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Ferguson Riots Again: Police, Looters Exchange Teargas , Rubber Bullets, Molotov Cocktails: Live Webcast
UPDATE: Shots fired...
"I've got shots fired on the street," per Captain Todd of St. Charles County #Ferguson
— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) August 18, 2014
After more than a week of violent confrontations, tensions continues in Ferguson (following the death of Mike Brown - shot at least 6 times, twice in the head). The second night of quasi-martial-law in the Missouri town has once again erupted into riots (the third night in a row) as militarized police response just hours ahead of the midnight curfew. Protesters have looted stores and restaurants (including a McDonalds) and the once again heavily-armed police forces have responded in force with tear-gas and rubber bullets (to which protesters are responding with Molotov cocktails and returning gas canisters). This shows no signs of de-escalation at all as crowds chant "who polices the cops?" CNN reports at least one protester hit by rubber bullets and multiple injuries. Multiple gun shots heard - police: "leave or be arrested."
The police tactical response was triggered, according to a Lieutenant with St Louis city PD, by an attack on the command post with Molotov cocktails...
INCREDIBLE PHOTO: Guy just threw back a gas grenade, got a round of applause in Ferguson. Via @jonswaine pic.twitter.com/MYkxrEfhPk
— PzFeed Top News (@PzFeed) August 18, 2014
@OpFerguson right now in #Ferguson #MikeBrown #HandsUpDontShoot pic.twitter.com/M3bF3f019d
— Jarrett Abello (@jarrettabello) August 18, 2014
Live Feed 1:
Live Feed 2:
The images are once again stunning...
They just looted the McDonalds by me! #Ferguson pic.twitter.com/wg6H1nTA1Y
— The Tech CEO (@TheTechCEO) August 18, 2014
BREAKING: Police deploy teargas against #Ferguson protesters http://t.co/fWcQw0k2O0 pic.twitter.com/PUUdsaZ1GX
— RT (@RT_com) August 18, 2014
Police throwing more tear gas and advancing toward protestors https://t.co/EDoniIonKi
— Yamiche Alcindor (@Yamiche) August 18, 2014
Guys working there way back out of the fog. #Ferguson pic.twitter.com/Und25g00kQ
— Jon Swaine (@jonswaine) August 18, 2014
DEVELOPING: Police convoy with armored vehicles, officers on foot advancing on demonstrators in Ferguson - @TVMarci pic.twitter.com/upX5l8zL0A
— ABC News (@ABC) August 18, 2014
Happening now in #Ferguson pic.twitter.com/TNTcQ4lF2d
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 18, 2014
Escape from Ferguson...
Getting out of the area #Furguson pic.twitter.com/akzBor6Vbx
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 18, 2014
The scene in #Ferguson right now is unreal. pic.twitter.com/HTUUBdGhnM
— Complex (@ComplexMag) August 18, 2014
As The NY Times reports, the autopsy is quite damning...
Michael Brown, the unarmed black teenager who was killed by a police officer, sparking protests around the nation, was shot at least six times, including twice in the head, a preliminary private autopsy performed on Sunday found.
One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.
Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.
The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body. However, that determination could change if it turns out that there is gunshot residue on Mr. Brown’s clothing, to which Dr. Baden did not have access.
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Two examples of police response so far...
"Get the fuck out of here"
and "you're getting mace next time you pass us"
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McDs should have several Ronald McDonald Clowns stand in front with ARs ... that would be pretty funny. It's a tad ironic, the CEO of McDonalds is one of the most successful blacks in Merika; hard work pays off.
But I tell you, Looting the only remaining FF joints in town is pure stupid; "dumber then a bag of hammers" as my friend calls it.
It's ALMOST like they were planted there, isn't it?
But that would never ever happen. Ever. Not our government.
Good for that BBQ place though,
Be careful with the McRibs. I hear there might be some lead between them.
...the bastard love child of a Jew attorney and a goy prostitute?
Al Jazeera has a good live feed and commentary. They interviewed Earl Hutchinson from LA. Now they have switched to Mosul just as Ferguson turned hot with tear gas flying and M-16 pointed at people.
Ferguson beer summit should do the trick.
Having the Golfer-in-Chief back should slow things down.
Ya think?
Head Looter Hank Paulson gets $850 billion and the public gets a boot to the face.
John Paulson is the head looter and Hank is just a mid level looter.
How can I capitalize on this nightly show? I may sell ads for Newports, Colt 45 Malt Liquor, and Bombay!
Paulson has nothing on Corzine or the master Bernanke and his predecessor Greenspan.
And one for Jenny and the wimp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5kGUW6M7W0
Regards,
Cooter
+1 for Boot to the Head reference.
What's the right answer? It's easy to lump the looters and rioters together and aruge they need a beat down but it's also easy to say "fuq da police." And, yeah, blame the Fed somewhere in there. But seriously, what woudl you arm-chair strategists actually do in this situation if you were in charge of police forces?
If cops were actually ARRESTED AND CONVICTED like normal folks every time they commit crimes, we wouldnt be here today.
That's what happens when society allows a deadly runaway train to run away in the first place.
How many more people should be locked up?
If I put 6 slugs into a black teenager, I doubt I would be outside free. Even if he was a "gentle giant".
Why has the cop not been arrested and incarcerated until the whole thing is sorted out? Anyone else would be.
Resign.
Let'em kill each other, force the insurance to pay out to anyone with a claim (no weaseling out, you know they're gonna try), but only if they move out of state.
After they're all dead or gone, plow it under, and build a mall.
I would fire half of the force immediately, since it was doubled after 9-11 and those extra police are just writing $300 tickets for driving 5 mph over the speed limit. In addition to returning this massive amount of salary and pension funds back to the public, I would also return all MRAPs to the Pentagon. Finally, intense training and team-building so that we are committed to address riot situations if they occur. We don't run away, and I lead from the front line. How is that for starters?
How long before Obama says "if I had a son" yet again?
maybe it will just be a brother from a nuther mother
Ferguson's off of my bucket list.
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I got ya militarized police right here......
a "hands up" would have been funnier.
Overreacted to rioting, looting, bvurning, assault or even murder? Yeah, they should just stay home and let people like you become victims. I really urge any police near yoo to ingore any cries for help.
Or how about this..........
You actually defend your own property and quit being a scared little shivering Chihuahua all of your life.
Contrary to popular belief, we don't need bands of militarized, roided up douchebags roving the streets with tanks telling a suposedly "free" people they have to go home by some arbitrary hour that they've pulled out of their asses, ready to mace anyone who even gives them an odd look.
Half way decent, friendly people outnumber the assholes in the world 100 to 1 and that's pretty much all we need..................... assuming we're not a bunch of pussies.
The police are not there to protect you, so you must protect yourself. Protect yourself or forever be a bitch. Bitch.
Let's stay focused here.
The police probably should not have shot "the dude" which caused all this crap. If ZH is correct, 8 rounds is a full unload for most handguns if not a RE-load for others (this is allowing for a miss or three given the grouping). Maybe something comes out and this is warranted, but I suspect that won't be the case.
Wholesale destruction of private property ... aka rioting ... should be shoot on sight. Seriously. If folks want to peacefully protest, go right ahead. During the day is good. And not while your carting out hundreds, or thousands, of dollars of goods from businesses.
PoundHashishFerguson is an advertisement to the free shit army everywhere they can steal all they just so long as some guy got shot that shouldn't' have (or something approximate).
The police don't need all this war gear; this is the wrong way to go about the problem. There is a national guard for those problems and elected reps can send them in muy pronto should it be required.
Police, like teachers, used to be noble, but unfortunately these days are more policy tools.
It feels that everyone is intentionally focusing on the worst of everything.
Regards,
Cooter
That's a lot of head shots !
dem rabbis from vice tv sure do get around un alls
one minute in ukrainia
next on an iraqi mountain
now in fergusun
anyone would tink day was mossad or cia init
day sure frame a good scenario eye says
Seriously where the hell did Vice come from? Suddenly they're everywhere, more than most major news organizations. Much grittier too. There must be some serious coin backing them.
Vice is great. I'm listening to this black woman's personal take on events.
yer day make a nice hd big sensor picture rock n roller just perfick for hipsters like youse i bets you think bono is cool for all his charity work and cool songs about fuckin nuttin.
vice yes sir mossad cia not square kind a like a rabbis saturn black cube wid rougher edges
doin satans work but a post modern tavistock way same old same old just more subtles wid der n l p
I don't care for Bono. Vice is better than CNN at least. Vice is talking to people on the ground. The police gave a resident a jaywalking ticket even though there are no sidewalks.
only a moron or a jewish person would trust anything rupert murdoch has money in heard of fox pilgrim.
you need workin on if your a goy boy
I have a bit of curly hair. I think my great grandfather was Jewish. I also like pastrami on rye. It's my first day listening to Vice.
I bet Vice is a Soros operation. Total shit. Al Jezzera is the Qataris who are shit as well. About the only decent soruce is RT.
brought into the matrix and compromised. check out their coverage on ukraine ~ it's what they leave out that is most interesting.
The Young Turks, also, formerly a seeming foil to the MSM facile State Department-received narratives, is more or less another "hipper" version of ABC news.
Funded by Bill Maher, sellout elitist corporate shill in chief of the fake liberal wing of the democratic party.
Khazar Zios
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/rupert-murdoch-buys-into-a...
Wow. Looks like he got strafed by a hail of bullets at pretty close range, just like that malaysian airliner by those ukraine fighters
Bullet to the TOP of the skull? Gee I wonder why there's such widespread distrust of police officers.
I'd be interested to see your shot pattern in a panic. I love the assumption that he had his pistol set on a bench rest taking measured and precision aim at each shot. It is much more likely he simply started firing and didn't stop until the guy stopped coming at him and given that all the shots were from the front, it kind of supports the cops claims that he was being charged at. Maybe the cops should carry single shot Thompson contenders to give the other guy a fair chance. how about that five shot clip law as it would have likely saved this guys life. Not my idea but just saying.
The spray of Brown's brains were right where his head was on ground. He was shot in the head, either on, or very near the ground. Something's not right with any "self-defense" argument no matter how you slice it.
You're carrying a gun and you panic around un-armed guys?
Sure, a 290lb man crazily charging at me while knowing I have a gun wouldn't worry me in the least. You recon this cop has ever had to shoot anyone before? Have you? Do you KNOW how you would react. The cop wasn't out looking to loot and rob. It is hois job to carry a weapon and question people he may suspect of a crime. We don't know what happened, but it displays total bias to assume the cop is simply an out of control murderer and the victim was simply demonstrating his constitutional rights to challenge authority. Cops are murdered regularly. There are two sides.
Of course there is no evidence that he was charging anyone.
Actually there is pretty convincing audio describing what he did. But that would go against the wee little teenager's character. The facts are always gonna get buried because this is a made for TV late summer ratings bonanza.
I am a permit holder. I have a little bit of training, obviously not cop or soldier training. I know, as a female, I have been told to keep shooting until the threat is annihilated. There is the business of proportional response. If the big guy was after me, you guys would let me shoot him 6 times and let me get away with it.
If cops had a history of behaving well and not being militarized, this shooting might be "read" differently.
I think our cop was afraid and spazzed.
I am not sure what should happen next if this is the case, I would need to know the law. It is clear he felt threatened.
I have other shit to start.
I have not read (though someone may be talking about this, I just have not seen it) but there is something glaring at me no one is addressing: The TV cameras.
These folks may not be protesting as much or as loud if the cameras were not there. I am not saying they should not be there, but I think there is a symbiosis driving this thing. Some of these protesters are getting 15 minutes of fame and don't want to give it up. I imagine meetings off camera where they talk about what they will do for the camera, next.
Just sayin'.
" It is his job to carry a weapon and question people he may suspect of a crime."
Yes it is. So he damn well better know how to handle himself better than you and I.
Yes. RoboCop. Not human. No mistakes.
When a thing has a low statistical probability over time, the larger the time line grows, the greater the probability.
Evolution may be slow, but when the millions of years pile up the little changes compound. Overnight, it seems, a new creature appears. Society is not immune from evolution's power of change. Revolutions are part of the process of evolution in societies.
With each round of metamorphosis new results become possible, nay even probable. At some point in the evolution of society the congregational body begins to recognize the cancer of .gov. As development continues, the fittest develop antibodies against this cancer. Note how the white blood cells of the US society were triggered to swarm to Bundy's defense. Societies are developing immune systems all over the globe. These immune systems are learning to attack societal parasites (sociopaths). These parasitic s have historically drained the life blood of every society in human. Commonly they self promote and replicate unchecked as .govs. Their drain on societies ends parabolicly.
Those with governmental tendencies always turn cancerous and kill their host. If mankind is to survive over the long haul, mankind must develop total immunity to governments. Mankind must learn to recognize, attack, and expel any individual humans, or small gathering of humans, which try to express the cancerous gene of government.
Sounds like destroying the government to save the government to me. 'Recognise, attack, expel, individuals, small gatherings, cancer'? You like to drive MRAPs or something?
reading and comprehension is not ur strong suite. stick with twitter, until they release the new site TWIT. Limited to 3 words or less.
Evolution is a lie.
We do not evolve.
We devolve.
Dupe. Delete.
They accomplish nothing by looting. It only justifies the police presence. Clowns. They are shooting themselves in the foot.
I know, fucking Ronald McDonald and his tofu/cow hybrids are right looting the world.
...and this will spill over into other communities and cities.
Without mickey D's, where is everybody going to eat? Now you have a real food desert.
"Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front."
So, not running away, as earlier "eyewitness" reports said.
Just sayin ;-)
One eyewitness said he was running, then got shot, and he stopped and turned around
Same coroner also validates birth certificates.
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/15/6007155/did-this-ferguson-resident-live-twe...
This guy says the cops shot twice while brown was running he turned around and then they gunned him down.
We all see what we want to see.
If true, then did the cop fire warning shots or simply miss because there were no shots to the back.
I didn't think cops fired warning shots.
I actually believe this tweeter- Bruh. Sounds genuine. Timestamps and pics.
But people after the fact will lean the way they do.
Sure looks like a linear grouping to me. Up the arm to the head. Rapid fire lower left up to the right. Its hard to imagine them as random in that configuration. But I have no idea. I wasn't there. You?
I have an idea. Same as you. But I'm more interested in what the solution! is going to be.
We'll both be present for that one.
Didn't downding you btw.
Consistant however with standing in the street with hands raised. Wonder how long it took in seconds from the first shot to the last - perhaps he put up an arm against the bullets - what calibre are they ? and lowered his head.
Good aim or a telescopic sight on an assault rifle. Pistol ? Don't think so.
Of course, had it been in NYC, Brown would be alive today - cops there don't aim near as well.
One of the pics in the link I posted above shows a cop with an AR.
https://twitter.com/TheePharoah/status/498185574713290752/photo/1
I noticed that too. I am not sure how you can determine the relative entry angle on an arm since it is so flexible.
There were multiple witnesses that claimed to have seen him hit from behind. It wasn't a torso shot but could he have hit him from behind in the arm? I don't know and want more detail.
The primary witness was his buddy at the store. I would think it would be kind of smart to direct the attention elsewhere.
Not the most reliable source.
"The primary witness was his buddy at the store."
Thats the way I understand it too.
thinking dead mike got his arm shot up
as he reached in to the car and wrestled with the cops gun
the other 4 shots were after cop got out of the car
and ordered dead mike to the ground ,when dead mike refused
to get on the ground , cop turned loose with 4 shots at the head
that's how my intuition tells me it went down....
well now, if he was running away with his hands up then the front of his arms would be aligned with his back.
Yes we can!
Where is the Greek Riot Dog; needed now in Ferguson.
Who's gonna take one tonight for Team Molotov?
Burn baby burn! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbFgH0mHw3w
Looting McDs? Im loving it!
Hey bitchez.....riddle me this.
How come white guys, teabaggers, repubs, etc. are always called the "angry ones" when clearly....others have some seriously far fucking greater anger issues?
Aside from that...Obama really has to get his base in line. This shit is getting out of hand.
Who calls them the Angry Ones?
The thinktanks that invented the meme. The same ones who suggested it was time for Chase Bank to put 1.75" bulletproof glass in front of all their tellers in every city in Kalifornia. They did it over one weekend in 2010.
The ones for whom Amerika is a great big Gaza.
Might need to change the motto for Ferguson from "Proud Past. Promising Future."
The cop was either an extraordinary shot or at pretty close range to have that grouping. The last report I read was that two separate witnesses reported that the victim was basically charging head on at the officer. Given the size of this guy and his obvious aggressive attitude I can see why the cop let it rip, even if it was the wrong thing to do. This is why so many are against private citizens owning and carrying guns. The fear that those armed will over react if they feel threatened. This is far from a clear cut case and there is plenty of room for debate, something that most with preconceived notions are not particularly interested in. A wrongful shooting should be prosecuted but only after all the evidence is in. Most are not interested in the slow wheels of justice because it may not yield the desired result.
"The fear that those armed will over react if they feel threatened."
You nailed it - that's the Feinstein and the other California Nanny Fascists' argument to a T.
I dislike a lot of drivers but don't take my car away because some others can't handle it.
Apparently its just not safe out there if any of us have a gun, even the cops....you know the ones we are supposed to call that will get there in minutes...when seconds count. The whole thing is bullshit. Justice should be demanded for ALL the perps, police and citizens alike. Instead we would rather have linchings as it is sooo much more satisfying. Lots of hate for government, from Obama down to county clerk. Some is justified, but hate is not about justice, its about retribution.
@oldwood "two separate witnesses reported that the victim was basically charging head on at the officer. Given the size of this guy and his obvious aggressive attitude I can see why the cop let it rip, even if it was the wrong thing to do."
You had me until, even if it was the wrong to do. If the Boar is charging you, he is not coming to say hello and shake your hand. DROP THE BASTARD! "IF" That is the "CASE", we will find out when the investigation is done. Till then all the retards destroying their cage are just shitting in their own house.
Do you carry a fire arm day to day? If you do, you probally have the same fear that I do, I fear that I still may react to slow because I may be to cautious to pull the trigger.
My point was that we don't know if the cop had reasonable alternatives to shooting, at least lethally. We should judge the evidence. But we make cops carry a gun and make them go to places we likely would not go voluntarily, so it does seem a bit unfair to condemn them for their actions without a fair review. This is the type of thing that has reduced the effectiveness of our military where we put them in harms way and then want to second guess everything they do. This is just fucked up.
an extraordinary shot or at pretty close range to have that grouping.
What grouping was that?
Do you think he was standing like he's pictured in the drawing, or might he have had his arm up to protect his face?
First of all I'm assuming he was using a pistol. Secondly as a person who spends some time at the range, when practicing, especially in a rapid fire manner not taking time for an accurate aim, I will acquire my target incrementally, moving each shot towards my ultimate target. Especially on my first round, if its been a while my first shots will be a little wide, but quickly home in. This is what I'm basing my assumption on. And just as an observation from most shootout scenes, cops traditionally don't demonstrate great marksmanship. Most seem to have to be forced to spend time on range.
So many cops abuse their authority. We all wish some cops would arrest some banksters. They have brought this doubt on themselves. With that said, it is clear many folks on here do not have gun training. If they did many of these conversations I see you having with folks would not be possible or needed. What I am suggesting is that you need to "Forgive them for they know not what they do." They don't shoot, they don't get it, they are afraid. I know, I used to be ignorant and afraid too. I was scared to hold an unloaded gun. I wish everyone was required in school to have gun training. The world would be a different (better) place. More respect. I know my training did a lot more for me than just teach me to shoot. I need more.
All authority is abused and we all need more training in self defense, especially cops. I think many are simply glorified meter maids put on the streets to "defend and protect", when likely they have never had an actual armed conflict with anyone that wasn't theoretical. Even so reality usually hits us in the face regardless of our plans.
When was the last time a cop discharged his firearm and was convicted? If that happened even one in twenty times it would be different, we could give the benefit of the doubt (this case seems like it may be legit) but unfortunately we've got the fox watching the other foxes guard the henhouse.
Surprised the drone isn't shot down. A high powered rifle can shoot out the spotlight.
Well, the autopsy certainly doesn't support the version of events the apologists for the police adhered to [edit: or the shot while running away story apologists for the victim supported before the facts were in]. What next?
No one is weeping for Ibragim Todashev...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibragim_Todashev
And no one is troubled, it seems, that the FBI quite plainly executed the guy, then lied, repeatedly about the details, and neither MA state trooper present was willing to do the honorable thing and "rat" on the agent who murdered him in cold blood.
Zero doubt, in that case, that a civilian was assassinated. But he had a weird last name and, eegads was a Muslim, at least nominally, to boot - so who gives a fuck, I guess.
But here, the mighty NYT remembers its role as defender of the little guy, a voice which cries out from its tower for justice, excepting, of course, with regard to Palestine, but still... this cop will have to be thrown under the bus.
.Gov can't be seen to be mowing down protesting/rioting/looting blacks. Salon and HuffPo would remind us all that .gov lacked the decency to kill all those right wing cowboys at the Bundy Ranch, even as they had worked so very hard to paint the man as a bigot, hence, outside the protection of the Coming Law.
No, this is too racial. MLK's fat, sweaty kid is in the mix, and while not an orator or deep thinker, he's a decent, reasonable man. Kid gloves...
Then again... how hard will it be, with a compliant media, to paint those who defy the curfew as "trouble-makers" and looters and so...outside the protection of the Current Law?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nghqjBwZTiE
Obama doesn't care about iraq or the economy.
But he does care if hundreds of blacks are rioting and looting during his presidency due to poverty.
The whole world is watching. Even Khamenei tweeted about those today.
I find it hard to believe that hundreds and probably 1000s of people go out 3 nights in row looting and rioting without some kind of leadership
Hundreds get shot by police in USA annually? Why is this specific one getting national and international headlines in 3 days?
"I find it hard to believe that hundreds and probably 1000s of people go out 3 nights in row looting and rioting without some kind of leadership"
Yup, Sharpton and Jackson are there.
Instigating for profit.
These internationally broadcast riots harm Obama's image, particularly within USA. These are shattering images and videos.
I don't see Sharpton wanting to do that.
There's no love lost between Sharpton and Obama.
SHOTS FIRED AT POLICE IN FERGUSON.
Shit just hit the fan.
Those must've been from O'BOLA's AND HOLSTER's hand-picked "community disorganizers", sent in from Chicago to further polarize national racial division and hatred.
Cointelpro Lives! Awesome. I was afraid I had missed it.
lomao500
quote your source
Just what I needed with my morning coffee...
going to be an interesting day...
When some cop gets his jollies off of mowing down people with a machine gun that will be the end of law and order. That will be it. People are already on edge with all the Wall Street legal looting and the criminal bailouts.
Ok now enough is enough. The people have had enough time to make a point. The cries for "no justice, no peace" are a canard. I say this because America's justice system does not happen instantaneously. Rioting in the name of the lack of justice is a false narrative at this point. The justice system has not had time to fail. Be mad that an unarmed guy went down in a hail of bullets but do not confuse the issues.
The current reaction is not doing anything to ensure justice is served. True justice involves revealing the absolute truth, then meting out the apropritate punishment that fits the crime. That process hasn't even began and to carry out riots and cause general mayhem in the name of Mike Brown is premature, flawed and intellectually dishonest until the justice system proves do be flawed and wrong.
I am on record many times on this website stating my jaundiced view of the Authority but in an intellectually honest world (which we do not enjoy for the most part) the process must be allowed to run its course before reactions to the justice or lack thereof can be rationalized.
This is not a 'rational' situation. This has become a battle cry for the left to energize their base for the elections. The folks making trouble there now are the typical losers from a neighborhood and imported hoodlums.
Let no crisis go to waste....
Yet it's the left that control most of Federal government for the last 6 years. The left overwhelmingly run MO government at the highest levels. Not sure how the left has the ability to exploit this and look good.
I don't believe the people, nor the Authority should ever accept the killing of citizens, unarmed ones especially as rational. There are plenty of tools at the disposal that can icapacitate and control without the use of deadly force.
As long as mayhem exist, the normal business of getting to the facts and enacting justice can never occur. Randomly destroying private property does not serve justice and in fact is the height of injustice when the property owner has zero responsibility in the events that took place and have no control over what events follow.
Mobs are not rational,,,ever!
That statement, intended or not cuts both ways. Mobs of angry people as well as mobs of The Authority.
Have we had any riots in this country in the last several years that were not precipitated by the police?
Watts - precipitated by failure of justice.
Yes, Watts, started by two cops roughing up a Black motorist. Suspicion of DUI or some such.
Detroit riot incited by police raid (white police force) on an unlawful after-hours bar in a black neighborhood. US Army finally called in. Ended with 43 dead.
Do you suppose cops ever roughed up a white motorist? Did that lead to riots?
last several years, maybe not, but within my lifetime, surely.
How many violent protests or riots have the right wing extremists perpetrated? Do they simply lack the organization or intuitively know their chances with the government?
Fuck your boring left/right drivel.
What? My comment did not fit your theme song? Right wing extremists are NOTpart of the left right political theme as the political right being currently represented by republicans disavows any affiliation to the right wing extremists, those most directly adhering to constitutional original intent. Just because you are a disgruntled democrat does not change the reality on the ground. There is a battle and there are "sides" whether you want to accept it or not.
O'BOLA and HOLSTER will bring in some Cook county Chicago "community disorganizers" to further polarize nationwide racial division and turn this crisis to their political advantage.
But I think they've forgotten that they're outnumbered by 100-200 million liberty minded, increasingly marginalized and discontent Americans
"We got AKs". "We ain't afraid of the police". - random man trying to find his way home.
In other breaking news!
http://www.KOB.com/article/stories/S3535038.shtml?cat=500
Good reason to stay home the next 99 weeks.
POLICE NOW WITH A RIFLE TO A JOURNALIST HEAD: 'TURN OFF THE CAMERA OR I WILL SHOOT YOU.'
Stay classy, pigs.
Normal employees submit a vacation request. Cops murder someone to get paid leave.
The number of murderous cops is TOO DAMN HIGH.
Yeah, someone just sent me a link to some of the video
You guys have a bunch of civilians with not much in the name of being an actual threat vs. tanks, body armor and automatic weapons?
WTF, is America the new Palestine?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbZcAltpCHI
The Palestinians generally have superior firepower and organization, which they actively employ against their oppressors.
Ukraine? Or USSA?
I can hardly tell the difference.
Ameristan...
How can you have all of these niggers showing up everyday to riot, but no way in hell would they get a job and work a 40-hour week?
People on welfare never get up before 11:30 am. So they up all night....
This just keeps getting worse and good honest Americans will pay the price. This is why when anyone gets pulled over you get a cop coming to your window and another following close behind with his gun already drawn.
Time to get out of America, maybe to some small Pacific island. With the rapid expansion of the drug cartels and the welfare class there won't be much left to care about. I've watched community after community destroyed. I don't want to send my kid to any public school within 30 miles of my house, English is pretty much a second language. Can't afford the private schools.
Having a $70k a year job is essentially working poor thanks to the Fed. So what's the point in living here?
It's damn easy to buy guns here.
Tonight in my "What the Fuck is Wrong with this Country?" chat with the folks, I basically told my dear ol mom that country was too far gone. She was silent in disbelief, but in the back of her mind I could feel the wheels turning on digesting what I'd said. It's over. These are symptoms of the problem. This is only going to get worse and the response will be further militarization and Jack bootery by our servants who will live in glorious retirement on our taxes.
I'd like to solve:
The shot in the hand was what hit him from behind. Your palms face backward. He felt the shot and dropped to his knees with arms raised, facing the officer. Then he was shot 3 times in the arm and chest. He slumps forward and two final kill shots hit the top of his head and eye.
No preconceived notions here! So the cop shoots him in his right hand, down, while he is running away, then the victim turns, drops to his knees, raises his hands and the cop shoots him three more times in the same arm before shooting him twice in the head. You have watched too much TV.
Has the cop waited a long time to call in the shooting, yes or no? Police dept said they learned about the shooting from a news report first and before the cop had relayed any information.
Second question, where is the cop tonight? Has he been arrested yet?
Probably in protective custody in an undisclosed location. You want him perp walked before the evidence is in? Is he a flight risk?
They perp walk everyone else before the evidence is in.
Is it policy to 'call in a shooting' once the backup officers and supervisor were already on scene..?? Not his job probably. Plus, in all honesty, he was probably in a state of shock.
Plus, who's job is it to investiage the FACTS (which we probably haven't seen all of them) and then press charges if the officer broke the law?
Our justic system is slow. Either we all follow it, or devolve into Anarchy...I'm fine with either but lets decide right now how we are going to play.
Or Oldwood's right and the guy was charging all while being shot 6 times...
by the way 6 bullets making target for a cop means at least 10 fired.
As for re-rentry, consider that he was shot once or twice while on the ground - not clear from this, to me, but, seems possible.
If he was shot several times while on his knees, of course, trajectory will tell you that obviously.
Or simply shot in the head while falling to the ground. If the cop is unloading a clip at a raging bull he probably will continue fire until the guy is on the ground. Lots of unknowns and only conjecture here. They should be able to determine trajectories to tell his position when shot and that should tell much of the tale. I don't want to defend the cop so much as show other perspectives. None of them justify the current violent responses. It is just wrong to blame the police for the protestor's violence. I don't care if they showed up with nukes, these people have no right to destroy private property, and the looting is simply adding insult to injury.
I don't disagree with you - solid points, old.
Autopsy and robery video and police report seem to be in harmony. Mr Brown was a real perp who did not know when to stop fighting. It does not matter anymore, the crowd emotion of morons has taken over.
Funny stuff. The killer kops admit to the robbery having nothing to do with the stop.
No. That's incorrect.
The Police Chief said the he did not know because the call had not gone out yet.
The call had not gone out yet, so how would the cop have known to look for a black dude fitting the description of Mike Brown?
But did the victim know that the cop didn't know. What is in question here is not just what the cop knew and did, but what the victim knew and what were his actions. If he did do the strong arm robbery and assumed the cop saw him as a suspect, given his arrest would have had dire effects on his college future, he may well have reacted in a violent panicked way. We just don't know and should not let our biases pretry the case. The state of mind of those involved is everything here, especially with regard to any premeditation. Even if the cop panicked and responded badly, it is a big difference than acting in deliberate murder, which is what many here are promoting.
Most likely no one looted the library. If the looters had any brains that is the first place they should go.
Then they could read a good book by the light from the burning police cars.
i was talking to this guy from the south one time on vacation. sitting around a fire he told me that the south fought the war so that a white man could be better than a necka............ and then he said............. and we lost. so...................... looks like we are all in the same boat now boys. its not black and white anymore..................... the govt sees us all the same now. and looks like we are the enemy. .................. coming to a white suburb near you.............soon. next we will be seeing white people getting gased outside the starbucks with broken windows and cup sleeves all over the street