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Caught On Tape: What Happens When You Try To Exercise Your Constitutional Rights In Illinois
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
What follows is the most powerful recorded police checkpoint scene I have witnessed since posting: Extremely Powerful Video – Happy 4th of July from a Police State Checkpoint, last summer.
While the former incident happened in Tennessee, the following occurred in Illinois. The American pleb who was accosted by Illinois State Police was DeKalb resident Ryan Scott.
While it starts off slow, make sure you watch it all the way to the end.
While one of the the police officers is reasonable, the other one can’t stop yelling and seems to derive a particular pleasure from repeatedly informing the citizen he supposed to “protect and serve” that “driving is not a right, it’s a privilege.”
See for yourself:
What’s also interesting, is you have to wonder if the second officer would have acted even more aggressively if Ryan hadn’t informed him he was being recorded at the end of the conversation.
He seems to have backed down slightly upon understanding the repercussions of the recording. It just goes to show the importance of filming police encounters.
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The driver is fortunate that a) he is a local b) he is white.
This is along the I-88 corridor, a toll road that is heavily patrolled. 5 0 will stop you for simply having an out of state plate on your car. If you're sporting Callie or Florida plates expect to be stopped and questioned.
And let's not forget DeKalb had the school shooting back in 2008.
Lets get our shit together as the "PEOPLE" of this country and start taking control of the court house and these corporate cops.
They serve us, we don't serve them.
nationallibertyalliance.org
Now if the cops just went back to profiling, and there was enforcement of illegal immigration laws, .... they would never be able to get away with this shit, because they wouldn't have to do it.
that cop needs his head batoned in.
Now imagine this guy is black.....
"and dead or severely beaten...."
FIFY
Welcome to the Police State of America. For those of you who think that this kind of stop should be legal. You are fucking slaves.
Driving along, getting stuck is a traffic jam caused by police unconstitutionally checking for whatever with no probable cause and some think citizens are supposed to nice and congenial to the law breakers wearing badges and toting guns. They can now take blood threatening to take you driving "privilege" if you don't comply. Or they just stop and rob you of your cash threatening your driving "privilege" or in this case threaten you with jail. The Supreme Court has held this type of behavior is constitutional. Anyone with a 6th grade education that can read knows better.The Supremo's are no less tyrannical than the other two branches. O-Care? Patriot Act? NDA? DHS?
Driving is not a privilege. It is a persons right to travel anywhere. -ANYWHERE- There were no licensing when cars first appeared, niether was a license for driving horse drawn buggy's. Government saw opportunity and a money pot here and instituted it under the guise as a means to ensure people were somewhat competent. Over time they slowley spread the BS that driving was a "privilege" like all the other BS they spread. The plates came first then the driving permit which was what it was then called.
The reason the constitution is not even worth toilet paper these days is most americans were/are not aggressive where their rights are concerned. They just say "Yes Officer" bend over and smile,,, kind of like they do at airports and bus stations these days.
Todays "peace officers" will shoot you on sight and bet on which way you will fall. The citizen in this dispute is very lucky to be alive, video or not.
Law out of the barrel of a gun is what it amounts to.
amen Roberts folding act.
and don't forget my folks and I paid for the roads... hell yea!
You got that right!
I sincerely hope to see more and more and more and more of these incidents like we saw in PA because I am sick and tired of these cop. EVERYWHERE.
Well that was a short bromance... You do NOT kill random cops, that is evil shit!! Protect your family, protect your property and do NOT do evil shit!
Judge Dredd, "I am the law"
Wasn't there a SCOTUS case that essentially ruled that it is not the police's duty to protect you or ensure your safety? These types of stops are just to generate revenue for the state. It's pathetic.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=1&
Local or state cops have the right to see your driver's license and insurance at safety or DUI stops. That is why they do those stops, checking for unlicensed drivers or outstanding warrants.
The feds (Homeland Security) do not have that authority. And I support people pointing that out in those types of stops.
Just because the supreme court says it's "legal" doesn't mean it's constitutional. It's not. It's wrong. CSPOA (constitutional sheriffs and peace officers association) refuses to do these stops, because they are unconstitutional.
Correct SgtShaftoe. In Penna, it is no longer required to search a vehicle by mere consent. If a Ofc has Probable Cause for the stop, the vehicle can be searched without a warrant. Pa Court ruling. There is a "Plain View Doctrine" as well. But only in areas of view.
unconstitutional, not correctly faught yet, I presume, but it flies in the face of the fourth and the fifth
PA is the home of some real fucktards, anyway.
I don't support. It's a No Probable Cause stop and detaining method.
TWH, not constitutional in m ystate, we must live under a different constitution. What is yours called the "bow down and lick the hand that fucks you constitution"?
Looking for people with warrants? Why not just go door to door in every neighborhood and check everybody's ID, run it through NCIC, make sure they don't have warrants, you know, just to make sure, catch all the criminals at once ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
Links to each State's statues.
Two cases:
DeShaney v Winnebago
Castle Rock v Gonzales
Safety Check? WTF is that. I heard of DUI check points, but safety check. Give me a break. Put those uniforms on a beat in the big city on a hot summer night in high crime areas and do some fuckin old schoool police work and presense. Which is no longer and much needed.
Coast "guard" does this routinely, just an excuse to ransack your boat looking for drugs so they can auction the boat and get a cut of the sale for themselves. More of the New America, home of the parasites & gestapo.
And it changes only one way: Starve the Beast.
If each of us aren't figuring out our own unique way of doing that then we are losing opportunity. The gubmint is out of control at all junctures.
Short of a 15 million person march, we have few choices.
Starve the hungry beast!
Still have direct deposit?
Inversely, frivolously use the services government provides – all of them.
If you think you see a kitten in a tree, call the fire department from a burner phone. It costs money to send fire trucks.
If you see something suspicious out your window, even if it’s a kitten, call the police and have them investigate. It costs money to dispatch a patrol car.
He was good with the window. But his door should have been locked as well.
http://www.flexyourrights.org/
Theres nothing scary about this video. If you asked for your fifth out in the sticks, he would have shitcanned you and left your car out in the creek.
Mouth breather cop should have kept his trap shut.
Court precdent shows "law enforcement" have no obligation to "protect" anyone. If they were in such a business, their claim "to protect and serve" would invite lawsuits.
This cop didn't get that memo. One only need watch YouTube videos of cops in NYC standing around, while a person is stabbed or beaten to death, to know the truth.
this is a weak example of the large number of people who do the same thing sometimes every day passing through the faux border checkpoints in the southwest and canadian border. essentially. all they can ask you to do is voluntarily give up your rights. if you consent to what they ask for they can do what they want. if you insist upon answering "no" the worst that can happen is retirement with a minimal amount of injury hopefully(there's hopey and changey) or expedited passage through the gates.
I wonder if the guy in PA who shot the troopers was abused by cops like this guy was ???
Hey, obama, incompetent sociopath dictator-wanna-be, shyster-in-chief, why don't you do something useful and get your gestapo-partner wanna-be partner holder to arrest this terrorist cop on civil rights violations and threating a citizen with deadly weapons ???
Oh, because the guy's white and not a ghetto gangster, I understand. Sorry to disturb your fraudulentness.
There are a few brainwashed idiots here. 'Driving' is not a right, but travelling in the mode of the day is a right. It actually is an inalienable right. And the servants of the people have absolutely no power or authority to even question any claimed inalienable right. The people created government and government cannot define its creator.
Most pigs do not know they are slaves. Why? Well the standards are so low to become a police officer that "mooks" get hired everyday!
Join the FSA and corrupt the system from within.
Have some "friends" in NYC that are revealing the whereabouts of the banks servers for some fight club type of remediation. So when "they" say they "lost" your data and to trust them about the new balances, fees, charges, etc., it really means their records were wiped out. If I were to pick a date? 10/10/14. Seven!
"Data breach" INDEED! Oh, yeah, only call the cops if you want to suicide.
Coming from a police family I am ashamed of the police behavor,realy. Hot heads should not be in law enforcement.
Could be a serial asshole or like all of us a really, really bad day.
The difference is a cop should take a sick day when SHTF, there are bigger consequences when you represent the law and openly carry, and as for the serial assholes... well they always get what is coming to them - cop or not.
Is Open Carry the same as CCW? The cops here were dumbfounded when I told them a guy could carry a gun in the open and not even give his name when stopped by the cops. And the cops doing the stop were powerless because the guy carrying the gun could not even be checked to see if he had the right to carry a gun, ie. he was not a felon. The cops were in pre-crime thought mode in that situation.
Yes, open carry is legal in many states, many people are not aware of this, including cops.
Concealed carry requires a permit in most states.
Whoa, extreme PMS!
I have witnessed overly aggressive behavior of just that sort in a speed trap stop which included a clearly flustered lady at the mercy of a city officer with his head poked through her window, screaming in her face. At 10 AM on a city street, 30mph zone at the bottom of a long hill, her intimidation level was such she apparently could not think quickly enough to carry out his instructions. The officer issuing my ticket was so distracted by his cohort's extreme aggression toward that poor woman, he failed to ask me for my proof of insurance. Reduced to tears, she had to be pissing her pants.
I wonder how many others have personally witnessed the same unrestrained, authoritative behavior by those hired to serve and protect but could just as well be behind bars themselves?
As UNBELIEVABLE as this might seem?...
Just imagine what it would be like being bombed into submission by another superpower raped, tortured and murdered complete with grinning fucking soliders with there "thumbs pointed up" relentlessly for more than a decade?!!!!
To all you military and ex-military serving your country and telling us that you perform your duties
"honorably"?... You got what's comin your way in Iraq/Syria and soon-to-be Russia!!!
As for the rest of the Ryan Scott(s) that live in the "Land of the Free Home of the Brave"... You deserve this and more for letting it get to this place!
"Just imagine what it would be like being bombed into submission by another superpower raped, tortured and murdered complete with grinning fucking soliders with there "thumbs pointed up" relentlessly for more than a decade?!!!!"
Oh ... you mean like Putin.
Fuck you Nemo!
headhurt
Let me know when that MH-17 report gets completed by the U.S. DoS along with the unfinished business of seeking justice for vicitims of 9/11 (both inside and outside our Country) that the vast majority in the special operations branches of the U.S. military know was an inside job.
You have to be one sorry assed motherfucker to take orders after knowing that for 13 years!
Could you IMAGINE the news coverage if this guy was BLACK?
Riots, Martial Law, the President would go down and proclaim that the guy looked like the son he didn't have, FBI, CIA, DOJ involvement, Holder would go down and say "Guys this happened to me as a young black man". OMG, I'm getting PTSD just thinking about it.
Was that an example of 'White Privilege'?
Where do we download the, “How a good citizen interacts with the police” manual?
Obtaining a drivers license is a right. I would like to see what happens to the first State that decides to deny a qualified applicant. If you have two brain cells, can hear, see and scratch your ass then you have a right to that liscense and a right to drive on the roads. NOW lets be clear - the fact that you can LOSE THOSE RIGHTS in no way implies they are a privelage. This is like saying it is a privelage to sit on a park bench simply because you can do something that will land you in prison and then you would no longer be able to sit on that bench at the park.
THIS JUST IN! "By Executive Order breathing is now a priviledge!" Isn't that great?
Very odd behaviour for a 'Police Officer', which under common law is a 'Peace officer'.
As in 'Keep the Peace'. Which incidently, we still operate under, as far as I am aware.
That cunt copper 'Breached The Peace', not the kid in the car.
Arrest and prosecute under the fullest extent of the law.
You just gone broke your oath you cunt, and should be punished as hard as can be allowed under said law.
Piece of fucking shit, big-man, cop-out. You want to be a big-man 'Peace Officer'? Go fuck on in Iraq.
Cunt
;-)
It used to be only 2.3 million sorry sons of bitches in carceration. Now we all live in the "Belly of the Beast". Too bad the Army or Harvard or whoever couldn't find a few good men...
Things are being rolled back in parts of America. Waldo has been known as a speed trap one-horse town since the advent of the speed limit.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/waldo-police-chief-resigns/27923084
Heve a nice day everyone. Drive Wisely
Kindness Generates Kindness.
No need to be another Rob Bironas stat.
Rob Bironas accused of second road rage incident before ...
Just wait until the taxpayers aren't paying their salaray...
born and raised in chicago, and i have always found that (for the most part) if you treat the cpd and isp, (& for that matter, any l.e. anywhere else in the world) with respect you will receive the same courtesy in kind - to do otherwise is just plain ignorant, self-important, and maybe suicidal.
It also helps if you lick their boots and their asshole too while you're there. Maybe some kneepads would be in order.
I took several oaths to the US constitution, and I'm not going to kneel before some screaming little bitch with a tin badge. Sorry.
I'm 6' 230 and I'm not overweight. I suggest since you respect the law of the jungle you treat me the same way or we can live with a rule of law and my strength then means nothing as it should you putz. Police force encounters upon citizenry doing nothing demonstrably wrong and this is your advice, be courteous..
This guy knows how to handle the police;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyJFD6BhQFY
The cop is an a-hole but the cop is correct. Driving is a privilege, travelling is a right. The problem is too many people are ignorant of the law and don't know how to excercise the protections given by the Constitution. In order to understand the differences one needs to study the law and its original intent and how one retains the status to effectively protect the God given unalienable rights. Learn the law, then go excercise it.
Um No, in fact, BULLSHIT! if you believe that you should go work for the state department and fill your portfolio with netflix shares.
Courts say driving is actually a right:
Case # 1 - "Even the legislature has no power to deny to a citizen the right to travel upon the highway and transport his property in the ordinary course of his business or pleasure, though this right may be regulated in accordance with the public interest and convenience. - Chicago Motor Coach v Chicago 169 NE 22
("Regulated" here means traffic safety enforcement, stop lights, signs, etc. NOT a privilege that requires permission i.e.- licensing, mandatory insurance, vehicle registration, etc.)
Case # 2 - "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."- Thompson v Smith 154 SE 579.
It could not be stated more conclusively that Citizens of the states have a right to travel, without approval or restriction (license), and that this right is protected under the U.S. Constitution. Here are other court decisions that expound the same facts:
Case # 3 - "The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the 5th Amendment." - Kent v Dulles, 357 U.S. 116, 125.
Case # 4 - "Undoubtedly the right of locomotion, the right to remove from one place to another according to inclination, is an attribute of personal Iiberty, and the right, ordinarily, of free transit from or through the territory of any State is a right secured by the l4th Amendment and by other provisions of the Constitution." - Schactman v Dulles, 96 App D.C. 287, 293.
Great, you listed some very crucial cases to my point. With said cases you have destroyed your own theory. Wake up and read the words in the cases you quoted. There is a differnce between the terms "driving" and "traveling". Where in the cases you cited do you see the term "driving". Show me where driving is defined in the state codes and cases. As I stated and you refused to understand, driving is a privilege and traveling is a right. And that ain't bullshit.
By citing those cases I have to give you credit for at least trying to understand how we are enslaved. Just be more careful and read the cases and the words very closely. Even though you disagree with me, I still give you credit for attempting to understand the law.
Several people have successfully driven without a license in more or less perpetuity, one in california who was added to the DMV record database, and no he didn't drive with a license (there were some media interviews) and some other people as well. I wouldn't recommend anyone doing it, because it will probably result in their death, but the law used to be upheld on "traveling" - probably latest in the 1990s.
Commercial vehicles drive, private citizens travel.
It states it right in case 2:
"The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."- Thompson v Smith 154 SE 579.
Very good. I can tell you have taken more time to study the law then most of the posters in this article. A+
Apparently you can't read.
Ima protect an serve the hell outta you, boy.
Ima protect an serve the hell outta you, boy.
A 2005 Supreme Court decision declared that it is NOT the duty of any police force in the US to protect citizens, just enforce laws...
The cop is an a-hole but the cop is correct. Driving is a privilege, travelling is a right. The problem is too many people are ignorant of the law and don't know how to excercise the protections given by the Constitution. In order to understand the differences one needs to study the law and its original intent and how one retains the status to effectively protect the God given unalienable rights. Learn the law, then go excercise it.
I guess ripping the guy's door open and behaving beligerently is the one dickhead cop's right and priviledge. Am no fan of the guy in the car or cop #2, but this police state shit is so out of hand it's sick. The first cop seemed like a decent guy and like there would be no issue or perhaps only the driver would look bad, but that second cop needs to be fined, suspended a month without pay, and made to write a personal apology to the driver.
You're a fucking moron. This driver happened to KNOW the law and thank God, otherwise he would've been subject to more abuse.
You fucking cops, and fucking cop apologists, fuck off. Why not go after the real criminals...hint, they're in DC and statehouses across the country.
EDIT: You fucking cops that condone this behavior and behave this way....
Your the moron, learn the law before you start throwing a bunch of crap around.
I am not a cop, but know how to challenge out of control cops with the law. Wake up and study the law and quit acting like the cops you criticize. The guy in this video is attempting to use the law and hasn't quite learned the concept of status and jurisdiction.
I have been reading ZH for years without posting and I am proving an observation that the quality of individual posting here has considerably deteriorated to a very low level over the last few years.
When similar incidents happen in the UK - and they certainly do - the cop is very likely to order you to "turn off the video, you're not allowed to video police officers"...or some such bullshit.
IL Statute
(725 ILCS 5/107-14)(from Ch. 38, par. 107-14)Sec. 107-14.Temporary questioning without arrest.A peace officer, after having identified himself as a peace officer, may stop any person in a public place for a reasonable period of time when the officer reasonably infers from the circumstances that the person is committing, is about to commit or has committed an offense as defined in Section 102-15 of this Code, and may demand the name and address of the person and an explanation of his actions. Such detention and temporary questioning will be conducted in the vicinity of where the person was stopped.(Source: Laws 1968, p. 218.)"officer reasonably infers from the circumstances that the person is committing, is about to commit or has committed an offense"Yeah see this important part here was not present in this situation, it was a "safety stop" unless the cop verbalized the safety issue then we can discuss this issue otherwise; he can fuck off...
Correct Calmyourself. Why i mentioned this whole buisness of a "Safety Stop" A moving vialation or vehicle code violation can be conducted on patrol. Safety Stop on no resonable grounds is a fishing expidition,period.
It seems that playing "gotcha" with the citizens and hoping to be able to issue citations and fines has become their raison d'etre.
yeah the cop is a douchebag, but so is the citizen. He was clearly provoking the cop for no reason.
The citizen is a douchebag because he was a victim of violence by:
1. being threatened by the police with deadly force (traffic stop)
2. then when questioned, he was the victim of more violence and was almost shot?
Blame the victim much?
Because girls are guilty for being raped because they looked too hot right!!! /sarc
God damn it. How do people still not get this shit?!?!
Yeah Jenah Rice, Ray's wife was kind of being a dick when he knocked her out. Don't be a dick. (SARC)
SInce 9/11 cops/swat etc. have been "briefed" the US Constitution has been (partially?) suspended, they can pretty much do what they want without impunity.
that cop needs to get laid. That citizen is looking for a beating.
The cop does need to get laid, the citizen was doing nothing except being free.
I guess what im saying is that when youre talking to a psychopath, you need to be a little careful. Its not that i dont think the citizen has the right to do what he did, its just that I think he was purposefully looking for a confrontation. I wouldnt have done that personally because i know what cunts the police are.
The bigger issue is why are we all so frightened of the police. What gives that cocksucker the right to shout at us? He should be suspended for being a dick.
Laid - off
I think that I misheard you...did you say that cop needs to get slain and that citizen is looking for a safe passage?
It's good to have a recording. I find police reports tend to be incomplete and inaccurate about 50% of the time.
Ditto to that one Bud! I am a retired insurance investigator, have handled more that 100 fatality claims, some in the multiple millions. I have seen all the obviously inacurately recorded police reports with all the diagrams, skids marks, ect and completely miss the proximate cause of the accident. I have had to threaten law enforcement that had my insured locked up with false arson charges (point of origin was obviously a clothes dryer vent origon) to a driver locked up for vehicle homicide when the gigantic pothole in the roadway, skid marks and physical evidence indicated a mechanical failure most due to tie rod end break off from the pothole., o Highway Patrol reports in fatality accidents putting the brain dead passenger under the wheel. Explaining to idiots that the physical laws of the universe regarding velocity and enertia do not change for a particular accident does creat a lot of admosity with law enforcement.
I have had attorneys supeana my file and person many times debunking police reports. It would take me an afternoon, at least 6 beers to explain just a few of them. I can tell you that police officers do not like to be proved wrong. They have a high opinion of themselves and seem to believe that with a badge the have also aquired intellengence!
if you drive a car that can cost $500,000 or more, the cops won't even dare to bother you, because they're exclusively hired by the rich, for the rich but paid for by the poor.
$500K? Not many of those around.
I don't want to quibble, but I highly doubt that the "poor" pay for any gov't services, least of all the local police.
Good thing he didn't have kids and a dog with him. They would have taken the kids and shot the dog.
Too bad you couldn't get out of your car and kick these fuckers right in the nuts, so hard, their little Smokey-Bear hat's shoot-up 20 feet! To me that would be entertainment!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ku17CqdZg
They're all paper tigers. Get up stand up.
Go Matthew, go!!
Massive Manhunt For Accused Cop Killer Eric Matthew Frein (LIVE UPDATES)As a resident of Dekalb County, Illinois, these officers don't make me feel safer or more at ease. These checkpoints serve no purpose other than to condition us to having a government goon involved in our lives at every turn. For the record, I'm a proponent of antagonizing these power-mad goons as much as possible and recording it.
Well, 'bully' you. Please proceed.
A fish rots from the head, down. And the rate at which Authoritarian 'rot' travels from the highest offices in the land to the lowest, is happening at break-neck speed...
I'd say that the rot starts at the local level floats up to the highest office.
Police duty doesn't even rate in the top 10 of most dangerous occupations, so please spare the sappy 'they put their lives on the line every day for us', BullS:hit. The dynamic between government 'servants' and the public has for all intents & purposes, devolved into 'Us vs. Them'.
I live in a small town of about 11,000 people and we are presided over by 68 cops. They are everywhere. When you go to the corner store, take the back road into town, there they are. If NYC had this concentration, it would mean 83,000 cops on the force. This is horrendous over-kill.
I know that until recent times we had a police force of about 20. These guys make very good money for their education levels and effort applied, I think I will go to the council meeting and see about some layoffs down at the lavish and enormous civic building they built the same time they put on all the new help.
Everyone else is laid-off around here, cops might as well share in the new economy.
And they call every home and business for donations.
When they've call my house, they've actually gotten testy w/ me because I didn't sound pleased that they interrupted me or were trying to shake me down.
All anyone has to do is ask the solitor for his name and that you will be glad to donate but you must verify his appointment to the fundraising staff. He must submit his org's literature via mail or email. I'v never received nor even been contacted to make a donation from that person ever again.
I concluded that the solicitor was milking a big fraud scheme.
11,000 people and 68 cops. Now that is off the charts.
There are a lot of mentally challenged sick people on the streets , the majority of which happen to be policemen.
Enjoy the 'RIDE ' you twisted fuckers as the tide will turn and you cowardly dumb bastards will HANG alongside your masters.
Your families better watch their backs also.
Fuck all a y'all
Oh Fuck! Now they'er saying Fuck too much! WTF?
he's lucky he wasn't killed right there
It's a sad commentary when we have to say an innocent driver is lucky to be alive after a "safety checkpoint" stop.
Or they could just as easily planted dope in his car.
And now you know for sure the state and local police are becoming militarized. Their attitude is a reflection on that specific training. It does no good to have the equipment without the willingness and aptitude to use that said equipment on citizens. This cop would have no problem popping a round or twon in a citizen.
there are all sorts of prior restraint laws, if you want to argue with the cops, or push to have those laws repealed (since they are unconstitutional) but arguing with the cops whose job it is to enforce those laws won't solve anything. i actually think this guy got off easy. if he acted like that at the CA drug checkpoints they would have disassembled his car for him.
Holy Mackerel.
Yeah fucking brilliant! There will come a fucking time when you are gonna get pulled over so you start the shooting first.
FUCK ALL FILTH PUBLIC SERVANTS AND CRONY COCK SUCKLINGS.
Alleged civil libertarians earlier commenting that one should 'just shut up and do as you're told', doesn't strike me as Libertarian in the slightest.
Sorry ... I will have to dissent from the popular opinion here ... I think Ryan was a little confrontative to provoke the officers and then broadcast the results ... it worked when one hot head overreacted.
We don't live in Israel.
What's your point? In Israel, you can board an airliner w/o taking off your shoes, your belt, and getting groped.
Uh Tear Down That Wall
How did he provoke? Stating your rights is not a provocation. The offices should have (or did) already knew his rights and waived him on. He was clearly not a threat and delayed so that they could determine if he was safe, which they could do without looking at a DL and insurance. No suspicion that he did not possess these items.
If they driver had a lot a time, money and lawyer this could be argued in court with a settlement. There some gray area here but I think the state would settle to limit cost associated with litigation. But most folks don't have that option.
Why was the cop yelling??? The driver did not yell. These are things that would sway a jury big time. But in the long run for average Joe, not worth it.
THEY serve us -the taxpayers and citizens of America. They should respond with coutesy and patience. In a free country, you are free as a citizen to question, express displeasure, or to demand an explanation for any such detention. That's what our Consitution is all about. I have been trwtaed worse by cops for no reason. As a former prosecutor for 8 years in twho major cities, I have no repect for intolerant , rude and obnoxious cops who feel it is their right to be abusive or even commit crimes against lawful citizens for whatever reason -perhaps they had a bad day, perhaps they didn't like someon'e attitude, perhaps they are tired and pissed off because of their perception they are underpaid and that their primary 8 to 5 job gets in the way of their off duty $75 an hour detail at the local strip club where they can abuse drunken patrons who get a little to cozy with the naked girls giving lap dances for $35 a wack.
I am a civil libertarian and believe that a 'safety check' at night is flat wrong and dangerous and purposely crafted for a purpose other than 'safety' ... that being said,
I think the driver did it on purpose to see what would happen ... anyone who starts out with 'you're being taped' has got something else going ... anyone who drives down the road with video rolling of himself and then just happens on safety check has got something in mind.
I cannot imagine America with 'check points', but I also can't imagine what would happen if everyone did what he did
If everyone did what he did this shit would stop...
Shoulda got that cop's name and badge number.
Cops in my city can retire at 50 (if you have 25 years in) and still take a good pension (depending on salary of top 3 years). If you wait around until 53 you can keep your health insurance until 65 (and gain another 3 years of service to help boost that pension). In an ideal situation, you would sit on your ass for about 24 years or so and do little or nothing (typical government worker) and then go hard and heavy the last 3 years, working every minute of overtime you can (grant money is almost unlimited for police depts it would seem).
Cops around here make around $25 to $30hr and up for the big brass (which there is too many of). There is a hiring boom around here...ton of retirees going to collect that fat pension. The new boys are getting it though because now you actually have to contribute a little to your pension and who knows what happens with health care costs/etc.
Da fuzz............
I think these car cmeras will sooner or later require the ability to transmit these enounters in real time as an added precaution because I can see some of these police officers yanking the cameras out one day.
Sooner rather than later.
Thank you for your post and the links.
The legislators and the police are counting on us to NOT exercise our right. It seems that those who oppose exercising their rights in a situation like this motorist was in, would treat our rights like a cargo cult. If it were back in revolutionary times, I would have to think that those who disagree with the motorist who stood up to the police and asserted his rights, would be the same folks as the rats working for the British back in the day.
I have never been stopped driving in China
I have never been detained in China
I have only once been asked for ID by law enforcement in China, and even then it was to verify my visa was in order.
I have never been threatened by a cop in China
I have never had a gun pointed at me in China
I have gotten into an argument with a cop, however I told them to fuck off and they indeed fucked off because it was bullshit.
But AMERICA is SO FREEDOM
Do the Chinese force you to take off your shoes when boarding an airplane?
nope
How often has a representative of the state been in your wife's uterous?
China, land of the free? Feel free to head home anytime!
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/09/15/ns-dnt-mckenzie...
i dont think you understand.... i dont care about the idiot cultists and anything that gets rid of them is a good thing
Where are you living? I'm between Chongqing and Chengdu and I second your observation. Never been harassed by police in China (the bogeyman of the West) but have been bullied many times in the U.S. No it doesn't matter if you're in a coat and tie in the U.S., you aren't wearing a badge so therefore you are the enemy. In China they just leave you alone unless you do something like rob, rape, or kill someone - interesting concept huh?
yea, crazy shit i know. there's a lot of cops in china overall, but per-capita, it's nothing compared to the police state which is the us. with all the corrupt little powertripping roidragers under pressure to cover their expanding budgets and justify their existance... which, in a world of generally falling crime rates, means looking for any excuse to pull this shit. Toss in the fact that they are dipshit leftover bulletsponges from iraq, and hey hey, no shocker there why the us is fucked. the longer i'm over here the less i have any desire to go to the us for anything... "America" is dead.
yea but communism forces people to obey laws. what kid of freedom is that? and the chinese hang people publicly for being criminals. is that civilized? no, no, no! i'd rather live in a crime ridden country that is free from the hindrance of law and lets violent criminals have 2nd and third and 4th chances to rehab themselves.
Fuck China. Are you actually arguing you have more freedoms in China, with censored internet and no freedom of the press? The same country that needs to see the set list and review the lyrics of any musical act that performs there? Get real.
your "freedoms" are faker than a knockoff lv bag
Yes, well I routinely enjoy my "fake" uncensored internet, my "fake" freedom of the press and to criticize our government, and my "fake" uncensored concerts and albums. They are "faking" awesome.
This guy was a jerk and didn't handle it properly 100% but that cop was a complete a-hole who way over the line. If that wasn't being videotaped, it wouldn't have surprised me if the cops would have assaulted him by at the very least grabbing and shaking him forcably and likely a lot more.
I'm with the highway patrol on this one all the way! Personally a little down time in lock-up could help!
Checkpoint lovers in the “Home of the Brave Land of the Free” .
Yup.
Oh say can you bleat, by the dawns early light...
Care to elaborate?
What an East German fuktard.
Hiya MollyHacker open your mouth and suck on this, juggle my balls and finish me off with a titty wank. CUNT.
Women, for the most part, prefer security over liberty. Since they've been allowed to vote, what has happened to this government, and liberty?
[rhetorical question]
No offense to our highly respected and highly atypical regulars here like Miffed and MsCreat.
NAWALT.
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There is much truth to what people that are sovereign say. There are also a lot of fallacies and lies too. This video is a good example of various points of light in this world.
Driving isn't a right it is a privilege regulated by the law. And the Phoenicians use various forms of law to enforce their slave system around the globe.
However, traveling, via any means, is a right. You have free will and you have freedom of movement. That doesn't mean the servants of Satan aren't going to let you live in peace without harassing, threatening, terrorizing or killing you for their own amusement or try to box you inside of a smaller and smaller cube by giving up those rights until you are in a cell or your final plot.
The "Driver" was ignorant and should have said "traveler"
And the out of control masonic minion of her majesty Satan (if you believe I meant the queen mother you are also ignorant) is doing his duty as an actor according to the defintions of the words used in relation to the law.
He was probably doing this to show the other bisexual up-n-comers in the order how it is done so that they can be good dutiful servants of Satan.
In any case I'm never amazed at how many people don't realize that the entire global system of enslavement is by laws, the defined meaning of words within the law, how you use those words, and then distractions, lies, deceit, treachery, threats, intimidation and force used in order to get you to give up, submit, consent or understand and agree to give up your rights and place your signature on a contract.
I realize this post is a ZH bottom feeder so it will get few views and even fewer votes. But if you've read this far here is a suggestion in your search for knowledge. Since everything relates to the cube in some fashion try this the next time you get a ticket. If you are required to sign or forced to sign under threat, duress or coercion draw a box around where it says signature or where you are instructed to sign. And then carefully sign only inside this box. Then carefully read contract law and find the meaning of what you have done. A judge or magistrate won't roll over and just give up to dismiss easily. The cop probably won't know what you've done unless he is either well educated, which I doubt, or high enough up in the order. However, if you educate yourself on what you've done and what it means and can effectively convey that to the presiding actor in the black uniform of Saturn you will find your just rewards.
Ed and Elaine Brown tried everything.
This is the note they sent back when requested to pay property taxes:
“Nay! Nay! The land… at 401 Center of Town Road, Plainfield, New Hampshire [the Browns' residence], and all that is in and upon it, including the Lords bodies, are in the kingdom of heaven, belonging to the Lord, have been claimed by him, and thus can be claimed by no man, nor can any man have beneficial interest in it… Stand down and away from the Lords land and the bodies of the Lord. So it is written. So it is done.”
And in court they argued –
“The Browns filed numerous pre-trial motions, contending (among other things) that the United States is owned by Paine Webber and that "the most powerful court in America is not the United States Supreme Court, but the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania."[58] According to the Concord Monitor, the Browns filed "about 30 motions, expressing views that their case is governed by commercial law, that they are not the people named in the indictment, that the federal government has no authority and that they can resolve all charges with 'promissory notes' for billions of dollars."”
Both are in prison.
A glass half empty post with a glass half full reply.
The first sentence is not truthful or factual because they could not try everything.
I wonder if they knew that Satan is Lord of this world? Her servants wear black uniforms. When they file motions in the court of her servants they consent to be judged under that jurisdiction and her dominion.
There's a great video posted but I couldn't find it. There is a Sovereign who is standing outside the gates of the bar of the courtroom arguing his case with the judge. The judge, surprisingly responding, keeps directing him to step forward but also acknowledges the points being made. And the Sovereign keeps refusing. It infuriates the judge. To the point where the judge questions whether the man has mental problems. It really is quite amusing because you can tell the Sovereign is in full command of his position and the entire courtroom full of citizens and is having the judge dance to his tune. And the weakness of the judge forced him to resort to false accusations and threats of force in an attempt to regain control. The armed enforcers step forward as the judge raises his voice. The man again refuses to step forward and demands that the judge dismiss the charges and turns around and walks out unmolested.
His success will now be seen as a threat to the authority and entire power structure of the court. You can be assured of one thing. That example is a perfect one of why the current structure places what appears to be an inordinate amount of threat level upon the ones they have incorrectly labeled "Sovereign Citizens" (oxymoron). They are placed above everyone, including terrorists, in the level of danger they present. They know their rights and exercise them, they often know the law often better than those in power, challenge authority and set a dangerous example that could serious impede or eventually destroy the existing power structure if enough people understand and follow.
There is a well known saying in Japan. Deru kui wa utareru. It means "The stake that sticks up gets hammered down." That is almost everyone in this country and almost nobody fights back. That's one reason we have such crazy sick porn here. Everyone is acting out their confined self-expression and hostilities through perversions in sex.
I have repeatedly said this country is the opposite of America. Your children used to be raised to be strong willed, independent, stand out, be recognized indvidual kids. Now they are being trained into being mindless, obedient, submissive carbon copy slaves serving the satanist agenda. I was hopeful to see a better fight against it. But so far hardly a peep. And those peeps are crushed because they rarely get support.
If Ed and Elaine study more while they are in their prison cubicle inside their prison block they may realize where they went wrong and correct their mistakes.