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These Clowns Are Dragging Us Into War
From Raúl Ilargi Meijer of The Automatic Earth
Jack Delano Workman at Chicago & North Western repair shops, Chicago, IL Dec 1942
These Clowns Are Dragging Us Into War
In 8 weeks, on October 26, there are – supposed to be – parliamentary elections in Ukraine. What’s that going to look like? Who’s going to vote? In the presidential elections a few months ago, most of east Ukraine did not vote. How many different ways are there to define democracy and still remain credible?
In an interview today on Russian Channel 1, Vladimir Putin commented on the upcoming elections: “All the participants in the electoral race will want to show how cool they are; Everyone will want to show they are strongmen or strongwomen, and as the political struggle sharpens it is hard to expect anyone to seek a peaceful resolution and not a military one.” That would seem to be an accurate prediction.
The EU yesterday (in yet another definition of democracy) picked its new president. They chose Polish PM Donald Tusk, which may seem a bit strange since Tusk doesn’t speak a word of either English or French, and he comes from a nation that is not even in the Eurozone, yet he will now now get to chair meetings that concern the euro. But Tusk is a hawk on Russia, and therefore suspiciously convenient to the inner core of Washington and Brussels’ control apparatus. He’s said more bad and ugly things about Russia and Putin than just about anyone recently, and that’s saying something.
The US and EU have worked for years to see their desire to take over Ukraine come to fruition. They’ve come a long way, but they wanted Crimea and the Donbass region most of all, and those they still don’t have. Still, they’ve so far shown themselves more than willing to assist first in killing thousands of eastern Ukrainians to get what they want, and now they are prepared to start a war over it.
The well-prepared, built-up step by step, storyline in the western press is the threat of Russia’s expansionary drift. Hence this Reuters piece:
Polish President Warns Germany Of Putin’s ‘Empire’ Ambitions
Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski said that Vladimir Putin is trying to build a new Russian empire for Moscow and that the region now had to choose whether it wanted “a Cossack Europe or a democratic one”. “Russia has carried out an invasion in Ukraine,” the Polish head of state told German public radio. Komorowski said Putin was quite open about his ambitions to “rebuild the empire”. The Polish president is an ally of Prime Minister Donald Tusk. “I hope Germans are sufficiently mindful of what a Soviet empire meant for Europe,” Komorowski told Deutschlandradio Kultur and Deutschlandfunk, warning against any reprise of the pre-World War Two “appeasement policy of yielding to Hitler”.
That’s the kind of thing where I go: Huh? Did I see that right? You try to scare the Germans by referring to a Russia that by now has been history for almost 25 years, a Russia that was instrumental in saving Europe from the Third Reich and lost 20-30 million people in the process, by reminding them of an 80-year old policy of appeasement to Hitler? The Germans?
When we look at what has actually happened over the past decade, and what we can prove when it comes to expansion drift, that is without a doubt a painfully hollow story. Since what we actually do know, what is not mere conjecture, is that it has instead been the west, through NATO, that has been in expansion mood.
Despite solid agreements not to move NATO’s borders eastward, the alliance has done nothing but move east, and is now planning to put even more troops and new army bases right on Russia’s doorstep. The narrative to justify this NATO expansion that breaches those former agreements, which we can see time and again, is that Russia is moving west, for which there is no proof, only accusations, and that NATO territory is inviolable, but Ukraine is not a NATO member.
No NATO territory is under threat of being violated, other than inside the narrative. Moreover, while voices in Europe increasingly claim that the threat to Ukraine is a threat to Europe (i.e. the EU), Ukraine is no more an EU member than it is a NATO member. Brussels seems to want it to be, but that’s where the narrative ends. So it’s simply being changed on the fly and has now become: “Ukraine is fighting a war on behalf of all Europe”, according Lithuanian leader Dalia Grybauskaite.
Which is where I think: really, Ukraine has killed over 2000 of its own citizens ‘on behalf of Europe’?
The entire conflict could be solved in a heartbeat if Kiev would simply tell the Donbass leadership that they can be autonomous. But that’s not what Poroshenko wants, or Yatsenyuk, and certainly not Washington and Brussels. Because the Donbass is by far the richest region in Ukraine. Which however happens to be home to people who don’t want to be ruled by the present Kiev leadership. Well, so you kill a bunch of them and instill fear in the rest, right?
Putin had something to say about that too, first in Agence France Presse’s version of his Channel 1 interview:
Putin Urges Ukraine ‘Statehood’ Talks
Russian President Vladimir Putin today sharply raised the stakes in the Ukraine conflict by calling for the first time for statehood to be considered for the restive east of the former Soviet state. Mr Putin’s defiant remarks came just hours after the EU gave Moscow – which the bloc accuses of direct involvement in the insurgency – a week to change course or face new sanctions. “We need to immediately begin substantive talks… on questions of the political organisation of society and statehood in southeastern Ukraine … ”
And then the way RT reported it:
Putin: Impossible To Say When Political Crisis In Ukraine Will End
The devastated infrastructure of the southeast requires full repair otherwise people might just freeze to death, he said. “It looks as if only Russia cares about that. The first most essential condition is to stop combat operations and begin reconstruction of the infrastructure, replenish inventories, do the necessary repairs and scheduled maintenance to be ready for the cold season.” [..]
Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on Kiev to start substantial talks on deescalating the crisis in eastern Ukraine. He added that it’s an illusion to expect that the rebels would calmly watch their homes being destroyed. “We have agreed on a plan, so its realization must be pursued,” Putin told Channel 1 TV, adding that the Ukrainian government “must immediately start substantial talks – not a technical discussion – on the political organization of society and the state in southeast Ukraine so that the interests of people who live there are protected.” The plan, according to Russia’s leader, puts negotiations at the center of the peace process.[..]
Commenting on the new batch of sanctions against Russia threatened by western countries, Putin advised his counterparts to think again about what they are advocating. “What are the so-called European values then? Support for an armed coup, suppression of opponents with armed forces – so these are ‘European values’? I believe our colleagues should be reminded of their own ideals … ”
In the meantime, the rumors and allegations don’t just continue, they get stronger. Evidence hasn’t been a factor is this game for a long time, and it is not now. Just today, I’ve seen 2 Russian ladies who say 100 Russian troops died in a battle earlier this month, Kiev claiming that Russian tanks ‘flattened’ an entire village, and Ukraine soldiers saying their comrades who were given safe passage after being trapped, were shot at.
It just never stops, or so it seems. We’ve been subject so far to a tsunami of allegations and accusations, and 99%+ of them have come with zero evidence. But now we risk being pulled into a outright war despite the lack of evidence. Really, it’s come to this: we’re asking for just one piece of evidence for all the accusations we’ve been made party to. Just the one!
Essentially, the western leadership is saying that if the ‘Donbass rebels’, and Russia, won’t let the Ukraine army do just what it wants in east Ukraine, there will be war. But it’s not our leaders who are going to be the boots on the ground. And because Obama has pledged no US military involvement in Ukraine – though CIA, Blackwater and who knows who else, are present anyway -, it will have to be European boots on the ground in Ukraine.
Perhaps prior to the official war declaration our politicians and media can tell us where the remains of the BUK rocket are that’s alleged to have downed MH17, where the contents are of the black boxes, and where the Air Traffic Control conversations with the pilots are which were allegedly confiscated by the Ukraine secret service on July 17.
It’s perhaps hard to remember due to the misinformation tsunami, but the MH17 has been a major driver of the western public’s anger vs Russia, and their acceptance of sanctions and other decisions, and now the threat of war. While it still may just as well not have been the Donbass rebels who shot that plane, but the Ukraine army, or Blackwater or the CIA. We simply don’t know.
The west says that the war in east Ukraine is caused by Russia’s support for the rebels. Just like the overriding narrative today is that the west reacts to what Russia does, while in reality it’s the other way around.
The entire Ukraine conflict could be resolved tomorrow morning if Kiev, and its western support, would pledge to stop waging war on the Donbass. And give it a separate status, either within Ukraine or in a separate state. After half a year+ of warfare, how else could you resolve this crisis? Only through more bloodshed, that’s how.
But our western leadership is simply too trigger happy for comfort. Based on only hints and allegations. There’s a NATO conference in Wales this week; Obama, Merkel, they’ll all be there. I suggest you just watch and listen what comes out of that. It won’t be pretty. Peace will not be a commonly used term there. While for all of us, and all the civilians in the Donbass, that’s all we want.
But these clowns are dragging us into war. And yes, maybe it would be a good idea for you to tell them that you don’t want them to. Before your kids, or their friends, their neighbors, start dying in some far away ugly theater they should never have been part of.
Is peace impossible in Ukraine today? No. Not at all. But it is as long as the west keeps its hopes for conquering the Donbass alive. It should have known that from the start, and perhaps it did, and started this crusade anyway, because the grand prize it’s after is Russia itself. Over our dead bodies.
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where did you get those news from? What sites do you use for your news?
I have a few (vineyardsaker is a very good blog I find)
(I know its twitter but lots of tweets with links usually very reliable)
https://twitter.com/BradCabana
https://twitter.com/Steiner1776
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/
http://en.voicesevas.ru/
thanx for the links.
I use http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
http://en.ria.ru/
http://en.itar-tass.com/
http://www.rawstory.com/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/
http://www.counterpunch.org/
http://www.blacklistednews.com/
Thank you. Your avatar is my home sceen on my ipad.
I will add
Mike Whitney
Robert Parry
Stephen F Cohen
Paul Craig Roberts
Moon of Alabama
Gleb Bazov
Pepe Escobar
Brad Cabana's rock Solid Politics and Twitter are top rank
Add Tony Cartalucci to that list. http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/ is a great resource for news and anti-imperialist analysis.
+ 2.
Thanks for the links...
How to tell when Russia has invaded:
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/how-can-you-tell-whether-russia-ha...
A comment at the Vineyard (Saker) said that dozens of CIA operatives captured near Mariupol can't find any confirmation
Hoping Col. cassad has a write up on the Polish soldiers "on holiday" captured in the North and Americans in the south (if the latter is true)
Kolomoisky abandoned Mariupol to pull back to Odessa
Christmas will come early for this atheist if Zakharchenko ( the Russian Steve McQueen) can take Odessa and nationalize Kolomoisky's I'll gotten gains
I'm all for nationalising Kolomoisky's body parts. The head to Donetsk, the torso to Luhansk, the members to Slaviansk and his circumcised prick can go to Vicky Nuland.
I ask that question here a lot, too.
Good news indeed, Jack.
Too bad it didn't happen a week ago, it would have been great to have the Polish mercs marching on the Aug 24th's Parade in Donestsk.
Now on to capture some American mercs in Odessa. Then to Switzerland to off that human cancer Kolomoisky.
Last weeks news were: A man of "Polish Orign" died in Ukraine. Who gives a fuck he was a Ukrainian mercenary. He had POLISH ORIGIN!!!
Hey, is the POLISH ORIGIN dead an ex-boxer? i heard he's granted with the mayorship of kiev, rewarding his contribution to the Feb coup,,, will love to hear some really exciting news on this polack dude
Mecenary. Bet the company he worked for promised him the world. Now that he's dead, they can renig on all back pay if there was any and any other perks he was promised.
hEY rAOUL.
ever hear of contract law?
its the sancrosanct of the entire legal system and business system
sign a contarct and thats the law
a contract cannot be changed arbitrarily by one party.
in 1994, RUSSIA USA UKRAINE signed a solemn contract treaty
and it gurantees by all parties the borders of urkaine forever
got that?
Raoul take your libertarian ahead out of your think tank and think.
your entire proposal denies the contract
then nothing can be held accountable to the contract
The contract changed with USA meddling, ie $5 billion to destabilize Ukraine leading to a coup and illegal Junta. Thats a breach of contract dude. New game exists now.
One time Glen Beck told me what to say....I canceled the tv shortly after hearing all that left right rubbish over 10 years ago.
On a side note so many repubs and dems think you are on their team..and gang up to critical thought dialogue till it goes out of sync with the Boob Tube. Then, to them, you are the other guy.
MSM is a circle jerk of retards...saying they are getting laid.
LIARS
RIPS
When the US engineered a coup in Kiev, that broke the contract. Now all options are on the table. Had the USA not done that, Crimea would still be a part of Ukraine, the South Est would be peaceful, and Russia would be helping Ukraine economically.
People like you conveniently forget that US global aggression on behalf of the Zionists is at the root of nearly all international problems of the world today. The US is nothing but an extension of Zionist territory and will remain so until the Zionists have sucked it dry and it no longer benefits them.
Well said! Says it all!
btw USA never ratified it
Here we go again, the war cycle.
In my neck of the woods I don't hear any war drums. Duck and deer calls, yes and the chopping of firewood. Sorry but were a little too busy minding our own business getting ready for winter to participate in another Rothschild war.....
Keep your eye on the ball boys.....
...until that ball is kicked into your home court.
We don't hunt with water balloons.
Porky is selling his Roshen chocolate company to Yanukovich's son. This tells you everything you need to know about "Ukraine".
You sound like Tokyo Rose.
Toyko Rose was pardoned, she was a US citizen (by constitutional standards) her method was anti-propaganda, a criticism of false american values by an american citizen born of japanese parents (sounds like obama!) so listen carefully to those old broadcasts, you might learn something
There were many of them using the same name Tokyo Rose.
My Dad was flying the Hump bringing supplies from Assam India over the Himalayas to China, she targeted those pilots.
He used to talk about hearing her.
http://winterpatriot.com/comment/reply/921
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VayoSyshgZA
I piss on this Ukraine
Good essay.
Rock on!
Yes, a really good piece.
Heart goes out to all fighting for the border.
Whatever allegiance, you're better men then i.
Doing it with the obama lunch.
http://www.nutritionalanarchy.com/2014/08/31/let-them-eat-cake-the-first...
Damn, those kids of "Mike" eat well.
sadly obama has become or we just realized he is a neoclone. the republicans would impeach him and what, spoil their fun? i heard mccain spouting crap about us policy in syria, well of course we gave weapons and money to ISIS, you were there promoting the cause (not one fucking senator or fucking representative or fucking bureaucrat who knows better dares mention this while the MSM is listening.) this game is so phony you can hear the next bush gearing up his campaign run for 16. the best thing we can hope for is to call off the midterm elections and call off the presidential elections, and turn off the water and the power to washington dc, and let them stew in their juices. better them than one ukrainian child
Impeachment is joke unless you can impeach Rothschild. Americans continue to cling to fairy tales.
http://intheknow7.wordpress.com/
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/the-gay-father-of-nazism-and-zi...
http://www.in5d.com/40-outrageous-facts-most-people-dont-know.html
Funny thing about the neocons, they never were any good at regime change....and here we see again them failing in the Ukraine.
And those "unaccompanied minors" well they have grey hair and mustaches in middle school.
Feds won't allow schools to verify their ages.
http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/middle-schoo...
Best book on Ivan
Henri Troyat is the best book, hard to find. Ivan brought some smoke on the zios and Poles which is about the same.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/275970.Ivan_the_Terrible
http://allreaders.com/book-review-summary/ivan-the-terrible-36137
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible/Part_3/Chapter_3
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible/Part_3/Chapter_3
The flim-flam of the title is so stupid and ironic I had to login to insert a timely reminder before the denial tsunami and bullshittery sweeps all aside from the feckless mind of the hypocrites.
I virtually stopped reading zh and just do a daily quick scan of the topics and read one or two of them, the comments section I'm not even interested in any more. I stopped posting here because almost everyone in zh comments section was endlessly openly sucking Putin's dick and arguing facetiously and stupidly for war and brutality in Ukraine - in detail and at length.
Now that you've got what you wanted you all wish to play the ethical high-brow wise minds, pretending you didn't want war, at all, and that someone else was fanning the flames and insane propaganda of war and viciousness between human beings.
Tyler, [no, not the wannabe 'Tylers' who are complete crap in comparison, I'm addressing the real Tyler here] you've now got the comments section equivalent of Gresham's Law in action mate.
Element, what are your thoughts on Australia's signature of the NDA about the findings of MH17 black box?
What about bipartisan support in Australia for weapons drops in Iraq?
Element I am missing you already, please reconsider this, please I beg ya!
I'm having the same problem here, Element. Gresham's Law, indeed
Meanwhile, the whole participation of Russian military forces in the Ukraine is still based on a very Russian "Maskirowka", i.e. deniability
which is wearing thin, by now, because the first Russian casualties have to be buried. the Russian newspaper "Wedomosti" reports on them, asking where they fell. while "Nowaja Gaseta" asks: "Can Tanks Take Vacations"?
anyway, imho the whole Ukraine mess seems more contained then weeks ago. It gives me hope for peace
to the title of the article, "These Clowns Are Dragging Us Into War", I'm reminded that if you pay a lobbyist to push for more weapons and ammunition consumption, you have someone that is paid for asking for moar woar. Relentlessly, efficiently, professionally and as loud as possible. A case of getting what you paid for
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P.S. Interesting how Donald Tusk's rudimentary English is causing some ripples in the pond. I'm reminded that the British gov was pushing for the Danish candidate. You know, the lady that made selfies of herself together with Cameron and Obama at the remembrance feast in SA in honour of Mandela
EU apologist Ghordius invoking Gresham's Law is a bit rich.
In the case of EU/NATO what you have is a clear case of "chickens coming home to roost".
tut tut tut, I'm the selfdeclared main resident ZH EUR apologist. That's the ECB and it's product, not the EU. I only correct from time to time some of the biggest whoppers I see about the EU
but this has a lot to do with the quality of criticism here vs the EUR/EuroSystem and the EU
look at you own comment: what is EU/NATO supposed to mean? The enlargement of the first has been used as a carrot for the chickenhawks pushing for the enlargement of the latter, remember? For the record, I was against both. And I have not forgiven the cavalier way Washington was promising help in joining the EU to all who where willing to hear
in case you were talking about the EUR instead of the EU: so? what is about Gresham's Law that you would like to discuss? I'm "all ears". But answer a small question, first: the ECB's balance sheet. did you realize that it's steadily... shrinking?
for someone that 'stopped posting here' you sure have a case of verbal diarhea. lol
your's is the perfect comment of the kind I dislike most: you misquote me (from refraining/posting less to "stopped posting here") and make a cheap, feeble joke. and if I write that your comment has zero value, you'll probably answer "then why do you reply to it?" or some other inane thing that has nothing to do with the article
See the top leadership in Poland is Israeli, Tuch had an old man who fought with the nazis. The old leadership died in plane crash.
The average Pole now can't figure out why he can't sell his apples.
It all boils back to Disraeli of England who wanted an Aryan alliance between top aryans and khazars. That is why Charlie Windsor runs around hobnobbing with top rabbis and wearing a yarmulke. They are khazar also.
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/the-gay-father-of-nazism-and-zi...
So, we suspect the Zionistas whacked the prior leadership?
Sounds plausible.
Everywhere, like cockroaches
"International Termites."
You Goi are our Bitch! We own your banks, TV networks, Newspapers, Hollywood, publishing houses and your phony negro president, all of your politicians.
Your country is our puppet, (evil laugh).
Oh wait a min... the whole thing is an Isreali vs Muslim "mo fuckah" deal. Yeh well the Muslims mo fuckahs been around fer a while, but them neo _Cons ain't spreading peace.
Who is on the side of the USA? I mean really>?
http://www.jrnyquist.com/
Russia Prepares for War
Commentary for 11 August 2014
“We have to strike Poland and the Baltic States, where there are NATO rockets and aircraft. Since we cannot allow one plane to take off and strike Russia – we will have to strike first – half an hour before takeoff. And to be sure, we will be carpet bombing. America is not a threat, but the small midget states of Europe will cease to exist. They will be wiped out. Then NATO will have to beg us for negotiations. Otherwise we will give them again a May ’45.”
– Vladimir Zhirinovsky, August 2014 (Television interview, 8.08.2014.)
“In my book I wrote, more than ten years ago, that 2015 and this year is the break-point of Atlantic civilization.”
– Dr. Victor Kulish, 12 July 2014, author of Hierarchic Electrodynamics and Free Electron Lasers
It just keeps getting more and more stupid by the minute.
"Vladimir Zhirinovsky, August 2014"
take this guy with a grain of salt.
he may be right but i don't think he sets policy.
Vladimir Zhirinovsky is the john mccain of russian politics.you cannot take him serious
First -USA must stop occupation Europe by military bases
Second USA must close all military bases around the world
Third USA must stop destroying countries and destabilizing governments by coup
ONLY then they will gain again some trust
Ever notice that the stinking warmongers who think the U.S. and Europe should "go to war" with Russia over Ukraine are never the ones that will volunteer to take their duffle bags and go there themselves?
And it's never their own kids that they will suit-up to go.
And without fail they're stupid-drunk on the senseless swil drooled into their stunted brains by the MSM.
How the hell do you reason with such types? There's no common ground to begin with them so as to have an intelligent exchange.
I say, have the courage of your convictions and offer yourselves and your kids as cannon fodder. Practice what you preach.
Put up or shut up.
Let's see Barry and Reggie suit up in pink camo and head for Ukraine, with cute pink rifles.
Yes, send in their kids first. They can see what Russian cluster bombs can do to flesh.
How can you tell when Russia has invaded?
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/how-can-you-tell-whether-russia-ha...
If Russia does invade (which I doubt) I think we would see 20 Divisions of Armour on the move.
The "invasion" is all in the drug-addled chicken brain of Leisure Suit Barry and his pet poodle, the Limey guy.
"How can you tell when Russia has invaded?"
As Peter Lavell of RT.com says: "Whenever other journalists say that 'Russia has invaded Ukraine', I ask them on what date it happened. Of course they don't have a date because it hasn't happened."
That's a "must-read" article. Thanks for the link.
Gee, can anyone remember any speeches over the last few years where Vlad was demanding an "Empire?"
I mean, these "Empire" speeches are usually pretty obvious.
At that, they don't need to build an empire, Russia can acquire a few more strategic points and secure almost everything needed.
As long as you can defend that amount of landmass, natural resources, and White Men, you are an empire.
Didn't the US/Europe/UN/NATO bend over frontwards and backwards to accomodate Kosovo Moslems and split Serbia - also for Moslem sake - into separate states? It was called Wagging the Dog while BJ Clinton was wagging something else in the Oval Office.
So why cant the Ukraine split into separate states? Answer: It does not benefit our mortal enemies - MOSLEMS.
The time has now passed
where Eastern Ukraine can
or will remain a part or
autonomous portion
of a unified Ukraine.
Zakharchenko is absolutely correct
when he says that, although an
autonomous federation would have
initially been a possible answer
to the fundamental disparities between
western and eastern Ukraine, there
has now been too much blood shed
by the eastern Ukrainians at the hand
of Kiev to make any form of federation
even a remote possibility, leaving
a fully independent State
as the only possibility.
Putin: “We need to immediately begin substantive talks… on questions of the political organisation of society and statehood in southeastern Ukraine
statehood?
The only other remaining possibility is
extremely remote--however if
Zakharchenko's Eastern Ukrainian
forces could gather enough forces
and momentum to depose the
USAIPAC Nazi government in Kiev
and regain Ukraine for all Ukrainians
it would be the best possible solution
for all Ukrainians
Let them drag us.
With God's help we will win.
It will be the last masonic war.
"If Masonic supremacy appears in jeopardy, it is re-established by a show of strength, by crimes of violence, perpetrated to demonstrate. ..the far-reaching power of Freemasonry to initiates the world over..."
(Michael A. Hoffman II Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare Page 72)
ISIS is a sure sign that they feel the need to threaten us.
Just imagine how helpless a decapitated Soros, Rockefeller or Rothshild will look.
Not that this is an aim - it will be enough to clean the courts after the war.
I am Jack's creepy eyewear.
Simple 9/11 Truth facts refuting the Daily Beast attack on Ron Paul
http://wtfrly.com/2014/09/01/911truth-facts-refuting-daily-beast-attack-...
Tyler your website still has problems I see.
Its 8.35am here in Bonny England, and during the night someone has been posting as me AGAIN??
Has this happened to any of you lot? I have even refreshed some pages here and the system has logged me in as other people of this forum. Whats going on here????
International Termites are inside your machine.
I suggest Orkin, or whatever pest spray you have there, amigo.
ITM,
I have seen several times where my up-arrows or down-arrows have been completely reversed in the morning. It must be that ZH has captured the hearts of the baby heart eaters.
And, incidentally, I knew it wasn't you, Mate.
secret tip: the Germans do not listen to what the Poles say. Never have.
The Poles, as ever, are behind the curve and giving the USSA BJ's.
Remember they went to war with horse cavalry against DE panzers and now they are dictating foreign polic. No one listens to the Poles.
Feinstein wants the US to start talking diectly to Putin. Good morning america.
pay attention:
“We need to immediately begin substantive talks… on questions of the political organisation of society and statehood in southeastern Ukraine …
Did he say 'statehood'? bye, bye Kiew
PS no one can 'drag' you anywhere you don't already want to go unless you are totally witless. whoops.
The Clowns will be held accountable - as will the Controllers.
Being a "Clown" will be no defense.
I think clown is too kind of a word for these idiotic cocksuckers.
Cold War 2.0: A collection of alarming indications so far
Things are looking bad in the global geopolitical scenery as the new cold war escalates
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/09/cold-war-20-collection-of-ala...
how can their be a cold war when Russia clearly is not isolated. You have the bankrupt nations on one side and the creditor nations on the other. Fascist in DC are trying to light the fuse in the South China Sea, but they are going to get their arses handed to them, just like they will on Ukraine. They are escalating Ukraine becoz in about 6 months, it will have no strategic pull as the nordstream will come online and Ukraine will be irrelevant.
Markit is truly mad.
Belief is they can smother a mushroonm cloud with fiat
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Europe holds nerve as Russia-Ukraine warnings ratchet upEuropean markets cautiously set aside warnings that Russia's conflict with Ukraine was sliding out of control on Monday, as investors focused on the European Central Bank's meeting this week and hopes it will strengthen its stimulus plans. "Naturally, developments between Russia and the Ukraine will be in the cross sights.
"Putin Urges Ukraine ‘Statehood’ Talks"
Nope. That one is phony too. He was mistranslated on purpose.
who installed the puppet government into Kiev? How much did they dump into that project? You are talking about translation! You have some serious problems with your mofo gray matter. Seriously farked in the head.
For Russia, Ukraine has a life expectancy of about 6 months max. After than the Nordstream will come online and the entire transit pipeline in Ukraine will be of no leverage and use. Your clueless.
"..a Russia that was instrumental in saving Europe from the Third Reich" - Wrong! It was Germany that saved Europe from the Bolsheviks, and they paid a much greater price for WW2 than anybody else, they paid it with Blood&Soul.
If there is to be war, bring back the draft. But draft first the entire male graduating class at Choate Rosemary Hall and Phillips Exeter.
"The EU yesterday (in yet another definition of democracy) picked its new president. They chose Polish PM Donald Tusk, which may seem a bit strange since Tusk doesn’t speak a word of either English or French, and he comes from a nation that is not even in the Eurozone, yet he will now now get to chair meetings that concern the euro. But Tusk is a hawk on Russia, and therefore suspiciously convenient to the inner core of Washington and Brussels’ control apparatus. He’s said more bad and ugly things about Russia and Putin than just about anyone recently, and that’s saying something."
The Pole Tusk is not actually the new "EU President" as implied - there isn't actually one of them yet. Tusk replaces the Garden Gnome Rompuy who was President of the EU Council of Ministers. The CoM is essentially the EU Heads of State where most important decisions get taken, mostly in secret. Tusk shares the top job with Junkett (he replaced Barroso) who is President of the EU Commission. So there are two top jobs. The intention (if the EU hasn't imploded by then) is to create a single EU President. That is the job Mr Tony Blair has always coveted because it would be higher up the power pole than either of the other two parasites and would almost certainly qualify for a private plane at taxpayers expense: "Blair One".
I hope that makes it a tad clearer.. ;-)
smacker, do you remember the times when the EU Council was meeting and the British press steadfastly refused to call it what it is, i.e. a treaty-mandated obligatory meeting of heads of governments of EU coutries? Instead, they called the meetings "summits", which I presume sounded more ominous and crisis-like, and more apt for scare-drumming
yes, they are secret. making the minutes public would be a step to further federalization, do you realize? I prefer more transparancy in acts, not the talks
the job Tusk is taking over should have been called "Secretary General to the EU Council", but after all he has to meet presidents...
Tusk a Hawk? Versus Russia, yes/perhaps. But does he belong to the Polish fervently pro-US faction? Here I have my doubts
I remember one of his better gas-trade proposal: a foreign single/monopolistic seller to be matched with a domestic/EU single/monopolistic buyer. Water to water, fire to fire, and all that...
He promised to Polish his English ;-)
"...a treaty-mandated obligatory meeting of heads of governments of EU coutries? Instead, they called the meetings "summits", which I presume sounded more ominous and crisis-like, and more apt for scare-drumming"
Actually, calling the meeting a "summit" is no different to a meeting of "heads of state". In English it's essentially the same.
The siginificant point about the CoM is that - whether the meetings are treaty-mandated or not - they happen and there's no minutes produced. The discussions are held in secret and European people are not allowed to know what the next EU stitch-up will be. We know from numerous leaks over time that these are the meetings where broad policy is discussed and agreed. The Commission is then sent away to formulate policy to put the secret decisions into effect.
One such decision is that from today it is now unlawful in Britain to sell vacuum cleaners which have more than 1600 Watts. Apparently this is to reduce energy consumption. But it ignores that low-power vacs don't clean properly so they will be switched on for longer. Some years ago we had the outlawing of incandescent light bulbs in favour of low-energy bulbs that take 5 mins to warm up. LED bulbs were ignored, presumably because Barroso can't spell the word.
And so the EU goes on. And on and on.
Tell the EU/DC fascist/nazis to fark off out of Ukraine.
But no Nuland's invest $5Billion so we the fascist/Nazis in DC and EU must get our money's worth. Plus, we don't have any oil/gas left so we need to grab it (like their past criminal MO). This is total farking bullshit.
They also tend to forget the stolen gold of Ukraine and the stolen cash from the central bank (sitting in Switzerland held by the fascists)
What's really shocking (maybe not) is the average news posters who are buying all of these MSM lies. Truely Pinball Wizards.
the problem with truth is that it travels slowly, is often misunderstood, overshadowed by spin and damage control, pummeled by propaganda, often unclear, needing tons of complex context, and for most... maddeningly UNSATISFACTORY
MSM wants satisfied customers first, and profit second...on a very good day
Look, here in Texas there are more Mexicans than Gringos in South Texas. Luckily, right now the Mexicans are too dumb, apathetic, and lazy to know anything, but what if their numbers grew even more (which is happening) and they wake up and claimed that South Texas, with oil and gas resources in the Eagle Ford worth maybe trillions, should be independent or part of Mexico, like the Donbass region is claiming with Russia? After all, Texas was once part of Mexico. How would that go over in Washington? Granted Mexico isn't Russia, but still...
America took that land from Mexico in a war. Now Mexico is winning the population war in the Southwest, and will soon be able to vote anything they want. Sounds fair to me.
will someone finally put mccain in a nursing home for fucks sake. consider behghazi hillery as his roommate.
Yep, you're fucked.
I'd say plan for the worst and hope for the best but not sure what planning would help if the EU was a giant fireball.
In the words of Professor Fate
In the words of Professor Fate "Push the button Max". Hopefully it won't hurt too much. I don't llive near a big city so I will die later. Good or bad, it sucks.
What's good for General Motors is good for the USA. Check out the Chevy emblem on this jihadist pickup truck:
(photo from an article about the captured jihadist laptop computer allegedly containing terrorist plans)
http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/world/42940/islamic_state_laptop_of_de...
The Ziocons (who rule the EU of course) need to be reminded again that "regime change" is not somehting under their sole control.
Long live the Republic of Novorossiya!
Which, if I do not miss my guess, will include the entire north coast of the black sea, leaving Ukraine as landlocked as Switzerland.
Here is one approach to cleansing our current political system in the U.S. Two months left until November. Plenty of time to pull it off. Well worth watching. Obviously we can't just keep whacking away at our keyboards and expect that this, in and of itself, will implement the change we so desperately need.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS3SyB37uM0
Lieutenant Morrisseau's Rebellion
Worth a try.
And if you want to know what real political character and courage looks like (we haven't seen any for a long time in any U.S. politician), watch this interview with one of the leaders of the the Donetsk National Republic. Goose bumps.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/08/watershed-press-conference-by-top.html You have to put the video on full screen to read the subtitles
At this point Putin holds all the cards, this will become more obvious as winter nears and events unfold. It seems both Russia and many of the separatist in Eastern Ukraine would support federalization. Surely, no reason exist for Kiev to be opposed other than a loss of power. A more federalized government is also the most plausible way of keeping Ukraine intact.
Support for sanctions is mixed in Europe as some countries fear Russia and have an ax to grind with Putin while others wish to move forward. Saber rattling has only lead to death and destruction. As I see it little good will come from further bloodshed and it is time for the West to stop sending money to Kiev so they can ramp up the violence and continue the civil war. More on the progress being made in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/08/eu-moving-towards-deal-on-ukraine...
Biggest clown - dictator Putin.
I think Rambozo the War Klown is a bigger clown than Putin. He has started more a lot more conflicts and killed a lot more people than Putin has.
First, discard all the propaganda you have read from all sides in this conflict.
What SANE person in western Europe or North America would even consider going to WAR over Ukraine?
We are NOT talking abbout a "conventional wat" here with divisions of troops, backed by tanks, artillery and aircraft - although it may start that way. We are talking about the PROBABILITY of THERMONUCLEAR WAR, in which hundred of millions of people will be instantly incinerated, followed by the possible extinction of the entire human race.
Over WHAT? Ukraine?
Think about it.
Even if the Ukraine was a member of NATO or the EU, which it IS NOT, NATO wouldn't go to war over it.
When are you Goddamned Morons goiing to figure it out? We own space! We own the Goddamn planet! The Chinese just figured out how to shoot a satellite down. Hooray! We can give a fuck less about the Goddamn Dollar. Why do you think we tell the planet to hug our nuts? BECAUSE WE CAN NUKE YOU FROM GODDAMN ORBIT! This fucking game will play as long as we say so. And if you fuck around we will send a fucking nail gun to help you out.