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Putin, Poroshenko Speak; Kiev Church Says Russian "Under Satan's Spell", Locals Say "Ceasefire Just Theater"
So far, and contrary to most expectations, the latest ceasefire between Ukraine and the eastern separatists, which was announced early yesterday, has managed to hold up. "Contrary" because while it is the talking point of the west that it is Putin's desire to perpetuate the proxy civil war, in reality it was Ukraine's own troops who voiced against a ceasefire as we reported yesterday:
"A ceasefire would be a disaster, we would lose everything. By fighting we can resist the invasion and send them back. With a ceasefire they will consolidate and carry on after a while," said Ukrainian soldier Taras. Another Ukrainian soldier who gave his name as Mykola said Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko - who was attending the second day of a NATO summit in Wales on Friday - would "betray the country" if he backed a peace plan at this time."
Ironically, their rebel opponents share the same but opposite opinion: "The ceasefire is looking good for now but we know they (the Ukrainian side) are only using it to bring in more forces here and ammunition and then to hit us with renewed strength," said one rebel commander in Donetsk known by his nickname Montana.
In other words, both sides believe their adversary is merely using the break in the fighting to regroup and reinforce.
As to whether Ukraine's chocolate oligarch has betrayed his country remains to be seen, but for now the fighting has indeed subsided and the two main confrontation hubs, rebel-held Donetsk and Ukraine-held Mariupol, were quiet on Saturday, despite some isolated shelling overnight near Donetsk's airport, which remains in government hands. Mortar rounds were also fired at regular intervals through Saturday in the vicinity of the airport.
Perhaps to show its determination to preserving the peace, which is somewhat surprising because Putin has said all along he has no say in the Ukraine war, the Kremlin one hour ago released the following trasncript of a phone conversation that took place between the two presidents:
Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.
The discussion focussed on the situation in Ukraine in view of the Contact Group meeting in Minsk on September 5, where a Protocol on assisting a peaceful settlement in the southeast of the country was adopted. Both leaders expressed satisfaction with the fact that the parties to the conflict are generally complying with the ceasefire and stressed the importance of the OSCE monitoring the situation.
The two Presidents also touched upon ensuring the delivery of humanitarian aid to the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
The exchange of views also covered the consultations on the consequences for the Customs Union member-states of the entry into force of Ukraine’s Association Agreement with the EU.
Vladimir Putin and Petro Poroshenko agreed to continue their dialogue.
So as everyone is focusing on the breaking headline that will confirm the latest breach of the ceasefire, what is more important is that late on Friday, the European Union announced new economic sanctions against Russia but said they could be suspended if Moscow withdraws its troops and observes the conditions of the ceasefire.
Russia was not impressed and its foreign ministry responded angrily on Saturday to the measures, pledging unspecified "reaction" if they were implemented. Moscow responded to a previous round of U.S. and EU sanctions by banning most Western food imports. In other words, Europe's triple-dip recession is still guaranteed, regardless of what Draghi does or pretends to do (as noted before, even if this time he actually does more than just jawbone, Europe will not benefit in the least from the "Private QE" announced earlier in the week).
But while Putin is sure to respond to the EU's latest escalation, one person he will certainly have no response to is Patriarch Filaret, the head of Ukraine's Kiev-based Orthodox Church, who said Putin had fallen under Satan's spell and bore personal responsibility for all the bloodshed. As Reuters reports, Filaret, whose church broke from the Moscow Patriarchate in 1992 after the fall of the Soviet Union and the advent of an independent Ukraine, compared Putin, a baptised Orthodox Christian, to Cain, who in the Bible killed his brother Abel.
So based on western propaganda, Putin has now been compared to everything from Hitler, to Stalin, to Cain, to Satan. Clearly everyone is being objective and level-headed.
But for all the rhetoric and posturing, one person summarized it best:
In eastern Ukraine, despite the ceasefire, few expected the crisis to end anytime soon.
"This is no ceasefire but a theatre," said Donetsk resident Ksenia. "This war will go on for five to nine years. Slavs are killing Slavs, there can be nothing worse than that."
She is absolutely correct, and what's worse, the theater will continue for a long time.
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Syrian Girl on the fake beheadings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICrSgJWKtQY&list=UU4unV5BVmWubfAF0Al_AVdw
Since they're saying Putin is satan
Let's get the the primary cause of all this;
Satan is still on earth
And he is also named Amen.
"Theatre." That pretty well describes almost everything nowadays...
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A cease fire presents presents the most opportune time to strike and aquire territory.
Potential gamechanger IF President Poroshenko is telling the TRUTH about one of the NATO countries (US or UK ?) providing PRECISION-GUIDED MUNITIONS to Ukraine.
Does Ukraine have a 155 mm gun that is compatible with the M982 Excalibur?
Good luck with that. The Kiev junta is on their 4th call up or mobilization in the Ukraine. The conscripts who show up have no clue. They are cannon fodder and they do not want to be there.
The poor bastards who foolishly fought for these criminals in Kiev & the State Dept are either dead or they quit and were allowed to be captured. The NovoRussians treat them better than their own army.
Check out Saker or Colonel Cassad for the newest updates:
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/
For the best info on Syria - Syrian Perspective.
http://www.syrianperspective.com/
For how the beheadings were fake: Syrian Girl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICrSgJWKtQY&list=UU4unV5BVmWubfAF0Al_AVdw
HeavyDutyMex:A cease fire presents presents the most opportune time to strike and aquire territory.
'cept for the fact that if that had been Putin's objective all along (to sack Kiev) he could have done it three months ago.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWT5HM_NMlI
Who ringfenced Russia with missiles again?
I don't have a horse in this race and i can care less if slavs and khazars wipe themselves off the face of the earth. My comment was just an observation that a ceasefire is the perfect time to launch an offensive....it's the art of war son.
If Putin really wanted to be destructive he can simply create havoc in the financial markets by events such as pushing gold prices up which would drive Yellen crazy], or selling Treasuries [also drive Yellen crazy], or cutting off supply of PALL, or any number of stawk or derviative things. One never knows if he will use a financial tool as opposed to military.
I don't know why they downvoted you.
One up from me though.
What he should do, is to destabilize the "western" TBTF banks and their daughthers, austrian Raiffeisen and dieErste, italian UniCredit.
Theater? So non-theater is slaughtering civilians and denying people self-determination?
It isn’t theater when you stop killing people, if the reason is peace as Putin has advocated. NATO is planning war.
The key point here is that Putin doesn’t get to help the separatist on their way to self-determination without taking steps toward negotiations; it’s Putin’s peace plan that is a step forward and the ceasefire is a part of it.
By the way, Putin has never said he did not have a say in the war; he has said that Russia was a non-participant. And he has continually criticized the Kiev and NATO assault as wrong. Is that not a “say” in the war.
who shot down mh17, satan, cain, hitler,
stalin or was it the ukraininan air force?
oh, .... it is not even theater, it is
murder. vote of no confidence in the west
is getting very loud. no credibility neo cons
agenda etc. is failing badly and there is no
control, modulation, insight or recognition
in the halls of stupidity and left over power
from a generation that was to care for the
goodies but decided to steal them.
"we have always been at war with eurasia." g.o.
apparently it means absolutely nothing, like everything
else. move along, next episode.
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Tom Waits- Falling Down (Studio) Lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra0Z3pnLA6I
Excellent points. And to back up its aggression against Russian interests, the banker empire dramatically lied about the key provision regarding NATO in the Four Power Agreement allowing unification of Germany.
As Gorbachev has angrily pointed out, the agreement for Russia, Britain, France and the US to allow the German unification to proceed included a promise that NATO would not expand further into the Eurasian region. Of course, this was later denied by Robert Zoellick of the World Bank; an obvious lie because if Russia did not get this guarantee, written or unwritten, the bankers got everything from the German agreement and Russia, nothing.
The scholar Stephen F. Cohen asserted in 2005 that a commitment was given that NATO would never expand further east.
No one, of course, can imagine Gorbachev agreeing to terms that would allow further banker aggression into the Russian zone of influence.
the bankers are desperate for expansion because,
as we all know by now, their leverage debt money
system demands it at all human cost. their priorities
are corrupted by their flawed capacity for thought,
understanding and development. imho. and they
will kill everything to protect their pride and
perceived vital interests. they claim no access to
integrity, truth or humanity; they just want to win
and get all the money and resources. very simple
people these banksters, just the hillbillies
of "money" and small print slight of hand illusions
and a sucker is born every minute. that sucker, they
will turn into meat and feed in a heart beat.
seriously, flight 77 that didn't hit the pentagon
and left no parts, bodies or black box and they
figured out who done it before the explosions
even started. this flight, mh17, they have plane
parts, black boxes, satellite imagery, military escorts
and air traffic logs and they can't tell the world
what happened. how extremely freakin' curious, criminal
and pathological. oh, and they operate a trust based
system, hilarious morons.
The US/UK/Israel would never allow this ceasefire unless it served their purpose, and their purpose is not peace. They started this entire overthrow of the elected govt..
Is it to get their troops out from being cutoff and then attack again? When they do attack again they will have greater NATO support, maybe air support or missles. Will the reattack begin before winter or after winter?
What is Russia's game plan? Why not press the pushing out of the west and let the rebels take control of more of the land? If the ceaefire were to last the winter why would Russia want to allow winter to be taken out of their arsenal?
If I were a EUkrain fighter and Russia allow the west to regroup and then did not take direct action when they reattacked I would be not appreciate Russia causing the increased casualities of my friends.
Are the sanctions against Russia working (doesn't seem so)? Are the elite in Russia conflicted and considering personal finances above overall good (short sighted as the push to loot/destroy Russia will not be abandoned for long)?
The only purpose I can see at this time is that this allows Germany to move toward Russia when the west attacks again. Germany can blaime the US/UK (never blame Israel) or the WUkrain for the renewed attack and not participate in sanctions. But then the US/UK would just covertly destroy the pipelines in WUkrain as the, at least partial, dismantling of Germany seems an objective.
Do not see Putin's plan, unless it is to use the EUkain blood to drain resources of the west in a long term bloodletting sponsored by the west.
They are losing badly. The poor Ukrainians dumb enough to fight are being killed by the thousands. Many have wised up and surrendered because the Russians and NovoRussians treat them with more dignity than the scum in Kiev.
Putin said NovoRussians should allow a corridor for troops in the cauldrons to surrender. When they tried - the Ukrainians used artillery on their own soldiers. Who wants to fight for that evil scum? The young men in the Ukraine, for the most part, tried to avoid being conscripted but they and their families have been threatened.
Sadly, American boys of the north and south were too stupid in being conned to fight The Civil War. 1.1 million murdered by the banksters in that war. The same tribal types involved in slave ships.
Porky was at the NATO meet expecting something to be given to him to turn the tide.
Obviously nothing was forthcoming, so he took the only route left open to him.
Far more telling is the division now showing between the US and most of the rest of
the NATO members. Obozo got given the bums rush on his plans, the Ukes have now
realized they are on their own, and better start dealing with Russia.
The big loser here is the US, the pace is getting quicker for the end of the empire of
chaos.The writing is on the wall, in German.
The situation for the criminal junta in Kiev is getting worse. They pretty mcuh do not have an army left. Hopefully, more of these men and boys will desert. They and their families are being threatened if they try to avoid serving the criminal junta.
The 4th call up will just get young kids and old men. The NovoRussians (NAF) they are facing are battle hardened bad asses. The NAF do not want to fight against fellow Ukrainians but they will kill them if they have to.
Mercenaries? The NAF is giving those f**kers no mercy.
Colonel Cassad's great web site said the criminal Kiev junta is mobilizing old BTR60/70s APCs which are obsolete and 1930s era machine guns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTR-60
The poor conscripts in the Ukie junta army are fleeing and leaving ammo and weapons behind. I pray the NAF, Russians and Putin are merciful on the Ukie conscripts being forced to fight. So far it seems they have been.
I hope the NAF goes to Kiev and shows no mercy on the oligarchs and people who started this.
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/
To their own accounts they lost something between 30.000 and 50.000 men.
This is a reason to stop the Novorossia and the offensive. Otherwise it will stop in Warsaw.
On the other side, it seems, that Putin is having some troubles with his oligarchs and the oligarchs in Novorossia. So he is happy as well to have the CF. His targets are Transnistria and Charkov.
If anyone here thinks Putin isn't concerned about U.S. and NATO capability you are a TOTAL COMPLETE FOOL.
Sure he is. He should be. You Putin lovers need to get a clue. A big clue. A really big clue.
My God, some of the tactical comments are farcical.
The US has been destroyed by Obama and the dual citizens. Take it on the road boy and go fight. Be sucker slave fighting for Obama and the USSA corporations who are leaving the US border wide open. The US military is worthless if the borders are not protected.
Well I have downvoted u.
To whom do you talk here, schisofreny symtomps: You Putin lovers.
As I can say for myself, I do not trust any politicians, "elected", coopted or what so ever empowered. As the overhelming majority of the contributors here.
You have to move to another forum, if you would like to address people, loving politicians, these, or those.
Admit it. You are attracted to safety and Mr. Putin invokes thoughts of safety in your mind.
You will help Russia win. Dig deep/Push hard!
The new world will be called the United Soviet Global Coalition. USGC. No territory is exempt.
Your contributions will be enormous and you/your family will be proud Coalitians.
Let's do this!
Fuck you, fuck Bangalore and the fucking "American" companies who offwhored decent jobs there.
nigel farage saw it coming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEyWWZrDoTg&feature=youtu.be
Has Putin smooched the wailing wall?
He's been there three times. Putin goes everywhere and talks to everyone but only Putin knows whats in Putin's mind.
Western leaders (misleaders) never learn, it seems. Now NATO is talking about rushing Georgia into the club in retribution for what Russia did to them in Ukraine, namely, made them all look like the bunch of morons that they are.
Russia will play the same cards in Georgia and everywhere else where Russian-speaking peoples live, and will humiliate NATO (actually pronounced, NO-DOUGH) on a grand scale, without ever launching an explicit, conventional "invasion".
Putin has planned this for a long time and carefully worked out the overall strategies of how to strengthen and enlarge Russia's Empire, smartly, effectively, against an over-confident, sleeping West that is also economically over-developed and sliding ever faster down to collapse.
He caught them massively on their heels, and he's exploiting it for all it's worth while the exploiting is good.
Stupid assholes! They should have left a napping bear alone and let him have his rightful 'honey'.
Does anyone recognize the fact that the Russian nation has become the new good guys on the block, with moar Christians showing that walk of life than the American or other western countries do now? The west IS the new satan, and the east is moving towards Christianity. Everybody sees and KNOWS who the real warmongers are. The accepted evil is beyond knee deep.
Meh, go figure.
Moar important is the question of whether or not the chilling warning of the COG president cheney will manifest. What did he say about another 9/11? Could it actually happen again on the 13th anniversary of that horrific date in which he and others murdered all those innocent people?
Everybody knows dick and the bush nazi company were involved in the crime of 9/11 with many others. When the transcripts of all the emails from the evil perpeTRAITORS come into the light, or what the babylonian govt fears the most, all people will know the ugly truth of how evil really is. THAT INFORMATION MUST COME FORWARD NOW! They will ALL then have the chance to embrace the saving truth and see that swift and real justice is dealt evenly to save themselves and the planet, or the world will fall to the snakes satanic spell and continue being worthless, careless, useless idiots.
After the meeting in Jackson Hole WY, it was agreed that if all the federal reserve banksters did not have a tax payer bought and paid for underground bunker like dead-eye-dick cheney had, they were all shit out of luck. Old dick has been preparing his nest eggs for some time. Look where his finances are.
To continue the bankster created nazi dream of a NWO and major population elimination for world domination ala the PNAC plans, he dick cheney, the real president of the country in the COG, which is being funded under the radar by tax payer dollars and being readied for the coming govt sanctioned sponsored false flag event, would once again be in command of the next horrific crime to cover up his bankster masters pre-planed crashing of the American economy. All in the tried and true Hegelian dialectic form.
Stay tuned suckers. You wanted change, well get ready, for something wicked this way comes. Pray for the innocents that might be murdered by the evil dick cheney/bush nazi-syndicate.
Research:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-26/dick-cheney-fearmongers-terrorist-attack-bigger-911-will-happen-end-decade
http://wariscrime.com/new/false-flag-gospel-according-dick-cheney/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/10/face-of-the-monstrous-lie-of-911-is-dick-cheney/?utm_source=rss
Russia came out of the Cold War wanting be a good guy like the West, except the West wasn't any good any more.
Then they were caught napping when the West pulled Kosovo out of Serbia in a bloody caesarean section.
Then they were blindsided by the twerp Bush who withdrew the US from the ABM Treaty.
Then NATO and EU opened membership to the old Soviet satellite countries, so that they could park their now-kosher antiballistic missiles in Eastern Europe.
Must not forget the WMD and the invasion of Iraq. The way the whole world just accepted the US invasion has to be the most frightening thing since Hitler rose to power.
There's been a little petty bullshit since then, with the exception of Syria and Ukraine. A false flag gas attack and a false flag passenger jet shot down.
The only chance enlightened civilization has is in the alliance of Russia and China and there is no guarantee that team will get the golden medal.
Ceasefire is already over. Mariupol being shelled right now.
There will be no conventional war between Russia and NATO.
It will either begin with a nuclear first strike and proceed from there.
Or it will continue as a war between proxies (Ukraine v separatists, like Syria and the rebels)
China is not indifferent to the behavior toward Russia of the Western nations with whom it trades and must be speaking to them individually about what a take down of Russia will mean to them in the future.
We probably won't hear China's admonition to the EU, because if it's made public, Western Propaganda will just throw it into its truth mangler and we all hate that.
"Contrary" because while it is the talking point of the west that it is Putin's desire to perpetuate the proxy civil war, in reality it was Ukraine's own troops who voiced against a ceasefire"...
Yes but of course when these canned words are coming out of the Danish sphincter of NATO's spokesperson Foggers Rasmussen on behalf of the MIC/Blackwater mercenary establishment that is potentially making money from all of the chaos, mayhem and death in Eastern Ukraine.
Like ISIS it really boils down to how many dead bought and paid for gun-for-hire they are willing to put up with in NOT getting the job done that will determine this "rinse and repeat" strategy that after 6 months isn't working out too well in that part of the World and is losing money!
I say it 's time for a nice big fat draft out of the mouth of the likes of Charlie Rangel -but "We need another horrific casus belli to get everyone motivated again!
Just when will that need to happen?.... We'll let the deciders in Tel Aviv tell us when!
After all they did such a "bang up" job on that one in lower Manhattan last time!
"We need another horrific casus belli"
Give it time and and more money and instruction from Washington, and ISIS will be as horrific a casus belli as you could ever dream for.
"Slaves versus Slavs"
Divide and conquor- works every time a coconut.
Marie lePenn (France, right wing) says the Ukraine is the work of the USA using Europe as a puppet.
http://rt.com/news/185616-eu-pen-crisis-ukraine/
It's amazing how ZH has become the land of Putin. If you think you have been disillusioned by your "western leaders" then you have some more to learn.
I'm amazed that dumb down people post! If the patriot act is not the Gestapo manifesto I dunno what is! Agenda 21 isn't a reason for de-population (mass killings) I duuno what is? Droning sovereign countries in the name of terrorism (which according to the fascist in DC, I don't need to prove anything, if I say it is, it is!) isn't a fascist/nazi hegemony I dunno what is.
So getting back to your pathetic statement, pls enlighten me on some FACTS! What war(s) is Russia waging? Ops, sorry US is just about everywhere bombing the whole world becoz they are ALL TERRORISTS. Farking idiot.
And before you say Ukraine, lets lay down some FACTS. DC invest $5Billion to install a puppet via an illegal coup. (FACT), you had fascists on their TV forcing people out of office (FACT), US black ops mid night raid on Ukraines central bank 33 tons of gold (FACT) now sitting in the Fed or rehypothed. Oh, lets not forget about controlling the pipelines that feed the EU (too bad, Putin already planned for these criminals, hence alternative routes via pipes such as the Nord/South stream).
So, pls farking enlighten us on what you bring to the table that non of us know and what the facts say outside of the propaganda bullocks the west feeds its sheep and dumb down morons!
The church has been the source of evil from the word go. What do you think the Jesuits are, quier boys! They ARE the criminals!
Satan was running Jerry Lee Lewis too at one point.
Putin may be cool but he never will be Jerry Lee cool.