplomatic and propaganda leadership

agile, adaptive and decentralized headquarters and headquarters staffs

huge numbers of willing, multi-sourced war-fighters

a complacent, centralized and unmindful enemy leadership

superb fifth column capabilities

mountains of stockpiled war materiel

deep experience — after years of inserting embeds — of local customs, conditions and communications

deep knowledge — through the embeds — of how rapidly to cause local, regional and national chaos at the flick of an order

high and growing numbers of dispersed, battle-trained/hardened individuals and formations

real armies conducting real battles as both combat operations and combat training

public civilian air, land and sea transport made to serve as private military air, land and sea transport or weapons systems

self-reinforcing resolve to maintain the posture of belligerence even in defeat and death

World-wide and inside the US, the condition of a successful military force the Caliphist monster does not control is industry. This deficiency affects her order of battle, placing acquisition of others’ military and industrial assets high on her list of objectives.

All this we see directly, observe through the several media or reason out by penetrating seeming imponderables.

Now, what should one expect the Caliphist ogress to have done and to do in the US in order to defeat the US and subject the nation to her maw?

Already she should have:

filled the minds of bureaucrats and politicians with thoughts of the beheading knife on one side and petrodollars on the other

mapped jails and prisons, planned their takeover with release of Caliphists and tasked mosques near those facilities to execute that mission upon command or general sense that the time is right

mapped stationary and movable military assets, planned their takeover and tasked mosques near those assets to execute that mission upon command or general sense that the time is right

warehoused in every mosque and related storage facility at least one rifle, one handgun and one shotgun for every member of the mosque sixteen years and older

warehoused at least a constant one thousand rounds for every rifle, handgun and shotgun warehoused

used existing or constructed above or under ground shooting ranges and compelled every mosque member sixteen years and older to become a marksman

subsidized at least one male member, sixteen years or older, of every mosque member family to undergo a minimum two-year military training in one or more of the Caliphist armies conducting active operations

identified, preferably but not only near human habitations, ignitable flora that will conflagrate rapidly, developed plans to ignite them and tasked mosques near those conditions to execute that mission upon command or general sense that the time is right

mapped the US electrical grid, designated key nodes to be destroyed, and how, and tasked mosques near those nodes to execute that mission upon command or general sense that the time is right

mapped the back-up power system of hospitals and police stations, developed plans to destroy them and tasked mosques near those hospitals and police stations to execute that mission upon command or general sense that the time is right

mapped the back-up power system of municipal, county, state and federal buildings, especially those housing IT assets and aviation, law enforcement and civilian regulating personnel, developed plans to destroy them and tasked mosques near those buildings to execute that mission upon command or general sense that the time is right

mapped ground transportation infrastructure — road and rail — the destruction of which would cause maximum rapid collapse of ground communications, especially for foodstuffs, heavy equipment and petrochemicals, developed plans to destroy them and tasked mosques near those infrastructures to execute that mission upon command or general sense that the time is right

mapped media headquarters facilities and personnel, developed plans to destroy them and tasked mosques near those facilities and personnel to execute that mission upon command or general sense that the time is right

mapped internet server farms and trunk lines, developed plans to destroy them and tasked mosques near those farms and trunk lines to execute that mission upon command or general sense that the time is right

identified potential mass execution-burial sites for federal, state, county and municipal bureaucrats and politicians, lawyers, medical doctors, teachers, artists, journalists, writers, Jews, Christians, Copts, Atheists, Mormons, Wiccans, Hindus, Buddhists and Baha’is, designated infrastructure to transport those individuals to those sites and tasked mosques near those sites and infrastructure to execute that mission upon command or general sense that the time is right

made plans to compel food growers, distributors and retailers to remain in operation for Caliphist-approved commodities and tasked mosques near those operators to execute that mission upon command or general sense that the time is right

made plans to destroy churches, synagogues, temples, meeting halls, prayer houses, colleges, monasteries, universities, wine vineyards, distilleries, brewmasters and libraries together with their contents and personnel and tasked mosques near those institutions to execute that mission upon command or general sense that the time is right

And when the time is right she must:

execute plans already prepared pretty much in the order shown above, excepting that take over of US military assets would most easily proceed following general destruction of communications infrastructure

allow to disseminate only news of her triumphs

be hyper-ruthless and unthinkably savage

release Caliphists from jails and prisons and kill others there

overtake US military facilities to take over US military assets, including the five national military academies

overtake and take over precious metals stockpiles in US vaults

replace US banking system with a Caliphist one

denounce and replace US institutions, laws and treaties with Caliphist ones

annihilate voluntary organizations, seize their properties and kill their personnel

offer the rich and affluent to hand over their property or their lives

Were I a Caliphist, I would argue for that order of battle. If I have performed my duty — to see, to reason and to report — that it already is.

Were I an American, and I am, and were I responsible for the conduct of the nation’s affairs, and I am not, I would take the foregoing assay of Caliphists’ US order of battle as a prime factor for developing my own order of battle and correlating missions against the Caliphist monster.

Domestically, I think the central concept and goal of my order of battle and correlating missions would be, preempt. Hard, fast and total preempt. And I would give the order to execute those missions because the time is right to do just that.

Multi-nationally, I think the central concept and goal of my order of battle and correlating missions would be, annihilate. I would apply overwhelming military, diplomatic and financial power against ISIS and her supporting nation states, including Saud, in a manner to be determined by my military, diplomatic (for diplomatic, not military, combat) and financial (for financial, not military, combat) advisers, who would concur with me in the foregoing assay of the Caliphists’ nature and order of battle, domestic and multi-national. And I would give the order to execute those missions because the time is right to do just that.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:16 | 5106283 BlussMann
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I think "synagogue" and "zionism" would fit better in this article.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:24 | 5104936 sandiegoman
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"Truth" as if there is a single truth.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:29 | 5105115 vyeung
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ok ISIS, you can tell your bosses in DC/Langley we get the drift of a false flag.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:31 | 5105126 vyeung
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Just remember 911 people, they are simply using the same script with different actors. How dumb do we have to be to fall for it again and again. Clearly ISIS is a DC/Langley/London faction and doing their dirty work. Just like the knife cutters in the 911 plot (which is BS through and through). Wake the fark up NATION!!!!!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:36 | 5105142 Elliptico
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Can you guys stop off at Wall Street first?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:07 | 5105251 Your Creator
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All religions are written by mere mortal men.  They all got it wrong.  There is a creator but not who they think it is.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:27 | 5105355 Jackagain
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All religions say do...God says done. Isa. 53:11

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:14 | 5105285 SilverRoofer
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As long as we have the 2nd admenfment  our republic is armed not a bunch of shepperds to push around that is why our own government wants to change that as well

 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:19 | 5105312 sidiji
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time to formally annex Iraq as 51st state, use it as a penal colony for dumbass rioters and subversive zh'ers,,,multiple problems solved

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:28 | 5105358 novictim
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Anyone watching Sunday news shows? 

Notice that they still talk about how "we" should have supported the Syrian opposition more earlier on...hahaha.  They still can't connect the dots that the opposition in Syria is ISIS!

Notice they still talk about Assad and the Syrian Government being the enemy? 

I ask you all to loudly point out the contraditions here.  Sleepy headed Americans take in this talk talk and have no idea how inane the propaganda message turns out to be.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:29 | 5105360 novictim
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"We are all Assad now!" - 2015 slogan.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:32 | 5105371 Jackagain
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I think ISIS may be surprised to see several already in Obama's closet....

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:40 | 5105412 Downtoolong
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It’s shocking, watching these IS enforcers go around smiling and telling citizens what to do while sporting guns.

But, ask yourself, is it really that much different than this story involving the “Morality Police” in Saudi Arabia?

http://news.msn.com/world/lashes-for-saudi-woman-who-called-morality-police-liars-newspaper

Is it really all that much different than cops patrolling the streets and incarcerating malevolent people to enforce the law in any major city in the USA; where, by the way, we also execute serious criminals too?

It seems to me the most serious problem here is that a small group within a society have become immune to challenges, checks, or balances by others (psst, like the Fed) and gets to make and interpret the rules regardless of what others believe or think is right or fair (like the Fed does) and decide what punishment will be administered for breaking those rules. That when things get ugly fast (right Janet).

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:54 | 5105462 FreedomGuy
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You know, I had the exact same thought, sans Arabia. I carry a radar detector with me because I drive all day through urban areas. There are just too many cops out there waiting to "help" us in a more perfect understanding of the law. All their "help" comes with a fee paid to the local authorities. If you protest it, the fees (and points) are bigger. The message is "don't fight it". The whole "Serve and Protect" thing becomes rather cynical.

So, every time I see someone pulled over I remind myself that the guys in uniform are helping a fellow citizen and doing good for all of us. Thankfully, no lashes are involved, yet.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:26 | 5105583 yrbmegr
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Cops.  Tea Party Patriots.  Morality Police.  ISIS.  Ku Klux Klan.  End free association game.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:08 | 5105513 yogibear
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"We Will Raise The Flag Of Allah In The White House" 

Sorry, you clowns are a bit slow, Obama already beat you to it.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 15:08 | 5105700 tony wilson
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really isis in der whitehouse you dumb as a box a rocks.

AIPAC - THIS IS WHAT TREASON LOOKS LIKE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBpft6pQClY

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 16:04 | 5105877 JR
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“It is more than a lie [if you say you are loyal to both America and a foreign government]. What we need to stand up and say is not only did they [Israel] attack the USS Liberty, they did 9/11… They did it. I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts with the Army War College and the headquarters, Marine Corps, and I’ve made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period.” Dr. Alan Sabrosky, US Army War College Retired, video.

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts cuts through the chaff:

"Anytime you see a person attacked by the Israel Lobby, you know for certain that the person under attack is the salt of the earth. The distinctive mark of a moral human being is to be attacked by the Israel Lobby and the presstitute American media."

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:18 | 5105561 yrbmegr
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At what point will they conclude that Allah is NOT willing?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:24 | 5105575 yrbmegr
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Sorry.  God.  At what point will they conclude that God is NOT willing?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:43 | 5105640 tony bonn
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isis = mossad = cia.

isis is a creation of mossad - it is led by the ex- and current mossad murderers....isis' desire to destroy the usa is israel's desire. israel is the number one terrorist state in the world....it is a colony of the satan worshipping rothschilds..

all of you stupid fucks who think isis/isil etc are arab terrorists are the very reason we have spent trillions in iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, syria, ukraine and elsewhere murdering and torturing people....

isis is the harbinger of 9/11 2.0....the bush crime syndicate and rockefeller nazis have carefully created a new scapegoat and the stupid fuck american (99%) have bought it hook line and sinker...

israel is a murdering, genocidal, butchering creation of satan.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 15:11 | 5105688 tony wilson
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leave it tony

come away now

this is china town

or should i say nsa adl  aipac town

 

these forum white niggers talk trash about dem black niggers  all day .

day so medicated day donte even notice der rabbi cock rammed up dere sorry ass

cannot feel it movin in and out donte notice der kosher poison drippin down betwixt dere legs

 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:18 | 5106295 Who was that ma...
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Okay Tony, put the matzo ball and the Manischewitz down s-l-o-w-l-y, and back away from the buffet table.  I think you've had enough.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:10 | 5106277 Who was that ma...
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Allah is a false God, Muhammed wore diapers, a dress, and he liked young boys and sheep.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:15 | 5107844 dreadnaught
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a certain right wing talk-show Christian preacher was arrested last week for liking the SAME EXACT THINGS!   

 

hate to tell you this, but seeing the above comments of yours=i think GOD would rather distance himself from you

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:13 | 5107993 Who was that ma...
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That's God's problem, not mine Bro.  I speak truth and I think you know it.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 19:43 | 5106515 Quaderratic Probing
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This is why separation of church and state was put in place in America. Nut jobs who think they speak for God should never gain power.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:51 | 5107006 Sauerkraut-Opinion
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It must be tough to be judged by a hord of fanatic morons...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:11 | 5107836 dreadnaught
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really, ISIS is a bastion full of CIA operatives, why should they not want to raise thier flag here in the US? They are OUR boys after all.....just sayin'

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