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US & Arab Partner Nations Begin Airstrikes In Syria - Live Feed
As the broad coalition crumbled, it appears Washington decided there was no time to waste:
- *U.S., PARTNER NATIONS STRIKING ISIS IN SYRIA: PENTAGON
- *U.S. USING FIGHTERS, BOMBERS, TOMAHAWKS TO ATTACK ISIS
NBC News reports the attack includes drones and is expecting to hit up to 20 targets. FOX is reporting Qatar is among the arab nation coalition (along with UAE, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Bahrain), according to Lt. Col. Oliver North, which is rather surprising given their rather well-known support for Al-Nusra.
The bombing of isis was always the easy part. Who takes over was never made clear. And the devil is in the details, always
— Richard Engel (@RichardEngel) September 23, 2014
Clever to do strikes during un gen assembly. World leaders have to accept to deny. Isis strikes.
— Richard Engel (@RichardEngel) September 23, 2014
Told Isis had time to move into civilian areas. Hide weapons. Now theyre on move. Expect followup from all sides
— Richard Engel (@RichardEngel) September 23, 2014
Live Feed...
Fox reports...
The United States launched airstrikes in Syria against ISIS targets, sources tell NBC News.
The U.S. military plans to strike up to 20 targets — logistics, fuel and weapons depots; training sites; troop encampments; command and control sites; and headquarters for the Sunni fighters.
The U.S. military will deploy manned and unmanned air assets, including F-22s, B-1 bombers, F-16s, F-15s and F/A-18s.
The aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush is at the ready in the Persian Gulf, and the USS Arleigh Burke, a guided missile destroyer that fires Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles (TLAMs), is in the Red Sea.
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Statement from Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Admiral John Kirby
TAMPA, Fla. – The Department of Defense released the following statement from Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby today:
“I can confirm that U.S. military and partner nation forces are undertaking military action against ISIL terrorists in Syria using a mix of fighter, bomber and Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles.”
“Given that these operations are ongoing, we are not in a position to provide additional details at this time.
The decision to conduct theses strikes was made earlier today by the U.S. Central Command commander under authorization granted him by the commander in chief.
We will provide more details later as operationally appropriate.”
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And here is President Obama disagreeing with John McCain's call for airstrikes in Syria in 2012...
Sen. John McCain today called for the United States to begin air strikes against the government of Syria, but the Obama administration indicated it did not agree with his strategy.
“Foreign capitals across the world are looking to the United States to lead, especially now that the situation in Syria has become an armed conflict,” the Republican from Arizona said on the Senate floor. “But what they see is an administration still hedging its bets — on the one hand, insisting that Assad’s fall is inevitable, but on the other, unwilling even to threaten more assertive actions that could make it so.”
But a senior Obama administration official indicated to ABC News that the president and his advisers did not agree with the Republican senator.
“We share his concern and outrage about what’s taking place,” the official said. “We’re also concerned that further military intervention will accelerate the conflict on the ground and worsen the humanitarian situation without stopping the violence the Syrian regime is committing against its own people.”
The official said the U.S. “wants to keep putting pressure on the Assad regime.”
The official noted that the Syrian situation is very different from Libya in many key technical ways, that make them question how effective airstrikes against the Syrian regime would be.
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Summarizing in under 140 characters...
U.S., PARTNER NATIONS STRIKING ISIS IN SYRIA: PENTAGON. Translation: Qatar bombing the Assad regime to clear way for its natgas pipeline
— zerohedge (@zerohedge) September 23, 2014
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The damage has begun...
Ar-Raqqah #Syria under attack earlier pic.twitter.com/aDQ0FlR0ts
— Zaid Benjamin (@zaidbenjamin) September 23, 2014
"The US has launched nearly 200 strikes against ISIS targets in Iraq." New strikes in Syria: http://t.co/EsaOSU1m1d pic.twitter.com/zaDBdyqaaw
— CBS News (@CBSNews) September 23, 2014
#Breaking: #IS instructs its fighters to leave its #HQs in ar-Raqqah to the rural areas - Activists #Syria
— Zaid Benjamin (@zaidbenjamin) September 23, 2014
#Breaking: 4 US missiles fall on Kafrdayan near Sarmada #Idlib - Activists pic.twitter.com/hk80r0rwqC
— Zaid Benjamin (@zaidbenjamin) September 23, 2014
#Breaking: The palace of ar-Raqqah governor in destroyed in airstrikes - Activists pic.twitter.com/7ZxbZ1hZwv
— Zaid Benjamin (@zaidbenjamin) September 23, 2014
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As we have noted previously, Russia is entirely against a U.S. intervention in Syria which targets essentially the Assad regime for the simple reason that all such an action would do is fast track Qatar's pipeline to Europe and leave Gazprom, pardon the pun, in the cold... (via Maria Dubovikova of Al-Arabiya)
U.S. President Barak Obama addressed the nation on Wednesday, saying that the U.S. is going to expand the air campaign against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS). He said he would not hesitate to authorize direct strikes against the militant group and its fighters in Syrian territory.
This decision, despite the demonstrated enthusiasm and assertiveness of the U.S. president, is very unlikely to be effective and could even worsen the crisis, pushing the situation to the point of no-return.
First of all, the Syrian government sustainably strikes the positions of the rebels, including ISIS, with relative success. Thus it is quite evident that airstrikes are not effective in fighting ISIS. According to the fighters’ revelations, they know where to hide in the case of airstrikes as they have gained experience in the years they have been fighting against Assad’s forces. This is common for both moderate Syrian opposition fighters and ISIS. Despite the will not to put boots on the ground, the U.S. has no other option if they intend to lead the international coalition. Moreover, it’s impossible to create an effective coalition and battlefront if Iran and Syria are not to be included.
No clear strategy
Obama has no clear strategy to fight ISIS and the terrorist group does not consider him a threat. It took a long time for Obama to admit that ISIS is a terrorist organization and a true threat. It took the beheading of American citizens to make Obama publically realize this.
There are deep concerns that the U.S. will bomb not only ISIS positions in Syria, but also the Syrian government forces
It appeared to be a strong enough argument to start thinking about what should be done to stop the threat. For a rather long time, ISIS fighters were opportune terrorists as they were fighting against Damascus. The policy of dividing the terrorists into good terrorists and bad terrorists seems like a bad joke by the White House.
The decision announced by the U.S. president cannot be taken out context of America’s intense tensions with Russia. Russia was the third country to criticize the U.S. decision to bomb ISIS terrorists on Syrian territory, after the Syrian and Iranian governments. It’s not the best company to keep when opposing Obama’s decision in terms of international prestige and perception, however, it was to be expected.
The criticism came both from Russia’s leader Vladimir Putin and from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman Alexander Lukashevich.
The criticism is based on one key point: without the Syrian government’s agreement and a UNSC mandate, the U.S. strikes in Syria would be a gross violation of international law and should be considered an act of aggression. Moreover, Moscow didn’t pass over in silence the double standard approach of Washington, as while helping Iraq to fight the terrorists on its territory, the U.S. president called for approval for more funding of the so-called armed opposition in Syria. Also, recent revelations by fighters in the pages of the Western press purport that the moderates in Syria are absolutely demoralized, weak and their ranks thinned out as the fighters join ISIS. In light of such reports, it is not clear which party Obama is going assist in this case and how his calls correspond to the real situation on the ground.
Heightened U.S. awareness
In general, Russia welcomes heightened U.S. awareness of the crisis – it is better late than never. Minister of Foreign Affairs Serguei Lavrov even criticized the U.S. on September 10 over its supposed double standard approach, saying that “the Americans are bombing them (ISIS) on Iraqi territory, but they do nothing with them in Syria.” Russia would even approve the U.S. strikes against ISIS fighters in case of Washington’s cooperation with Damascus on the matter.
But now there are deep concerns that the U.S. will bomb not only ISIS positions in Syria, but also the Syrian government forces. These concerns can be explained by the fact that evidently the strikes against ISIS could play into hands of Damascus and this doesn’t correspond with the U.S. interests. Taking into account that during all these years of the Syrian war the U.S. could have been trying to realize its plans to bomb Syria, they could take advantage of this situation.
If the U.S. bombs the positions of government forces, by mistake or with malicious intent, this would have doubly unpredictable consequences, both at the international and regional levels.
For sure, this will trigger a new crisis with Russia. The crisis of credibility in bilateral relations will reach the highest point. Russia will ultimately respond to the possible aggression. But how? It’s a big question with a difficult to predict answer. Moreover, possible strikes against Damascus’ forces will blow up the remains of credibility of international law, international systems and institutions. After the meeting over Iraq in Paris on Monday, Russia’s foreign minister stressed that the international community should build common action “on a solid foundation of the United Nations Charter and U.N. counter-terrorist instrument and mechanisms.” The call to respect the U.N. Charter is clear and logical, however its solidness, as well as that of the U.N. system in general, is already in doubt. Any further violations of international law and U.N. principles will definitely be the last straw, leading to international chaos.
Regional level
On the regional level, the U.S.’s possible bombing of Damascus’ forces could strengthen ISIS. Relations with Iran could become more exacerbated, that could worsen the cooperation with it on other vital issues such as its nuclear program. The Iranian rejection of cooperating with the U.S. against ISIS is already an unpleasant turn, mostly conditioned by already an committed mistake – Iran was not invited to the international conference on Iraq in Paris.
If the U.S. only strikes ISIS positions on Syrian territory and refrains from bombing Syrian government forces – this would be better for stability and be more predictable in terms of consequences, however it would never resolve the ISIS problem. Airstrikes are inefficient. A full-scale intense ground operation is needed. A true strategy is required, not a strategy of clichés, useless declarations and beautiful words for the ears of American citizens.
Moreover, it should be remembered that ISIS is primarily an idea, an idea making even Europeans and Americans leave their homes and join the group. Ideas cannot be defeated by bombs, actually, bombs make them stronger.
U.S. involvement in the anti- ISIS drive is indispensable, both in Syria and Iraq, especially taking into account its military capabilities. However, it is only positive as part of a sophisticated strategy approved by the international community. It is time the international community elaborate on the strategy to deal with ISIS.
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...In other words, expect a Russian response shortly...
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With a waning Crescent moon!
It just don't get any better than this, does it?
Lunar Sabbath.
Theoretically, September 21 to October 31 is the occultists' busy sacrifice season...this is how these crazies roll and it looks like Syria could be the altar.
[Statistically speaking, also a coincidence]
a. September 21
Mabon - one of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights
b. September 21 -22 - Autumnal Equinox
From this date through Halloween, occultists believe the veil separating the earthly dimension from the demonic realm gets progressively thinner, with the thinnest night being October 31; this thinning of the separating veil makes it easier for the demonic realm to enter the earthly dimension.
Thus, on Halloween, evil spirits, ghosts, witches, hobgoblins, black cats, fairies, and demons of all sorts were believed to be running amok across the land. They had to be back in their spiritual dimension before midnight, Halloween, for the separating veil would then get thicker.
Once again, I reiterate, this is occult belief, not mine! October is a most propitious month to the Illuminati.
c. October 31 - Samhain
Also known as Halloween, or All Hallows Eve as designated by the Catholic Church. This date is the Illuminati's highest day of human sacrifice
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/cienciareal20.htm
"An oracle concerning Damascus: See Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins"
Yup, weeks.
An American, not US subject.
So, basically Obama surrendered to Pentagon + Saudis
Which would mean Quantitative Easing to start unwinding soon.
Bank lobby losing
Pentagon winning
ekm1
god willing assad will out live your fat pink zionist festering carcase
Which location in Moscow are you posting from?
It is bad when Assad looks like the arab moderate.
Uh ... he *is* the only arguably reasonable leader in the entire Middle East. Maybe not a real stand up guy by Western standards (unless you choose to include the rulers of just about every Democrat ruled municipality in the country), but by the standards of the Middle East? He's like Mother Theresa. Frankly, I'd rather have him in charge than Harry Reid. Or Nancy Pelosi. Or Olympia Snowe. Or any of their ilk. At least he seems to have some concern for his country. Read about him. Kind of an interesting bio, actually.
As we've seen with Qadaffi, Sadam and others, its a tough region to be sherrif in.
I swear, all those ex military types on CNN and Fox have boners right now.
yeah, right...
the thought of an all out thermal nuclear war...
makes my testicles want to turn into inputent raisins and make a B-line for my large intestine...
and i understand the word..WAR!
ekm1
Assad will go.
And how about China?
I think China likes see Russia in trouble and more dependent on them, the Chinese.
too far
China does not have such capabilities to get involved in the middle east yet.
Zaphod Beeblebrox! Zaphod Beeblebrox!
Damn. He picked a fine time to lose the balance on his meds. I woulda loved to hear him chime in on this shit.
Freedom! Democracy! ...and Stuff!
ekm1,
No. I didn’t mean physical presence by the Chinese Military.
I meant that it will push Russia into the hands of the Chinese, thus giving too much power ‘leverage’ to China.
I find unlikely that communist Russia wants to see a too an even more powerful communist China involvement on their affairs.
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blowback...may result in more refugees in Jordon and Turkey, civil unrest and more instability in the region over time. Certainly, EU/UK want none of this because of the potential for civil disruptions in all EU major cities. It will only get worse over time as the millions of muslins in EU/UK force major political changes. In 5 years, EU countries will be like Turkey, scared shitless.
Here is what russians are busy playing with and this is not a drill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_b12sxA9OA
Shoot and scoot. Shoot again.
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That is who this is about. It had nothing to do with ISIS
Please. Start a ZH TV channel so I can actually watch TV again and agree what is being said on it.....
Ahhh. There it is.
And Hell followed...
Last week I was happy there was going to be a December this year. Now I don't know if there will be Sunday Night Football this week.
Yeah, that would spoil my negro worship too.
Cheer up, Roberto. You'll still probably make it to the October Christmas sale markdown and close outs.
Be happy.
I'm buying a French frying pan. They are on sale.
Oh! We are sorry to report that US Air Force hit Syrian armed forces installations, purely by mistake! Honestly, we had no intention of hitting Assad's forces!
Exactly - they'll be hitting Assad's military and Christian enclaves while ignoring ISIS.
"Mission Accomplished".
Well, the carrier USS George H.W. Bush is standing by just in case a scapegoat is needed ;-)
Didn't he win a Nobel Peace Prize before his inaugeration?
It's way cool to be a Negro in America.
Especially being gay and married to a man pretending to be a woman. This guy has struck the PC mother lode.
Miffed;-)
Wait till a stray shot hits the Russian navy base at Tartus.
Pretty sure any jet gets within 100 miles of that base will find his threat indicator lighting up like a Christmas tree.
I'm wondering if they cooperate with Assad. They know he can take out US planes in fact they told him not to. If he sees US taking out his radar once my guess it's him all in and US planes will come down.
I am sure that a MH-17 like false-flag of a DC US fighter by Assad is in the works.
Now, don't bogart the popcorn...
An American, not US subject.
I'm surprised Russia is remaining quite here. They did afterall disarm Assad of his Chemical weapons. That does imply some level of protection against Syria's natural enemies at times of vulnerability.
Relax they got this. Counter-attack on the dollar gets real.
Some sort of kinetic military action directed at perpetrators of workplace violence is my best guess ;-)
Those aren't boots-boots on the ground.
He didn't place those boots on the ground by himself.
Yes, it should make a lovely golf course.
Looks like he's making a lot of sand traps though ;-)
What happened to all those US servicemen who were photographing themselves holding up signs that said, "I didn't sign up to fight for Al Qaeda?"
Idiots, I guess they forgot!
This shit doesn't stop until the US servicemen start saying NO.
Fuck ISIS, fuck Qatari pipelines, fuck Al CIA-Duh. This is about Rothschild gaining control over these peoples' bank.
Nothing more (nothing less).
I just don't understand the military. Certainly by now, even the most dimwitted of them, must realize that these wars are all a farce. Where's the mutiny?
Perhaps you don't understand the military because3 you never served? Who is the dimwit?
...um...you?
It beats doing Ebola duty in Liberia.
The progs are gonna be completely confused, they thought ebola was "the good war".
Jeez, I didn't know those ebola guys were getting bombed too!
Where is that country anyway?
Right up until your Carrier gets a Sunburn....
THIS IS BULLSHIT!
OBAMA IS A WARTIME PRESIDENT!
IMPEACH!!!! IMPEACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No shit! NO SHIIIT!!!!
Why don't you call your Congressional Representative(TM)
They'll be super-responsive, once they check with AIPAC
I'm trying to make a god damn point. If you don't want to make points then get the fuck outta Fight Club.
+1 my skittle shitting friend.
Bust them fucking chops.
Soul Glow
I thought I just did.
Perhaps you'd like to re-read my post, more slowly this time. The jab wasn't at you, my friend.
Or, you could just fuck yourself. Either way.
Obozo finally got his war on Syria. All in the name of peace of course.
Putin can up the ante.
He can make this a very dangerous nuclear game of chicken.
Ride that nuke down to it's target Victoria Nuland when the SHTF.
The US needs to stay out and go after ISIS.
Just sell the UST's held in Belgium. JFC!
ISIS/L are a ficticious bunch of actor rif raf staged for this precise purpose. They will be made just as irrelevant as the media and US gov. made them noteworthy.
From the New York Times headline:
U.S. and Allies Hit ISIS Targets in Syria
Nice obfuscation on who the allies are. 'None from the West' should be part of the headline.
One can surmise the desperation occurring behind the scenes.
The French flew one of the jets they have been trying to sell on a bombing mission. I guess the things work.
It was the only way they were going to make the sale to Qatar
What an evil cuntry Amerika is.
1% waning crescent moon could have something to do with it.
Sick fuck.
Islamic symbol, crescent moon.
Now they're rally gonna be pissed off.
So Illuminati of them.
Dark night sky knuks, ie new moon, loved by the stealthy.
Shall I elaborate?
No, no, I understand. The Crescent moon tho, is represented in several Illuminati symbols, is on their flags, etc.
Simply deeply Satanic and all....
"I, Isis, am all that has been, that is or shall be; no mortal Man hath ever me unveiled."
The Goddess of the Moon, the Virgin of the World, raped and dismembered. On the fucking Autumn solstice. Astrotheologically astounding, synchro-mystically repulsive.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta10.htm
Finally the Neocons in Washington have gotten into Syrian airspace to bomb. Assad will soon be dragged into this as the US will provoke and provoke until they can claim hostil Syrian fire and then go all in to flatten the entire state of Syria. CNN is already wetting it's pants over this prospect. One more step closer to bombing the Syrian cities, towns, industry and government. One more nation the USA has laid total waste to. Go team, I am a real American, a patriot so I will be up watching CNN to get the latest strike information. Fuck, this never bloody ends, does it? Notice Democrats are all over this supporting the war president, just like Republicans pissed on them selves to support Bushy Boy when he invaded Iraq and destroyed the government of Iraq which was a sworn enemy of Al-Qaeda, and has with total success kept radical Islam out of Iraq.
These disgusting fucks armed, trained and funded the very Islamic Jihad army they now pretend to need to bomb. This really is too much. As usual, the American sheep sit and chew their fucking cuds.
The sheep are way too busy watching monday night football..
Bears 17, Jets 13
jets have a black quarterback
He is a switch hitter.... wrong game.
I bet the announcers are talking about it in "grave" voices.
IDF is a "silent" partener in this. Things are going to happen...
Just wait until the first F/18 is shot down. It will be the clusterfuck of all clusterfucks. These people in Washington are beyond crazy.
Just wait until Isreal sinks our Carrier with a captured Sunburn Missle.
You read it here.
And my homegrown Aussie.gov.terror Bought 14 f-35 and on july this year then ordered 58 fucken more grey pigeons,They have been flogging the terror bullshit for a solid week.I think there all ready plus the G2O in brisbane coming up.
Jack - this one is grinding the curb - the invisible hand is just a little too opaque here. That tells me 1 thing - change is coming soon. Take what you will from what I am saying. I think you get the gist. Things get uglier soon.
Time to batten down the hatches! In Washington D.C. that is!!!
No worries?...
Between ISIS/ISIL traversing our borders from Juarez Mexico and Ebola "not really" hitting the U.S. yet Obama and Congress have all the bases loaded.
Now all we need is one of these to really set the party in motion!
Any minute now!!!!
Time to lock in on Alibaba before it goes over $100.00 a share!!!
Don't forget this is not a war on Islam.
You got that right.
It's a war on humanity.
War on those that consider themselves human and not "chosen."
An American, not US subject.
"Yeah, I said it, but did you get it."
The previous "victory" whereby public opinion prevented the US from starting a bombing campaign in Syria seems pretty hollow now.
Pyrrhic
yeah, notice there was no discussion this time, no approvals, nothing.
At least the Bush's got formal UN and or Congressional Yea's. Constitutional Scholars Know Best
In the infamous words of a former "top diplomat" & Secretary of State "What does it matter now!?!?"
The same one that bravely dodged sniper fire in Bosnia? :)
Thats the one, such a patriot.
Did ya know she left the WH "dead broke"? She gave up everything for us!
We are unworthy of her sacrifice ;-)
restraint .... terribly difficult
Very ambiguous situation. It sounds like a full-scale attack one would make on a nation-state, first taking out the anti-aircraft, otherwise there's hardly a point in both tomahawks and B-1s. I'm gonna guess we're bombing both sides. I await details, which may not be forthcoming.
both sides? or all three? how many sides are there and who is an ally this week? its a total clusterfuck... the original strategy gem was to bomb both sides equally - kinda Tee-Ball version of war.
and on the Home Front via Drudge - Obomber now locking the WH's front door
My guess is they'll likely bomb a couple ISIS sites for PR, while takking out as much of Assad's support as possible.
Nah. This is just about getting arms and cash into the right hands. Nothing more. Unintended consequences are hardly unintended here. Anyone not realizing this is all part of a larger game is just a fool. Cannon fodder at best.
- kinda Tee-Ball version of war. _
What else would you expect from a man who wears Grandma Jeans?
The timeline for this story on breakingnews includes this gem. Then it is immediately followed by a list of targets and a timeline from ABC/NBC/CBS/AP.
Pentagon Press Secretary on US airstrikes in Syria: 'Given that these operations are ongoing, we are not in a position to provide additional details at this time. The decision to conduct theses strikes was made earlier today by the U.S. Central Command commander under authorization granted him by the commander in chief' - @PentagonPresSec"he decision to conduct theses strikes was made earlier today by the U.S. Central Command commander under authorization granted him by the commander in chief'"
Unfortunately for them, CIA-Obama does not have a "declaration of war" from CONgress. Therefore, by connect the dots, this is Unconstitutional, an oath violation and criminal for all involved.
An American, not US subject.
"I am neither a Constitutional scholar nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I have read Constitution."
Sorry, the constitution was found unconstitutional. FORWARD!!
"After consulting with everybody and being told to drop dead...
The importance of the Constitution is two fold:
1) It has not been formally repudiated and therefore is still the "law of the land."
2) The Constitution is the key source of unity for the American people. Otherwise we will spend all of our time and resources fighting each other instead of restoring the Constitutional republic. The Constitution and/or form of government can be changed once the criminals have been removed from power.
The Constitution's failures are not it failures, but ours, the American people's. The Constitution is nothing more than ideas on paper, but those ideas do not protect us. Only by taking up and embracing those ideas can they protect us. Those ideas of freedom from government molestation, and of Life, Liberty and Property protected by law, must reside in us, in our minds, and in our hearts. If they do not, those ideas die and freedom with it. Then we die.
We are the Constitution, the American people, and we need to stand up and demand the Constitution be followed and adhered to otherwise we are doomed to live as farm animals to power and the banksters.
An American, not US subject.
Putin counters with air/missile strikes on Ukrainen forces?
Yes, after Kiev landed three ballistic missiles on Donetsk on Sunday, would it not be nice to wake up Tuesday to news of three Russian ballistic missiles impacting the city of Kiev? I think it is time to play fair, and "fuck up" some Kiev Nazis.
Fuck up some Kiev and Illinois Nazis! ;-)
If the US attacks Iraq Russia will, oh wait. If the US attacks Libya Russia will, oh wait. If the US attacks Syria Russia will for sure fire on US ships and launch anti aircraft missles given to Syria, oh wait.
While Assad is seeing his people murdered soon I doubt a few missiles by Russia in Ukrain will mean much. And Putin will not launch.
Now is the time for NATO to fully arm the West Ukrain and change the game again on Putin. Putin had a chance (using EUkrain blood) to push the West out of EUkrain but he stopped.
Russia's failure to hold any line will result in the fall of Iran. Russia will have NATO missiles in Ukrain.
Ok, who is playing chess and who is playing checkers here. The west is going to drive a tank over all the way to Russia's front door while Russia plays chess.
Somebody just called Putin's bluff. They will get it all, including everything we have too.
The US is potentially making a big mistake attacking Syria.
Assad has the s-400 russian missile defense system.
This could sink US ships in the Mediterranean.
It will happen, but it will probably be the Dancing Mossads again.
An American, not US subject.
Who doesn't like dancing?
I wish they did have modern Anti Aircraft missiles like S-300 and S-400, but they do not. Russia did not sell any of these systems to Assad or to Iran. Putin, as always, tried to please America and the EU and passed up Assads money and Irans money. These sales were signed, but not delivered, contract were cancelled on Moscow's end. Putin was rewarded for folling Washington's demands by the AMerican led coup in Kiev, and the American funded mass war on East Ukraine. Putin keeps getting ass fucked, I wonder will he ever wake up. He caved in again and ordered the rebels to stop fighting just as they had destoryed 60% of the entire Ukrainina field army, and had eliminated it's air force from the battle.
Apparently, negotiating with the NWO is like negotiating with Hitler, which was like negotiating with the Conquistadors. "We come in peace and love, and as soon as we can lull you into a weak position for just one instant, we will take you prisoner and replace you with our puppets and take your women and land and enslave your children for ever and ever. We do this in peace and love because Our God told Our High Priest that everyone else besides us - at least everyone else who has women, land, and children - worships Satan, and therefore we must enslave them, in order to glorify us... we mean Him."
This is like hating Vietnam vets.
I don't want to see a single American killed in this. PERIOD.
You're on the wrong website buddy.
May I suggest foxnews.com ?
Vietnam Vets were drafted into LBJ-Democrat war. They had no choice. They got F'ed over just like every soldier.
Well at least I understand the economic plan better now. "Get the draft to come to me."
Agree with just about everything you have stated thus far on what we think we already know JB
The one thing you left out that is pertinent and probably the most important is that the EU is on it's knees, and the partnerships and inroads that Putin is making with the BRICS and the demise of USD is expediting all of this wonderful "shit" to come to a head.
The "beauty" and the "beast" in all of this is that Russia is decimating the U.S. economy pretty much single handedly and shaking the biggest jewels from the EU's crown the biggest of which that sits on top being Germany! Giving the U.S., U.K. and Israel the last bit of rope to finish the ‘Robin Williams choke-yourself-to-death" fest and it's working like a well made Swiss watch.
The bad news is Putin and his counterparts are leaving their ally Assad and that business partner of 50 years Syria to "twist in the wind" in order to mire the U.S. military deeper into the mash pit it can no longer extricate itself from. This might be the straw that finally breaks the camel’s back when you add it to the worst move the U.S. ever could have created for itself with the misadventure in Ukraine.
Vladimir Putin. Mission Accomplished!!!
He's certainly no angel. And I couldn't agree with you more that what is happening now in Syria like Ukraine is criminal to allow when Russia could have done so much more in defending her after 5 million refugees and more than 200,000 dead.
But you have to add to this calculus that Putin knows how brain damaged these fucks in Tel Aviv and Washington are, and knows full well what they are willing to risk at this point to maintain their control in the energy world with the now soon to be extinct petrodollar!
Well said. They're dangerous mofos, willing to do anything to maintain the dollar ponzi. Look at 3,000 dead in 9/11, MH17, before that MH 370. Dangerous Western populations are hypnotized by Western MSM.
Depends what the deal is Jack. If the US limits it's attacks to ISIL then Assad and Putin are probably content for Obama to be his airforce, but if the Syrian military is hit then either Obama crossed them or Putin sold out the Syrians for something else. Too early to tell as nothing is black and white geopolitically anymore and getting less so every day.
Lavrov tells US to respect Syria’s sovereignty while tackling ISISWashington should respect the sovereignty of Syria in its attempts to deal with the Islamic state, Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in a phone call with his US counterpart, John Kerry.
Lavrov and Kerry talked on Sunday at the initiative of the US Secretary of State, Russia’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
During the conversation, the Russian FM stressed “the importance of coordinated action... by the international community aimed at countering the threat” coming from the Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS).
However, he warned against “double standards” and “distortion of facts” during the battle against the terrorist group, which has declared a caliphate in the occupied territories of Syria and Iraq.
Lavrov underlined “the necessity for strict adherence to the UN Charter and international law as well as unconditional respect for Syrian sovereignty during the implementation of plans by the US-led coalition, which includes the use of force," the statement by the ministry said.
http://rt.com/news/189464-lavrov-kerry-isis-syria/
Let's see who drops the first coalition aircraft. Who done it?
Assads house has probably already been leveled with the first bomb, whoops that one got away from us, sorry about that over there.
Damn shame too, his wife is a nice looking lady who needs to tan by her pool, she'll make you drool if you think about her wool, but just go to the bathroom and drop your stool, then soon you will find out if your mind is just being cruel, about wanting to work on her with your tool, but you indeed sir are not a fool.
Cool!
What about the ISIS militants in Turkey? When can we bomb them?
Slow down there Sen. McCain! There is plenty of ordinance to go around, my friend!
I just want a fair and equitable distribution of surgical kinetic freedom strikes. AND I WANT EM NOW!
What about the ISIS militants in Turkey? When can we bomb them?
you want fresh isis
pop along to incirlik nato airbase chock full of isis recruits and israel trainers.
UK has ISIS people too, we can probably start lobbing a few over there for fuk sake. That's the beauty of ISIS, they can be anywhere, so we have an open ticket to anyone's country.
Turkey and Greece were first NATO member since 1952 (after the founders).
Maybe Turkey can bomb themselves ? or Ukraine ? other neighbors ?
Its getting hot this Winter...but little Global WarmingTM.
Cold Kiev on Wednesday 11C/3C.
http://www.bbc.com/weather/703448
Kiev for Syria, this for that. Both sides advance.
so the US declares war on Syria?
i expect russia to roll over ukraine and arm ISIS/ISIL now.. whats the story or chechen v ISIS/ISIL? buddies, enemies or not interested in each other?
Who are our partner nations? I know that Syria has Iran and by extension Russia and China as partners. Did we just declare war on 50% of the world? Isn't Obama suppose to go to congress first?
We don't need partners. And besides, they are mostly all cowards. Congress has given Obama the authority and money to do this. Enjoy.
I'll sure enjoy our new crop of legless "heroes"!
Nice to see my tax dollars well spent.
That's what is really making this whole thing even more pathetic. We are broke. Every damn penny that has been spent arming IS, training IS, and giving them the best propoganda machine in history has been borrowed from the future. Every damn missile, bomb and bullet has been paid for with money we do not have. For Fuck Sake, how long has it been since .gov has even passed a budget?
What a disgrace...
moar war
gaswars 0,14.9
"Moreover, it’s impossible to create an effective coalition and battlefront if Iran and Syria are not to be included"...
But I thought Iran was now part of the 40 or more coalition of the willing?...
"No clear strategy
There are deep concerns that the U.S. will bomb not only ISIS positions in Syria, but also the Syrian government forces"
Really I never saw this one coming???!!
Regime change vs Regime staying in Syria.
U.S. / Sunnis vs Russia. Better be careful - if Assad sees his regime going down, he'll use his huge stockpile of ballistic missiles to retaliate against everyone within reach. Putin's likely to provide Assad advanced anti-aircraft missiles (in addition to the ones he's already provided) so Assad can shoot down the U.S. / Arab jets he wants to and blame it on ISIS. Assad can laugh his butt off regarding the jets that do strike his enemies, ISIS.
According to Jack and I think he correct, Russia backed out of selling Syria S-300s. I am starting to think Putin is just another NWO stooge.
(1) Try to get friends to bomb Syria
(2) Decide to bomb Syria on your own
(3) ?????????
(4) "DEMOCRACY"!
Israel, which controls US foreign policy, is once again using the US to do it's dirty work.
The Israelis want all the secular arab countries transformed via bombs into failed states that won't threaten the Jewish states existence.
They want these states controlled by radical fundamentalists which live like the amish, and don't embrace technology.
The Jews don't care if there is a backlash against the United States like 9/11, or worse, which results in the deaths of thousands of American citizens.
For them, all that matters is Israel.
In short, this is another self-centered, standard operating procedure Zionist-Jewish war, just like Lybia, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
i think there are some ISIS militants hiding under Assads mattress. drone attack drone attack
This is bad news for Ukraine. The U.S. had to build up leverage and have something to bargain with so they start the Ukraine conflict and turn it into a sht storm, then they tell Russia that they'll leave Ukraine in Russian hands and not intervene anymore if they do nothing about the U.S. going into Syria, all while telling ISIS do what you want, take what you want, we don't care. ISIS is the pawn in this chess match. Well played CIA, you seem to really want Syria.
i wish i could win a peace prize so i could shit on it and hand it back to them
BREAKING: UKRAINE'S PORSHENKO DECLARES RUSSIA HAS USED TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPONS AGAINST US FORCES IN SYRIA
The airstrikes are joke anyways once you start to understand what they actually control.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/the-many-ways-t...
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ISIS territory in Iraq and Syria tends to be described as "swaths." The estimated size of these swaths, which ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi declared a caliphate in June, varies widely in reports, from 12,000 square miles—"an area the size of Belgium," per The Wall Street Journal—to 35,000 square miles, or “an area the size of Jordan,” as George Packer wrote this week in The New Yorker.
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The 'caliphate' here is not so much a coherent territorial entity like Jordan or Belgium as a series of spreading cracks in existing states. There is no state-like border corresponding to the Aleppo-Mosul-Falluja perimeter.
"The land that ISIS controls is definitely riddled with holes that they do not control or do not see as a priority at this moment in time," explains Jomana Qaddour of Caerus Associates in an email. Her organization is one of a handful tracking ISIS's territorial gains, in part with local sources and researchers on the ground. Many bands of ISIS "control" traverse vast patches of desert without necessarily encompassing them. With the fall of Raqqa province's Taqba air base to ISIS this week, for example, the group is now considered to have "control of virtually the entire province," writes Qaddour. "This means controlling major cities and, yes, roadways—but you also have to realize that some of that area is desert, so what does 'control' of that kind of land even mean?"
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If you consider parking a few shipping containers in the middle of nowhere for target practice for the French as control, you get the idea.
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"The desert is not necessarily significant" from ISIS's perspective, Qaddour writes, "but the roads running through the desert are."
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The same roads they refused to bomb when ISIS first rolled into town.
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Crucially, while those control zones don't amount to 35,000 square miles worth of territory, they do encompass major population centers, which tend to be concentrated along major roads. "The aims of the 'Caliphate' explicitly include population control, and ISIS has continued to prioritize the acquisition of populated geography," Cafarella writes. So the key elements of the Islamic 'State' are its network of population centers, oil resources, and military infrastructure, connected by roads.
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But does all of this add up to a "state"? By the oft-cited definition articulated by Max Weber in the early 20th century, a modern state requires a monopoly on "the legitimate use of physical force ... within a territory."
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If they bomb the population centers... That can't be dealt with by airstrikes alone.
With that said if was really about ISIS and not Assad they wouldn't be bombing them at all. Just contain them and give them an IMF loan to pay for governance while cutting off the black market oil....
http://www.understandingwar.org/report/isis-governance-syria
Here comes the natural gas and oil for the EU.Bye bye Muslims.