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9/11 had little to do with a radical Islamic threat.
there is no islamic threat to USA, there is threat to usa oil companies in iraq...
Yazidis, Christians, Shia and Sufi own all the US oil companies?
It's not about nations, it's all about oil and few thousand usa oil workers at one side and mercenaries at another. Yazidis, Christians, Shia and Sufi it's a crap like democracy for pop, usa dont care about them
Correct, its not about nations, these cocksuckers slaughter Yazidis, Christians, Shia, Buddhists, atheists/agnostics, Sufi (you name it) wherever they find them, they don't care about "nationality".
You just don't understand, they not some mad slaughters, they are mercenaries and in Siria they was working for USA, and in Iraq not. They are paid for this job... You need to find people who paid them, not start another Iraq war... jezz, whats can i say - americans. Shoot first and ask then.
You're a fucking idiot, they are not mercs, they really do believe in the shit they're doing.
And by all appearences, Iraq is involved in a war right now...or can't you see?
can you troll somewhere else!? thanks.
Last I checked, this is Tylers house, not yours ace.
Ask him to ban me and prove what you are.
Oy! Talk about trolls!
They're now touting Obama's very own party line.
Nuffin' ta do wif religion.
Holy shit! (pun intended)
This place is getting way too strange for reality.
Its fucking unreal knuk's, they saw off everyone's head unless they convert to Islam or pay the jizya tax to "the new authorities" in town (that would be the ones holding the knives to the throats of "infidels") and its NOT ABOUT RELIGION?
I guess Foley was just another incidence of Obama's "work place violence" meme ;-)
Amazing how three secular moslem countries ended up like this.Iraq.Libya, and Syria.
I wonder what they all have in common ?
Apart from oil that is. Funnily enough, when you bomb the freedumb into a nation
extremists become prevalent, instead of being a powerless part of
the population.
If you like your blowback,you can keep your blowback, but you won't like it for long.
Thank you Winston.... And yes, nmewns... it is kinda clear, no?
If it was a buncha mercs or fully run by the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain, it sure as hell wouldn't look the way it does.
Otherwise it would be way more professional or way bigger a cluster-fuck.
Secular MOSLEM countries? Ha ha, yeah, right. Nothing "secular" about it. You pay jizzya or convert or die.
Grimaldus
You're an idiot.
The point being that the "radical muslim problem" was not an issue in those 3 countries Winston mentioned. He is asking you why is that and why does the problem exist now, retardo!
Maybe the coincidence in all three countries is that WE intervened violently in the removal of their government at the time by arming said radical Jihadists that now have turned their back on us.
Mission Accomplished indeed!
The Feds have got to be thinking that we're due for a refresher to break this "pre-9/11 mindset" eh?
Why are you arguing with a 2-month wonder?
2 month wonder!
Good catch. Thank you.
Reinforces the whole point I was making earlier about the "Invasion of the Trolls"
If you think that an individual's arrival time at this place is relevant, you are the idiot. You are no better than a gatekeeper. You wish to hold some kind of power over others, you useless fucking piece of shit!
Sure, there are trolls arriving every day, and it took your genius ass 2 months to identify this one?
You're gonna get slaughtered when the onslaught occurs.
Fuck you and yours!
it's called "blowback". go look it up, shill.
What are you, ten minutes old, boi?
If these ISIS guys really believed their radical ideas then they would be strapping on bombs and blowing up the enemy where it hurts most. Oh no. They steal, pillage, rape, and murder to honor Beezelbub.
nme, what if kowalli's right and you're being played? I got to know a guy who worked for Blackwater, or whatever it is today. Recruited at 16, he was programmed (his words) to perform on cue, even if it meant killing another Blackwater guy. It didn't matter. Optics mattered. Amazingly, he somehow overcame that and got out. Poor bastard is nutty as squirrel shit. I wonder why?
If you think about Uncle Sam's aims in the ME, kowalli is likely correct. Those aims;
1) Control the resources
2) Maintain Israel's hegemony
3) Destabilize everyone else so they can't challenge said hegemony
4) Undermine al-Maliki and force his ouster
5) Undermine Assad and force his ouster
6) Solidify their alliance (if covertly) with the House of Saud.
7) Isolate/remove Russian influence
8) Isolate/remove Chinese influence
9) Subjugate all of Europe via control of energy resources
There's more, but I'm tired of typing.
All of the above is designed by and for the benefit of the international bankers, who coincidentally claim a certain ethnicity in highly disproportionate numbers.
They're not actually Jews though bud. That's a lie.
I haven't even spoken of Ukraine. Slightly north, but it's still the same game. Eventually, Uncle Sam will transform from predator to prey- at the hands of the mercs.
Sleep tight!
They're all (by all, I mean 99.9%) native to the region and hardcore Sunni. What training they have was aquired in Assad's ranks before they deserted, their civil war there and whoever they picked up along the way into what we call Iraq.
They're not mercs in the sense of a puppet master controlling them in order to control resources.
They are funded through the House of Saud & Qatar. We know this partially because a stinger was used in Afghanistan to take down a chinook that was shipped to Qatar, supposedly destined for Libya (idiot Obama and Arab Spring). Someone in Qatar (at a high level) shipped it to the Taliban.
The poiint is, without central control there is no puppet master, therefore no mercs.
Dear nme, (that sounds weird, don't it?)
Whaddya mean by 'without central control'? There's absolutely central control; the evidence is overwhelming. Tell me what you think I'm missing.
You don't just grab a significant portion of Iraq and Syria without some pretty sophisticated command and control apparatus. Yeah the funding comes through Qatar and the House of Saud, and the weapons come from the likes of Lockheed-Martin and Raytheon, but the ultimate source is still the international bankers, who claim to be Jews but are not.
Haven't you heard this story somewhere before?
Dear Ace:
If those were the objectives, then the results were/are a complete failure. Sadam, Ghadaffi, Mubarak and Assad still in power would have counterbalanced all the competing Muslim counterparties.
I say give it all back to Turkey, including Arabia.
Kayman, I don't mean to offend, but the LAST thing Uncle wants in the ME is balance. There ain't no money in balance (read; peace). As far as giving it all back to Turkey, it's not even possible at this point. Like my Ol' man used to say, "Once you fuck a goat, you can't un-fuck it".
BTW, Assad is still in power, thanks to Putin. Saddam and Muammar are dead (we think) and I don't have the faintest clue where Mubarak is these days. Maybe he's trying to wrest control from el-Sisi, I dunno. Too much shit goin' on elsewhere.
All this is happening while Nero fiddles- err, golfs. Sad that I know more of world affairs than my commander-in-chief, eh?
Correct there are different perspectives to understand.
Humanism: It is about People
Business: Bankers, Profit, Money, Finding Money, Locating Funds, Getting Resources at lowest cost, gaining government protection of trade routes and piplelines, hostile take overs
National Government: It is about Bankers, Money & Party Survival, but Today it is also about imposing will & making Proclamations
Royalty: It is about Status, Power, Money, Bankers, EGO, & Imposing Will on nations
So who gets to be king, or are they just going to take turns again?
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By bombing NATO's accomplice in helping radical islam flourish aka the saudis, we would end this ( along with telling langley to shut it the fukk down ).
The west has signed the death warrant to every other religion save wahhabi / salafi islam and judaism in the middle east, factually. If we stop allowing it, it will stop.
p.s. on the topic of the yezidi, 2 weeks ago 99.5% of people ( or more ) in the west had never even heard of them, not realized that they have been persecuted for centuries - pretending they matter now to the governments is farce. They have been reeviled as devil worshippers since before the USA was the USA.
The devil worship is a misnomer, its more like ying & yang, you can't have one without the other.
So, you really sayin these bastards (Boko Haram for one) killing & kidnapping in the name of "Allah" are funded by the west?
Really?
Geeez nmewn, my suspension of disbelief meter is ringing like the Class M-3 Model B9, General Utility Non-Theorizing Environmental Control Robot waving his arms about, screaming "Warning Will Robinson, warning".
BTW to show the world we're onto something here, the robot, like the narrator, had no name. So we must be right.
Not religiously founded....
I'm really wondering about these folks...
Maybe the Perceptions Management Police have indeed infiltrated all too well
Its mind boggling, the US had the entire country under its control, yet left.
Clearly the US wanted the Christians in Mosul dead or converted to Islam (according to our european friends) for some as yet unexplained reason, although, they could have slaughtered them when they were there in the first place.
Try to unpack that ;-)
The US government and its masters in Israel are destabilizing the region for profit and they don't give a fuck about who dies.
Unpack that.
I did, below ;-)
Mosel is where the Russians and Chinese leases are so we don't bomb.
Kurdistan is where US and Euro leases are... We bomb and get a humanitarian hat tip bonus for the folks back home to cheer us on.
That's why Russia was so quick with the SU-27's to Iraq.
Layers on layers on layers from what we think is going on.
So, you're saying that they are not?
Can we not come to the agreement that situations are more complex than a dichotomy?
Is it not possible that ISIS and company are recieving funding and training from the US and want to conquer the world for Islam?
Is it not possible that Frankenstein is an apt metaphor for this particular situation?
Your Islamophobia blinds you to the crimes of your own government.
I'm not blind to anything.
Like I said a long time ago, the people in DC are not the smartest people in the room. They thought (after Libya) they could do the same thing with Assad.
Benghazi changed their thinking, it also proved they are cowards & traitors.
Furthermore, it is not "my government", its an occupying power.
"Is it not possible that ISIS and company are recieving funding and training from the US and want to conquer the world for Islam?"
lol...no...unless you want to disgard the theory that Christians & Jews want to control the world ;-)
The Jewish Jesuit Alien Rastafarian Masonic Rosicrucian Illuminati K of C Moose Elks Girl Scout Axis of Evil?
It's real. Trust me. I have a keyboard.
You forgot Kiwanis, them fucking Kiwanis Club members are the worst ;-)
And he left out Boy Scouts and the Eagles lodge.
I'll accept your posit that the situations are more complex than a dichotomy. I'll raise you to a trichotomy, or even go for an appendectomy and lobotomy.
lobotomy eh..
No shortage of those..
Well, shia and Iran were the enemies so US gave WMD including gas to Saddam Hussein.
Next Saddam Hussein goes and would send gas on the Kurds. Kurds are stil "communist" and Saddam Hussein is the US´s guy, so we close the eyes on the Halabja Massacre of Kurds using Western WMD (gas attack)
Next Saddam Hussein attacks Koweit.
Next we have 1991 uprising of Shia and Kurds against Saddam Hussein.
US offers no support (as it should not get involved in the first place) and the uprising is crushed.
Next 2003, the Shia are supposed to be on US side, but there is Moktadar Al Sadr, not so cozy relationships....
Fast forward and we are with teh Shia of Irak and close to Iran to repel ISIS, which incidently is an offshoot of a group sponsored by the US in Afghanistan (Al Qaeda) with elements coming from Syria and Lybia´s rebel movements (which were sponsored).
And now we are now with the Shia and the Kurds after being gainst them in the 1980s?
I mean what is wrong with those people. They must all be on drugs. The guys in Washington should get checked in a sanatorium. I am dead serious. Anyone with a bit of memory of the sequence of facts would conclude that the actions of people in charge are totally, absolutely incoherent.
Thats about the size of it, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
But just for today.
That is the middle east.
US foreign policy explained:
We were against "them" before we were for "them"
And
"We were for "them" before we were against them"
nmewn
what is low level sayanim
Don't know (didn't even goggle it) prolly something to do with jooos coming from you.
Amiright, amiright, huh, huh?
Yup.
Some of my friends and family amuse me with their anti-Muslim pontifications despite their very informed anti-MSM stances and extensive knowledge of the Zionist infiltration and threat. Most even know that Israel and Mossad were behind 9/11, yet they believe all of the anti-Muslim hype. Crazy!
An American, not US subject.
"Don't believe the hype. It's a sequel."
That why I call it ape watching. The only thing that makes us different is the ability
to read , write,and learn, which most adult hairless apes don't do anymore.
The islamophobia is just another example of our devolution back to animals.
Surprised there are so many knuckle draggers here on ZH, the trolls at least get
paid for their posts, so them I can understand.
The law of the jungle is the only one enforced anymore, it seems.
Ok,
I get it. The guys sawing heads off are just unemployed Fuller Brush men.
Check.
They use the hair from the beheaded for the underground toupe' market, so clearly a capitalist venture, devised by the spawn of Satan.
(Atheists now struggling to keep up while pulling their own hair out...lol)
The sawers accent was from Bradford in England.Disgruntled mill worker ?
Who knows.
Sick fucks are everywhere , here we just call them leaders for short, and
put them up inside the Beltway.
I heard that the accent was from London.
I was expecting some disgruntled IT worker one step away from some outsourced IT service bozo.
Caught between false WMD's and Halliburton shares.
Uncle Sam should be black. He's not, so this is a racist cartoon.
Historically, we know that Uncle Sam was white, otherwise he would be known as Uncle Sambo....
So still 15% of the population believes (or get paid to say so) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."
That's amazing Mr. Silverstein, so what you are saying is that the building was already wired for demolition?
Well... you see there was no way of knowing if the 2 buildings would actually go down on this 4th Terror attack planned out by the MIC. But then we got word others wanted in on the deal, they wanted bldg 7 to go down as well...
That is typical in a multi-agency opeartions we get a lot of requests that have to go to the top for approval. So... yeah we had to wire all three bldgs in advance. The hard part was the effect of burying the pyrotechnics prevented oxygen fuel to actually terminate the burning and with the record making use of this particular fuel there were pools of molten metal for a week afterwards.
Like getting caught between an Iroc and a Z.
He threw Iraq and Iran.
Even with that crappy 289 I'd still take one over a Mustang.
It was a 302. The 289 was built by FoMoCo. A HelluvaEngineer should know this.
Say what again? Is this the 9/11 where we blamed the whole thing on towel-headed dirt farmers living in caves? Seems plausible.
"And these blast points, too accurate for Sandpeople. Only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise."
Barry's lovin' it! Thank you sir, may I have another?
caught between Reggie and a hard place
Caught between the Wookie and a headboard!
Problem Solved:
Holdy just got to Ferguson and had his pipes cleaned and his ass roto-routered. He feels good. I guess he is going to make a speech or something. Barry & Holdy think the people just want to be heard and get a speech.
Drip acid from above, call it Putin piss.
Can hardly wait for the next big terror attack to get everyone on board with bombing ISIS. Should be any day now...
Afghanistan Mujahedeen in 1980's>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Taliban>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Al Qaeda>>>>>>>>>>>>ISIS
Catalysts for the Afghan Mujahedeen was the USA (CIA) and Pakistan Secret Service, called ironically, ISS.
War without end, amen.
Never forget Mr. Tim Osman rip Dec. 2001.
Looks like an under-stuffed Oreo cookie. Janet Yellen, moar creamy fiat center please.
Kinda looks like yeah... It looks like barry caught in Jamie Dimonds Butt Cheeks.
Seriously. How many Americans died because of terrorism before 9/11 and how many after? (with all the wars). 9/11 & these wars had nothing to do with terrorism. Unless you consider yhe U.S. Gov't itself a terrorist organization.
Well Er... they cause Terrorism and provide Equipment & Funding to Terrorist.
CIA Analysts seem to think US Action directly lead to increases in Anger and Motivation to Fight in Terrorist Organizations = Thus Creating Terrorism through Global War On Terrorism. (Special Mention to Rendition, Guantanamo & Drone Strikes)
Kinda like the War on Drugs making drugs much more valuable and worth killing for. (See Mexico recent history)
You're 100 times more likely to be killed by a local fascist cop than a radical islamist.
Notice the subtle reinforcement of the 9/11 narrative.
9/11-Israeli Job? Means,Motive,Opportunityhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-tUV0cnyv8&list=UUttU-lPuKrF73VJzvgjGdZg
911-Conspiracy Finally Solved!: Names, Connections, Motives, 911Matrix of Details Exposed!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdE1Cwnymzc
It's a good thing there is no statue of limitations for murder. There is a statue of liberty though.
If we're SO smart and SO exceptional, how did we get into this mess? Yoggi Berra sums up our foreign policy -
'It's Deja Vu All Over Again'...and ..."The future ain't what it used to be."
and..."We made the wrong mistake."
The cartoon is feeble. Not even funny. English newspaper cartoons are far more trenchant.
The US press online is so lame.....
Stupid cartoon. Why?
What is it saying?
It's saying that the pain the US/uncle Sam is feeling is in part due to the "PRE 911 Mindset". Hmm, So what was this "Pre 911 Mindset". Maybe that pre 911 we valued our constitution more, maybe that pre 911 we did not have a hard on for a police state, etc...
So, yeah, stupid cartoon.