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Dallas Officials Looking For Missing "Low Risk" Potential Ebola Patient As CDC 'Almost' Admit Ebola Is Airborne
The good news - CDC Director Frieden says the Ebola outbreak in Nigeria 'may' be over (but can't yet give "all clear").
The bad news - the US Ebola patient has taken a turn for the worse; Dallas officials are looking for a missing homeless man who may have Ebola contact; and CDC Director Frieden warned that "in theory, a sneeze or cough could spread the virus from someone experiencing Ebola symptoms."
The 'Good' News...
- *EBOLA OUTBREAK IN NIGERIA MAY BE OVER, CDC'S FRIEDEN SAYS
- *CDC CAN'T YET GIVE ALL CLEAR IN NIGERIA OVER EBOLA
- *NO MORE EBOLA CASES REPORTED IN DALLAS, COMMISSIONER SAYS
The 'Meh' News...
- *FRIEDEN SAYS THERE IS `UNDERSTANDABLE' EBOLA FEAR IN U.S.
- *FRIEDEN SAYS CDC'S TOP PRIORITY IS TO PROTECT AMERICANS
- *FRIEDEN SAYS SITUATION IN WEST AFRICA REMAINS `FLUID'
- *TEXAS HEALTH OFFICIALS WANT HOSPITALS ON `HIGH ALERT' FOR EBOLA
- *CDC'S FRIEDEN SAYS 2 EXPERIMENTAL DRUGS MAY HELP FIGHT EBOLA
The 'Bad News...
- *DALLAS OFFICIALS LOOKING FOR MAN WHO MAY HAVE HAD EBOLA CONTACT
- *DALLAS OFFICIALS SAY MAN IS CONSIDERED `LOW RISK'
- *FRIEDEN SAYS MISSING PERSON BEING SOUGHT WAS CHECKED YESTERDAY
- *TEXAS HEALTH COMMISSIONER SAYS MAN BEING SOUGHT IS HOMELESS
And
- *JENKINS SAY PEOPLE WORRIED ABOUT EBOLA SHOULD GET CHECKED
- *CDC REALIZES U.S. EBOLA PATIENT HAS TAKEN TURN FOR WORSE
As CBC reports,
Officials in Texas are looking for a homeless man who may have had contact with an Ebola patient hospitalized in Dallas. The man, who walked away from a health facility Saturday after having his temperature tested, is considered at low risk.
"We have a great place for him to stay and we can attend to his every need. We just need him to be a hero to his community and to come forward," Clay Lewis Jenkins, Dallas County judge, said at a news conference Sunday.
Jenkins added that police and other public officials are looking for the man.
Health officials say the man, whose name has not been released, may have had contact with Thomas Eric Duncan, the Ebola patient who is now "fighting for his life" after his condition worsened from serious to critical on Saturday.
and - it appears Ebola can spread by more than just direct contact with bodily fluids... (via The Hill)
Frieden acknowledged Thursday that Ebola would pose a risk to the United States until the epidemic stops in West Africa.
"The plain truth is that we can't make the risk zero until the outbreak is controlled," he said. ??"What we can do is minimize that risk... by working to ensure that there are no more individuals that will be exposed [here]."
??Frieden also said that, in theory, a sneeze or cough could spread the virus from someone experiencing Ebola symptoms. ??Officials had previously downplayed this possibility, focusing on direct contact with bodily fluids. ??
"There are certainly theoretical situations where someone sneezes... and you touch your eyes or mouth or nose," and catch the virus from any transmitted particles, he said. "[But] realistically you can say what may be theoretically possible as opposed to what actually happens in the real world," he added.
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But apart from that - "contained"
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How contagious is Ebola?
Less than you'd think. (NPR) pic.twitter.com/YMKXzANidq
— ian bremmer (@ianbremmer) October 5, 2014
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I might have this wrong, but this sounds like many of the fuck ups we have already seen and they are not spelling it out.
The "Homeless guy" has been coming in for monitoring. No one thought to give him housing. Now he is missing and retroactively they are realizing that they should have given him a place to stay while being monitored.
Just like no one thought to get those people out of that Ebola infested apartment...
Just like no one thought to contact the step daughter who brough him in.
Just like they spray rigged the cement outside because no one was doing shit so the property owners did the best they could with the knowldege they had because no authority (who is being paid by us Godammit) had been by to do anything about it.
They don't know what they are doing they are inventing the processes now. Each error is an "education" for them, but please don't lie to me and say "you got this in hand." You got your dick in your hand is what you got and you are learning on the fly and you have no fucking insight or imagination to think through what all needs to be attended to.
You are Goddamn losers.
I'd bet my life that there are policies and procedsures in virtually every hospital in Amerika for dealing with eBola type outbreaks. Most likely found in the "Infection Control Manual". The Joint Commission(JCAHO it used to be known as) makes hospitals have P&Ps for every detail of hospital operation. But as I said...nobody reads the stuff nor do they enforce the policies and procedures.
While it's true that hospitals, as well as most industries, have Policy and Procedure Manuals, there 's no way you can foresee some of the stupid things that people will do.
Just like the picture on ZH yesterday of the two workers dressed in the whole get-out for Ebola, and one of them had his sleeves rolled up.
Unbelievably assinine, but that's people for you.
Just Charles Darwin tidying up the shallow end of the gene pool.
MSTD, n: MicroSoft Transmitted Disease. Propagates only due to Microsoft's
insistence on distributing [software] that resembles Petri dishes.
-- www.everything2.com
That rocked.
I have searched for any confirmation of Duncan dying, and haven't found any yet.
I think it is clear that he is now "fighting for his life", and has been intubated. I am wagering a guess here: I doubt anyone with Ebola has been intubated, and survived. (I don't think any of the others brought back and treated in US, were intubated) . As time goes on, and we treat more of these cases with full on Western ICU care, we may recognize that, if an Ebola patient requires intubation, they will not survive- so don't do it.
It is interesting, from a medical perspective, to see that this may be the initiation of some basic ICU principles for caring for Ebola patients. Since Western Intensive Care units really havent had a chance to try thing out- and since the situation is desperate- you will get a lot of experimental attempts- and, maybe, something will work. This is new. In a horrible way, interesting only because facing an unknown,and experiments may lead somewhere.
From what I have read, the details of the contact the people living in his apartment with him, while he was contagious, for 4 days - they are obviously very high risk. I don't think they were taking anything near reasonable precautions. They have now been moved from a place where you could see them thru windows, or when they came out to open door to apartment - moved to a house in a gated community- that, at least so far, no reporters can see. They also were talking to reporters via phone, and maybe internet. I am interested to see if they suddenly are no longer able to be seen or heard from. The question in my mind is, have they been taken away so that no one can verify that they are indeed doing well? I would doubt it, but the question is out there. If there is some invented reason why they are no longer available - there should be concern.
Also, Duncan exhibited symptoms within 5 days of being exposed - we are now out about 7 days from when these family members were first exposed. It CAN take 21 days, but I would expect one or two of them to become ill very soon.
He had flown over here to maybe get back together with this woman- pretty hugh chance he clept with her first night or two. He was sweating profusely, and vomiting in that apartment, with them there, for four days. Seems risk is pretty high.
The other parts that have not been well-described are, how long was he in ER each time. Was he in waiting room, and for how long? Was he throwing up in waiting room, or in bathroom? How many people were in the waiting room? Once he had become ill- did he stay in that apartment, or did he go out anywhere? Most people, when they are sick, make at least one trip to a drugstore - did he?
Have they said how many visitors dropped by the apartment, before he went to hosptal the second time? Did they go to any restaurants?
As far as I can tell, he had arranged to come to US to visit this woman, and the son they had. He hadnt seen them in something like 10 years. The possibility was that maybe they would get married. It would be fairly expected that, when he first arrived, there would have been some big social gatherings- the guy has travelled around the world to get here, and may be marrying this woman- you wouldnt expect them to just sit in the apartment- you would have plans to go out with people, usually for first several nights.
I am not sure we are getting the whole story yet. One or two more confirmed cases, and the public will panic.
Did they go to any restaurants? Unlikely. With end-of-month approaching EBT cards probably maxed out.
The family is not in a "gated community" unless that is the new term for a CIA safe house. Either that or in a NIH isolation ward somewhere. Can you even imagine the liability if someone gave them a place to stay and the neighbors got infected?
They are in a gated community. Here's the local news story:
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/dallas-county/2014/10/03/ebola-clea...
Lot of insight in this post.
I would not wish it on you, but I wish someone like you was in the driver's seat on this. I'll tell you what is missing here...giving a shit.
Don't get me wrong, people give a shit because they will get in trouble. People give a shit because of the response of "the public." They might even be worried about getting sick, or their loved ones. I am sitting over here with too much work to do, behind my little key board, and I take breaks to check in and get my head, for a minute, away from my work so that I can go back at it fresh. I really care about what is happening. I don't have a sense the people in charge care like I do. I am not special. Lots of people here care. But everyone in charge seems to just be aware of the limits of their particular job and no more. They don't think about a bigger picture because it is not their job.
Talk about something meaningful. Talk about taking on a project that could be the calling of a lifetime. Talk about an opportunity to "step up to bat." I am on a committee for something right now, I am watching a young man who is our committee head. He is worried about getting it right because he "wants it right." Not because he will get in trouble if it is wrong, but because it is the right thing to do. He has done way more work than he needs to on the project. It is wonderful to watch. And this kid makes me want to do my job well. The rest of our committee is "stepping up to bat." All of us. There is a spirit intrinsic to the task of the committee AND the young man's leadership brings that is just a touch fun and inspiring.
There is nothing like that, that I can see, going on in Dallas.
Someone like you, you probably know Cougar, Miffed, all would bring different leadership styles, knowledge, experience, and other qualities to the mix.
This display from Dallas is medicore JIT, autopilot medicine and thinking. You can't tell me you were hunting down all the contacts when the step daughter hears he has Ebola from the TV and she helped bring him in to the ER and they just told her they admitted him and sent them home. The mediocrity, the lack of forethought, damn folks, you are killing me. And maybe all of us if it gets out of hand.
I love your posts, you know this. My avatar would have a lesbian thing with Marcia at the drop of a panty! Just so you know I saw your other post before you erased it!
Thanks,mscreant. Rule 34 on the avatar sex.
We have been participating in zh comments for something like 5 years.
What has become clearer as those 5 years went on, is that zero hedge is one of only a few sources of real news. Besides ZH, you have Alex jones, wacky shit there, but some good stuff, and then, at times, the B page at 4chan, where you can get stolen starlet iPhone pics,but also whatever the best hackers can put up. Other than that, there just isn't any true investigative journalism being done. Basically Seymour hersh has busted every good story in past 40 years.
What has happened to reporters that actually dig into a story, and have the power of a new organisation backing them?
It is gone. You look back to very young dan rather and David halberstam reported from Saigon in mid sixties. They found stories, they confronted generals. They were detectives.
How do you find out what the US is truly thinking about EBOLA?
You go their health conferences or presentations that are open to public, and you meet these people, and you ask them. You take the info they present, and you follow it to sources. 160k hazmat suits? Quarantine plans, they have them- what are the details? They would have quarantine units as "hothouse" supplies, prepositioned, prefab units, mobile, on railcars, or airlift. Where are these located?
They will have detailed procedures for triage and quarantine , and even, protocols on how to proceed when resources are ovrrwhelmed. These are written down, and they exist. We should know what they know.
The research team at ZH should be looking for these plans and protocols and locations.
As an example, if we knew they had prepositioned prefab quarantine units, hundreds of them, outside LA and Atlanta, that would be news. Would it be those places because they are major air hubs,or is it something else?
That is the detective work- what are the logistics, where are the supplies?there may not be actionable information based on these types of questions, but that is how it is done. You simply look for the activity, and follow the clues. How many journalists are poring over the government health worker websites, the chat forums? Is there a forum where future deployments come up. Is there a forum where the us military personnel might be talking about their deployment to Liberia? Are there Texas health chat forums?is there going to be a health worker protection gear convention in Vegas this month? Yes, there will be, and I will be there with my attractive Ukranian escort. See you there!
And, the oldest source that works: the CDC people, and others associated with Ebola activity, they have habits that repeat. Groups of them will go out to restaurants and bars after work, and they will drink.
Many of them will have easily discoverable avatars on blogs, where they express themselves freely. Go to it script kiddies, find these people. They aren't as careful as the military side. They brought down general Petraues with email talk. It was kinda cool. If I remember, he was writing emails to his mistress, and saving them as drafts, not sending them. She had access to his drafts, and they would talk that way. They thought if they weren't sent, they couldn't be seen. Wrongo.
Amateur hack scrutiny on CDC would likely reveal gems.
The government doesn't like a fair playing field, does not like it at all. They watch us, we can watch them back. The anonymous group of hackers often takes on projects that benefit social good. Anonymous, take on Ebola and us government. They are anonymous, they do not forgive,they do not forget.
They've got half a million plastic coffins stored in Atlanta.
Actually there are some good sources out there beyond the 4chan:) The UK papers are usually very good, especially DailyMail.co.uk which just now notes this about the homeless guy: Michael Lively (left) who was the first person to ride in the ambulance that carried Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan to Presbyterian Hospital, Texas. It is possible that Lively came into contact with Duncan's Ebola-infected bodily fluids during that ride. Lively, who is not showing any symptoms of the disease, See article here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html
Also one of the best shows to watch is the late afternoon show on Fox News with Neil Cavuto; he has been having great docs on and asking great questions. Really like what he is doing.
The International news shows are also very good: EuroNews and CNN International provide much better, accurate, and informative pieces than do our US news, don't know why...
And then there is this news from the Europeans: Suakoko, Bong County - Health workers at the newly constructed Ebola Treatment Unit (ETU) Wednesday abandoned the center over pay and poor working conditions, leading to the death of two Ebola patients. "The workers decided to stop working because they claimed of not being paid their allowances and lack tools," Dr. Sampson Arzuakoi, head of Bong County Health Team said.
In other words, all those nice American troops being sent like play toys that Oboma believes are his, are probaby building ebola treatment centers for no one at all. They can't find anyone to staff the dam things and there are repeated calls for medical professionals to come and staff them (the international community), so when Oboma says, "Hey, guys, as long as you are there...how bout helping these people out?" What happens then?
Most of the Local Government medical staff in the USA are graduates from 'Historically Black Universities' who can't be let loose on the public performing normal medical tasks. Instead they're just bureaucrats or hand out health leaflets to school kids etc. Now they're landed with a real medical crisis and they're clueless.
Marburg has popped up in Uganda..
http://www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_Wire/2014-10/05/content_33686011.htm
Gotta keep those airlines flying. The economy depends on it.
"CDC Director Frieden warned that "in theory, a sneeze or cough could spread the virus from someone experiencing Ebola symptoms." "
It was fairly clear to myself and others weeks ago that this was the case. One look at the numbers of newly infected people in Africa just for being in proximity of other infected people made it obvious. I suspect it doesn't even take a sneeze or cough to spread.
Too bad the WHO failed to flag this up and tried to play it down to avoid scaring the horses.
Just talking to people you end up with saliva droplets on your face. Sometimes you even feel them. And ebola is in saliva.
Say it, don't spray it.
I want the news not the ebola.
Tenshin Headache/Ginsengbull:
spot on.
Yes, Tom. That would be Mainstream Conspiracy Theory (MCT), in theory.
The busiest people at the CDC, a division of Pfizer, are the HR people as all the staffers are calculating how close to early retirement they are.
Just pass a law banning ebola infestations.
That should fix it.
Yep, only criminals will carry an Ebola
R0 ("R naught") for influenza is 2-3. It also is not a true aerosol; it spreads by droplet transmission and contact with infected surfaces. (re: the NPR link at the bottom)
The market knew from the start that this wasn't a big deal
katrina victims were "all safe" does anyone remember when the victims of 9-11 were gave millions of dollars in compensation? there was a cable show about how the widows of the dead were dining, shoping, and sleeping with young men? I remember. the "first responders" are still milking the system for all its worth. Lets see: military pension, federal pension, second federal pension, and consultant compensation. This country is on a fast track to hell. And, I know pigs read this site. I dont care anymore..............
If the victims sued the airlines there would be no airlines to day. Thats what the money was for, settlement.
Duncan dead?
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/305795#.VDF5jRbrWUn
Not on mainstream news yet??
I am not all Israel paranoid, but this is weird...
They quote Reuters, but I don't see any Reuters story that says he died.
A Nebraska hospital is getting another Ebola patient from Liberia - the NBC Cameraman.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/05/us-health-ebola-usa-nebraska-i...
If you look at the article, you'll notice that the first guy to be treated at that hospital for Ebola, Dr Rick Sacra, was admitted to a Massachusetts hospital with a respiratory infection, however it's "not believed to be a recurrence of the disease".
I wonder who will stay in the room to treat him when they read his patient history?
I haven't seen any other confirmation, either.
'Homeless' man sought, found
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-outbreak-homeless-man-exposed-in-dalla...
CDC 'wouldn't be surprised' if there are secondary cases
Two (three ?) of monitored individuals are retirement home orderlies
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ebola-cdc-20141005-story.html
Given when Duncan fell ill, if there are going to be any secondary cases, we should expect to see them already (90%). Anyone seen any articles on Troh or the others at the 'undisclosed location'?
what they aren't telling you is that infected surfaces stay hot for a long time just like with germs. those maggots better hope to hell they are right about it being contained even while they let sick people into the country every day because otherwise they are going to be blamed with extreme predjudice.
In Texas, they might just hang the maggots.
people in this country will put up with the lying and the looting and all the shit imaginable but if those maggots start killing their loved ones with ebola heads are gonna fucking roll.
Thats why they have .gov checkbooks. Just in case you complain too much or sue. How about a cool million for your loss?
Untill those checkbooks bounce its all contained.
With the general track record of honesty I think it is safe to assume this 'low risk potential patient' was last spotted running naked through a packed night club with explosive bloody diareah and vomit.
Yea, Government sure has a lot of credibility. LOL.
I'm Fox Mulder and "I want to believe"...but ....well, they've lied for so long...
The average human farts 7-10 times/day, coughs 6-8 times/day, sneezes an average of 4 times/week, and belches 4-5 times/day. They're not admitting it now but as the authorities edge toward admitting that, yes, Ebola can be transmitted through the air, some or all of these little daily expulsions become suspect.
Then of course over 70% of white males fail to wash their hands after taking a dump so they go around spreading their goodies on everything they touch ( Produce aisle in the grocery store? Handshaking?) Even people without shit on their hands perspire on the palms of their hands - body fluids anyone?
All I'm saying is that it is beyond silly for the health 'authorities' to assure everyone that unless they sucked the blood of an Ebola victim recently they are going to be a-OK.
There is an old saying in Ebolaland among the little Shepherd Crook people - "Where there's a will, there's a way."
Wiping stats thankfully omitted, but undoubtedly dismal too.
Let me see: Hey Abdul, go to liberia and draw some blood from people dying from Ebola. Now be careful brother or you will be our first suicide bomber. How many suicide bombers are in the que? OK, bring back 100 ml. Abdul returns: Abdul, are you running a fever? No, I think you are, so you just volunteered. Here is the best suicide vest, go to Baghdag, get to the green zone and when you start Hemorrhaging blood and the most people are leaving push the button. Allah'u Akbar
This shit is just too easy. Watch out San Diego, Tucson, El Paso, and Brownsville. If I lived in these USA towns on the border, I would be leaving. As you watch TV and the panic everyone seems to believe this one guy from Liberia has brought to America, can you imagine a suicide bomber in a USA mall?
May Homeland Security Department save America. Holy shit, does Secret Service report into the Homeland Security management? uh oh!
Bearish for going outside.
yes, its time to short outdoors
I wonder what it would be like to get a call from the airline, and be told that you sat in the same seat as some dude who has just been confirmed with ebola. That's 21 days of lost work, at the least, and your dead at the worst. I suppose your entire family would have to be quarantined as well. The airlines really need to reconsider letting anyone from one of these countries on their planes. Duncan was a passenger on 3 flights. He flew from Liberia to Brussels, then DC, and Dallas. The unlucky passengers sitting in those seats after him, and those sitting next to him on those flights should have got the call. I wonder what they think about Frieden's no travel restriction policy?
First of all, they won't notify you because they know you will sue. You and your family will just die not knowing what happened.
Yes, if the airlines were smart they would already be cancelling their flights to Ebola countries. I'm sure it would be a very tiny part of their business lost. Better than being sued out of existence, when a whole plane load of people and their families get sick.
I'm not reading through all of the comments, but read that the homeless guy was found & detained...
Why is that guy still alive? It's the sterno.
The Androbola strain?
91,159 in attendance at Coyboy stadium today. I knew Americans were dumb but that was too generous. Talked to some old friends at their kids B day party and they were confident there is nothing to worry about. Mercans will not panic untill someone important like Kim K gets infected.
Why is/are the experimental drugs not bing given to Duncan?
Almost like they do not want this guy to make it...maybe he knows something..think anout it
http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/10/05/6175659/officials-looking-for-ho...
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