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St.Louis PD Release 'Suicide-By-Cop' Shooting Clip

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As we noted previously, just days after the fatal shooting of Mike Brown in Ferguson, a 2nd officer-involved shooting ended in death for the suspect just miles from Ferguson. St.Louis Police Department - in the interests of transparency -  have released video of both the alleged shoplifting and the so-called 'suicide-by-cop' shooting itself of 25-year-old Kajieme Powell.."Powell approached the officers when they arrived, yelling at them to shoot him already. When he ignored commands to drop the knife, the two officers fired a total of 12 shots."

 

As St.Louis public radio reports,

Powell was suspected of shoplifting energy drinks and donuts from a convenience store. The shop owner, believing that Powell was carrying a weapon, contacted police.

Another witness, Ald. Dionne Flowers, who represents the area and owns a beauty salon in the same block, noticed that Powell was acting erratically and also called police. Flowers told police she saw a second knife, though only one was recovered at the scene.

Powell approached the officers when they arrived, yelling at them to shoot him already.

When he ignored commands to drop the knife, the two officers fired a total of 12 shots. Chief Sam Dotson said the knife was like a steak knife.

The security camera footage of the alleged shoplifting. 

Cell phone footage of the shooting itself (the police start around 1:00)
Note: this contains both graphic language and violence.

The St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department said it will act with complete transparency.

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We also note that AG Holder has already left Ferguson - having met with Mike Brown's family.

And, as Bloomberg reports,

A grand jury will begin hearing evidence tomorrow in the police shooting death of Ferguson, Missouri, teenager Michael Brown, as violent clashes continued in the St. Louis suburb.

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Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:47 | 5123690 loonyleft
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I see you watched the video and have changed your wording from CHARGED to approached. 

I agree he did approach the officers. 

Yes they have every right to fire. Nobody is arguing that point. 

You are veering into the straw man argument because you have little to say. 

The point is there were alternatives. The guy was not 'attacking' the police. He walked in their direction and was shot. 

I gave an aternate scenario. Watch it. It could easily have been the same for the police, but like you said, why bother? Why try? Why risk themselves? 

I know you are a happy with their actions. I am not. Simple as that. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:09 | 5123777 90's Child
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Loony count your lose and move on, your arguement isn't valid. Plain and simple.

Yes I saw the video and to me it looked like he charged, either way the cops were in the right, you can't argue that.

So please go specualte in another thread if I have the time I'll be sure to debase any arguement you have.

 

Thanks

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:16 | 5123817 loonyleft
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gotta go. You fail. 

You change your words from charge to approach. It's clearly evident he never charged them.

You say the suspect was 2-3 feet away, when clearly it was much more.

I only argue these points to show that when you say 'you aren't taking sides' well you really are and were. 

Unfortunately you are too stupid to read and comprehend. Try re reading the posts instead of being a dickhead. I have repeatedly said the cops are allowed to do what they did. The laws are specifically written to allow this. You seem happy with those rules, I am not. 

How is that not a valid argument? I guess because it doesn't agree with you. 

There are alternative ways to deal with these situations and I showed you a video of one. The police could eaily use other methods and done things differently but they choose not to.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:34 | 5123869 90's Child
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Again read before you speculate you stupid fuck haha.

You are no contender. ZH reported on this yesterday. I, unlike you didn't speculate what happened I read what was reported by multiple people. You on the other hand saw a amateurs video and assume it was facts. You stated you saw a revolver yet police aren't issued those and if they are it's on request.

Again go back and read the report by zerohedge and it clearly states two - three feet from eye witness accounts.

Your stupid ignorant speculation isn't valid in ZH, you may be able to convince the sheeple you are informed but clearly behind your mask of intelligence is a fool.

Serfs up sucka! Haha

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 09:13 | 5124630 nostromo17
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Having the right to fire does not imply the need to fire and giving cops this right when there are alternatives (or should be alternatives see elsewhere here)...A lack of intelligence seems to be yours since you fail to understand the conversation going on. You would just prefer he was killed in cold blood be honest brains. 90's children just as I have long suspected are ignorant perhaps in part by a failure to read much during their education...

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 08:23 | 5124451 loonyleft
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it's the next morning and I wasn't going to respond but just thought this was a funny comment.

PLEASE QUIT SPECULATING AND SPECULATE HOW YOU WOULD HAVE HANDLED THE SITUATION. 

And I was trying to discuss this with you. My bad. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:22 | 5123548 FredFlintstone
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You saw "revolvers"?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:25 | 5123568 90's Child
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Lol Fred +1 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:03 | 5123448 cougar_w
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My dad was a cop on patrol for 15 years. He trained cops for 20 fucking years. He was a cop in Vietnam with the State Department. He ran an armed security outfit for 10 years. I helped out on the firing range. We talked about police work all the time, he was always pointing out good and bad police conduct my entire life.

Don't tell me I'm ignorant about police work and training I've probably already forgotten more about police work than you will ever know.

Your "friend" sounds like a psycopath to me. Police have no rights above citizens. None. Period. They have responsibilities to maintain the peace and protect people from accidents and from each other. That's it. No rights that I don't have, everything they do involving deadly force is subject to immediate administrative review and if indicated legal prosecution under the law.

You pissed me off. You really did. I hope you die in a hail of unjustified gunfire you cowardly peice of degenerate crap.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:14 | 5123494 90's Child
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Lol you clearly didn't learn shit from your father.

Please tell me where it states that a cop isn't allowed to jusifity deadly force with a knife from two - three feet. Or better yet, find me a case in court where another person shot and killed some one in self defense from a knife attacker and was found guilty.

That's right you can't.

Consider going back to the kitchen, your linear cunt minded views are ignorant and you only strengthen my arguement.

 

"POLICE HAVE NO RIGHTS ABOVE CIVILIANS"

Guess what, civilians have the right to defend themselves from deadly force. Same as any cop out there.

 

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:23 | 5123558 TheMeatTrapper
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"I hope you die in a hail of unjustified gunfire you cowardly peice of degenerate crap."

I'm sure your father would be proud.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:25 | 5123573 cougar_w
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He was the one told me in the end -- stay away from cops.

He knew what was coming. All this.

So yeah, maybe he would be.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:18 | 5123528 IShoutLOUDER
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You're insane. Absolutely insane.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:18 | 5123529 Professorlocknload
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" but it some one at close range has a knife it is more deadly than a gun "

Yeah, whatever,,,

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:18 | 5123822 defender
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actually, that is fairly accurate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xpcrDzy344

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 09:09 | 5124617 nostromo17
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Was really walking not charging. Knife was down. Clearly nuts with the "shoot me" and perhaps cops in general need more skills. ANd no probably just a knife? don't need to shoot him to stay safe.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:35 | 5123294 Kirk2NCC1701
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In 'Merica you don't mouth off to Cops, or they gun you down like a dog.

What am I saying.. they don't gun down dogs in 'Merica.  They treat them like... humans.

Still waiting for the Guillotines to roll.  Tick, Tock.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:28 | 5123585 Professorlocknload
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True,,,if the cops set the example, the rest will follow.

If it's assumed an approaching cop is likely to blow one away, what is one out, to just shoot first? What would he have to lose?

And the message is out there now. Can't undo that.

Offensive police work makes for defensive subjects.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:40 | 5123325 Toxicosis
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Saves on ECT treatment.  I mean if someone says shoot me, well you do it.  All you need is a total disregard for common sense and a lack of situational awareness and voila....another dead civilian.  But shit according to the cops "Shoot em all, and let god sort them out"!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:02 | 5123450 runswithscissors
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kill some crazy dude and get a few days off with pay? that's a win-win for the cops

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:08 | 5123473 Toxicosis
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Ain't that the truth.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:35 | 5123635 TeethVillage88s
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Was this Photo Shopped?

Just reflecting on UK Punk movements.

I guess it is like Zen, you have to empty your mind... well like the guy that says kill me...@&%$#

Sid Vicious - I Wanna Be Your Dog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeVTcYYdKN0

Why do u think Pumks arose in the UK?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnmKFn2a-AQ

The Clash - London Calling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfK-WX2pa8c

Washington Calling... Coming Soon.

Sid Vicious - Chinese Rocks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhkNTOy-BXI&index=17&list=RDAeVTcYYdKN0

President Barak Obama's "Domestic Policy" Fully Informed by the CIA, FBI, NSA, All the Military Services, the Big Wall Street Banks, his financial Adviser, him Mum, his father, and his many Religious Advisers and Astrologers:

I am an Antichrist
I am an anarchist
don't know what I want but
I know how to get it
I wanna destroy passerby

'Cause I wanna be anarchy

"God Bless You & God Speed, President Barak Obama, Sir".

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:09 | 5123783 Sam Spade
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I look forward to the toxicology report.  I suspect the deceased was not mentally ill, but high as a kite.  He was likely playing a cocky, drug-induced game in his own head and he lost.  I'm afraid I'm not going to miss him.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:28 | 5123858 bigrooster
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News flash...coming at cops with a knife and shouting "shoot me" in an already tense geographic area is not a smart thing to do.  Get a grip ZH guys this dude was asking to be shot.  I hate the bad cops as much as the next guy, but put yourself in their shoes.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 09:05 | 5124598 SAT 800
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Putting myself firmly in their shoes; I do not find any necesity to open fire on this individual, nor would any normal, moral, human being. Knives in the open air situation they had there are not impressive weapons. they have clubs, mace, etc.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 09:07 | 5124602 nostromo17
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In their shoes no one else threatened they could have got back in the vehicle and thought over what to do next....at minimum.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 07:24 | 5124309 jughead
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It may be more merciful that forcing addiction to drugs for the rest of his life, which seems to be the standard treatment anymore. 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 09:03 | 5124587 SAT 800
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It's amazing. Just think of all the rational, normal, human responses they could make; instead they open fire. Why? It's crazy. The whole fuckin country is crazy. Whose training these "peace officers"? This is bullshit.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:13 | 5123162 TeamDepends
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Or energy drinks or donuts?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:47 | 5123367 TeamDepends
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The point we are trying to make is that everyone who is "an adult" knows that stealing is wrong. So if you decide to take the plunge, go BIG! Why risk so much for so little? Start a Federal Reserve, or at the very, very least steal a truckload of steaks, you know, something that will last more than a couple hours.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:31 | 5123226 garypaul
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I can't believe the anti-police sentiment I'm reading here on ZH. This incident is the exact opposite of the Trayvon case. The man charged police with a weapon. Whether the man was crazy or not, I don't think the cops had much choice.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:34 | 5123292 CH1
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Whether the man was crazy or not, I don't think the cops had much choice.

They had lots of choices: everything from mace to tasers to a stick on the back of the head. All are far less extreme than 12 bullets.

But they don't care.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:32 | 5123621 Professorlocknload
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Well, they have uniforms and military hardware now, so that makes 'em automatic heroes in this Brave New World of terrorized little people.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:35 | 5123300 TheMeatTrapper
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People that want to bring a taser to a knife fight have no idea what a man with a knife is capable of. When you pull out a knife, and charge at someone screaming "shoot me" - don't get your panties in a wad when you actually get shot. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:44 | 5123354 CH1
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What part of "crazy" don't you understand?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:46 | 5123372 Toxicosis
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And what part of the leg did they miss with the first few shots.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:51 | 5123393 NemoDeNovo
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Pepper spray, CS Gas or whatever is a MotherFu(%#R, usually a better choice then Hot Lead IMO, if your job is actually "To Protect & Serve".  But what do I know, I'm only a SnakeEater.

 

De Opresso Liber - bitchez

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:33 | 5123626 IShoutLOUDER
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Someone should have told these guys. Oops

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 09:06 | 5124599 nostromo17
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True enough.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:11 | 5123787 potato
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The police came looking for a fight. They could have de-escalated by getting in their vehicle and driving away until backup arrived. You are very stupid to think the way you think.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:11 | 5123788 potato
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The police came looking for a fight. They could have de-escalated by getting in their vehicle and driving away until backup arrived. You are very stupid to think the way you think.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 09:05 | 5124596 nostromo17
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Didn't exactly charge and they sure moved in unsafely close to start with. Its not anti-cop here is just cops that are footloose and fancy free about killing people when there could be other alternatives no one seems to bother to pursue. Also this quick to kill the citizen thing can backfire as citizens knowing this may become quicker to kill cops.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:40 | 5123332 williambanzai7
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Let me assure you, the HK police subdued this guy without a single shot fired.

 

 

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Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:45 | 5123362 Toxicosis
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Now that's one classy citizen right there.  Obviously not too bothered about carrying that machete, and if the police handled that expertly and with a little negotiation, and no-one was injured, all the better.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:12 | 5123500 Theta_Burn
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The way they handle it in California....

Unarmed...

On a woman...

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/chp-says-officer-may-face-serious-beating-charges

 

 

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:40 | 5123655 Professorlocknload
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For crick,
as a contractor, I've walked along a sidewalk downtown with a machete bigger than that one to cut back a hedge to allow repair on the walk.

Guess in St. Louis I might have needed armed guards to protect me from the cops.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:53 | 5123719 ShakaZulu
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YOu KnOw I wouLd GivE YoU The shIrT oFF My BacK Banz!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 08:02 | 5124390 Majestic12
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Ah, but where is the fun in that when you can shoot him with a tank round...for "brandishing a knife"...no, "brandishing a Fucking knife"....

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:35 | 5123634 booboo
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are we allowed to watch this without the "terrorist" label? Can't be to careful these days!!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 07:47 | 5124366 Majestic12
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"I've seen the future, baby, it is murder"....yeah Leonard Cohen is a jew, but one of the few with redeeming qualities...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:07 | 5123137 A Nanny Moose
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Not to vindicate any looters, but the State's only talent it murder. /Gag reflex

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:10 | 5123154 kchrisc
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From history one learns that government, being a criminal syndicate, can only produce poverty, misery, death, and lies. All evidence to the contrary is an illusion and temporary.

An American, not US subject.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:23 | 5123209 A Nanny Moose
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amen! I have this discussion with many, ever day. A few sorta get it, but respond with "that's just how it is."

For the rest, there is .....the reckoning to come. .....sadly

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:32 | 5123276 Herd Redirectio...
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Because most (of society, period) are not business owners or operators, they think in terms of "What can the government do fo' me?"

If they realized what the gov't was doing to THEM, and to small business owners (regulatory burden!) they might 'get it', and understand its not about what MORE can the gov't do for you.

Offshoring of jobs, rising rents and food prices, most 'folk' have no clue what to make of it all. All they know is that they have a 'Benevolent Billionaire Grandfather' named Uncle Sam.  And you don't get, if you don't ask.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:25 | 5123843 kchrisc
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Good thoughts, but the biggest problem we, the American people, have is obedience.

And Offshoring and all of that begins and ends with the Rothschild FedRes and their pol and crat puppets in DC.

An American, not US subject.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 01:41 | 5124087 Tall Tom
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Since you are in Missouri and it is your backyard...what do you think about your state police...er...police state?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 07:57 | 5124379 Majestic12
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Did you know that aside from originating from the ancient Egyptian (Khemet) sun god Amun/Amin/ Amen Ra, meaning “the hidden God” and thus, the phrase “Amen”- “Let it remain hidden/secret”...?  As a mantra said daily by millions...think of the quantum energy it generates and keeps the veil over all...by granting permission to the overlords....

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:08 | 5123139 alexcojones
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TWO Redeeming Things We Learned from Ferguson?

Neocon Police State & Liberal FSA Victimology

Both EPIC FAIL

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:22 | 5123203 cougar_w
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But of the two only one is legally armed and licensed to commit murder at-will.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:31 | 5123277 disabledvet
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My recommendation to POTUS would be to send in nobody.  Clearly there is no shortage of firepower.

On either side....

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:38 | 5123311 cougar_w
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Either side ... that is just sad. Please wake the fuck up -- the cops have armored-fucking-cars, grenades, full-body armor and auto-weapons.

Anything else you think might be going on  is propaganda and I'm not going to put up with any of that shit while I still have a functioning keyboard.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:46 | 5123360 edotabin
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A cop on a bicycle could have done this.  This has nothing to do with what the cops have and everything to do with what they do not have: The cognitive ability/desire/training to respond in a commensurate fashion.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:32 | 5123615 db51
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 wake the fuck up -- the cops have armored-fucking-cars, grenades, full-body armor and auto-weapons   

Uh Yeah....because they are protecting themselves from violent thugs, knife wielding assailants, gang bangers with Uzi's, potential terrorists, and lawbreaking criminals.    They ain't going to work at 7-11....of fuck,....they need that kind of protection there too

One of my best friends father, an Illinois State Policeman was executed with a .38 in the head on a routine traffic stop back when they used to bring the perp and sit him down in the front seat while writing the ticket.  that was in 1970.   These officers of the law put themselves in harm's way every day dealing with domestic violence, robberies, and out of control drugged up fucks with weapons.   There are two dead stupid violent men who met their maker this past week in St. Louis.   I don't know about your functioning keyboard, but maybe you should wait to post again when you have a functioning brain.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 01:37 | 5124084 cougar_w
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Not a convincing argument from 1970. This isn't Mayberry and cops are not sitting down with anyone ever for anything. Kill from a distance, and the more lead in the air the better.

Not a happy recipe. They are absolutely going to burn for it.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:53 | 5123397 Everyman
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They should have "armed themsleves".

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:52 | 5123400 flacon
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Drop the "NeoCon[servative]" label; Bush has been out of office for half a decade alreeady. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:00 | 5123439 loonyleft
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GW Bush was never a neocon, just an idiot. Neocons are alive and well. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:09 | 5123140 kchrisc
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I'd bet my hat the gun and badge thugs will bill his family for "services rendered."

An American, not US subject.

 

"Why yes officer, that IS a guillotine in my backyard. Would you like to "see" it?!"

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:56 | 5123377 edotabin
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Officer: "No!" ---- BANG!

EDIT: Officer: ----BANG! BANG! BANG!

 

I suppose the /sarc tag goes without saying but in this fucked up world you gotta CYA or else BANG!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:08 | 5123142 himaroid
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Dino De Laurentis

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:09 | 5123147 Yellowhoard
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It's like wave after wave of retarded Kamikazes.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:50 | 5123214 cougar_w
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You mean the cops right? Because they are definitely committing cultural and legal ritual suicide at this point.

Edit: sorry if you ZH law-n-order pukes can't handle it, but these cops are in more hot water than they will ever survive. The next 3 years are going to be one painful continuous ass-reaming for all these departments. They are going to be bleeding non-stop, starting now. Most of the officers will simply resign rather than undergo what is in store them. I hope they never wear a badge again, not any of them. I hope they end up as unarmed mall security rent-a-cops threatening teenagers for chewing gum. I hope they go bankrupt, lose their wives and their homes, live in their van for a month and only then become rent-a-cops.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:53 | 5123402 TheMeatTrapper
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I'm no fan of cops, but it will be funny to watch you handle the niggers on your own. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:05 | 5123467 cougar_w
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Shut up loser, I can handle a crowd just fine. Any black person want's my attention, we can talk. And talk solves just about 99.9% of the problems you seem to think I'm going to have.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:11 | 5123493 Toxicosis
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Please stop being so non-aggressive.   Don't you see, lots of ZH's love their guns, violence and aggression.  It's testosterone city.  Talking, talking, we don't do friggin talking, we do friggin killing, wheeze love the killing.  I agree if someone's is trying to harm you, you must get them to stop.  Is shooting them dead the answer, only in extreme circumstances.  With two cops, no they could and should have also handled this much better.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:18 | 5123534 FredFlintstone
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Look, the two sissies are fighting with words.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:26 | 5123574 TheMeatTrapper
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lol - Talk? How's mom's basement? Comfy?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:31 | 5123603 cougar_w
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I tossed a fat guy waving a Bible off the lightrail today for acting crazy and scaring passengers with his bullshit diatribe. I was hoping he would come at me so I could beat him until he puked blood. But no joy.

What's your record today, Nancy? You stood for anything lately?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:43 | 5123664 FredFlintstone
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Sounds like he might have had mental issues and may have needed someone to talk to. You should have accommodated him. I am disappointed in your lack of humanity.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:46 | 5123683 fonzannoon
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Cougar it sounds like you advocate excessive force, but only when it's you.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:11 | 5123789 cougar_w
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Notice I didn't shoot him 12 times.

To your point, a sound beating is sometimes therapeutic. People do forget who they really are.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:14 | 5123806 cougar_w
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I didn't beat him, but put him off the train. I would have beat him given a chance, but it wasn't required.

Situation handled.

Next...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:40 | 5123646 db51
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You need some counselling Cougar.   Don't know what is with your cop hating ass....maybe you have Daddy issues that are unresolved. ....or maybe you just need to get laid...your Cougar handle speaks volumes about your self image.   

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:13 | 5123794 cougar_w
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I don't hate cops at all. I hate thugs. If there are a lot of thugs on PD these days that's not my fault.

Hope that helps.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:30 | 5123588 American Dreams
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TMT - I cant even begin to thank you for the knowledge you share with your website, much appreciated to say the very least.  But man you need to spend some time away from your traps and in the urban jungle, it will help you survive whats coming our way.  Black nigga, white nigga, I think cougar can handle herself just fine but me thinks you might just be in a bit over your head if you had to "handle them on your own."

Know your enemy

AD

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 00:14 | 5123969 SgtShaftoe
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Absolutely what should happen cougar.  May Karma shit in their cheereos. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:11 | 5123148 NihilistZero
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Sgt Murtaugh would have shot him in the leg.  I mean 12 shots and the guy only had a knife???

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:20 | 5123194 Manthong
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Riggs would have stuck his gun in his mouth, rushed the guy and disarmed him.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:28 | 5123248 Professorlocknload
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Obviously, they are going to have to start calling in air strikes and artillery in future. 12 rounds just aren't going to make petty shoplifters dead enough.

WTF, over?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:38 | 5123319 Kirk2NCC1701
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What would McCloud, Dirty Harry, the Terminator, Rambo or the Texas Ranger have done?

Or Cagney & Lacey, or Starsky & Hutch?  Or the Assassins in Pulp Fiction?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:12 | 5123499 ThroxxOfVron
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"What would McCloud, Dirty Harry, the Terminator, Rambo or the Texas Ranger have done?

Or Cagney & Lacey, or Starsky & Hutch?  Or the Assassins in Pulp Fiction?"

We would have had a tasty Royal With Cheese, talked about divine intervention, quoted bible passages in a thunderous voice; mopped up Marvin's brains with the Wolf, and danced the night away high as shit with the boss's wife...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:12 | 5123151 Cognitive Dissonance
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Have no fear folks. It was a "good" police shooting because the 'perp' was acting 'crazy' and asked to be shot. I promise. Cross my heart and hope to die.

<But not death-by-cop please if I'm wrong.>

Always remember folks. Not 'obeying' a 'lawful order' by police is grounds for on-the-spot execution.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:42 | 5123221 cougar_w
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"Get out of the car sir"

"Uh ... why?"

<bang>

 

Edit: I sorta had this experience once. Random trarffic stop (I mean, completely random, unless there was some kind of robbery just went down) they pulled me out of my car, held me on the sidewalk with my hands restrained behind my back, and searched my car. I was amused enough at the time to let them do whatever they wanted and just watched them work. I will never forget that. Bad move guys, I'm onto you now, and you probably don't want this for an enemy.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:10 | 5123152 nah
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shoot me now ?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:10 | 5123153 Neethgie
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The camera guy and the nearby people talking like it was some sort of police brutality, guy stole then walked over with a knife got shot, don't mess about with weapons

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:14 | 5123166 Cognitive Dissonance
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I agree. There is only one way to deal with (a crazy) someone with a knife. 9-10 bullets center mass.

/sarc in case it isn't obvious

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:27 | 5123189 fonzannoon
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CD I don't know what to think anymore except that the world is just a fucked up place. On one hand that seemed to be a job for a taser, on the other, one lesson my parents never had to teach me was not to commit a crime and then scream at the police to shoot me. That's about as far as I get with this. They may have to start the NFL a week early.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:27 | 5123240 Cognitive Dissonance
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We all knew the system was coming apart and many were expecting it to begin long before now. Yet that knowledge doesn't seem to help, and may actually hinder us, as the process picks up speed. Awareness fatigue. Psychologically speaking sometimes it is better to be shocked by, then waiting for, the inevitable.

Shades of the late 60's and early 70's. History be rhyming loud and clear.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:29 | 5123261 fonzannoon
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"Shades of the late 60's and early 70's. History be rhyming loud and clear."

Man I hope so. We get a little inflation, raise interest rates and off we go with a another 30 year debt fueled boom. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:46 | 5123315 Pure Evil
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One cop with a taser the other with a gun. They should have tased him the minute they got out of the car before giving him any chance to charge.

If he was high on PCP and continued to charge even though tased, then yes, shoot to kill, some of those PCP heads can't be brought down with just taser alone.

They don't feel pain and somehow develop super strength. I've seen a video of a PCP head walking around with his intestines hanging out of his abdomen. And the guy had no idea he had ripped his abdomen wide open.

I've seen other videos where the PCP head was knocking cop after cop down while running down the street nakid.

What a lot of people may not realize is that PCP is once again a scourge of the inner cities. Its in liquid form and they soak cigarettes with it. The druggies smoke the cigarette and go berserk.

We're asking these cops to deal with this shit on a daily basis in the inner cities. How many people want to deal with gang bangers, drug cartel members, druggies hopped up on all types of drugs from synthetics like PCP to meth in the inner cities?

Shooting people is not the answer, but has anyone come up with a different answer. Certainly not anyone from D.C., that's for sure. They even want to add more to the inner cities by bringing more losers in from the 3rd world.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:58 | 5123425 TheMeatTrapper
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How many feet can a man cover in one second? When you start talking about one guy tasers and then the other guy shoots if the taser doesn't work, you need to think about how close he was when the weapon was produced. 

If a man is within 20 feet of you, there simply is no time to do all that. He will cut you to ribbons before your pre determined protocol can be implemented. Body armor does not stop a blade. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:37 | 5123576 Pure Evil
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I don't disagree with anything you posted. And, my scenario would be the optimal one. But, since both cops more than likely arrived in separate cruisers there was propably no real way to agree ahead of time who would pull the taser and who would pull the pistol.

Tragically, at the back of their minds was the thought that this guy could be whacked out on PCP or some other synthetic drugs like Molly or bath salts that can drive some users into totally violent psychotic rages.

You couldn't pay me enough to go deal with that crap.

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:50 | 5123704 himaroid
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One less asshole for next weeks patrol. But there is still a never ending supply.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:52 | 5123714 himaroid
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No trial, no hospital, no more welfare, no more illegitimate kids, no more asshole.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:15 | 5123808 potato
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Of course, the obvious solution to that possibility is to GET OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR AND START SHOOTING

/s

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:48 | 5123383 himaroid
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I really needed a descriptive term for this shit. "Awareness fatigue". EXACTLY.

Thanks.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:20 | 5123193 Cangaroo.TNT
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Cops was like dude be cra cra.  And he black so he prolly gots da Ebola or da aids.  So dey don be takin no chances.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:57 | 5123416 I am a Man I am...
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so funny and so wrong

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:36 | 5123641 Neethgie
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Guess they should have given him on the spot group councilling whilst he was saying "shoot me" could all have ended in hugs and kumbayah in all the four seconds they had to initiate councilling.... Guy knew what he was doing, your blaming the train driver for someone else jumping.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:34 | 5123295 edotabin
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The idea is that they should act in a fashion commensurate to the crime. Both of them firing at him like that it was as if someone opened up on him with a machine gun. They have tasers. They could have shot him 1-2 times in the legs to immobilize him.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:36 | 5123629 Pure Evil
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The truth is unless you're willing to go into some of these inner cities and face down some of these people high on drugs. And, we're not talking about weed or heroin or cocaine or even crack. PCP and other synthetic drugs like Molly or bath salts or even meth can make these people extremely violent and dangerous to deal with.

Its rather easy to sit in your safe white suburban home and judge how it should be done instead of actually putting yourself on the line dealing with the gang bangers, the cartel drug dealers, and the drugged out zombies roaming the inner cities.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:18 | 5123779 edotabin
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I have gone on "ride alongs" in a major city quite a few times.  I never questioned that there are times when a very aggressive stance is required. I actually am for the cops having the military style equipment. That forces me to assume/hope they know when to use it and how to use it.

I would have found this excessive no matter where I was sitting.

Moreover, people should realize that when they sign up to be cops, they are signing up to the mop and broom of society. Despite what is shown in movies and chicks liking uniforms or whatever, signing up to be the cleanup crew means that you will encounter bad elements.

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:14 | 5123170 jm
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So put the knife down! Guess the guy was doing a one-man Hamas impression. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:19 | 5123187 Star Jonestown
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This is f*cking bullsh*t.  

Trigger happy a**holes shooting to kill.  

STL is going to end up paying for this one way or the other.  Most recent precedent:  http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-la-to-pay-5-million-to-corve...

How many ways can we go bankrupt at one time? 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:23 | 5123210 homiegot
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Textbook use of deadly force. You got nuthin'.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:31 | 5123281 Caveman93
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What's really going to be neat...the next time Jeb hits that concrete with an errant round that ricochets and drills a 3 month old female infant through her skull and the mother has to wipe her newborn’s exploded brains off of her. That will be a great YouTube Video won’t ya say?

 

Whoever took that cell video was damn lucky. I don’t even think officers know what “line-of-site” means.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:04 | 5123455 FredFlintstone
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Ricochet off concrete? Maybe a bb pellet, not a hollow point.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:44 | 5123667 booboo
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Just this week Orlando, Fl Cops plugged a 21 year old female sitting in a bar when they opened up on a nut with a gun outside the bar. He took one to the leg, she bled out in a few seconds. News claimed the bullet did it. Bad bullet!!!

http://mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:20 | 5123197 homiegot
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A tip: Don't fuck with cops. You will lose every time.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:25 | 5123227 cougar_w
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Define "fuck with" because I've got a bad feeling about this.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:48 | 5123381 NemoDeNovo
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It is with a heavy heart that I keep telling people that we are so far past a 'peaceful' solution my only hope is that the blood is ONLY ankle deep with this really gets going.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:00 | 5123432 TheMeatTrapper
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"Define "fuck with" because I've got a bad feeling about this."

ZFuck with means steal another mans property, then pull a knife and charge another man screaming "shoot me". Does that answer your question?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:08 | 5123477 cougar_w
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no

that is a situation. it does not define "fuck with" and that was my point

sorry for going over your head, sparky. I do that a lot around here.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:28 | 5123589 TheMeatTrapper
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So you're reduced to complimenting yourself know, huh? That must suck.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:34 | 5123631 cougar_w
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It's really a drag I wish people weren't such fuck-wits all the time. No challenge at all. Hardly worth my time really. I only do it for the opportunity to demonstrate that people are basically silly, when you come down to it.

Thank you for playing.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:29 | 5123590 TheMeatTrapper
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So you're reduced to complimenting yourself now, huh? That must suck.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:41 | 5123330 edotabin
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A tip: Don't fuck with cops. You will lose every time.

If you do this a few times you will have the effect you described.  If you do it one time too many, you wind up with the exact opposite effect. People boil over and simply do not care anymore. Have you ever heard the term "cornered"? 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:21 | 5123199 monopoly
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12 bullets. 12 from two cops. What the fuck is going on in that state. And the bad guy had a steak knife. Man, if were not the laughing stock of the entire world before, we sure are now. Pathetic excuse for "keepers of the peace".

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:22 | 5123204 Ass. Manager
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I was with the cops until the last two shots. He was on the ground, face down. Those last two were over the top.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:21 | 5123205 p00k1e
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about the unrest in Ferguson (sic)

Michael Corleone: I saw a strange thing today. Some rebels were being arrested. One of them pulled the pin on a grenade. He took himself and the captain of the command with him. Now, soldiers are paid to fight; the rebels aren't.

Hyman Roth: What does that tell you?

Michael Corleone: They could win.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:24 | 5123216 rsnoble
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Gee I wasn't the first to say 12 fucking shots?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:26 | 5123234 cougar_w
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You were not. Everyone gets it now. These cops are raging degenerates.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:56 | 5123926 mercy
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The 12 shots are what led me to this story.  Not some crazy ass with a knife  asking to be killed.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:27 | 5123224 db51
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I think they need to issue those nets you shoot out of a cannon like they use on Wild Kingdom when they're subding wild animals.....or better yet....how about some of those animal control darts like vets use.   Take away all the guns from police and issue them these new crime fighting weapons.....Think about it,  lay out some Swisher Sweet Cigarellos or a donut for bait and fire away.....no wait.  My bad....a cop might get snared with the donut idea.  

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:39 | 5123323 cn13
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"Wild Kingdom"?  Loved it but you are showing your age (and mine).

100+ point bonus to whoever can name the "voice" aka the narrarator of "WK"!

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:57 | 5123423 Professorlocknload
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Marlin Perkins

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:26 | 5123228 nmewn
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Squirrels!!!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:48 | 5123382 Yes_Questions
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but my bills for essentials have moar than doubled.

 

shouldn't I wonder why?

 

I like squirrels and all, but WTF?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:25 | 5123229 Caveman93
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Cops are incredible pussies today. My wife came me with a knife once and was disarmed rather quickly. Once her meds kicked in, all was well. No cops were called. I mean WTF?

So, scared pussy cops + military hardware - proper training of any kind + low substandard IQ + Flouride / 2 billion rounds of ammunition * petro dollar death =  ????

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:36 | 5123308 FieldingMellish
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+ a dozen donuts per day and 12 cups of coffee.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:26 | 5123232 cn13
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He said "Shoot Me!" holding a knife.

What would you do?

Cops don't come to work to die.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:27 | 5123245 cougar_w
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Call an ambulance?

Wait, are you even serious?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:30 | 5123270 cn13
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And then?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:10 | 5123485 cougar_w
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And then wait for the ambulance, and if there's trouble taze the guy for his own protection.

Why am I the only one around here understands this.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:46 | 5123369 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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I'd pull out my TASER and see if it worked the way TASER International specifications says it works. And if the TASER did not work I would get back in my cop car and lock the doors until mental health professionals arrived on scene.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:05 | 5123457 TheMeatTrapper
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You can't be serious. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:00 | 5123434 edotabin
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But they go to work to kill even when they don't have to?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:28 | 5123251 p00k1e
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The police sent that white kid in Utah to the clouds.  White folks don't have it in them:

 

 

 

Louis Armstrong - Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen (1962)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVKKRzemX_w

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:29 | 5123262 p00k1e
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Dark folks have

 

Lil Boosie - Heart Of A Lion

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEIhP-_gLXw

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:32 | 5123263 db51
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In all seriousness.  I'm thinking this dillweed had been watching Channel 5 news and seeing all his homies running around saying Hands Up, Don't shoot....but since he was probably high on Weed or dope during that segment, he got all confused and thought he was supposed to say Shoot Me....saw all the brothers with cell phone video running, figured this was a slam dunk for a big settlement after he got out of the hospital and the two cops were tried by Al Sharpton and Eric Holder.....a serious miscalulation for sure, and instead got a one way ticket off of planet earth.

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