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CDC Confirms First Ebola Case Diagnosed In The US, In Dallas Hospital - Press Conference Live Feed
- *CDC CONFIRMS FIRST EBOLA CASE DIAGNOSED IN THE UNITED STATES
- *EBOLA PATIENT IS IN DALLAS HOSPITAL, NEWS 8 REPORTS
The patient recently returned (via plane) from traveling from Liberia, West Africa. This perhaps explains why CDC was "taking precautions in the US" as we noted previously. And don't forget the administration's interference in Ebola treatments.
- *CDC SAYS INDIVIDUAL LEFT FROM LIBERIA
- *CDC SAYS PERSON WITH EBOLA IN TEXAS LEFT LIBERIA ON SEPT. 19
- *CDC SAYS INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPED SYMPTONS ON SEPT. 26
- *CDC SAYS U.S. EBOLA PATIENT IS A MALE
- *CDC IDENTIFIED ALL PERSONS THAT MAY BE IN CONTACT W/ INDIVIDUAL
- *CDC SAYS ALL PERSONS IDENTIFIED ARE MONITORED FOR 21 DAYS
- *CDC DIRECTOR SAYS: `I HAVE NO DOUBT WE WILL CONTROL THIS CASE'
- *CDC DIRECTOR SAYS: `THERE IS NO DOUBT WE WILL STOP IT HERE'
Press Conference (due to start at 530ET) via NBC News
Press Conference (due to start at 530ET) via CBS Local News
As Bloomberg reports,
The first Ebola case has been diagnosed in the U.S., the Centers for Disease Control said today in a statement.
A hospital in Dallas had been testing a person based on their travel history and symptoms, said in a statement earlier today. Another patient was being evaluated at a National Institutes of Health facility. It’s not clear if either patient is the one referred to in the CDC’s initial report.
CDC hosting a media briefing at 5:30pm; participants to include:
- CDC Director Thomas Frieden,
- Texas Department of State Health Services Commissioner David Lakey,
- Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas Hospital Epidemiologist Edward Goodman,
- Dallas County Health and Human Services Director Zachary Thompson.
That news explains this from last week..
- *CDC SAYS NEED TO SCALE UP EBOLA TREATMENT CENTERS ASAP
- *CDC SAYS TAKING PRECAUTIONS IN U.S. AGAINST EBOLA
It appears the term "contained" means a different thing once again.... as we warned here:
There’s a roughly 25 percent chance Ebola will be detected in the United Kingdom– and as much as an 18 percent chance it will turn up in the U.S. – by the end of September, the analysis of global mobility and epidemic patterns shows. The new paper includes the top 16 countries where Ebola is most likely to spread.
Though concerning, a spread to Western nations is not the biggest threat. At most, there would be a cluster of a few cases imported to the U.S., probably through air travel.
...
“We are at a crucial point,” Vespiginani said. “If the number of cases increases and we are not able to start taming the epidemic, then it will be too late. And then it requires an effort that will be impossible to bring on the ground.”
As we have noted previously (via Michael Snyder):
Even more noteworthy is the fact that the U.S. State Department has just ordered 160,000 Hazmat suits...
The U.S. State Department has ordered 160,000 Hazmat suits for Ebola, prompting concerns that the federal government is anticipating the rapid spread of a virus that has already claimed an unprecedented number of lives.
In a press release posted by Market Watch, Lakeland Industries, a manufacturer of industrial protective clothing for first responders, announced that it had signaled its intention “to join the fight against the spread of Ebola” by encouraging other suppliers to meet the huge demand created by the U.S. State Department’s order of 160,000 hazmat suits.
“With the U.S. State Department alone putting out a bid for 160,000 suits, we encourage all protective apparel companies to increase their manufacturing capacity for sealed seam garments so that our industry can do its part in addressing this threat to global health,” states the press release.
The huge bulk order of hazmat suits for Ebola has stoked concerns that the U.S. government expects the virus to continue to ravage countries in west Africa and may also be concerned about an outbreak inside the United States.
You don't order that many Hazmat suits unless you are anticipating an outbreak of apocalyptic proportions.
And the CDC has just issued a six page Ebola checklist to hospitals to help them spot potential Ebola patients in America...
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, warning hospitals and doctors that “now is the time to prepare,” has issued a six-page Ebola “checklist” to help healthcare workers quickly determine if patients are infected.
While the CDC does not believe that there are new cases of Ebola in the United States, the assumption in the checklist is that it is only a matter of time before the virus hits home.
Let us hope and pray that these precautions do not become necessary.
Because if Ebola starts spreading like wildfire in this country, we are going to see pain and suffering beyond anything that most of us have ever imagined.
Just consider what a health worker on the front lines is seeing on a day to day basis...
I wake up each morning – if I have managed to sleep – wondering if this is really happening, or if it is a horror movie. In decades of humanitarian work I have never witnessed such relentless suffering of fellow human beings or felt so completely paralysed and utterly overwhelmed at our inability to provide anything but the most basic, and sometimes less than adequate, care.
I am supervising the suspect tent, which has room for 25 patients who are likely to have Ebola – 80-90% of those we test have the virus. We administer treatment for malaria, start patients on antibiotics, paracetamol, multivitamins, rehydration supplements, food, water and juice while they wait for their results. Sometimes people have arrived too late and die shortly after arriving.
In one afternoon last week I watched five seemingly fit, healthy, young men die. I gave the first a bottle of oral rehydration solution and came back with another for the second. In the half a minute or so in which I had been away the first man died, his bottle of water spilt across the floor. The four others followed in quick succession.
Ebola is truly a terrible, terrible disease.
The moment that cases start popping up in the United States, all of our lives will instantly change.
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FYI - here are CDC's contamination centers...
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Wondering who started all this? It was a 2-year old in Guinea...
How the latest #Ebola crisis unfolded: http://t.co/3VGIgkcwyC pic.twitter.com/ct0gT0T0Io
— Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) September 30, 2014
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Let's be a bit more precise...Iberian-Europeans. Now the natives are merely Post-Colonial Spaniards.
Actually, syphilis originated in the New World. Columbus brought it back to Europe hidden among his crew, who promptly infected all the whores in port as well as their wives and their future progeny. People being what they are, it spread out from there.
Why does it hurt when I pee?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiu6DFXeF9A
pods
Don't forget that Genghis Khan was not only the most successful military leader in history (the Horde was literally unstoppable, and was even more dominant than the Roman Legion or Alexander), but he was a prolific sexaholic (rumored he had sex up to 25 times a day) of EPIC PROPORTIONS - it is estimated that 1 in 18 Asians have DNA directly traceable to Genghis) - and he most likely died of syphilis.
Syphilis was not present in the Old World in 1227 when Genghis Khan died. He could not have perished from syphilis. Also, it is not entirely possible to establish how many blood descendants Genghis Khan had, since his own DNA of course cannot be sequenced. The reports of Genghis Khan's fecundity are most likely greatly exaggerated.
Truth..
now I know why Thai women are so damn hot! Thanks! They are all cookie cutter stunnahs!
Just be cautious if they only want anal.
Just sayin.
pods
they may isolate this or they may not but by Jan they will have an outbreak and when the outbreak begins it can't be isolated. It will then be a question of mortality rate and that will be about 20% at least that's my hope. IF its higher then you can effectively turn out the lights "literally" because NO ONE will come into the public for fear of contracting it.......gl all of you with this
Lagging mortality at approximately 70%
https://maimunamajumder.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/pfc_9-25.png
mortality rate with this strain is only about 20% with "proper" treatment. BUT if you introduce SHUTDOWN hospitals and SHUTDOWN JIT food chain then you can kiss your ass goodbye and that is the way it may go down
The Spanish Flu of 1918 (deadliest viral epidemic in history) had a mere 2.5% mortality rate.
Potentially deadly viruses that mutate and become marginally less lethal actually spread more rapidly and kill more people because the victims remain mobile and spread the virus more widely.
A 20% mortality rate and 10% of Americans contracting ebola would leave 6.3 million dead.
The incubation period of as much as 21 days between contracting this strain of Ebola & 1st symptoms presenting is an ominous thing.
You catch Ebola the same way you would AIDS.
Funny you should say that:
Ebloa virus outbreak: Liberia doctor treating patients with HIV drugs reports success
Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/ebola-outbreak-liberia-do...
HIV drugs are basically just RNA transcriptase inhibitors, so it is not surprising that they would suppress most viral activity. The problem is, they suppress normal cellular mitosis as well. Furthermore (and more importantly) this is not a cure; it just causes the infection to reduce to a latent and undetectable state. As is the well-known case with HIV, as soon as the patient goes off the drugs, the virus starts multiplying in his system again. This process could create asymptomatic Ebola carriers who can spread the disease far and wide before anybody becomes the wiser. Treating Ebola with reverse transcriptase inhibitors has the potential to do far more harm than good.
Great. Well, that's just fucking great.
Time for a double feature binge weekend of Resident Evil and 28 Days Later for a little pick-me-up.
Funny, I'm in the middle of a "Resident Evil" binge as we speak.
Dude, that Milla Jovovich is seriously wicked hot!
So, ever wonder why the NorCal Ebola containment bin is in SF? Everybody can die and none of it'll be AIDS related. Another NWO excuse for evil.
"Dude, that Milla Jovovich is seriously wicked hot!"
Truer words have never been spoken on ZH.
Season 4 of the Walking Dead came out on Netflix today. Sometimes synchronicity can be damn strange.
Good stuff.
Treating Ebola with reverse transcriptase inhibitors has the potential to do far more harm than good.
Of course if your goal is to get everyone on the planet to buy your expensive drugs until they die in order to maximize shareholder value you are onto something big here...
SEND THE PATIENT TO WASHINGTON D.C., STAT!
Time to stock up on Liposomal Vitamin C in liquid form.
Wait, you just gave us a stock tip?
So its a kick the can medicine. Perfect for a selling a product, not so good if you want to stop a disease. Its the philosophy that has become corrupted.
HIV drugs could be a cure for Ebola,
if it allows the immune system to attack the virus at a low level infection,
and then the immune system eliminates the Ebola virus completely.
just like in the existing survivors.
What cells does Ebola infect?
That is the important question in comparison to HIV.
HIV infects and kills immune system cells,
which is why it is so deadly.
<response to first poster> This is simply incorrect. HIV is a retrovirus which can lay dormant in the genome of your T-cells, Ebola cannot. Anything that can reduce the viral copy number and rate of viral replication (i.e. nucleotide analogs) will help provide time for your immune system to react and clear the virus.
Let's hope for your sake you never test "positive" for HIV.
HIV is going to be the downfall of modern medicine, well, retroactively.
http://www.houseofnumbers.com/site2/
pods
Butseks?
West Africans are used to living in shithole. Americans won't be able to cope with a 3 day government to stay home or stores running out of EBT goods. I say that we have until Nov 1st before full panic. That is only if we are told the truth about infections/deaths in the next 30 days. If Ebola is here you know sure as shit it is also throughout Europe at this point.
Online stores are about to make a killing [so to speak]. No one is going shopping in a crowded store with potential Eboleans coughing, sneezing, vomiting blood next them. I hate trying on a shirt or slacks when the guy next to me is puking blood.
Just saying....
And who is going to deliver to houses with potential Eboleans coughing on them at the front door? I don't buy the November bit because if this is going to turn into a world wide pandemic, it will take longer than that, but if it does, you won't want ANY contact with people who might be infected.
The time to panic is when there are secondary and tertiary infections here or in another Western country. And then you shouldn't panic. You should isolate yourself.
Don't lick the hookers either, they leave a nasty taste in your mouth...... So I am told.
Everythings mixed up: State department's buying hazmat suits (it would make sense if hillary was still in charge), USDA is buying submachine guns... WHAT DO THEY KNOW THAT I DON'T?
USDA buying a metric shit ton of sub-machine guns.
Yep....watch the watchers.....their actions are telling us something.
Have no fear, they are all on their way to the Mexican drug lords.
what do you get when you cross a donkey with a jar of peanut butter?
a piece of ass that sticks to the roof of your mouth
What do you get when you cross a donkey with an onion ?
A little piece of ass that brings tears to your eyes.
couldn't resist.
Thou shalt not question the benefits of Globalism and Migration--even if it kills us all.
"If the number of cases increases and we are not able to start taming the epidemic, then it will be too late. And then it requires an effort that will be impossible to bring on the ground.”
however, we will not create any flight restrictions to this part of the world in fear that the oil companies may have trouble getting their employees to go there....since they couldn't return....and if they can't return then we sure wouldn't be able to get any employees there and we would begin to lose our African investments for the forseeable future. And in Africa....abandoned investments don't just wait for you to return. They get completely absorbed and recycled....and you have to start over. We can't have that....so keep the planes flying because it's really important for LIBERIANS to be able to fly in and out of DFW.
I sure hope they have figured out which flight he took from the shithole continent back to civilization and are notifying all those people on the aircraft.
Unless ofcourse, he jumped the border.
They caught 80 on the border, so he is just one of the other 10k that strolled thru'
without hindrance.
They will close the border the moment the flow reverses.
9/11. "Is this an outbreak or not?"
They will close the border the moment the flow reverses.
Fuckin A right!
And you know what? If we demonstrate the ability to provide a higher survival rate for the infected, and do not close off access to the US, everyone who has ebola, or fears they may have ebola, and who can afford a plane ticket will be on their way.
Have a nice day, y'all.
"they will close the border the moment the flow reverses"
That cannot be repeated enough. As Ive said here several times when people call for a giant fence with a moat full of alligators and land mines and machine gun nests. There may come a time when you desperatly want to get south, and while those things might keep the illegals and everyone else out, they will be just as effective at keeping us in
It's already been shown we can secure the border at will, and doing so today would be far more effective given the improvements in technology, and it was pretty damn effective 60 years ago..
The border is open because they want it open, and it will close the moment TPTB want it closed. That moment will be when high-value capital, financial, human, or otherwise, tries to escape uncontrolled. (They're perfectly happy to allow high value capital to leak out, as long as they're taking their skim as middlemen, see China.)
I am sure that a month ago people on ZH were calling for a complete ban on flights from Africa.
As usual, the Government ignores the intelligent best option,
and goes with the worst option.
Uuuuugh.... I live out of town but work in Dallas.... My wife works for a medical supply company where the salesmen have to be at all the local hospitals ( including the one where this patient is ).....
Why haven't we banned travel from every country with active ebola cases????
I guess ebola is the JV team...
This is really making me angry.
Better yet, why haven't they closed the fucking borders? Never mind, Barry wants them open...
Like Reggie's ass.
"Femaland Vacations" will be free for all that wish to become infected. Yes, a free stay at Femaland!!!!
Yeah, those FEMA camps are secure. Just like a roach motel, people check in, but they dont check out.
double post
didn't the Cowboys have a home game Sunday ? oh boy........... WSJ ran and article this morning about germs and how they spread
didn't the Cowboys have a home game Sunday ? oh boy........... WSJ ran an article this morning about germs and how they spread
didn't the Cowboys have a home game Sunday ? oh boy........... WSJ ran an article this morning about germs and how they spread
You can say that again...and again...and again...
We haven't banned air traffic from active Ebola countries because the executive branch wants Ebola here. They want to destroy America, Americans and the dollar and they want to make a fortune while they're doing it.
Let's get real, they want the fear of ebola here.
They could care less about the actual presence of the disease beyond enough to scare people to the point of giving the government whatever remnants of rights they have left. Great excuse for door-to-door searches, for one.
Fear is a huge motivator, Seek, but I ask you to consider other possibilities. You are no doubt aware of Agenda 21 and the recent appearance of FEMA camps. Maybe you are also aware of the Georgia Guidestones and the first "commandment" listed thereon.
The infinite growth on a finite planet meme has reached its zenith in the eyes of TPTB. To be honest, I agree- if on that point alone.
Thing is, they promulgated this meme from the get-go. They knew the final outcome at the outset, AND THEY DIDN'T FKN CARE!
Got a longer than average attention span? Listen to this-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrUXPn7HCjM
My wife's a doctor.
Tell me your problems again?
She may be usings some vacation time real soon...if I have to duct tape her to a chair.
My wife runs a clinic. I'll kidnap her ass if need be, but she would quit if it got to that point which it probably will.
"Why haven't we banned travel from every country with active ebola cases????"
You mean like the USA?
I've have travelled to both Texas, and West Africa...with the exception of the inhabitants, they are both very similar enviroments.
actually, West Africa is a much more beautiful place than anywhere in Texas if we're just talking about landscape. okay okay, yah...we've all heard about Big Bend National Park.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs
Just watched a MOS interview of a "lady" being asked about her thoughts on Ebola. She actually said she'll be voting for him again because "he be a good prez-iden" Do I really share a country with such ingnorance and stupidity??!!
Welcome to the Age of Idiocracy... Prez Camacho will be right along...
Yes, you do.
This is why the fore-fathers set voting rights for property owners/non-slaves. The way I see it, people on welfare are slaves to the state...and in the old system wouldn't be allowed to vote the 'coffers' to themselves...
It was setup correctly, we just modified it to where it was meaningless.
Please,please- I beg you, can you post a link to that?
Please-I'm begging you -post a link to that!
'I'm not Dead...!!!'
Mostly dead.
Have fun storming the castle!
Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of Elderberry... I fart in your general direction...
From Monty Python to Princess Bride and back again? How very clever. The young and inexperienced, however, might be a little confused.
...bu' I'm no' dead yet.
Nonsence, you'll be dead within hours!
Bu' I'm feelin' be''er.
So, 'ow much then?
Seventy pence. Bu' 'e's no' dead. I can't possibly...
I think I'll go for a walk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs
And the best part-
'e must be a King.
W'y?
'e 'asn't go' shi' all over 'im!
The very last episode of Monty Python's Flying Circus aired on 12/5/74. I still mourn.
Thats wierd I was just singing Ring around the Rosies
Pocket full of Posies
Ashes to ashes we all fall down.
here(s) one.... I'm not dead... I think I will go for a walk...Shut up you... Can't you do something?... Clank
Time for Obama to hit the links...
I spit coffee out of my nose reading this comment. Well played old chap!
A little late for coffee? It's approaching beer-thirty.
At least you weren't saluting with it....
MOTHERFU*KER!!!! Would you guys quit worrying? The CDC says everything is fine and no reason to be worried. After all, Ol'bombya has their back.....oh....wait...
http://haicontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/03/when-did-cdc-funding-become...
Time for some bong hits
Mmmmmmmmm, bong hits and donuts!
Screw bong hits.
If we are staring Ebola in the face, I'll have some China white with a side of Bolivian marching powder, if you please.
Add a pinch of Peruvian Buttefly wing and you gots a party!
Plutonian Nyborg
YEHA YEAH YEAH! Space truckin'!
LOL. I looked up both of those. +1 to you my man! My generation would be a lot funnier if we used 70's lingo in everyday language.
Cut out a line of Pink Peruvian Flake....
Hahahahaa, yes indeed
"Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope."—Freewheelin' Franklin.
In dope there's hope,
a friend with weed is a friend indeed.
lsdmtstp
This can't be good for real estate prices....
Mission Accomplished?
<-- Plausible
<-- Implausible
Alnost there.......
The puzzle is coming together, just consider all of the insults to vets: Obama's propaganda corps labeling them 'domestic terrorists' with zero cases of vet terrorism, shitting on the VA, giving Iraq to a gang of killers, leaving the ports open to disease and invasion - it's all intended to push just one vet over the top, and generate an assassination attempt on Obama. Now the news is full of stories of 1000+ security breaches around Obama and people running around inside the White House....... This may be the easiest route to martial law (Obama or someone close to him is injured or killed, cities burn, Obama or some proxy for him serves as martyr to blacks and hero to whites as he rolls out the armor to restore order. Their fingers are crossed for a race riot).
now you know why he sent 3000 military servicemen to Africa to stop Ebola, just another part of the puzzle
Seems so....I was wondering why I started to check my preps and cycle out some stuff like our gasoline store. I need to go get some more masks...
Viruses have this really nasty (from human vantage point) proclivity to
mutate quickly in order to survive; survival mandates evolution through mutation.
Ebola is now "out of the bush" and deeply entrenched in major cities, printing many mutations at a speed and rate that epidemiologists have never witnessed before.
The big question was and will always be if it's transmissible via the air, from human to human, in the manner that closely related viruses are, such as rhinoviruses (colds) and influenza.
For what reason is this downvoted?
Because it's fear porn, nothing happens that fast on any level, this guy was likely purposely exposed
"This guy was likely purposely exposed "
lol. And you accuse me of "fear porn."
My statement about Ebola now being "out of the bush" and entrenched in major cities (20 million people in Lagos, Nigeria, alone), and this giving the virus exponentially greater statistical odds of mutating quickly, is spot on.
How does that make it not fear porn? I know you guys aren't big on logic, but seriously, YOU BETTER BE SCARED!!!
Lets see what happens in 20 days...
I hope your right
Going airborne is highly unlikely, as the virus is not known to infect cells in the respiratory system, although a very sick individual could have bleeding in the lungs that could concievably translate into coughing blood microdroplets on others and infecting them.
http://www.nature.com/news/will-the-ebola-virus-go-airborne-1.15943
Actually Ebola Reston can be transmitted via the air....also, all Ebola Viruses show signs of aerosolized transfers from human to human with 1 meter. Flu and colds do the same at 2 meters.
Ordinarily you might be right. But this is engineered...could/what if the gov "mutated" it to go airborne?
Nid, for you this is fear porn. For me, this is real. Believe it or not I am rational and logical but this is an epidemic with a virus that has the ability to melt down a human. It is highly communicable. We can even contain highly resistant bacteria in the hospital which are now ravaging our communities. I ran 6 specimens for flu today. What is one of those patients really had Ebola? I took precautions but was it enough? This is not bubonic plague which would be far easier to deal with.
I AM SCARED so call me a fucking idiot and enjoy yourself.
Miffed
Miffed, as a professional virologist and molecular biologist - I'm with you 100%. The small number of nucleotide changes in this 'sub-strain' of Zaire lead to dramatic differences in pathology and infection time-course from canonical Zaire. This does not bode well for future changes leading to modes of transmission. For everyone claiming that the virus will become less pathogenic, this does happen but it requires multiple mutations and typically occurs when a virus no longer has a naive host population. If the incident in TX isn't contained over the next 3 weeks, it's time for a long staycation.
Good to see you again Miffed. Thank you for that Alsatian. I did my own research albeit very humble after I saw the Youtube play from the CDC. They can't say this guy was or was not a citizen? HIPAA is a US citizen law-not extended to others. Looks to me like he lived there.
OK, this guy came from Monrovia to Dallas via what route? Several stops cost about $4,000 mostly in London, Spain, Monocco, NYC, Boston then Dallas. Jet Blue, Delta, US Air (American) all fly there along with Monrovia airlines. He went to the hospital the 28th feeling sick...now WAIT A MINUTE...who goes to the ER? Who goes to the ER when they don't have insurance? You have to be FUCKING SICK to want to go to the ER and get felt up all over for your insurance card b4 the hours long wait to see a doc. That means he could have been feeling pretty yukky on the way over here....at all the stops..at all the terminals..in ALL the planes. I would just think it was a little summer/fall cold, maybe a fever-IF I DIDN'T COME FROM FUCKING LIBERIA!
Willwork, the contacts for this guy could be in the thousands. The consider anything he has touched could contain viable virus for an extended time. I would not be shocked to see pockets of out breaks all over the world from this one guy. Would you want to fly in the plane he took? Purchase a magazine from a vendor he leafed through and put back before boarding a plane? Add in the "21 day incubation" ( which seems more and more farcical). The numbers are mind blowing.
Obama and our government are idiots. Their stupidity provides a lot of entertainment here. I came here to learn how to deal with a financial calamity. Now it seems that is the least of my worries.
Miffed
the world is a better place with you in it...
This is a fucking neg sense RNA virus. A fucking mutating machine. God what is the percentage, I don't really know but say 3-5%? My god, we are fucking DEAD running those numbers. GOD, in a population that has no native immunity. It could burn through us like gasoline soaked balsa wood.
I'm starting to cry. I can't believe this is happening. Ive been a stupid ant screaming for someone to listen and the bulldozer just runs over me not even noticing.
Thanks for the acknowledgement. Good to know someone understands what this really means and what we are facing. I need to keep my head. I feel just so impotent to do anything but run.
Miffed
Please Miff, we need you here with your head on. It's ironic one of my favorite and best selling authors published a book called INNOCENCE that ties a global Ebola pandemic with a military experiment gone array. It is kind of coincidental that the outbreaks occurred near major cities in countries the US wants more oil from.
Yes, I also came here to gather more information on what economic dangers we are facing. But everything is tied in with everything else right? If this is a pandemic then it will effect the stock market, bonds, RE valuations and much, much more. This might be their long awaited crisis to blame a financial melt-down on after blaming the weather for so long...after all Gore speak is beginning to get old.
On the bright side, if the shit hits the fan I can finally tell my mortgage bankl to go pound sand & smile!
Which author? I might want to pick that up just before it becomes reality.
There's still time for preparing. Besides prophylaxsis, there are anti-virals that could work. Unfortunately Ebola doesn't have a DNA stage in the replication cycle, so deoxy-nucleoside analogs are counter-productive, but the simple base analogs may work. Many of the proven anti-virals are available generically but you would have to start taking them before infection or visible symptoms to be effective at all. There may also be the "Jenner" option of creating your own vaccine with killed or attenuated virus - if it ever got that bad and there was no large-scale government response. Shouldn't be hard to culture considering its tropism. Think of that as a mental exercise at this point. Frankly I'm amazed that more small biotech companies haven't attempted to create R&D vaccines over the last decade or so, but nobody does anything with vaccines anymore without government funding. Will this be a case where CDC/DHS select agent regs combined with a lack of rapid air travel restrictions will have been existentially limiting?
There is nothing you can do in any case. I suggest you try and take a more detached approach, there is no good reason to feel any personal responsibility for any of this.
Besides, the real problems have not arrived. This lastest is just random noise. The real problem will not be a guy getting off a plane, but something nobody saw coming that never quite makes it into the news. A small town that goes dark, no reason given. A major urban hospital locks down, no reason given. We'll get wind of a mysterious event and that's all, but the game will be on.
Take precautions in the lab. And yes, if we see mysteries (or even just a lot of tests for "flu" when there is no pandemic) I suggest you should just quit because the money won't matter any more when the economy is set to implode.
Cat out.
I thank you for your input, Alsatian.
But is it true that Ebola is closely related to cold and flu viruses?
Someone above gave a link reporting that Ebola has been treated successfully by
HIV virus drugs.
HIV is not closely related to cold and flu viruses.
"treated" is a bit misleading. The ARV drugs used to "treat" AIDS patients basically surpress the virus, so they must stay on the drugs 4EVAH. In other words, best case, those drugs will allow people to live with the Ebola virus, at least for a while, but it is not a cure.
huge difference between fear porn and facts. All he said is that its no longer isolated to a bunch of bushwhackers in whogivesafuck, Afria. Its in fucking Dallas. Whether or not you respond to that is up to you. Go ahead asshole, dont wash your hands. Youll be doing the human race a favor by dying anyway. Have fun bleeding to death out your dickhole
The amount of contact you need to catch Ebola is higher than handshaking and speaking and breathing in the same room. It involves direct exchange of bodily fluids, and there is no evidence that Ebola, which is a larger and more substantial virus will become airborn. Airborn virii also have the ability to pass through the lungs without damaging them, and Ebola destroys every tissue it touches pretty much.
It's fear porn, made to make you fear some possibility no matter how stastically remote.
The same rules that applied to HIV, apply to this.
All those doctors in space suits that caught it must have been boinkin the patients when nobody was watching...
Word.
if you believe the CDC about being infectious only after symptons, where in the body does ebola hide out until the fever breaks? the big toe? you mean to tell me that this guy wasn't pissing a few ebolas out into the plane's lavatory because he wasn't feverish yet? didn't pick his nose (i get a little blood sometimes)?
Link I copied from above,
http://www.nature.com/news/will-the-ebola-virus-go-airborne-1.15943
says Ebola enters thru breaks in skin, and thru
moist tissues of mouth, nose, eyes,
and presumably sexually.
Shaking hands that touch the eyes, nose, mouth,
probably could spread the virus.
I hope you die bleeding out the dickhole is my new favorite putdown. Thanks!
You never know who it can happen to first.
Is that the best you can hope for?
Because it's fear porn, nothing happens that fast on any level, this guy was likely purposely exposed
You say nothing happens this fast on any level because in our lifetimes, we have not seen it. That is a very shortsighted view. Many things have happened historically that our current population cannot even conceive of. Our not conceiving of it, however, will not stop it from happening. This virus seems to be operating at about the pace I would expect for an outbreak of a disease that modern medicine does not yet have tamed. Fear porn would have had the entire ebola timeline happen in days. It's taking months. Seems about right to me. Eerily realistic.
Two choices: either none of it is happening at all, and this is just the most extreme "put the people in fear mode" trick the media has yet pulled (to rival 9/11 if they take it much further), or there is really a new highly lethal virus loose in the world, and for our modern society to survive in its current form, we better pray hard that this doesn't mutate to an airborne version (or more fluently airborne than currently - I still wonder how the healthcare workers have gotten it...).
"Because it's fear porn, nothing happens that fast on any level, this guy was likely purposely exposed"
Crazy lulu nut.
By the way, the CDC has already said this thing is airbore. On their website they changed the vector of transmission from close personal contact (touching body fluids) to "casual contact" defined, in a footnote, as being in the same room with an infected person for an extended period of time, or being within 3 feet of an infected person, and warning care providers to don retective suites and repirators that will protect against airborne droplets.
Nid;
What do you think of "The Hot Zone" by Richard Preston?
Probably because viruses are not alive in the first place, hence they neither "evolve" nor even "survive." Viruses are nucleotide-and-protein packages that can only be produced by a living cell. In other words, they are cellular products like globulins; they have no will of their own. Viruses must originate endogenously and they seem to be a way for cells to communicate with and/or attack one another. The reason for their existence, according to my thesis, is to define immunologically related groups.
Now it is well known that errors do occur in nucleotide transcription; thus viruses from time to time will "mutate" in that sense. But these mutated particles are likely to be defective and useless. Meaningful change in a virus' genome can only be educed in it by the cell that manufactured it, according to some operation not currently understood. This process does not typically result in more virulent disease-causing strains. In fact, common disease-causing viruses tend to get milder over time. The death rate from maladies like measles and small pocks was actually declining even before Louis Pasteur invented his first vaccine.
There is little to worry about from Ebola mutating. The worry is simply Ebola itself.
Unless it finds that Goldilocks host. Lots of folks in Tejas.
Happy mutating!
+1 for technicality..
Would a potentially weoponized version of ebola act different?
Viruses are organisms (Ebola is a RNA vs DNA virus) that can even survive outside of a host for weeks (influenza & cold - rhinovirus - viruses can live for days on stainless steel surfaces, even).
Would a potentially weoponized version of ebola act different?
Weaponized Ebola's activity would not differ from regular Ebola once it entered a human host. The good news on this score is, however, that given the way Ebola virus spreads from person to person (i.e. via an exhange of bodily fluids), it would be quite difficult to weaponize it in the first place. It takes an enormous amount of technical sophistication to produce a working biological weapon and there simply is not enough known about Ebola to render the attempt feasible. What we do know about Ebola tends to disqualify it as a candidate for biological warfare. Other than its high mortality rate, it has nothing going for it; it is neither especially contagious nor quick-acting nor untreatable. Even if an Ebola weapon could be produced (a possibility I very much doubt), the effect of it would be rather like loading up a Paris Gun full of grapeshot and trying to annihilate an enemy infantry column from 100 miles away. You might get lucky and hit one or two, but the result will hardly have been worth the effort.
i don't expect a reply to this:
and there simply is not enough known about Ebola to render the attempt feasible.
but, how do you know this?
and a follow up, if you do know this, please keep us informed?
thank you!
Ya hear about the Air Marshall being stuck with a Hypo recently, Here is a link on a low-rent method to weaponize ebola.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2014/09/us_air_marshall_stabbed_w...
GS Moron,
there is no biological law that says mutations cannot make a virus worse.
That is an absolutely absurd statement.
There is plenty of historical evidence of influenza viruses mutating into a worse virus,
and probably also true for HIV virus,
as some HIV mutants are more dangerous, more deadly,
than other milder HIV mutants.
It can go either way, milder, or worse.
Is that why viruses are cataloged, by origin, date first observed ect.?
Viruses are most certainly alive, just as you'd consider a tape worm alive. Both are parasites, one happens to only metabolize (replicate or lysogenize) inside a host cell, while the other requires a whole multi-cellular organism. "Meaningful" change implies a design - mutations and recombination events are typically random but there are hot-spots in any viral genome and certainly the rate of mutation can be changed up or down. Selection 'pressure' is a way of imagining the effect of a mutation on the number, rate, and replication success of progeny virii of a single parental virus once a random mutation has occured. In the case of Ebola, the selection pressure for improved airborne transmission will be immense if any such nucleotide change occurs that even marginally facilitates it. Unfortunately as an ssRNA virus, the rate of mutation is quite high for each replication cycle. The one bit of good news is that there aren't that many people out there that are co-infected with another filoviridae species, so the likihood of viral recombination events will low since the rate cross-species (non-homologous) recombination is typically very low. This becomes a problem however when large numbers of infected people get re-infected with a slighly different version of the same virus and recombination will 'quickly' select for the best set of sequences that maximize infectivity.
>There is little to worry about from Ebola mutating.
Tyrell: Wouldn't obstruct replication; but it does give rise to an error in replication, so that the newly formed DNA strand carries with it a mutation - and you've got a virus again... but this, all of this is academic. You were made as well as we could make you. Batty: But not to last. Look I realize the basic reproduction number (R nought) of Ebola is 1 to 4. But personally I would look at the time it takes for reproduction... Bacteria can be as fast as 15 to 20 minutes. Viral life cycle consists of replication/shedding... Read where Dengue fever replicative cycle is 24 hours. Trying to find an online version of Fields Virology at the moment and get a number on Ebola...what seems to be the problem?
DEATH!
I want more life, fucker!
...not an easy thing, to meet your maker!
But they have been known to get friendly with other viruses and swap genetic material.