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The Scotland Referendum: Who Voted How And Why?
The following post-referendum poll from Lord Ashcroft does a good summary of who voted how and why. However, the most telling distinction is the following:
- Voters aged 16-17: YES: 71%; NO: 29%
- Voters aged 65+: YES: 27%; NO: 73%
How will last night's vote look like in 5, 10 or 15 years when today's 17 year olds are Scotland's prime demographic?
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Who COUNTED the votes, how and why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUR-HgAtwtg
Is it democracy?
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/democracy-to-disappear-priests-wil...
And so-called "Euro X-ians" need to be Euthanized as well, following a brown god like that.
yes, in 5, 10 or 15 years, today's 17 year olds will actually be paying taxes and earning a wage. Unlikely that they'll feel the same when it's their livelihood on the line. I'm kinda disappointed the YES voters didn't win. I'd have enjoyed the English demanding in 5, 10 or 15 years that their government build the damn fence to stop those Scottish from fleeing their third-world Petrostate for a better life waiting on tables and cleaning the bogs in London.
The yutes will grow up, continue to vote socialist (as Scotland overwhelmingly is), become corrupted and dependent on the status quo.
Just like mommy and daddy did.
This vote was never in doubt for this very reason.
Or have you forgotten how rabidly liberal the baby boomers were in their yute?
Now look at them. Try to touch their social security and see what happens.
So the Scottish Independent movement is a Children's Crusade.
So Salmond asked the Scots: "Lets take Scotland future to Scotish hands!"
and the majority of Scots answer was: "We like being Westminster's bitch"
Scots have been sodomized for so long that they don't know different, that is how you do it ! Long live the NWO !
Scots for now on will be no longer the victims of bad historic events, no more the FREEDOM brave boys, but the biggest LOSERS of all modern democracies !
I hope Catalans separate from Spain and show how its done.
Were the "Baby Boomers" the ones who stopped respecting their elders?
They were such a massive demographic they created their own reflection of reality.
It may be particularly hard on them when they finally see what they've created.
Alas,
what has been referred to psychologically as the "Stockholm Syndrome",
may henceforth be known sociologically as the "Scotland Syndrome".
I guess William Wallace didn't have a pension.
He created a problem so he could rush to the rescue with the solution.
Scotland WAS his pension. When the English stole Scotland, they stole his pension (and his life) too.
Moral: Armed robbery works if there's enough robbers.
Overall I feel kind of sad for the Scotts, definitely a missed opportunity. As other have pointed out one of the biggest pitfalls here is that the elderly and those who are college age clearly voted to keep their governemnt payments coming (pensions or student loans etc). Unfortunately the ever increasing recipients of welfare state payments seem to have skewed the vote... this has all happened before and it will happen again.
I think in many cases the elderly have far too much invested in the current system to even begin to contemplate its demise, examples of what is coming to their doorstep like Cyprus and Greece seem exotic, and 'it could never happen here.' I think we migh have to wait for a larger collapse in the welfare state before many seperatist movements gain momentum. I'm looking forward to whats going on in Spain though, things there might be desperate enough to produce some change.
"this has all happened before and it will happen again."
Precisely. This is how all empires break down. Read Gibbon's masterwork on the decline of the Roman empire, bitchez.
"History is indeed little more than the register of the crimes, follies, and misfortunes of mankind."
~Edward Gibbon
And we never, ever learn from it.
ZH and no one here has a clue what the hell this is all about.
As soon as the polls closed, the political class started on EXACTLY what this is all about....the break up of England into 9 regions. The EU has for some 50 years planned for this as it disempowers the one state in the 'union' that actually wants out.
So what do you do? Balkanise it. QED.
Dumbass old farts; can't stand even the thought of losing Brit benefits if they had voted for independence. Who cares about the future, I will be dead - fuck the younger do-nothings, I want my food stamps and shitty healthcare.
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I swear nothing exciting never happens. LOL.
today's 17yr olds will be older and wiser in 15yrs time.. Just like the 18yrs olds who voted for Obama would never vote for someone like him in 15yrs time
Scottish Freedom Defeated?
Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.
An English poll predicts that the No vote will get 54%, based on an exit poll. If so, I am disappointed but not discouraged. The No campaign was replete with fear mongering and lying. I kept expecting Cameron to say that ISIS was in favor of independence. But this is only the beginning of the fight for Scottish freedom, which has inspired peoples around the world. Freedom will come to Scotland, and to others held in bondage. After all, Scotland scared the banksters and the rest of the ruling class worldwide. We know we are on the right track.
5:24 pm on September 18, 2014
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/scottish-freedom-defeated/
An embarrassed Scot today. Our older generation have sold us to Brussels!
This vote never was news in the first place. The final outcome was not in doubt except in the minds of ZHers and some of the other doomer blogs who fanned the flames of so they could garner a few more clicks. The vote was nothing but another event in the endless parade of circus acts for the masses. What's different this time is that it was an act even the doomers could get excited about.
I *am* William Wallace!
And I do not see an army of my countrymen, here
no defiance of tyranny.
yesterdsy
i asked you to join me
to come here to fight as free men...
and free men we cudda been.
What could we have done with that freedom.
yesterday
i asked you to fight off the shackles of your enslavement
fight the medicated mind control of the bb rabbi fucking c
and what did you do
for me?
you said not tonight willy
nice and cosy
got me feet up
got me pension to think of.
a dram of cheap eu zone nazi polish potato whiskey
and a dvd and tv.
the spirit of william wallace is dead
ground into the dust
a ritual
a scottish masonic rite
a death sacrifice
instead of right of human life.
fuck you scotch,scots and scotland.
you are just filthy spineless english
medicated bastards
like the ones down south.
enjoy your multiculture ralism zionism
and your future rabbi arse rape.
rejoice in your penile servitude
and gas fracked futures
Yup. William Wallace is turning over in his grave - all five of them!
It’s coming. The rising force of the people against the banks - from fervor in Spain to the new poll in America (showing today one out of four Americans want and lean to having their states withdraw from the union).
The opposition to the government has never been higher.
The powerful turnout of Scottish young people voting overwhelmingly for independence means Scotland will breakaway and fast.
It is clear it is an opposition to the bankers; the bankers are the one trying to hold this together – paying all of the politicians, even the Queen.
I wouldn’t be surprised, tony, if this vote doesn’t come up again within a year.
The Jimmy Reid Foundation published a report in June 2013 demonstrating that London is getting the lion’s share of Scotland’s wealth and that, writes Gordon MacIntyre-Kemp, this wealth drain results in the under-performance of Scotland’s economy. “It highlighted that Scotland’s economy would be 25% larger than it is today in the absence of the historic and present union wealth drain.”
MacIntyre-Kemp wrote in 2013 that “according to the UK Life Expectancy figures, the impact of the unfair distribution of wealth under the Union combined with unemployment caused by deindustrialisation means that people who live in Scotland are dying earlier than those from the wealthiest parts of the UK.
“For example, the male life expectancy in Scotland is 75 versus 79 in the English south east. Possibly more worryingly healthy life expectancy in Scotland is only 59.5 years.”
This causes two big problems, says MacIntyre-Kemp. “First, health care costs in Scotland become higher than the rest of the UK and secondly Scots who pay the same percentage of their wages towards pensions all their working lives will get up to six years less pension.
“So as well as subsidising the rest of the UK during their working lives they do so again in death.”
Where does Scotland’s wealth go?
This only prove that the older you get, the more thought you put into your decisions. Anyone can see the same change in their own actions and opinions over the years.
These young yes voters will vote no later and their kids will vote yes
You are correct but only because people become increasingly reliant and beholden to the welfare state not because they become wiser as your statement seems to imply.
Who cares what young people think. Most of them will change their mind soon enough, as the poll shows.
I was almost a socialist at that age but then I matured.
”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.” Benjamin Franklin
And end up with neither.
Old people suck.
I'm now old (69) people. In my youth during Vietnam I heard a fellow youth say the same thing as you did “...Old people suck...” to a guy about 70. He replied “…look it punk so at what age are you going to kill yourself so it doesn’t suck…I didn’t choose this… my brain is still that of a 25 year old…” I never forgot his words.
I'm now old (69) people. In my youth during Vietnam I heard a fellow youth say the same thing as you did “...Old people suck...” to a guy about 70. He replied “…look it punk so at what age are you going to kill yourself so it doesn’t suck…I didn’t choose this… my brain is still that of a 25 year old…” I never forgot his words.
Young people become old and more reactionary with time.
It's nice that the younger ones are more progressive - but as they age they'll worry more about who's paying them in their retirement.
Now we know what Scots have under their kilts - a Long Shank from an Englishman.
After you've been buggered enough times, you might think they only bugger you because they love you and want to take care of you.
Brain-washing works.
It's very simple. The older generarions LOVE being slaves to the debt based money system. Their motto is : Never speak of the insanity of using unmeasurable, distortion prone fiat currencies!
The older generations DON'T "LOVE being slaves to the debt based money system". They just don't have the luxury of time to rebuild their savings to support themselves after it's been stolen by the younger generation.
Older people are the CONSERVATIVES. The don't want and can't afford change.
the old folks don't want to lose their pensions
the young folks don't care
The young folks need cheap borrowed money to buy stuff without saving for it.
The pensions are "dead money", or so the deadbeats would like you to believe.
The unstated assumption in the article is that the 17 year olds won't change their minds as they get older. Who, at age 30, didn't feel differently about the world than at age 17? Strange person indeed.
Point is, you can't simply carry forward the numbers from the 17 year olds 10 years and conclude that that is how they will vote.
That said, this vote drove home the point that scare mongering is the chosen - and effective - means of keeping the population in check. If it's not the terrorists coming to get you, it's somebody coming for your dole check.
Congratulations Scotland - you have achieved dependency status even faster than the United States - and have shown the oligarchs that once they exceed 50% of the voters on the government dole they can never be defeated politically!
Just the age old scheme of the banksters. The youth, knowing their future is minimum wage whilst the elderly hope to protect what is left of their pensions. Have them fight each other instead of lynching the bankster causes.
Seeing the comments of the "whippersnappers" on this board. Convinces me that "yes we can" and "hope and change" are slogans still looking like shiny objects in the corner - at least in the minds of ignorant, unwise idots. And will fall for the tricks each and every time.
Wait... they let 16-17 year olds vote??
ITS MY BABY
I’m old an ¼ Scottish and part of the Campbell clan. I would have voted ‘Yes’ in a heartbeat…
The real story is in the rest of the age groups, and the reasons they gave for their vote.
Every age group under 35 was solidly for independence. Under 55 were narrowly for independence. Only the two oldest age groups were on balance for union.
The top five reasons for independence were:
1) Disaffection with Westminister politics.
2) The NHS
3) Taxes and pulbic spending
4) Oil
5 Jobs.
The top five reasons for union were:
1) The Pound (monetary fear)
2) Pensions (Free money)
3) The NHS (Free Healthcare)
4) Tax and public spending
5) Defense
WHAT A PICTURE!
The independents are young, want to work, are tired of heavy taxes, regulation, and giveaways at their expense.
The Unionists are old, on a public pension, want free healthcare and public benefits, and want to be defended against those they loot of those things.
Based on this survey it looks like the productive faced the Free Shit Army (FSA) and lost.
Of course...they could just stop working a la Atlas Shrugged.
But evidence is that the Elites would simply import middle easterners to do the work in between episodes of beheading.
Civilisational Suicide at the hands of the elites.
Voting pattern matches the IQ graph from a couple days ago. No wonder all the older people are taking the jobs.
The older they get, the more their palms get stuck to the front of their ankles.
"If you're not a rebel when you're twenty, then you got not heart, but if you haven't turned establishment by 30 then you got not brains!" -Buddy Ackerman
"Babe, don' wanna get older. Feels like it's closer everyday."- Jack Green
"Keep your mind and your head and you'll never, ever get old." - Tones on Tail
"If you sat around there long enough and heard all the phonies applauding and all, you got to hate everybody in the world, I swear you did." - Holden Caufield
"Hope I die before I get old." - Roger Daltrey
But I know we all can't stay here forever,
so I want to write my words on the face of today.
and then they'll paint it
Shannon Hoon (Blind Melon)
I think the "Yes" vote would have won if they had just used Willie's old trick and spun some Fleetwood Mac theme music..."Go Your Own Way"...eh? LOL
Sure, whatever moats your castle, as'le. Of course,
this ain't the planet of sound.
The graph shows that the older crowd more dependent on government would vote NO to make sure they get there free stuff. Younger people realize current system does not work for them and were willing to roll the dice for a different future. Should show the graph on who has a job and who does not.
Keep stacking.
How will last night's vote look like in 5, 10 or 15 years when today's 17 year olds are Scotland's prime demographic?
About the same, except the fraud will be committed with voting machines next time.
Look Scotland, you don't vote your way to Independence. You want to be free of England and her pedophillic, drug-pushing, fish-blooded queen? Next time march South and raze every building, burn every crop, salt every field, and set seige to every city; then they might listen to you.
"How will last night's vote look like in 5, 10 or 15 years when today's 17 year olds are Scotland's prime demographic?"
The vote will like today's because the kids will be adult and they 'll vote NO.
To lower the aging vote for this referendum was a huge intentional manipulation as evidenced by the result but fortunately it has not sufficed.
Observations of the voting stats:
As a group, the people under 54 years old voted FOR independence. Only the 54+ crowd on balance were against. This means that if the overall vote was 55-45 against independence, there must be a shitload of old people in Scotland. Amirite?
Also notice how few of the YES voters stated benefits as a reason to part ways, and more about having enough of London. I was surprised that oil didn't feature more prominently.
45% of the YES voters want a revote within 5 years. The YES voters are heavily biased toward the younger crowd, so in 5 years they will have moved up in the social hierarchy. This referendum will come up again soon. It's not over.
This is the same thing that will be happening all over the place. The over 65+ crowd was promised security and money for life by the politicians they elected in power throughout their life, and those politicians robbed and stole with the people's approval.
Now the over 65 crowd wants their children to support them in the manner they became accustomed to.
Meanwhile, the younger generations can't even get a stinking job, because they've all been outsourced, downsized, and the older folks have already trained their Indian and/or Chinese replacements.
People will sell their own kid down the river for a some government bennies. The sooner it all comes crashing down, the better. Watch Gordon Brown cut their pensions anyway when the Union goes bankrupt.
Old fucks have completely fucked up the world, and now they want their cut. Well, fuck them. I hope they die of ebola.
The 65+ lived in a more trusting age.
MSM was unanimous in its support of a negative stance (another attraction for people with aches and pains) and, not having access to alternative media, a large part of the population was simply misled to the extent that they ignored the question asked (should Scotland be an independent country) and (apparently) answered no to a different one (ie should Scotland divorce from england, should we break up britain, do you feel safe at night, etc.)
The most curious observation for me is that following a debate that galvanised the whole of society and mobilised an additional 50% of voters over and above those who turned out in 2010 there do not seem to be any happy winners locally.
In a country of party animals, the parties have been conspicuous by their absence - of course maybe the OAP and nursing homes have been wheeling and jigging since the early hours of Friday.