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Another Police Shooting In St. Louis, Just 3 Miles From Ferguson: "Suspect Dead At The Scene" - Live Feed

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St.Louis city police are investigating a fatal police shooting in St.Louis City - less than 3 miles from Ferguson - today at 1230pm. Residents heard at least 5 shots fired. The suspect approached the officers with a knife in an open-hand grip and screamed "shoot me, kill me now." One witness described it at 'suicide by cop'.

 

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As St.Louis Post-Dispatch reports,

St. Louis city police officers shot and killed a man they say brandished a knife at them outside a market Tuesday afternoon.

 

The shooting was about 12:30 p.m., police said.

 

Witnesses said the man who was shot had been inside Six Stars Market at Riverview Boulevard near McLaran Avenue. He took items from the market and left, followed by a market employee, witnesses said.

 

When the market employee told the man he would have to pay for the items, the man started throwing the items on the street and sidewalk. St. Louis Alderman Dionne Flowers, who works at a nearby beauty shop, witnessed the encounter, according to St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson. She described the man as acting erratically and was grabbing at his waistband, Dotson said.

 

"The store owner and the alderwoman said the suspect was armed with a knife, acting erratically, pacing back and forth in the street, talking to himself," said Dotson, who spoke at the scene.

 

Employees at the market and the beauty shop called 911 and two police officers arrived, police said.

 

The officers ordered the man to get down, according to Dotson. The man, 23, became more agitated and walked toward them, reaching for his waistband. Witnesses told police the man was yelling "Shoot me, kill me now," during the encounter.

 

The officers drew their weapons and ordered the man to stop. He did stop, but then pulled out a knife and came at the officers with it held up hight, Dotson said. They ordered him to stop and drop the knife. When he got within two or three feet of the officers, they fired, killing the man.

 

“This is a lethal range for a knife,” Dotson said.

 

The officers were not hurt, police said. They were put on administrative duty pending an investigation.

 

Initially, a crowd that had gathered at the shooting scene was peaceful, but when Dotson started speaking to reporters at the impromptu press conference, the crowd became rowdier and started chanting the now familiar, “Hands up, don't shoot,” a common refrain at Ferguson protests.

 

Several older residents in the area got between those shouting and the police line and tried to calm the crowd. The shouts subsided but escalated again when the press conference concluded, and Dotson appeared to be walking away.

 

Dotson went into the midst of the crowd and reiterated all of the details he had provided the press. Dotson's actions calmed the situation along with help from the residents, who yelled, “Listen up” and “Keep quiet,” when the crowd tried to interrupt.

 

Several in the crowd asked why police did not use tasers to bring down the subject. Dotson said police officers have the right to defend themselves when an agitated man is coming at them with a knife. Said the chief, “Officers have a reasonable expectation to go home at the end of their shift.”

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Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:43 | 5116395 Gilligan4Prez
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So go be a cop..obviously you think your a better more stable person for the job.

What?  No balls?  I thought so.

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:06 | 5116489 JLee2027
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The simple fact that cops now shot to kill in the vast majority of time which has changed since when I grew up, shows that it's ok now to just gun people down in cold blood.

It didn't used to be that way. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:25 | 5116601 Sophist Economicus
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When I grew up, people didn't act this way.   Somebody in one of the posts showed an unarmed PArk Ranger in Philly getting beat-up because they weren't supposed to be skate boarding in an area.   The 'kid' couldn't be more than 15 or 16 from the video.      Don't remember too much of that even 20 years ago.     

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 20:03 | 5117553 JLee2027
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When I grew up, people didn't act this way. 

Oh garbage.  Crime was worse in the 70's and 80's than it is today.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 18:25 | 5117029 css1971
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You seriously believe this? Less movies more reality.

When the adrenalin is going, it's likely the opponent won't even feel getting shot at first and unless you hit the brain, it probably won't stop them instantly, if at all. They may well be fatally wounded but still able to get to you and kill you. So you keep shooting them until they do stop. Same with unarmed combat, you keep hitting them till they are not a threat.

Shots in the arm...

1. He may have been covering, deliberately or not. Do the arm wounds line up with the others? In which case he may have been hit just a few times with the other shots going wide.

2. When you experience an adrenalin dump you feel weak, arms and legs feel like noodles, mouth goes dry, heart rate goes mental, you start hyperventilating, co-ordination goes to shit and everything slows down. Missing a bunch of shots would be really easy, you are not standing at the range taking your time and you are not cool, calm and collected. Oh and this happens to everyone, even if highly trained so it isn't just a matter of someone being in the wrong job.

So 6 shots against an unarmed assailant? I absolutely believe it and it seems reasonable to me.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:54 | 5116132 Sophist Economicus
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Beat me to it LF.    I carry an ASP baton when I go to Jersey or NYC.    Still legal, and up close the sucker would wish I shot him with a gun instead.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:52 | 5116108 Sophist Economicus
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Duffy, your comments betray your ignorance.   

 

Simply writing things like "6 shots", "shooting someone to stop them", "aiming to kill", etc displays your ignorance of these types of situations.     Now fess up, have you ever even been in a school yard fight?    HAve you ever had someone charge at you?    Punch you in the face several times?   Of course not.    Do you own a firearm.   HAve you ever tried taking shots with it at a fixed target from 30 feet away while moving?    HAve you ever taken a shot with a handgun at a moving target that is only 15 or 20 feet away?

 

Do you know how to disarm or redirect a knife or stick?   Of course not.    HAve you ever been shot at and needed to survive?   Of course not.   For you this is all a comfy mental masturbation excursion.    You can whip up your phantasms in the comfort of your own 'home', feeling good that you are standing up for some cause (whatever that may be is only in your warped little mind)

 

Have a good night Duffy.    Sweet dreams.    And don't worry, there are folks out there in the real world that put themselves in harm's way, so you don't have to soil your underwear or your precious righteousness.

 

 

 

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:36 | 5116292 Duffy
Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:07 | 5116502 JLee2027
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Your precious righteousness seems to include murder. If I shot an unarmed man who was charging at me, yeah, I'd be in jail. You have no special rights as a cop.


Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:22 | 5116580 Sophist Economicus
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Not true.   If I am charging at you in a street, if you shoot, under the law you would be within your rights to do what you needed to protect yourself. 

Now, just to avoid quibbles, I am charging at you do bodily harm, not to shake your hand.  A person in the act of trying to commit bodily harm relinquishes his rights at that point.  Why? Because he is violating the rights of the other individual to not be harmed.  

 

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 18:04 | 5116878 JLee2027
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No way Jose. What planet are you from? My GAWD they arrest people if you shoot a burglar in your home. 

What's happened is the authorities attitudes have shifted. They can now murder, and it's "ok". In the old days, cops got into fights, no big deal. You wouldn't pull your gun and start shooting and call it "justified". 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 19:15 | 5117312 Uncle Remus
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My GAWD they arrest people if you shoot a burglar in your home

 

Utter horseshit. Try "Castle doctrine" - common law. Around my neck of the woods it's called "Make My Day Law".

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 03:16 | 5118785 Socrates
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"My GAWD they arrest people if you shoot a burglar in your home. "

That depends upon the laws of the state. Many states have Castle Laws (my home is my castle) and I can presume someone in my home means me bodily harm. I do not have to use escalation of force guidelines at 3 AM. Dumb enough to break in? Dumb enough to die. I don't have to ask his intentions before I shoot him to stop him. I don't want to kill anyone, but I've draw weapons on men who have tried to draw them first on me. Thankfully they did not wish to get shot and ran. Of course I live in a civilized state where my life and my wife and kids wife is worth someothing and not the puke state you live in where liberals want to understand the violent criminal.

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 19:26 | 5117362 Uncle Remus
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@ Sophist Economicus - As little people (layman, not an attorney), unless you have a VERY good attorney, meeting non-lethal force with lethal force, except under certain circumstances (rape for example), will generally get you in deep kimchi.

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 19:25 | 5117367 Uncle Remus
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Hmm - ZH seems whacked or my NSA handler is awake.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 19:29 | 5117393 FredFlintstone
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Duffy "can't handle the truth"... like in the movie A Few Good Men

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 03:09 | 5118778 Socrates
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"6 shots is absurd unless you're aiming to kill, or pissing in your panties in which case you are a danger to the public and should not be allowed to have a weapon on the streets.  Period."

And another individual steps forward and vies to be the Village Idiot.

You know nothing about ballistics and what goes down in a real life shooting.

You "shoot them to the ground to stop them"...3 shouts or 19 shots. You shoot until ther threat is over. If you are allowed one shot you are allowed as many as are necessary to confirm the threat has ended.

Lucky you have someone with training here to correct assinine statement.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:42 | 5116390 Gilligan4Prez
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Probably not a single one of them has ever owned or fired a gun.  

If they did it's probably one of the crazy militarization conspiracy freaks or militia freaks that give us lawfully registered firearm owners a bad name.

When the SHTF I'll stand behind the militarized police...where will they stand?

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 14:58 | 5115760 p00k1e
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Frankly, we need this insurrection to spread so more Americans get the opportunity for involvement. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:45 | 5116406 Gilligan4Prez
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Yeh, I can't wait to pump 6 rounds into the first gang banger that comes thru my door...6 for the next before I have to reload.

Son gets the shot gun...whole family's armed, trained and legal.  

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 03:02 | 5118767 Socrates
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My doors are locked to PROTECT invaders. Breaking into my home is a very bad idea. I have night vision and will arrive with an 870, a suppressed 6.8spc SBR, and a suppressed 229 and I know how to use them all quite well.

In my state, once that door perimeter is broken the Castle Law allows me to fire through the door. No reason to let thugs in to roam in the home. Stop them all at the choke point.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:01 | 5115769 Gilligan4Prez
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People, if you threaten bodily injury on a police officer doing his job, you will get hurt or worse.

If its one officer, you will likely be shot.

If several officers are around you will likely be injured.

Threats are not treated lightly or nicely.  Too many officers have lost their lives in the past by not using enough force, being outgunned and not enough protection.  These are some of the most under paid people serving our cities.  

If you have a problem then you get your asses out there on the line, working for 1/2 what probably any of you make, with daily thoughts that you may or may not make it through the day.  That some crazy will catch you with your guard down, some reckless driver will sideswip you during a traffic stop or the driver that you stopped is hiding a weapon should you decide to not let them go there way.

Maybe you have or haven't lost a loved one who caught a stray round as a whacked out drug dealer shoots his .45 through the door of his crib while the local sheriff's deputy is serving a search warrant.   I have.  

So the next time you think our police maybe a little too militarized, think about the bank robberies involving shootouts, officers being ambushed, drug dealer and gangs terrorizing our cities, and the armies of gangs that this administration is allowing across our borders.

Next time, put your asses on the line or shut up.  

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:06 | 5115802 QQQBall
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a little too militarized? They look like the terminator. They drive APCs and tanks. Ive been around awhile and the last time I got a tix from CHP, the young officer was rude and abusive. If most of them weren't cops, they would have menial jobs. Many are fucking morons.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:17 | 5116255 Gilligan4Prez
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Have you seen half of the super trucks and hummers with steel bumpers coming that people have these days.  Gangs, outlaw militias and drug dealers are using MAC 10s, AK47s, shotguns, extra mag pistols.

 The only time they broke out any of this equipment was a full day after the looters and protesters got out of line.  As for police brutality, I won't say it doesn't exist, but not a single person knows what happened until the end of the day.  

1) Not shot in back
2) Arms not raised after he is seen lying down dead in the street.
3) Store videos place the deceased strong arming the store clerk
4) The deceased is nowhere near the squeaky clean kid everyone portrayed him as.

As for Al Sharpton....TAWANA BRAWLY enough said.
As for Jessie "Show me the Money" Jackson??? Worthless

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:07 | 5115814 Spastica Rex
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Can police ever be too militarized?

I know - silly question.

Stay fearful!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:08 | 5115815 Duffy
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Take that hero-worship Officer Friendly bullshit over to Breitbart, sweetheart.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:18 | 5116260 Gilligan4Prez
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Tell that to my dead brother serving a warrent to some low life POS drug dealer you bitch.  He had 3 daughters and was only 28.  Officer friendly my ass.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:05 | 5116484 arby63
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Correct. This cop worship hero bullshit is what got us into this mess. 

Cops don't even care about anything but the paycheck, pension and hold firm on that "thin blue line" shit.

I personally have had it. I will take my chances with the thugs. Don't assume everyone walks around scared of their shadow.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:52 | 5118762 Socrates
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Walk with the thugs, asshole. They'll kill you quicker.

The rable is the rable.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:52 | 5118763 Socrates
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Walk with the thugs, asshole. They'll kill you quicker.

The rable is the rable.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:08 | 5115819 p00k1e
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'working for 1/2 what probably any of you make'

 

Review the IQ post above. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:10 | 5115826 SpeedKing
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True.  The percentage probably should have been closer to 60%, not 50%.  

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:27 | 5115946 Farmer Joe in B...
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When you factor in a pension that tees off of the last (highest) years' pay and get said pension for longer than you actually had to work, then you're actually making MORE than a normal working schmuck by a long shot....

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:28 | 5115948 GalacticEmissary
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Don't forget to click your heels when you post that tripe.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:29 | 5115969 Anarchy 99
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cops kill thousands of americans per year.  you shut up

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:51 | 5116114 WAMO556
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Your challenge is like waving a red flag in front of a bull.

Challenge accepted!

There are a few good cops today, However, most of the police are down right vicsious thugs with little or not oversight. The layers of protection that these people have go beyond the pale.

Case in Point.... Murder in the First Degree:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247514/Graphic-footage-police-o...

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:01 | 5115778 QQQBall
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it better be a big knife

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:24 | 5116290 Gilligan4Prez
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Box cutters worked just fine taking over those plays on 9/11.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:37 | 5116376 Arkadaba
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"plays" ... Freudian slip?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:45 | 5116407 Gilligan4Prez
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planes.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:04 | 5115786 Maplehood
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For what it's worth, Darren Wilson suffered Orbit Blowout Fracture from incident with Mike Brown

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson...

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:18 | 5115866 Pure Evil
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Yes but, ossifer Wilson shot the "Gentle Giant" with big dreams of going to college!

He had big plans to register next week and had just stopped at the store to pick up some Swisher Sweets when the racist foreign store keeper accuse him of stealing them.

You see, inner city blacks are entitled to not only EBT, welfare, section 8, and all the rest, but free cigars at the overpriced neighborhood convenience store.

 

(OK, do I need a sarc tag for this one?)

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:33 | 5116004 LFMayor
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I want the next one to be named "Geoffrey" so we can use the old Bill Cosby skit about the little 4 year old on the plane to make fun of it.   First reports for PoorLittleBabySaintSkittlesTraybon had him at what, 12?   And now SaintSwishers was initially reported at 14.

OH MAH bebee Mah BAbeee.

Anyone see the New Black Panthers trying to organize all the Hood Generals?
https://twitter.com/NewBlackPanthr1/status/482949985680785409/photo/1

I understand the phone number listed isn't working.  Must have ran their Obamaphone dry already!
This will underperform and underwhelm, i'm sure, since these idiots could fuck up a one car funeral.  But here's hoping!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:25 | 5115920 GalacticEmissary
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Sad thing is, you believe this BS from that most impressive guarding of the press gatewaypundit.

Puhlease, If this were even remotely true the pigs would have paraded this around the first day.

Fact: Officer Wilson on camera at the scene for an hour after the murder showing NO INJURIES!

Fact: Autopsy revealed no signs of Mike Brown in a struggle with the cop.

You believe that article b/c you want to plain and simple.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:06 | 5115805 firewire888
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Move along, no effect on markets... was that a charge or credit?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:07 | 5115806 Anarchy 99
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classic: 

Guards that Beat Fan are then Beaten by More Fans

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jagvYIMJyzU&feature=youtu.be

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:06 | 5115812 orangegeek
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How's Chicago and Detroit doing?  How many in the two area were "off'd" over this past weekend?

 

Where's the MSM?  Right.  Sucking Barry's appendage as usual trying to create a sideshow distraction away from the dogshit economy the US/World is locked in.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:20 | 5115890 gatorengineer
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black on black violence dont count....  Black on white/latino/asian dont count.....

Now if we could have a handicapped lesbian, white, Jewish, Female Cop, shoot a black midget transvite, I think that could bring the whole thing down.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 19:39 | 5117441 Uncle Remus
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Couldn't they just mud wrestle?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:09 | 5115831 Gringo Viejo
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Cue "For What It's Worth" by Buffalo Springfield.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:11 | 5115842 q99x2
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They could turn this whole thing around in a second if they would start shooting bankers.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:16 | 5115844 Itchy and Scratchy
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Maybe it was a black cop and a white guy this time? D'oh!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:11 | 5115847 SheepDog-One
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If I was on video shooting a guy who was just standing in the street holding a knife yelling shoot me, I'd obviously be charged with murder of some degree.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:08 | 5116503 Gilligan4Prez
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Was that what he was doing?  Do you know that for a fact?  Or are you just making a pre-determined judgement based on the fact that a cop shot someone with a knife.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:13 | 5115849 Caveman93
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"Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:24 | 5115922 Uncle Remus
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"Barkeep!"

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:13 | 5115850 p00k1e
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Obama may get his loot on:

 

Report: White House Doesn't Rule Out Obama Trip To Ferguson

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:26 | 5115931 Uncle Remus
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Oh my. A twofer.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:14 | 5115856 GOSPLAN HERO
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Hmm ... reminds me of the movie "Zulu" from 1965.

Rorke's Drift, South Africa, circa 1879.

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:17 | 5115875 Itchy and Scratchy
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I guess they don't shoot to maim anymore?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:18 | 5115878 gatorengineer
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most important thing is there anything good to loot in the area?  That will determine the response.  Best Buy or Sneaker store and they better get the Seals ready

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:21 | 5115902 Pure Evil
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Things will move to the area of the new shooting.

Everything's been picked clean in Ferguson, now they'll descend on St. Louis City like locusts.

Gotta get me some Swisher Sweets for Mike Brown.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:20 | 5115881 AssFire
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Here is all you need to know about the situation. Simply put- facts don't matter to people without reason:

http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:12 | 5116227 MagicHandPuppet
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How I post to know das fo' real?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:24 | 5116297 AssFire
Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:19 | 5115888 Duffy
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I dunno if this is calm or just the calm before the storm...

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/19/officer-involved-shooting-in-north-st-loui...

Ah, maybe the looters are still at work?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:19 | 5115889 QQQBall
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If you go to STL - Don't eat the donuts

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:20 | 5115891 monopoly
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The end result you idiot is that no one gets killed, the so called officer has back up and the person with the knife is subdued in a non lethal manner. Is that so hard for you to comprehend? And with tempers so high in the whole state might that be a better approach then to prove you are Rambo and elevate the hate level among citizens even more. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:25 | 5115925 duck dodgers
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Like I said...your stupidity is mind boggling.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:32 | 5115995 Sophist Economicus
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Stop taunting him, he needs to put on his body spray, slightly worn jeans (must look like the people, ya know) and go stand in line for his cronut

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:50 | 5116105 Jethro
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My God!  A knife is a lethal weapon you dolt.  The LEOs are well aware of the 21-ft rule when dealing with a knife (an assailant with a knife can be 21-ft away from you charge you and stab you before you can unholster your weapon).  Not to mention that somebody with even minimal training with a blade can stab you multiple times in under a second.  You still want to be a proponent of less than lethal force from a knife weilding assailant?  Go disarm one yourself, and report back to us on your findings.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:22 | 5116583 css1971
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It's useful to put some videos in at this point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xpcrDzy344

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqMgG_FI2gI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKlO3vg08qk

 

BTW, 21 feet is about 50:50 against a holstered firearm. Within 21 feet the knife has the advantage.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:41 | 5116720 Jethro
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Thanks for posting those!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:38 | 5116701 Oldwood
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If I was them I would have called 911

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:24 | 5115913 Uncle Remus
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"Just as every cop is a criminal

And all the sinners saints..."

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:27 | 5115930 oudinot
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"Suicide by cop"

Reminds me of the lamentations of Marcus Aurelius circa 170 AD

The Emperors complaining as so many Christians wanna be   martyrs would go to the local Roman justice and demand crucifixtion so as to be a Christian martyr.  This cost the state time , money, tied up valuable courts,  and it was senseless.  Aurelius would lament, "are there no cliffs, wateralls that these Christians can throw thmeselves off and save the State."

 

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:28 | 5115960 insanelysane
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Did he blame the previous emporer, Georgus Wusus Bushius?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:39 | 5116021 Uncle Remus
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"Now, had he privatized crucifixions..." - Cletus Awreetus-Awrightus

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:30 | 5115980 general ambivalent
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Don't these niggers know the laws of laissez-faire capitalism? Don't live between the bullet factories, cop factories, and mad-hatter factories, you apt to get yoself killed.

Capitalism: automatic genocide. Producing psyops since 1492.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:33 | 5116003 Itchy and Scratchy
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Hun?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:49 | 5116094 NoWayJose
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Cops aren't very smart (no surprise there) but they also must not do any real-life practice with their weapons.  Knowing the situation - the first shot and probably the second should try for the legs to stop the guy running at them - arms won't work (if that is what the other cop -- Brown -- was aiming at).  If you miss the legs with the first two shots, then a single shot to the body should stop the attacker.  If not, and only then, keep pumping lead into them.  I'd say use a tazer, but you don't know the situation and that is not the first thing I would grab anyway.  These cops that pump 5 shots into the body or head are idiots given the inflamed situation right now.  -- Or maybe they are just smarter than all of us and know that it gets them a couple weeks of paid vacation????

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:37 | 5116366 AdvancingTime
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Years ago I chased an armed robber down on foot. Later I was not pleased to find out how the police had to tell him exactly who I was.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:42 | 5116394 Seize Mars
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Nowayjose
Sorry bro that's just not how it works. Nice fantasy though. Needs more dragons.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:45 | 5118756 Socrates
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Idiocy follows:

"Cops aren't very smart (no surprise there) but they also must not do any real-life practice with their weapons.  Knowing the situation - the first shot and probably the second should try for the legs to stop the guy running at them - arms won't work (if that is what the other cop -- Brown -- was aiming at).  If you miss the legs with the first two shots, then a single shot to the body should stop the attacker. "

I am a highly trained civilian with many hours of FBI training as well as SWAT team training and qualified to teach others as well as carry a concealed weapon in 40 states.  

You, on the other hand, have no idea how to even load a weapon. Both law enforcement and civilians are taught to shoot "TO STOP". They can shot under the criteria of death bodly harm or death. That means shots are attempted, while your adrenelin is pumping and your fine motor skills are decreasing, at center mass. Moving legs and such will decrease the hit rate and also pose a threat to those behind the subject.

The libtards just enjoy making fools of themselves hen talking about guns. They show incredible ignorance on most issues when they open their trap.

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:45 | 5118757 Socrates
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Idiocy follows:

"Cops aren't very smart (no surprise there) but they also must not do any real-life practice with their weapons.  Knowing the situation - the first shot and probably the second should try for the legs to stop the guy running at them - arms won't work (if that is what the other cop -- Brown -- was aiming at).  If you miss the legs with the first two shots, then a single shot to the body should stop the attacker. "

I am a highly trained civilian with many hours of FBI training as well as SWAT team training and qualified to teach others as well as carry a concealed weapon in 40 states.  

You, on the other hand, have no idea how to even load a weapon. Both law enforcement and civilians are taught to shoot "TO STOP". They can shot under the criteria of death bodly harm or death. That means shots are attempted, while your adrenelin is pumping and your fine motor skills are decreasing, at center mass. Moving legs and such will decrease the hit rate and also pose a threat to those behind the subject.

The libtards just enjoy making fools of themselves hen talking about guns. They show incredible ignorance on most issues when they open their trap.

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:54 | 5116122 Dingleberry
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Everyone thought it was cool to vote for a Black president. No one cared about his views (you couldn't...he had none or flat out lied).  You know you did it to show how enlightened you all are and how whitey is on the side of the disenfranchised and oppressed.

Unfortunately, Obama is only half Black.

Obviously, we did not elect a Black enough president to tend to the nation's racial strife, encourage healing and magnanimity amongst both the takers and the makers and their political handlers.

I say "Al & Jesse 2016!!"

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:55 | 5116130 Itchy and Scratchy
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When does hunting season end?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:57 | 5116141 Itchy and Scratchy
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I sure hope the race baiters and community agitators are a little happier now that they have inflamed spirits & hostilities!!!!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:15 | 5116542 combatsnoopy
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Racebaiting realtors bribing minorities to scare whitey out of the hood?  

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 15:59 | 5116151 10mm
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Ofc Wilsons Eye Socket was crushed. Browns injurys were on one side. See it in court in due time.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:23 | 5118113 oudinot
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Really?

I guess you didn't see the the newest video, from a second stoy apt. minutyes after the shooting. You can observe  Officer Wilson standing there not injured not favouring his 'crushed eye socket'.

You are very wrong.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:05 | 5116176 bigrooster
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If the victim is white I aboust to getz my lootin on!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:06 | 5116181 Bumbu Sauce
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The agitators, who are ALL from out of town, are going to keep this stupid lynch mob up till November.

Gotta GOTV yo!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:10 | 5116210 Itchy and Scratchy
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Just like the travelling gang of bandits who following the G8 around and destroy cities.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:12 | 5116229 Infinite QE
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Send Vicky Nuland. She can pass out cookies and crack, I mean crackers. Not the white-guy crackers, but the bread things.

But then again, she's probably over in Israel getting her marching orders on how to accelerate the planned genocide in Ukraine.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:12 | 5116236 tony wilson
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anderson coopers want it

rupert murdoch can smell it

the rabbi is pounding his kosher meat over this.

 

gaza is still bleeding the tamudic pimps need a bigger black distraction

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 18:38 | 5117107 Jackagain
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Good grief Moohammad..give it a rest...

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:14 | 5116242 Itch
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What ever happened to shooting people in the leg?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:17 | 5116251 Sophist Economicus
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Ended when Bonanza went off the air...

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:21 | 5116269 10mm
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That MIGHT work if your eye socket isn't crushed already by a giant thug.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:30 | 5116335 Itch
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How do you know he was a giant thug? He could have been a skinny schizophrenic wearing high heels. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:35 | 5116359 Gilligan4Prez
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6 ft 4 inches  292lbs   and   stoned says the toxicology report.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:38 | 5116369 Itchy and Scratchy
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Kenyan?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:37 | 5116374 Uncle Remus
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Condoleezza, is that you?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:32 | 5116340 Gilligan4Prez
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You shoot a 292lb 6'4" guy in the leg and see what he does.  

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:34 | 5116345 Itchy and Scratchy
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Limps for sure!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:53 | 5116443 Itch
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He'll much likely do the same thing as a 120lb guy, squeal like a bitch and repeatedly say he's sorry.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 18:33 | 5117080 Infinite QE
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It's time for a name change for you. I recommend Crotch Itch. Were you always a libtard or did something happen to you, like being hit in the head with a sledgehammer or something similar?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 19:21 | 5117345 Itch
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If you are giving me crotch itch, i'll take crotch itch.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:38 | 5116703 luckystars
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Big strong and young, you would have to shoot multiples to down him.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:21 | 5118104 potato
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Whatever happened to non-lethal self-defense weapons?

OH, RIGHT. Those are now tools used to elicit compliance.

 

Cops are paid to de-escalate situations. With so many mentally ill people in America, it's a shame they hire clueless teenagers and others who couldn't hack it in the productive sector. And they do this because they can't hire enough competent people because staffing needs are through the roof to perform revenue-generation like solicited prostitution undercover stings, parking/speeding tickets, and other nanny bullshit.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:34 | 5118740 Socrates
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"What ever happened to shooting people in the leg?"

When you have never fired a gun before, and surely not one while moving at a moving target, one can say such dumb things.

So if he shoots the guy in the leg, he falls down, rolls over, and comes up and shoots the cop that's what he has to look forward to? He can approach the cop with deadly forcen and expect only to leave the hospital in crutches later than night?

It's amazing how people cannot think properly.

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:28 | 5116319 AdvancingTime
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In the "Musicals for $500 category"

He had it coming, he had it coming, he only had himself to blame!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:33 | 5116341 Itchy and Scratchy
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Buy funeral home stawks!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:37 | 5116696 luckystars
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I made the mistake of buying a house in a 37% black town once, the Kingpin of the city owned the funeral home.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:39 | 5116378 Seize Mars
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Man, these guys are almost at the Albuquerque level. I'm sure if they try hard enough they can get there.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:47 | 5116412 luckystars
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This Is Pretty Much How I Figured Obama's Second Term Would Look

lol

https://plus.google.com/100994242088224753778/posts/5dNBbPpnont

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:52 | 5116440 Bumbu Sauce
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In defense of some of St. Louis, the white parts are really nice and peaceful.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:54 | 5116448 22winmag
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It was probably a plastic picnic knife.

 

But to a cop who is both hungover and raging on steroids, paying attention to detail isn't exactly a priority.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:56 | 5116451 Bumbu Sauce
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The departed, who was holding the knife(plastic or not) was shouting "SHOOT ME!  JUST SHOOT ME!" to the police.

 

whatever...

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:58 | 5116462 foodstampbarry
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NO FREE SHIT!! NO PEACE!!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 16:59 | 5116467 walküre
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Suicide by cops?

Witnesses told police the man was yelling "Shoot me, kill me now," during the encounter.

Bad timing, bro.

Constantly touching the waistband. Is there a medical facility in the area or do they have a drug program where patients get waistbands? The man was obviously on drugs or mentally handicapped.

The cops need better training. When a deranged individual out of his mind comes at them with a knife, they should learn to defend themselves better than just shooting the aggressor to a pile.

Is that all the cops know to do? Just shoot at everything that walks at them? Are they on zombie patrol out there or do they think they're patrolling Fallujah?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:17 | 5116541 22winmag
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Cops have a long and sordid history of shooting innocent people who are deaf, blind, suffering from siezures or diabetic shock, or mentally ill or incapacitated.

 

A typical scenario might be a suicidal man in his own house, threatening no one but himself. When the cops show up and give him orders he cannot hear or comprehend, they end his life and the DA justifies it. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 18:15 | 5116954 walküre
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Knives can kill. Even cops.

In this new case in St. Louis, the cop clearly must have understood that the man he was talking to was out of his mind.

Cops don't ever try and back off or walk away slowly, do they? No, they seem to always have to stand their ground even if there's no ground to defend. A little bit more flexibility would probably go a long way.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:27 | 5118734 Socrates
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Go do the job and come back and let us know about knives. If anything, a crazy man with a knife is more dangerous. The question though isn't that the cops are obligated to assess his mental frame of mine (acting?) the threat is the man and the knife. Movement at the cop inside of 21 feet is cause for lawful shooting. You wait to shoot as a cop. Have your widow post here as to where to send flowers

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:28 | 5118735 Socrates
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Go do the job and come back and let us know about knives. If anything, a crazy man with a knife is more dangerous. The question though isn't that the cops are obligated to assess his mental frame of mine (acting?) the threat is the man and the knife. Movement at the cop inside of 21 feet is cause for lawful shooting. You wait to shoot as a cop. Have your widow post here as to where to send flowers

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:01 | 5116476 Bumbu Sauce
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Riverview and McLaren is essentially Fallujah.  I wouldn't go there without Marine escourt.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:01 | 5116477 Acidtest Dummy
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The worst jihad ever.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:05 | 5116493 Coletrane
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LOL

 

 

Now they think they're martyring themselves.........Saint Trayvon....lol

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:07 | 5116501 Itchy and Scratchy
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Sad as hell! I guess we get to thank the bleeding heart liberals for their creations?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:09 | 5116510 loonyleft
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so now it's proven he was charging the officer? Any links? 

Again, right wing nut jobs start their argument assuming he was charging the cops. What if he wasn't? 

Links to evidence/proof he was charging would be very helpful.

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:13 | 5116526 Coletrane
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so would "proof" that he was shot in the back.....

 

 

your name is quite.......Fitting.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:37 | 5116684 Sophist Economicus
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Would it really matter to you?    You have your angry, racist worldview.   Deep down this event embarasses you.   Like Katrina.    The product of a leftist experiment gone down the tubes yet again.    Spawning a collection of idiots that probably don't know where paper bags come from.       

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:19 | 5118727 Socrates
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With a weapin already pointed at him he decided to charge the officer and was shot at close range. The Tuller drill allows, legally, for an officer to fire at a suspect if he charges at him from 21 feet (1.5 seconds) as that's long enough for the officer to be killed. Be stupiod? Be dead. Officer didn't setout to kill anyone that day. Brown caused his own death, sadly.

 

And yes, there are links. Do your own work. I've found two witness already and one on tape with two discussing that he charged the officer.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:23 | 5118728 Socrates
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With a weapin already pointed at him he decided to charge the officer and was shot at close range. The Tuller drill allows, legally, for an officer to fire at a suspect if he charges at him from 21 feet (1.5 seconds) as that's long enough for the officer to be killed. Be stupid? Be dead. Officer didn't setout to kill anyone that day. Brown caused his own death, sadly.

 And yes, there are links. Do your own work. I've found two witness already and one on tape with two discussing that he charged the officer.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:36 | 5116662 luckystars
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These ghetto blacks having nothing to live for. They consider themselves soldiers.

They had angry teen moms and nonexistent  fathers. They are angry, can barely speak English to

find even the most basic employment, and they don't want to work. They want to

sell drugs, pimp, steal.

They seem to want to go out fighting now.

While the Marxist media is cheers them on.

so be it

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:55 | 5116835 Itchy and Scratchy
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Sad as hell! Thanks LBJ!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:20 | 5118730 Socrates
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"They consider themselves soldiers."

 

No, they consider themselves badasses and are not at all trained to combat a police force let alone a national guard where many men have seen combat. If they kick it up, more will die.

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 17:58 | 5116848 luckystars
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Buy Plywood Bitchez!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 18:44 | 5117140 Hellone
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I dont understand the whitey goyim this is the revolution you've all been waiting for and talking about amongst your fellow dog goy...but DARKIE had to kick it off because the stupid whitey goy too chicken shit! fine that undertstandable but now you must back them up! I dont care if they looted every single mom and pop grocery store, mcdonalds, taco bell, quiktrip up and down that mutha fucka you know why because the Princes of Talmud are lootin everyone across the FUCKIN WORLD as well as unborn infants, your progeny will all be debt slaves but o thats rite MR. DARKIE is the enemy because i see his violence on t.v!stupid idiot whitey goy says: " I respond to your programming Hebrew Master please love me please for the love of the KABALLAH love me." "idiots"

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:15 | 5118722 Socrates
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Your ignorance and stupidity are unfortunate

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