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Caught On Tape: What Happens When You Try To Exercise Your Constitutional Rights In Illinois
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
What follows is the most powerful recorded police checkpoint scene I have witnessed since posting: Extremely Powerful Video – Happy 4th of July from a Police State Checkpoint, last summer.
While the former incident happened in Tennessee, the following occurred in Illinois. The American pleb who was accosted by Illinois State Police was DeKalb resident Ryan Scott.
While it starts off slow, make sure you watch it all the way to the end.
While one of the the police officers is reasonable, the other one can’t stop yelling and seems to derive a particular pleasure from repeatedly informing the citizen he supposed to “protect and serve” that “driving is not a right, it’s a privilege.”
See for yourself:
What’s also interesting, is you have to wonder if the second officer would have acted even more aggressively if Ryan hadn’t informed him he was being recorded at the end of the conversation.
He seems to have backed down slightly upon understanding the repercussions of the recording. It just goes to show the importance of filming police encounters.
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If we are truly presumed innocent. And every car is stopped, no infractions of the law causing the stop. Just a mass cop phishing exercise.
How the fuck am I a criminal just driving down the road, obeying the traffic laws?
You fucking lawyers are just as bad as the cops. It's you motherfuckers that write and pass this bullshit.
Constitutional,my ass! And you know it's not! You fucking know it.
Take your Bar, and shove it up your ass. And anyone who calls 911, gets what they deserve. Asking a cop to your house or business is just plain stupid.
And lawyers, well they are like nuclear weapons. He got his, I got mine, but when we use them, they just fuck up everything.
Where did I say anything about agreeing with this interpretation in terms of my subjective judgment or political opinion? This is why we need lawyers, it's because some of you motherfuckers don't know how to read.
+10 Some of us need to remember to read and understand.
I am equily guilty.
The only reason we "need" lawyers is to defend ourselves from other lawyers. Nice little racket you people have created. EVerybody loses - except the lawyers.
I need a lawyer because some other lawyer was able to naile me for not dunning an employee far past the allowable limit. I was supposed to go way past the allowed limit to pay off some shitbags that bought the debt for under 20cents on the dollar. I could not do that under the law so they put his debt upon me. They get 24% compound interest for as long as I do not pay the debt of another that I had absolutely nothing to do with. The best part of their scam is that they will not provide proof of indebtedness.
You POS lawyers ...................
Sounds like you had a shitty lawyer.
Those flyers were created by an attorney and are proven to work, however they are STATE SPECIFIC.
Looks like there are ones for Florida, New York, California, New Jersey, Ohio, Arkansas, Illinios, Utah and Texas. ** Georgia and South Carolina maybe a few others, you have to look.
One could easy use the template and look up their specific state laws.
If other states are anything like what I've come to understand regarding the position at New York law, then annoying the hell out of a cop to frustrate them enough so that they won't want to write you a ticket essentially is why these work, if they do work, because at least in New York's case the legal reasoning is not particularly sound. Furthermore, the Supreme Court has upheld the constitutionality of brief stops for the purpose of sobriety checkpoints, in those states choosing to employ them (New York is one of those states). It should be noted that DRUG checkpoints are not legal, under a Supreme Court ruling (see Edmond (2000) ).
If you have deep pockets and want to try litigating the issue of whether you need to physically provide an officer with your documentation at either a regular traffic stop or a sobriety checkpoint, because you want to argue that showing them through your vehicle window is sufficient, by all means do so. I would prefer if we all had more rights, but I am pessimistic as to whether you would succeed, and might be a lot of money out of pocket.
Finally, if these were written by an attorney, they have made fundamental errors on their analysis of New York law that even a law student should catch, seeking to apply civil statutes and civil cases to criminal situations. That is inexcusably sloppy work and I would even say negligent, not to mention that I disagree with their analysis of New York law independently of their bad citations.
Wait...let me get this right. You mean that we PAY THESE MOTHER FUCKERS a salery of over 100k/yr+benefits to do sloppy work?
I see ropes on trees hanging with Congressmen & Senators in the near future.
Freedumb. I hate to tell you, but alcohol IS a drug.
Fuck you too.
Are you two married?
Yeah, come on over and we'll fuck you too.
Perhaps you should consider posting on YouTube instead?
Perhaps you should go fuck yourself too you mook-tard!
Bro... I'm upvoting you as fast as I can but I tell ya it's a losing battle.
While your advice may be right when it comes to not intentionally pissing off the cops some other people have strong views about the cops not being allowed to break the law by stripping you of your rights to begin with...
You are both right.
In the meantime I'm going to patent an air-freshener with a secret camera cuz the cops are catching on to the passenger seat camera thing...
Oh fuckin A Zero!
Thanks
I can't believe but love the war I got going against me here with all these feminized douche bags who don't have enough brains to know not to do shit like this fucking idiot Bryan
The kid didn't do anything wrong and obeyed the cops. WTF is wrong with you statist loving prick?
"I can't believe but love the war I got going against me here"
Might I suggest you read your own responses? It might clear up your misconceptions of who the douchbag really is. Hint - find a mirror. Fuck you headbanger and fuck obama too. not /s
Dude, decaf, decaf.
I'm a little disappointed in Banger- based on previous comments, I thought he had a higher IQ than that.
Yeah I do but I like a good fight
That was a good fight?
Apparently the bar's been lowered.
I'm with Headbanger - fuck you
No, but fuck you?
I'm with Headbanger too!
And what a fucking great shot he is, mostly.. well almost....
I agree. I think someone needs a hug. And please, no I'd rather not "fuck me" I already had my Alarm Cock this morning.
Miffed;-)
ah what the hell - fuck you
Thanks, I was wondering if I ever would feel like one of the guys here and now I do. ;-)
Miffed;-)
Headbanger...., Dude, now I know why you got that name.
ROFLMAO
Some days you are better off staying in bed..., just saying.
Bed???
Wuussat??
And Zerotohero and Miffed..
Welcome to the fucking fight clube dudes
Or what ever you are
LMFAO!
Oh you are so cute you make me feel squishy in love. I could just kiss that stubby bloody head of yours.
Miffed;-)
I'll say it again.
the world is a better place with you (and Mr. Miffed) in it.
And I am most honored to have your friendship. Always a misfit in life until I found ZH. Like Steve Martin in the Jerk finding white man music. Group hug to all.
Miffed;-)
A group hug is way better than being hugged by a group. Jus' saying.
You made me laugh, thanks
ah what the hell..., CLASSIC!
Nice job of talking trash with "the boys" here on ZH. Very Lady-like too. :)
I am proud of you Miffed and how well you carry the banner for all the women who are brave (deranged) enough to visit Fight Club.
I give you my favorite yoga pose Humble Warrior. ;-)
Miscreant has set the bar high and I try for that level. Actually it isn't too hard. I used to train stallions and the difference between you two is about 1500 lbs. Only men would find that not offensive.
Miffed;-)
Fight Club? Dang it. With all the closet homos here, I thought this was Fist Club.
Fuck it. I quit.
Really. What happened to the comment sections in here? I guess it can only go up from here. Or all the way to zero...value.
Fuck you too. This was the funniest ZH'n in a good while.
Yeah And fuck you too for saying fuck you you too thinking it was so funny.
Which it is!
I think headbanger is really Eric Cartman. "Respect my authoritah!"
BINGO DOUCHE BAG!!
http://www.puffgames.com/southpark/
He's an angry little man like every cop I've ever met.
Yes, I know. Fuck me too.
Fuk me? No Fuk Yu!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhQhZyNKqhM
No.. Fuck everybody!
Who pissed in your Wheaties this AM?
Fuck you and your Lucky Charms.
I always pictured you as this guy;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koY6kXhQDQo
PERFECT!!
LOVE IT!
Man keep it up - I laughed my ass off - good on ya
Man keep it up - I laughed my ass off - good on ya
Will somebody please fuck me?
Which cheek do you want it in?
Fuck you!
Damn..., beat me to it.
Do me! Do me!
Speaking of "Fuck Me"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iOoiEbtf2w
Girl on Girl then.
Fuck you too!
I really can't recall ever seeing all three ZH ladies in a single thread. Kinda wondering if Marla's going to (re)appear shouting, "Fook Yu and Fook Mi."
trollolololol.
Somebody got fucked on a trade today
Headbanger...welcome to the fight club. Now go fuck yourself.
TOO LATE!
BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME!
It's dumbasses like you that makes me wish ZH had an ignore option so I could spare myself even having to add to the red arrows you seem so proud of before moving on to more intelligent posts.
Good god !!! I leave you guys alone for a day and you make a fucking mess of the place !!!
Yeah, seems like the testosterone if flowing freely today hulk. I find it rather refreshing and invigorating. However too much ZH has cause a few verbal slips at work. Corporate American just ain't no fun and my personnel file is getting thick.
Miffed;-)
I finally got ONE person turned onto this shit at Work Miffed! ONE whole person !!! But she really took to it (she is brilliant) and finally there is someone I can verbally commnicate with,,,
Hulk dear....is she married? Is there some hope?? I am shaking. Could a connection could be made?I mean how many ZH women are there? At least ones that are balzy enuf to post as women ( ok, not such a great image there). Matchmaker Miffed is intrigued. Now, don't do something stupid! We are valuable.
Ok, you win. I have not got one person interested after 3 years of trying. I always get the " what do you see in that crazy site" look. But I do have a strange attraction to wild spirited rugged individuals that are unafraid to speak their mind. The lines have never been my friend.
Miffed;-)
Am I the only one who has noticed that there is a lot of bad language on this site?
Fuck no you're not the only one who's noticed this shit.
Most of my circle of friends would be yelling "get a room!"
I encourage all LEOs to continue to wear their uniforms if/when the SHTF. It will make it easier to distinguish enemies from potential cooperative individuals. Can you guess which side their on?
You're another fucking idiot who voted for Obozo
<---Stupid cop lover
<---Troll
<-----Both
>>>> cum-guzzler
>>>> cum-guzzler
man you are soooo eloquent
Yeah I know
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
You fucking mook!
I would like to, someday, to plead, 1...2.....3....4.... FIFF
Tony Montana: "Hey fuck you..."
Omar Suarez: "No, Fuck YOU..."
Tony Montana: "Fuck You..."
"Driver's License Checkpoints
The Fourth Amendment's reasonableness standard prohibits officers from randomly stopping vehicles to check driver's licenses and registration.5 In Delaware v. Prouse, a patrolman stopped a vehicle without reasonable suspicion to check the driver's license and registration. He seized marijuana in plain view. Addressing the stop's constitutionality, the Court noted that the public interest in ensuing that motorists are licensed and cars are registered justified the checkpoint's slight intrusion on motorists. In Prouse, however, the officer had unbridled discretion regarding which cars to stop, making the checkpoint unconstitutional. By contrast, license checkpoints conducted in a systematic, predesignated manner are constitutional."
http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display...
Assbanger,
Dont be upset when you see a point that opposes yours. Use your words, dipshit.
I find that using sugar instead of spice works best with these over zealous cops. I don't mean bend over and grab your ankles to get a first hand look at the long arm of the law...but what i do is comply with their requests then simply ask them how they feel about what they are doing and how it violates the very things they are meant to protect. Most of these guys have families and live in "our" communities. Most look at it as "jus' doin' their job" and don't get the big picture, after all, they decided to be cops...dealing with human scum for 30k a year...how smart can they really be?
Let me also add that most of these guys actually believe they are protectors and "heroes", keepin you safe. They really buy into the post 9/11 love a cop/firaman, first responder propaganda. Like I said, shitty job, no money, but they do it to "help" people.
yeah, dey hep da peeps what too dum to hep demsefs...
Those pukes in the vid were making closer to 130K than 30K a year.
Just because it is a shitty job doesn't mean somebody has to do it.
Exactly. Not every department is out to fund payroll by issuing fines for traffic infractions.
...Not yet, anyway...
you dont get out much, do you
*coming from someone who drove 3000 miles last year
The tax collector aspect is not lost on me. Rgds
I disagree. The job draws in the control freaks, people wanting to bust people's heads in for minor offenses, and the predators and thugs more than sheep dogs and protectors. The good guys do not last long either.
They're from the government and they're here to help. Help relieve me of my cash through civil forfeiture.
"Let me also add that most of these guys actually believe they are protectors and "heroes", keepin you safe."
Oh bullshit. Give me a fucking break. I know enough of them personally. A few quotes:
"It's the only job I can do without sticking a pistol in my mouth"
"I love beating the fuck out of these scumbags. Nothing like grabbing a nigger by the fro and bashing his face in".
If TSHTF, I don't need to prepare - I'll just take what I need".
"I know the game warden and I have a license for unlimited night hunting".
I could go on and on and on - but it's amazing what cops wil tell you when they think you are a fanboy. And yes - they think their fucking dog is more important than your life; much less the COnstitution.
These fuckers serve their paychecks, their stream of cool taxpayer provided tactical gear (which they fully intend to steal when TSHTF) and their pensions.
They will serve anyone who keeps them flowing and they will kill anyone who tries to end the flow.
Period.
Grow the fuck up.
I think you need to chill a little...Believe me I have no love for cops and I don't think you are out of line with your pionts. Me saying they believe they are protectors and heroes does not necessarily mean that I think these guys are good guys and don't use their position to their advantage. I actually think my point is in line with what you said...If they believe they are "heroes" does that not mean they believe they are superior and can keep you in line?
My whole point was that if you push these guys they will snap and you could end up on the wrong side of a beat down, without any recourse. I also think their is a big difference between city / state cops and local county police.
in my neighborhood its 75 to 125k a year--- better have another look at your county budget--.
don't forget the pension benifits with retirement at 45 and great free medical and all the donuts you can eat.---
I guess you "yankees" pay your gestapo more than we pay them here in ole dixie...state cops in GA, start at like 28k and I don't think they go up very high from there. Of course they do get free food and coffee every where they go...You know what's kind of odd?? My kids, who are no older than 15, don't get the cop - donut thing...I made a comment the other day about cops and donuts and they had no clue what i was talking about. Of course they do go to public school...
Maybe today's young cops are vegetarian. Next time they pull you over, ask them about their roughage.
In my state, cops tip extra to make up for the police discount (ex. Dennys), otherwise it is considered a bribe. Wait staff doesn't mind.
I was going to put this in until I saw you did it. These guys do it because it has a great pension. I know a Chicago cop though. He is married to a teacher. Another good pension. But would you care to bet how much of their promised pension they will actually receive? Not 100% I would bet. It is one of the reasons I left Chicago. Soon, city services will decline once it becomes clear that those living off the city budget are not going to get all they bargained for.
You are way off in your calculations. In any event, it is not possible to know how much a government employee makes per year without knowing the date of their death and the death of their spouse due to a lifetime of benefits for them and their family.
No offense but bending over doesn't show where most people would expect to find sugar.
It is obvious the cop was in the wrong. Why else would he get so upset?
Where else in this world are we permitted to yell violently when someone asks you a calm question and perhaps repeats it if your answer is insufficient? NOWHERE that's where. Cop was the quintessential pig.
Why was the cop so upset ?
The truth of the matter is that plenty of them are on a power trip. Not all of them, but a great deal of them. They like the power they have over 'civilians'. They like driving fast, carrying guns, and ordering people around. When they think their authority is questioned, it angers them.
It is obvious the cop was in the wrong. Why else would he get so upset?
Where else in this world are we permitted to yell violently when someone asks you a calm question and perhaps repeats it if your answer is insufficient? NOWHERE that's where. Cop was the quintessential pig.
Hero.
Judging by the response?
Martyr actually...
You are small, whithered, and falcid.
Don't forget WHITE!
Never studied statistics I see... dumb shit..
not to mention flaccid
and just think, if your grand pappy and old man would have done what this kid did you would not be watching this video because chicken shit thug cops would be acting like servants instead of oral dicks washers for the king.
mine were busy in a resistance.
dealing with a German Invasion of their country.
pops taught us not to trust authority.
.
especially a "papers please" type of authority.
I see anything resembling a random check point, I go another way.
.
time for RESET
Those who succumb meekly to such intimidation enable it. NEVER SUBMIT. ASSERT YOUR RIGHTS. FOR THE LEO'S HAVE NO DESIRE TO GIVE THEM TO YOU - YOU MUST ASSERT THEM.
It is one thing to argue that Homeland Security cannot stop you, it is entirely something else when a local or state official does it. These stops by local cops have been ruled constituional for years.
The driver was an idiot.
The driver did stop then he started asking if he was free to go, this makes him an idiot in your mind good to know, you and headbanger should get together. Strangely these stops are not Constitutional in my state
It makes people upset when you assert that you know more about their job than they do, and that they are being unreasonable. There was no reason for him to ask "Am I being detained?" The officer told him he is not free to go. Asking again and again just shows he is being needlessly confrontational.
Here's how it should have gone. "You're being recorded." "OK. License and registration please... Thank you, have a nice evening" Finis. We already established the police: 1) have a right to conduct safety checkpoints 2) ask for you driving papers. They needed to yell at him, because he kept trying to talk over them.
Your understanding of the law is abysmal and you should learn something before you comment. "Am I being detained" has a specific triggering effect on your rights and the actions the police are allowed to take. There are apparently many things of which you are unaware. Where did we establish the police having a RIGHT to stop us whereever and whenever they like to check safety, are they not allowed to issue me a fixit ticket if my tailight is broken anymore they they need the RIGHT to set up a checkpoint. Listen to yourself and reflect on that.
Uh WRONG. The guy said nothing wrong. He did not yell. He was not aggressive. He did not resist arrest.
The P.I.G. ( Police In General ) are wrong.
twh99: "These stops by local cops have been ruled constituional for years."
The 'supreme' court is made up of government lawyer political appointees who have sold out a long time ago. (And it has been revealed that nsa is spying on them - so they are likely subject to blackmail.)
But you can go ahead and believe in the 'authorities' called the supreme court if you want.
Or you can actually read the US Constitution and the intent of the American founders.
Thanks for the advice....Dope
I vote you down because you're an idiot yourself. Besides Ryan wasn't declining giving his driver's license he was just reasoning out that he has not committed any crime. Besides he has not committed traffic violation and stopping for roadside check is unconstitutional.
Headbanger has been fisted too many times. He no longer knows right from wrong (or left from right). Cut him some slack.
Holy shit, Headbanger. You're going to collect more down votes on a single article than Fonestar collected his entire ZH career. You could have at least mentioned Bitcoin.
I still chuckle when I remember someone's comment asking Fonestar if he was "a junk collector."
Bingo, bingo.
A man is an 'idiot' for exercising his Constitutional rights ?
We need more 'idiots' and less knee-jerk compliant fools. 2/3 of the population are made up of 'rule followers' indoctrinated to respect 'authority'.
They don't put people in public 'schools' for nothing. Its to turn you into sheep.
they should have told him to BTFD ..
http://www.hedge.ly
All police checkpoints are unconstitutional. So is the random checking of license plates looking for violations as an excuse to pull you over. It's no different than "papers please" in the old Soviet Union.
You need a warrant to stop people unless you see them committing a criminal act or suspect them of such. You cannot just check or stop people randomly, period.
the issue here is entrapment and to get around this the check points are often avoidable.
see one up in the distance, there is usually a way to turn around and avoid the whole thing.
Who could possibly downvote this? Are there actually ZH readers that believe police should be able to randomly stop and ask for papers?
Yes.
y'all still can...join da poe-leece 'n yuo ca' punch me in da face too...go all up in ma' bidness, didn' do nothin'...
For a Citizen (non-law enforcement person) punching would be a class 3 misdemeanor, possibly charged as a felony to get a guilty plea down to a misdemeanor simple assault
Dup
You are doing harm to your own country not good.
The officer is wrong, driving is not a privilege. The license gives one the right to drive. Getting the license is a privilege granted by the state, like getting a business license or a license to practice medicine. Once granted the state does not have the right to interrupt my business or stop me in the middle of surgery without just cause.
Being a police officer is a privilege, not a right.
I agree, but you're forgetting about police unions. In real-world practice, it is their absolute right to be and stay employed as long as they want. A million bucks in lawyers might give you a slim chance to convince a jury that the prick in the video has no god-given right to his job.
With that attitude I would have clubbed that driver with my flashlight until the batteries flew out!
His attitude that to be stopped from rightful travel he should be rightfully suspected of wrongdoing.. Hmm, your a tard.
jokerdean
It's a good thing you aren't a cop and are just a joker.
By the way, are you related to Stalin?
Caught on tape: We begin bombing in 5 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k4TNtUZnM4
Bonzo goes to your head when you elect one as POTUS ...
People like you make millionaires of ordinary people.
Eireann go Brach my kneepads
And just how was the driver "being a dickhead"?
He was polite to the officer.
He exercised his rights, something it appears you are afraid to do.
You'll make a good slave.
I've invented a new drink - the Harvey Headbanger:
Recipe -
1 1/2 ounces vodka
4 ounces orange juice
1/2 ounce Galliano
1 orange slice for garnish
100 MG of Thorazine to dampen anger
Please explain how you think he was being a dickhead. It really looks like you support the police state and I don't think you will get much traction with that around here.
Everyone should have a dashcam. Period.
Next thing that they'll do is outlaw dashcams. Gov buffoons outlawed radar detectors in Virginia decades ago and set the precedent . Go .Gov!!