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Congress Proposes Law Banning Body Armor In The Land Of The Free
Submitted by Simon Black via Sovereign Man blog,
By the late 1920s, Joseph Stalin became the unchallenged leader of the Soviet Union after having eliminated his opposition.
He topped it off in 1929 by serving a decisive blow to anyone that would dare to oppose him by outlawing private gun ownership in the country.
From that year on until 1953 when Stalin died, it’s estimated that more than 20 million Soviet citizens that were seen as a threat to the country’s leadership.
People were rounded up and either murdered outright, or sent to infamous gulag labor camps.
Stalin is an extreme case. But history is ripe with examples of governments which disarm their citizens, only to engage in serious oppression afterwards.
Communist China. Nazi Germany. Cambodia. Guatemala. Uganda. The list goes on and on. Pacification of the citizens is almost always a prerequisite to totalitarianism.
There have been a lot of attempts to disarm, or at least partially disarm, people in the US throughout history as well.
Each time there’s a major shooting somewhere, the chant to ban firearms grows louder.
But the latest proposal is especially telling.
H.R. 5344 is a bill currently going through Congress that would ban the purchase of body armor.
Violation would carry CRIMINAL penalties, including up to ten years in prison.
Many bullet-resistant items on the market now, such as bulletproof backpacks for school children, would be banned by this legislation.
This is incredible given that the legislation is all about banning something that is purely defensive.
Whatever your stance on firearms, I hope we can agree that it’s pretty damn difficult to hurt another human being with body armor.
People buy body armor for protection. That’s the point. Duh.
So why in the world would they want to ban it?
The government claims that “criminals and rampaging madmen” can “wreak havoc” while wearing body armor, and it’s important to shield police from these nefarious individuals.
Uh, wait a sec– you mean the same police that go around terrorizing ordinary citizens who aren’t breaking any laws whatsoever?
The same police who beat homeless people to death?
The same police who shoot and kill innocent animals in broad daylight in the middle of the street?
The same police who scream “I will f***ing kill you!” with their weapons trained on crowds of protestors exercising their constitutional rights?
Right. Those guys.
This is such a disgusting, yet unfortunately predictable, turn of events in the Land of the Free.
It’s enraging. It’s infuriating. And it’s so obvious: the country has become a giant police state. And the trend is not getting any better.
It’s time to set aside emotion. It’s time to set aside a lifetime of propaganda and programming telling you that you live in a free country.
It’s time to look at the objective evidence all around you.
They spy. They steal. They wage illegal wars. They authorize military detention of civilians. They assassinate citizens.
They intimidate. They terrorize. They torture. They suspend due process when it suits. They destroy anyone who challenges them.
And now they want to take away a non-violent means of protecting yourself.
This is our reality. And at a minimum, it’s time for rational, thinking people to come up with a Plan B. What’s yours?
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https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr5344#overview
Thats right.
the Land ot the Fleeced, and the home of the Slave.
Sauce for the goose, Mr. Savik . . . the odds would be even.
This is motherfucking crazy! But guess what, it will pass anyway. Those assholes don't care what we think and they get elected anyway. Something about corporations being people too. Fuck it all, The Simpsons marathon is on FXX
They could present it as a budget cut! No body armor = fewer bullets to murder citizens = less law enforcement spending! Win win, if you work for the government. But of course, the money saved would go straight to hundreds of bureaucrats freshly hired to oversee the implementation of this new law, leaving the taxpayer exactly where he is currently - posing in front of a gun.
As of 2013 - 14.6 million licensed hunters in the United States. My guess is many have scoped rifles and lots of them are .308 aka 30-06. Licensed hunter means they are licensed to hunt and kill animals often at a long distance.
http://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/Subpages/LicenseInfo/HuntingLicCertHistory20...
NY state alone has 581,401.
If the citizenry ever gets their shit together - then they might stop being slaves and serfs. Sadly I bet 70% of ZH are drooling morons who still watch TV and Hollywood's brainwashing bull shit.
The "first amoung equals" rides around in a 10 tonne seriously modified Cadilac called "The Beast". Will he be the first amoung equals to shed his armor? This method of disarming your enemy and then killing him is the same used on Sadam and is rather obvious.
Why not ban seat belts, steal toed work boots, safety glasses, gloves, soap, condoms, safeties on guns, hard hats, locks, fences, stop signs, rail way crossing signals, disinfection, more than 2 people talking together,
USSA if fucked.
They should just pass a law to make it illegal to murder people whilst wearing body armor. <=posted from camp leatherneck, Afghanistan.
Never in my life would I imagine a need for body armor...
...until now.
Yeah, why now?
'knock Knock...'
'Hi. We are from the Government, and we are here to kill you. '
Uh, wait a sec– you mean the same police that go around terrorizing ordinary citizens who aren’t breaking any laws whatsoever?
The same police who beat homeless people to death?
The same police who shoot and kill innocent animals in broad daylight in the middle of the street?
The same police who scream “I will f***ing kill you!” with their weapons trained on crowds of protestors exercising their constitutional rights?
The same Police who bust in wrong addresses while lobing flash grenades into baby cribs?
The same police who shoot an unarmed women with a baby in her car for running from the police in D.C.?
Feel free to add to the list, we can fill this page up in no time!!!!
Hey, they're cops. whadya expect? We give em guns and tell em to go get em. when we hire a gunman to protect us you got to figure eventually someone will pay them more to point the guns at us.
I think Simon really belongs at King World News rather than ZH.
Okay, so you are insulting Simon, King World News, or ZH?
Simon and KWN.
My problem with Simon is all he ever does is talk his book, i.e., "Everything's going
to collapse, run away (ideally to Chile with me), pay for my services, etc."
Fundamentally, he doesn't give a shit that everything is going to collapse, which
is part of the reason why it is, he's just looking to sell. He's essentially an Egor
von Greyerz mini-me but with a far inferior product.
Mike Krieger, on the other hand, does actually give a shit that everything
is falling apart, which is why Mike is a different class.
Any decent welder and make level III plates. Better stock up now. You can pickup a good set with a carrier vest on eBay cheap. The FEDS can fuck off if they think that I am turning mine in or registering it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COATED-BODY-ARMOR-SET-10x12s-6x6-SIDE-Plates-AR-...
Yeah, ebay is one of the better places to buy body armor
Body armor would cut into ObamaCare revenues.
Body armor is bullish live organs & conserves fresh blood. These congressmen don't know who their paymasters are.
Only criminals and terrorists want to defend themselves with body armor or guns - or use cash, or not be spied on, or not be audited by an activist I.R.S., or not be shipped off to a foreign entanglement benefiting the M.I.C.
I just got this on my phone
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has issued a bulletin drawing attention to an activist group’s plans for nationwide civil protests against the police shooting death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, MO. The group has called for a “National Day of Rage” for this evening at 7:00 p.m. to span 38 major U.S. cities. There will be a protest in Times Square
DHS facilitating flash mobs?
The FBI was too busy orchestrating "homegrown terror" attacks...........
Will they all be wearing body armor?
Interesting how ZH hasn't mentioned anything from the Police's side of the story yet. At least let the reader make up his mind on what to believe.
Police side of the story: We want a monopoly of force.
And a raise.......
It's kind of embarrassing to have to reload three times before killing the perp...er...terrorist.
I am pretty sure the police side is that they want to be able to shoot someone who is bum-rushing them after having crushed their eye-socket.
Secondly, I think they have every right to intervene in protests which include rioters. The point is simple, if you are going to march, don't riot. If you can't control your rioters, don't blame the police when they do it for you.
Shouldn't a day of rage begin in the morning?
Soo let me guess, white dairy farmers, small business owners and babysitters need to be rounded up by DHS
A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie (the middle class). -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
One of the basic conditions for the victory of socialism is the arming of the workers and the disarming of the bourgeoisie (the middle class). -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
One man with a gun can control 100 without one. -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
Destroy the family, you destroy the country. -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
See more at: http://thepeoplescube.com/lenin/lenin-s-own-20-monster-quotes-t185.html#sthash.yzJqSg77.dpuf
That ex-lawyer cum revolutionary sounds so sage and wise, the way you frame it.
Too bad he was such a murderous sociopath. Too much power for guys with big egos and small dicks.
Did any of you see anything about this in American media?
This is a Danish tabloid - but still credible.
Supposedly Ferguson police shot another unarmed man..?
http://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/samfund/article4976812.ece#comment=6762686
This fits the description of a shooting that took place yesterday or the day before. Hadn't seen the video though. Story is the guy had a knife--suicide by cop.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-20/stlouis-pd-release-suicide-cop-...
Thanks a lot!
I'm a bit surprised this didn't make it explode in Ferguson.
Right, people purchased more guns when they talked about banning guns ... now body armor.
psy op?
No need to purchase, make your own. These people are such dipshits.
It is easier to mass aim to the body. It takes skill to shoot at the head.
CPU or chassis. Power supply is usually well protected.
"I'll be back" isn't for tea.
Body armor is useless against either high powered hunting rifles or knives.
Just aim low kneepads/shin guards or not.
Do some basic research and you will find out you are mistaken.......
Provide some evidence or SHUT UP.
As usual, I am correct.
AR-500, dickweed.
Sucking the salesman's cock are you?
How many Sham-Wow's did he sell you?
Or are you one of those Wankerpedia experts who believes 5.56m NATO or 7.62mm (NATO or Russian) is a high powered round?
1) Exactly what AR-500 product are claiming is going to stop a high powered rifle round?
2) Exactly what AR-500 product offers protection against a knife for the vital target areas of the human body which are targeted in a knife attack (that would be the carotid and femoral arteries)?
Seems that most people shoot 556 or less. Guess than means we would be protected from most assailants, anecdotally speaking. That seems reasonable compared to no protection.
AR500 is knife resistant but in reality, it is on the wearer to be aware of their surroundings and not let the assailant get that close to begin with.
What do you want, a steel suit that can stop 20mm? Reasonable sounds better to me.
14.6 million licensed hunters in the USA. I bet a lot have scoped .308/30-06. I suggest everyone have one as a backup for distance work.
An end to all the bullshit... (that's asking a bit much, but why not ask for it?)
The controlled narrative has now oscillated from magical cop killer bullets that can pierce anything, and horrific black varmint (rodent) guns that enable a single deranged shooter to decimate an entire brigade of unarmed civilians to now: magical undergarments that can defeat those very same magical cop killer bullets and the horrific black mouse guns...
There are no magic guns, bullets, shields or pills, but the mystery (ignorance) allows the myths and controlled narratives to prevail in the interests of the Corporatocracy. An analogy from the slightly less mysterious world of social media, apps and iCrap might be some wizbang dating app that guarantees to get someone laid... and its corporate owners then IPOing the firm for a billion dollars... Sex is act between two (or more) hopefully consenting people, and no app can change or replace that fundamental truth, it can only facilitate it, and only to an extent dictated by the app's specific characteristics.
The guns, bullets, shields and pills are nothing more than tools, each with their own characteristics.
The merchants of death are filled with snake oil salesmen, just as the fear mongers are.
If you bothered to do a 2 minute Google search you would realize you're wrong.
Again,
Provide some evidence of EXACTLY WHAT POINT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE or SHUT UP.
Well, there's this...
That only mentions what it stops, not what is doesn't stop...
The MIC needs to sell the amazing performance of their products to the Congress-cretins. And Congress needs to sell the myth of invincibility in the mass media.
When those sales efforts fail, we get people like Don Rumsfeld making excuses for the supposed "lack" of up-armored Humvees, and the MIC smells opportunity and starts peddling MRAPs at a million taxpayer indentures a pop.
Armor is an odds game. For the highest percentage of small arms out there, properly maintained and fitted Level III armor is going to significantly mitigate the fatality of a gunshot that hits it. Yes, there are small arms that can and will kill in spite of armor. And even if the gunshot is not fatal, you may well wish it was given it's your body soaking up a significant amount of energy - physics is a bitch.
Anyone considering armor plates needs to seriously educate themselves on the subject and understand all the compromises involved (weight, mobility, heat, weaknesses, etc) and understand the variety of risk environments they are likely to find themselves in.
Fear sells and this is certainly a classic case of it. That does not mean that a good set of coated AR500 steel plates and a proper carrier isn't a prudent investment, but it most certainly needs to be a considered investment.
You just aren't going to wear a carrier like that unless you expect combat. I'll bet that everyone who comes to face combat without it will wish they had it.
But that's precisely the problem, people don't consider much less research or learn, so they fear when they shouldn't, and they don't fear when they should.
The same 150g black tip bullet from the 7.62mm M61 cartridge that the advertisers suspiciously avoid testing against the AR500 plates like the plague (because they would penetrate), and thus specifically exclude from the YouBoob repository of "knowledge" (as well as NIJ standard) can be used in a 300RUM case which adds perhaps 600 ft/sec and 1400 ft/lbs at the muzzle would most probably propel the bullet through 1 inch armor plate, which even a roided Nazi bodybuilder isn't going to walk around in.
Alternatively, a 458 winmag might not penetrate certain armor, but since there is a 500gr bullet impacting the armor at close to 2000 ft/sec with over 4000ft/lbs of energy, the armor will simply crush the ribcage like a twig.
At the other end of the spectrum is the idiot who opted for suicide by cop the other day. No one who has went through any basic infantry course is going to try and stab a cop with a knife through his body armor, and there is no shortage of Americans of who served in the military, even in Ferguson.
In the US both sides (citizen and state) are inherently capable of destroying each other, and that isn't likely to change. Tactics will evolve as a matter of necessity and despite the Congress critters most evil efforts, and when West Point, Monrovia arrives as West Point on the Mississippi, it is going to be ugly if the State continues on its current path. The brainless zombies often die anyway, but the innocent and the thinking won't be spared from the carnage if any of the major shit storms make landfall.
If someone doesn't already own guns and body armor, they can't necessarily be expected to know everything, but they certainly shouldn't be having a Pavlovian reaction to this administration's rendition of GWB and every American's patriotic duty to shop.
Civilized exploration of the complexity (with a dose of psychotic ranting) can more productive than the Fight Club version. Cheers- (I really need to get out of Europe and back to the USSA)
I've seen a 460 Hornady penetrate a steel plate that a 357 mag, 45 and 50 cal handguns, nor a shotgun slug penetrated. But the 460 Horny went clean through.
AR-500 steel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRh6sf6LLtM
Skip to ....
Every 5.56 round tested against it failed including SS190 (penetrators) pills from a 5.7 that were reloaded into 223 and shot at 3400 fps against it. Now class, what are most agents of the state armed with? M4 carbines, shotuns and subguns.
The other weird one that never gets tested .... 22-250 .... or ss109 penetrators in a .30 cal sabot (4500 fps) .... Speed kills.
Derp. http://armoredmobility.com/education.php
For OCONUS military and para-military settings, Level IV plates capable of stopping AP rounds might be critical. For the typical LE officer within CONUS, it is highly unusual to be confronted by opponents using AP ammo; it is much more likely to be hit with FMJ and hunting rounds from rifles in calibers from .223 to .30-06, as well as 12 ga. Shotguns. Thus, multi-hit capable Level III plates are a good choice. Currently there are four main options:
http://www.ctrguns.com/body-armor-level-iv-israeli-multi-hit-plates/
Single Ceramic Ballistic Plate Level IV protects against grenade shrapnel and armor piercing rifle such ass .30 caliber AP. Able to protect against multiple hits.
Infantry rifleman are not issued high powered rifles.
But I'll indulge... M2 (.30 caliber AP) isn't even the current standard issue to US armed forces (M61 in 7.62)...
Sticking to the calibers of high powered rifle that are issued to other members of the infantry (and avoiding the huge range of superior hunting rounds) - your Level IV ceramic ballistic plate - isn't going to do shit against a 300WSM or 338 rifle (both of which are used by hunters for larger game at longer distances)
By the way I'm getting a 403 error on your Israhole crap link.
So come back with a working link to this magic bullet stopper... The physics of what it has to stop and the energy it has to absorb are pretty basic.
You're full of shit, and have fun lugging your imaginary 13lb rifle. Seriously, go fuck yourself.
No. You are full of shit, moreover, you are either not an engineer, or an AHJ should revoke something.
Do have any idea how many hunters hump 300/338 rifles through miles of back country every day?
Or how many infantrymen carried the same every day in Iraq and Afghanistan? Those rifles weigh a hell of lot less than all the armor and other crap they carry.
The guys issued Barrets in 50BMG also carry their own, and that's a gun that weighs 30 lbs unloaded.
You keep making shit up and digging yourself into a deeper hole.
The VAST majority lugged around M4s. The VAST majority of hunters use 06 or less.
How many people do you really think can handle larger calibers? How many can afford them? How many are actually capable of taking advantage of the longer ranges provided?
I wouldn't be able to shoot more than 50 yards in any direction from my house. For my (very common) situation, a high volume of accurate fire would be more important than a low volume of highly accurate and damaging rounds. When the enemy starts in so close time is against you.
Edit: The assumption is that the attacking enemy would be other Americans. Americans tend to shoot better than others (more accurate rifles and range/hunting time). If you aren't shooting they are closing or air is coming after you. Tick tock.
But the VAST majority of how many private firearms. The fascist State only employs a few million jack booted gun toting thugs to keep 300 million serfs in bondage. So at the same 100:1 ratio, that's 30,000 firearms to make the thugs' lives unbearable.
As to who might own those guns-
1) People in bear country
2) Distance shooters
3) Collectors
4) Tinfoil hatters
5) The black powder crowd
Each of those groups is significantly larger than 30,000
I left off big game hunters (although there are a fair number of them. However, I have only fired the .458 in my collection exactly once on a hunt... at least I only put about $2500 into the gun and have less than 50 rounds for it.)
I also left off the (seemingly) gay libtard I saw at the local gun shop when I was in the USSA a while back. The guy dropped 10k on a Barrett (for snob appeal, or compensation/size factor, or something... I really don't know, but he and his less queer trendy brethren certainly don't fall into 1-5 above).
In my little gulch in the Old Dominion and the nearest city of perhaps 80k: between Dicks, a few WalleyWorlds, and a dozen gun and pawn shops, there are (were) probably 300-400 such rifles in inventory on any given day, not counting the thousands already in the community.
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Fortunately, the fascist enemies aren't often very wise or considered in their adaptation. In the north Hollywood BoA robbery the pigs went to the local gun store and commandeered AR15s to take on robbers in body armor. If there had been one good old boy in blue with experience or common sense in the entire LAPD responding force, that situation would have ended with a two shots from a single bolt action rifle.
On the other hand, in the aftermath of the '86 shootout in Miami, the Flamers' Bureau of Investigation decided that 10mm was more than their soft little hands could handle, and that decision has probably saved countless American citizens' lives due to reduced collateral damage resulting from over penetration and pig ignorance of their effective backstops.
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If it comes to war, I don't think it is going to be won or lost through a series of small reenactments of the last stand at the Alamo, but rather asymmetric confrontation and evasion. In the last half century the mighty USSA failed to subjugate the Gooks, the Vinks, the Goat Fuckers, the Camel Jockeys, much less the wetbacks, the drug runners, the gang bangers and the mafia who free range on the home front, so I don't think the State's chances against an awakened and enraged citizenry are particularly good, but as long as the citizenry is asleep and complacent, who knows, they could pull it off...
How many people do you really think can handle larger calibers?
Every Garand owner in the country .... every SINGLE one I know has a few en blocs of 30-06 AP set aside for a rainy day.
They scared us into emptying all the ammo in the stores.
Now let's buy up all the plate carriers and tactical vests as well.
Sort of a boost to GDP.
#Winning
I'm not seeing a down side here.
How come there aren't any sources for this article aatached? The link to the original article doesn't have any either.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=H.R.+5344
Protecting the absolute SHIT outa you. Forward!
The govt realized that they bought 4 billion rounds of hollowpoint ammunition, so...
Long body armor stock. Oh damn, congress already ran it up.
not to worry, those of you who don't already have body armor and trauma plates....this bill will never make it thru the senate. Dingy will oppose it because it takes away the rights of smart people to be smarter than the dumb ones.
Calm down, this is just a clever marketing campaign for body armor. Sales will go through the roof.
A well placed groin shot or ass shot will bleed a man out faster then anything, whats next banning scopes, iron sights, shooting glasses, earplugs, camo, sling shots, owning a cutting torch and more then 10 oz of Level 3 armor.
https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/5344
https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/113/hr5344/report#nation
Rep. Michael Honda (D, CA)
http://honda.house.gov/news/press-releases/responsible-body-armor-possession-act-keeps-military-armor-out-of-the-wrong
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You are hereResponsible Body Armor Possession Act Keeps Military Armor out of the Wrong Hands Congressman Honda’s act bans the sale and possession of new enhanced body armor Jul 31, 2014 Press Release
Washington, DC – Congressman Mike Honda (D-CA17) today introduced the Responsible Body Armor Possession Act of 2014, which allows law enforcement to respond to active shooters more effectively. It accomplishes this by prohibiting the sale, purchase, use, or possession of enhanced military-grade body armor by anyone who is not a member of law enforcement, active duty military, or other authorized users.
“There is no reason this type of armor, which is designed for warfare, should be available in our communities except for those who need it, like law enforcement,” Congressman Honda said. “There’s nothing more dangerous than what a well-armored, unstoppable active shooter can do. This bill is common-sense and long overdue.”
The Responsible Body Armor Possession Act has the support of Santa Clara County District Attorney Jeff Rosen, Alameda County District Attorney Nancy O’Malley, Alameda County Sheriff Gregory Ahern, Santa Clara County Sheriff Laurie Smith, Santa Clara Chief of Police Mike Sellers, and Milpitas Chief of Police Steve Pangelinan; along with the Fraternal Order of Police, the Violence Policy Center, the Coalition for Peace Action, and Stop Handgun Violence.
Santa Clara County District Attorney Jeff Rosen said, “There is an ongoing arms race between violent criminals and police officers. Let's make sure that the men and women who stand bravely between us and the gunfire win that high-stakes race. Let's make sure criminals and gang-bangers never walk our streets shielded with military-grade body armor and the arrogance of someone who cannot be stopped.”
Alameda County District Attorney Nancy O’Malley said, “I commend Congressman Honda on this important piece of legislation, and thank him for his long-standing leadership in keeping our communities safe and strong. This law will serve to combat our nation’s epidemic of gun violence and protect communities and law enforcement from mass shootings.”
“By limiting civilian access to body armor that is designed to protect against ‘law enforcement ammunitions’ and weapons that are ‘generally only used in tactical situations,’ the legislation would be an important step forward in reducing the availability of military-style gear that enables shooters to attack innocent civilians and confront law enforcement responders with a level of firepower that has no place on America’s streets,” said Kristen Rand of the Violence Policy Center.
“There is no reason this type of armor, which is designed for warfare, should be available in our communities except for those who need it, like the armed forces,” Congressman Honda said. “There’s nothing more dangerous than what a well-armored, unstoppable active shooter can do. This bill is common-sense and long overdue.”
ftfy
As a reminder
from the Dick Act of 1903
TITLE 10–ARMED FORCES
Subtitle A–General Military Law
PART I–ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS
CHAPTER 13–THE MILITIA
Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female
citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are–
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia;
and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
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All Citizens including Civilians are the Armed Forces under the category of unorganized militias. Not the Police Departments though one can say individuals who are the Armed Forces can also serve in the Police Departments at the same time.
That is why these bills and gun ban bills like the Safe Act are illegal, unlawful and Unconstitutional.
and as a reminder from the Second Amendment
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
These 2 reasons are also reason enough why the militarization of the PDs is also illegal and those weapons should have never gone to them in the first place but to the militias and if we follow the chain of command then the organized militias first then unorganized. Nowhere is the PDs mentioned here.
If you see what is going on here you'll understand what the Federales did is created a full time decentralized on the surface domestic standing army that has the veneer of a local police force for each node in the system.
They control the whole thing through the fusions centers, it is only a matter of time until the local PD's can't sneeze except as dictated by the DHS through the fusion centers. It looks decentralized and independent on the surface like the MSM but in reality a central source plays them all like Mariachi puppets.
The whole structure is a direct violation of Posse Comatitus.
Now to that regulated part as per what the founding fathers intended.
https://saf.org/journal/17/CitizensinArms.pdf
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Abraham Stanyan‘s Account of Switzerland (1714) described, ?a well regulated Militia, in Opposition to a standing Army of mercenary Troops, that may overturn a Government at Pleasure.
He portrayed the Bern militia as consisting of ?the whole Body of the People, from sixteen to sixty, explaining:
Every Man that is listed, provides himself with Arms at his own Expence; and the Regiments are all armed in an uniforme manner, after the newest Fashion; for which Purpose, there is an Officer called a Commissioner of Arms, whose Business it is, to inspect their Arms and Mounting, to take Care they be conformable to the Standard, and to punish such as fail in those Particulars.
The Swiss experience figured prominently in the American Revolution and afterwards in American constitution building. In his Defence of the Constitutions (1787), a survey of ancient and modern republics and other political models, John Adams divided the Swiss cantons—regardless of whether they were ? democratical or ? aristocratical — as having two institutions of direct democracy: the right to bear arms and the right to vote on laws. Bern had a democratic militia system: ?There is no standing army, but every male of sixteen is enrolled in the militia, and obligated to provide himself a uniform, a musket, powder, and ball; and no peasant is allowed to marry, without producing his arms and uniform. The arms are inspected every year, and the men exercised.
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So if laws deprive the Armed Forces of uniforme weaponry and armorment it is illegal and also flies in the face of the second form direct democracy which is the voluntary joining of the unorganized militia because you can choose not to by not choosing to personally house arms and armorment that meets Armed Forces standards to be periodically inspected by a Commisioner of Arms like a formal organized branch aka the National Guard, Army etc. Not only that the current law probably violates anti-discrimination laws since it excludes transgenders and women.
They don't want you know this stuff since it is perfectly legal and well within in your rights regardless of gun laws like the Safe Act in NY.
Not only that the military could easily issue the weapons and bypass Congress and the States all at the same time.....
You know to deal with real threats like ISIS coming to get you.....
You are your own fastest response team to a direct threat against you.
Ok so it "sounds" like this will not effect the stuff I own, basic level IIIa with extra plate carrier, but the "high-end" armor like dragonskin? Which is so crazy expensive no one without tons of dough could afford anyway?
So is this a make work bill so it seems like they are doing something about crime?
EDIT: Ok actually just read the full bill, anything III and above is considered "Enhanced" and therefore will be banned.
"and Stop Handgun Violence"
Except with gear designed to stop handguns...
ban the purchase of it...I didn't 'purchase it' it was given to me.
Text of the bill also says possession.
sale, purchase, use, and possession
Of what? Something bullets won't go through?
The only thing they could do is prevent the certification of body armour as body armour. So, you just happen to be wearing something that stops bullets.
lets take it from the members of congress who wear it, then the president and the secret service, then the fbi, homeland security etc....
BETTER YET TELL MIKE HONDA the libtard who proposed it WHAT YOU THINK.......
In 1965, he enrolled in the Peace Corps
He earned my Bachelor's degrees in Biological Sciences and Spanish and a Master's degree in Education from San José State University. He was a science teacher, served as a principal at two public schools, and conducted educational research. Chair Emeritus of the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus (CAPAC)
Noticeably lacking is any real JOB..... sucking on the government tit is his specialty... no BUSINESS or military service...
He likes to help people with YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY... AND HE VOTES obama AGENDA LIKE A RUBBER STAMP....
MIKE HONDA (d) 17TH DISTRICT KALIFORNICAITON
Washington, DC
1713 Longworth HOB
Washington, DC 20515
T: (202) 225-2631
F: (202) 225-2699
Hours: 9am-6pm
a police officer with the threat should shoot you, but with body armor this not be possible
Coppers have machines guns, mob has machine guns, coppers get bigger machines guns, mob gets bigger machines gun, coppers get body armor, mob gets body armor, coppers get tanks, mob gets tanks, coppers get anti-tank missiles, mod gets anti-tank missiles, coppers get tactical nuclear weapons, mob gets tactical nuclear weapons.
Can't we all just get along?
Sure. Just do what the government tells you to and they won't shoot you.
News flash! The coppers and the mob are the same group now
BS bills like this from rabid anti-2nd dems get written almost every session, and usually die in committee.
Thankfully there's so much pro-2nd attention nothing can get very far without a lot of grassroots opposition. There's not ever going to be another Hughes amendment situation in our lifetimes, and other than the rabid anti's, no one is going to stake their careers on pushing through such a lame-ass law.
hey Mike.... take the bill and put it with the 95% of the other ones you have proposed in the past that GO NO WHERE.... up pelosi's ass, where it belongs...
In one breath they spout worries of IS muzzies attacking our cities, in the next they want to ban body armor for our citizens. These fucks need to be thrown out of office...and out of the country. Hey, maybe we can let then stay at Gitmo! They'll like it there.
You guys are gonna learn to buy this stuff while it is still cheap and available.
first of all, the ZH summary is completely misleading in stressing purchase and leaving out the military-grade. It's plain lie to say as said here that a child's backpack is military-grade body armor.
secondly, it isn't even before Congress, it's before the Judiciary Committee (of which Honda is a member) ever since July 31, so it's no longer even news.
thirdly, even if it's paased into law as-is, some executive agency (???) would have to go through a rulemaking process, involving public comment, to specify exactly what is meant by "military-grade" body armor.
who regulates body armor anyway? ATF has no jurisdiction. would it be HOMELAND INSECURITY????
now that's a scary thought for ya!
And it is a total democrat bill... Hopefully the republicans won't vote for this crap
"Congress Proposes Law Banning Citizenship In The Land Of The Free."
Will it still be legal to purchase bullet proof vehicles only the rich can afford?
Nazi Germany did not ban guns, in fact they LOOSENED the Weimar republic's gun laws. Saddam Hussein bad as he was let his citizens buy "assault weapons" over the counter no ID required, just money, the way it was in the US prior to the 1968 gun control law. A person could also buy and own handguns in Iraq under Saddam. In fact Saddam rode around in Iraq without any protection in open air vehicles. Just as Adolf Hitler did. Hitler had the people on his side and they had guns, Saddam's Iraqis had guns too but no ordinary gun owner tried to pop him.
Stalin's letter "Anti-Semitism: Reply to an Inquiry of the Jewish News Agency in the United States" dated January 12, 1931 indicated his official position:
In answer to your inquiry: National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.
Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.
In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty. [7]
In 1936 Pravda, the party's newspaper and main propaganda organ, printed a beneficial explanation of the vile nature of anti-Semitism. It stated that "national and racial chauvinism is a survival of the barbarous practices of the cannibalistic period... it served the exploiters... to protect capitalism from the attack of the working class; anti-Semitism, a phenomenon profoundly hostile to the Soviet Union, is repressed in the USSR."
They try and try, the Democrats, to ban body armor for civilians, and it is precisely the civilians who are most at risk from Democrat demographic murderers, rapists, muggers, Knockout Gamers, and etc.
They want White America DISARMED and UNPROTECTED so that the Bolsheviks can do WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO, with minimal fuss.
The slaughter, the genocide of Whites in Rhodesia now Zimbabwe and the Whites in South Africa. And who says anything about it? No one, nobody cares for White Christians, not even white christians in the USA, but they DO love Israel and "God's Self-Chosenites"
South Africa, and be not fooled, this is YOUR fate also Whites in America, UNLESS and UNTIL you RISE UP!!!
http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/
I put my faith in God and the Mauser
~Boer General Ben Viljoen
'You must carry your gun and your Bible together at once'
~ Afrikaner Werner Selzer, 2010
http://www.nrahq.org/
http://gunowners.org/
http://www.gundigest.com/article/ObamaExpose/
That's why I practice head shots at the range. At 10yds I can dot the eyes. You have to train this way so when its on, that your target. Body armor restricts my movement, must move are your dead. Well if you get in a shootout your probably dead anyway. We live, we die. Such is life.
WHAT, did you think you would live forever. :-)
Even if you get nicked by a Hi-Vel round, there's no medivac that will get you out.
Anyone got a good body armor stock I should look at. I figure sales will soar.
"Hello, Congressman Honda?"
"Yessir, Mr pResident!"
"Look, uh, I don't know if you are aware of this, but I am the number-one salesman of weapons and military gear in the US."
"Uhh, sir?"
"Look, Honda, are you trying to move in on my action?"
"Nossir!"
"Awright. Withdraw that HR."
"Yessir!"
Maybe if Michael Brown had purchased his own Body Armor2 he might be alive and there would have been no riots
Big Michael Brown would need several monster truck ralley tires. Then he could not fit in to a convienience store to rob. But he would be so funny looking as a michilan man that the police might laugh too much to shoot at him.
This is Tyranny ... but if I have to use body armor to survive, I'm screwed
Boiler plate is going to become a commodity.
STUPID FILTHY IGNORANT WHITEY GOYIM TSK TSK TSK IT SO SIMPLE WHY CANT YOU SEE?
WHEN YOU GO HUNTING IN THE WOODS OF THE EARTH THE TALMUDIC OVERLORDS GREATFULLY ALLOW YOU TO CNTIUE TO EXIST IN WOULD YOU WANT ALL THE DEER, RABBIT, BEAR, BEAVERS TO BE WEARING KEVLAR BODY AND HELMET ARMOR?
YOU DONT ALLOW THE PREY TO BE THE SAME LEVEL AS THE PREDATOR THAT JUST DEFY NATURE, KINDA LIKE STILL LETTING YOUR WHITEY GENTILE FILTH TO PERMIATE AROUND THIS EARTH!
LoL, body armor! Like Ron White's kids says, SHOOT EM IN THE HEAD! Fucking idiots.
Shit. I better buy some.
Yes they are.
Hagel is saying to prepare for ISIS in the US. They have a bill that outlaws body armor. They really are being this obvious now. Well... Is it time YET?
ISIS in the US...ban all beheading knives
what's the legislative authority for this, commerce clause?
where in the Constitution is there any FEDERAL AUTHORITY for this?
is it the power to DECLARE WAR?
There is a petition on the White House Website:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-hr-5344-banning-responsible-law-abiding-citizens-owning-body-armor/GNrBKFrF
Signing that petition is signing up for a visit by the man when they are ready.
Signed it last week. My ancestors were told the same thing. They signed too.
P.S. The sponsors and voters for this will be on record.
May I recommend a slightly less expensive set of body armor
http://www.catiarmor.com/
Get the 6x6 side plates and NOT the 6x8. the larger plates dont fit in the carrier. Less expensive than infidel body armor.
Get it while you still can!!
Nice video at the link and good prices. He hit the plate with .556, 7.62 and .308. Nice.
The next they ban will be air bags.....
lets ban congress
Introduced by democrats and sponsored by democrats. Let's ban democrats
They are only half the problem...
This is silly, how can kids go to school safely anymore without a good set of body armor?
And don't we all need a set when caps start popping a mile away and we have to shelter in place?
My solution is to require all households to own multiple RPGs, when those are common body armor doesn't help, problem solved!
Go ahead and ban it. What a sick joke. Body armor plays a very minor role at best in close quarters combat.
Snipers certainly don't depend on body armor to get the job done, and snipers will always be the foundation of any successful insurgency, abroad or here at home.
Too bad we lost our best sniper, Chris Kyle....or did we?
Be sure to get coated plates. Uncoated plates will result in the wearer getting sprayed with shattered bullet.
Homemade body armor can be made with steel belted tires. Cut the tires into small shingles or plates, attach each plate to overlap the most inner plate, layer the overall armored suit with Kevlar. To make it more comfortable you can use the upper-body and arm protection from ice hockey goalie equipment as an overall padded inner suit. Depending on the types of steel belted tires and the number of layers of Kevlar, it can be made to stop 'most' rounds. High powered assault rifles with flint or specially tipped bullets will cut through nearly all body armor like butter. Good luck in the revolution, I will be cheering for you. :)
@Moccasin that's why when you want to stop a car the last place you want to shoot are the tires . Come on man be real your advice will get someone killed .
Don't use the side walls of the tire! And test it for yourself.
Police prefer tire spikes or spike strips because it is proven to work. Shooting tires from a moving vehicle is unreliable, dangerous and is not realistic, it is more T.V. sensationalism then reality. From my understanding a knife thrust is more powerful then a bullet, again depending on the knife, I understand from those in the police business, a knife can penetrate a bullet proof vest. I don't want anybody to get hurt and my suggestion is only to prevent injury. I also hope that people will be smart enough to test things out before applying it to actual use. I am trying to be reasonable, if you build a boat or a homemade plane, you test it in such a way as not to hurt yourself or anyone else. I hope that meets the standard of a reasonable man.
Cinder Blocks also work great!
Why would a raging madman abide by the law?
I saw Clint Eastwood use a steel plate once.
When is is crimnal to own body armor, then only criminals will own body armor.
Are you saying what I think your saying?
Bravo! Great wordplay.
Taking a bullet from a police officer: LEGAL
Wearing body armor to protect you from a police officers bullet: ILLEGAL
or
Living is ILLEGAL
Dying is LEGAL
GOT IT!
Would make it more difficult to kill us.
Disallowing the government the complete freedom to end your life is illegal. It's anti-freedom.
The government is broadcasting loud and clear that they are going to war with us!!!!!
You're right. And I still can't understand why so many people there either have no clue or refuse to acknowledge it happening right in front of them.
"Would be interesting to see just who wrote this ( authored ) legislation"
Follow the money and you'll find people. How many money envelopes and campaign contributions.
Tech Industry which I have long thought is joined at the hip with the MIC.
A sniper gun and head shots will override this consideration. Ask Eric Holder about the head wounds from his third autopsy
Wouldn't body armor be protected by the 2nd amendment and the right to defend oneself..?
It really doesn't matter. When the bullets start flying, they don't want you to have the upper hand on protection. This reminds me of a movie called, The Purge.
Edit, found trailer
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K0LLaybEuzA
#2 is bearing arms, not turtling with the hopes they can't make a head shot.
Armor will not protect you unless you're skilled.
Body armor is defensive arms, not dangerous to anyone who isn't trying to murder you.
Its protected under the 2nd amendment of the Constitution, as clearly and unambiguously stated by the authors of the Constitution.
Names. We need the names of the co-sponsors of this horrible bill.
Stepping back, I hope you folks are aware that these actions, whether it be to ban abortion or to liberalize abortion or to restrict guns or to raise taxes or eliminate loopholes are ALL part of the SHAKEDOWN SYSTEM of Political lobbying, right?!
This entire political system really is that broken. Nothing is what it seems. People who say they are considering banning something are really just asking for political contributions in a quid pro quo fashion.
Washington does nothing unless there is money to be had in doing it or not doing it. Pay to Play.
So don't waste efforts on just this one issue. Of course we should be able to buy body armor! If you want this shit to stop then fight for campaign finance reform... or move to a real democracy.
Somebody already listed. Look within the earlier posting on thread. Three KKK democratic members. Our plantation escapees cannot wear armor when they are excaping for freedom. We need to be able to shoot them before they be talkin to other plantation slaves.
/sarc
News flash: This has not been "the land of the free" for many, many years. The government wants to ban body armor out of fear that we will wake up some fine day and realise we are all slaves or the state and have been for a very long time.