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"Common People Do Not Carry This Much Currency" – How Police Justify Stealing American Citizens' Money

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Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Police confiscating Americans’ hard earned cash, as well as a wide variety of other valuables, without an arrest or conviction is a disturbing and growing practice throughput these United States. Since cops get to keep the seized funds and use the money on pretty much anything they want, the practice is becoming endemic in certain parts of the nation. The theft is often referred to simply as civil forfeiture, or civil asset forfeiture. Incredibly, under civil forfeiture laws your property is incredibly “guilty until you prove it innocent.”

The extent of the problem came to my attention last summer after reading an excellent article by Sarah Stillman in the New Yorker. The article struck such a chord with me, I penned a post highlighting it and addressing the issue, titled: Why You Should Never, Ever Drive Through Tenaha, Texas. That article ended up being one of my most popular posts of 2013.

Fast forward a year, and many mainstream publications have also jumped on the topic. Most notably, the Washington Post published an excellent article last month titled, Stop and Seize, which I strongly suggest reading if you haven’t already.

Fortunately for us all, the issue has also caught the eye of the always hilarious, John Oliver of Last Week Tonight. The following clip from his show is brilliant. Not only is it hilarious, but it will hopefully educate a wider audience about this insidious practice so that it can be stopped once and for all.

As one officer admitted in an affidavit justifying his confiscation of an innocent driver’s cash:

“Common people do not carry this much U.S. currency.”

Enjoy:

 

 

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Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:19 | 5299828 sleigher
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I knew a undercover in SF who would bring the pot home for guys in the neighborhood, bikes for kids that were seized and stuff like that.  They hated me because I would ask them what happened to the family that was stolen from.  Scumbags, all of them!

I laughed when the new police chief disbanded that unit and he had to go back to a beat cop wearing the uniform.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 15:50 | 5300277 August
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>>>Where I live, last time I looked they were still human.

It appears that far too many ZHers still live in or near America's shit-hole "cities".  I lived for years in the US Intermountain West, and the typical LEO was a righteous dude. 

Get out now... if you want to live.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 18:54 | 5301035 Overfed
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The local cops in my neck of FEMA region X are non-union, have merit and education-based pay scales, and from the scant few encounters I've ever had with them, are pretty decent and follow the model of what a peace officer should be.

However, the county cops that had at one time also been fairly decent,   have of late started to look more like soldiers than cops. Same with the cops in a neighboring town. Regular beat cops and sheriff's deputies are wearing tactical gear on patrol in a county that has at most one murder a year.

And nevermind the Feds, I'm far more afraid of them than I am of any drug cartel or terrorist organization that they claim to be protecting me from. Kinda scary.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:06 | 5299771 NeoRandian
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No, they train the humanity out of the pigs. This is why they can tell a person he's fine even as they crush him to death.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:51 | 5300000 juangrande
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One of the intended consequences of the war on drugs. They've been doing this since the late 80's. Like the war on terrorism, the war on drugs was an excuse to take away Constitutional rights.

 

If a gov slogan has "war on" in it, it means a war on the elasticity of your sphincter!

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 21:26 | 5301523 nc551
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but someone should still remind them that ten grand ain't what it used to be

This is how they tighten the noose through inflation, none of the laws are pegged to inflation.  The banks have to report you if you deposit more than $10k... 30 years ago that was the same as $20k.  Everyone gets pushed into the higher tax brackets even though their real income is falling.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:16 | 5299817 daedon
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The cops are only ignorant tools, who are their masters ?

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:50 | 5299314 freewolf7
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Police as pirates.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:52 | 5299321 JRobby
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Police are pirates

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:58 | 5299360 SoilMyselfRotten
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Pirates as police

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:04 | 5299391 darteaus
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Pirates realized it's an easier life to become a cop.

That's how government got started, BTW; raiders realized they didn't need to leave the village after the raid.  Just collect money for protection and party with the farmer's daughter.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 15:59 | 5300336 August
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>>>... raiders realized they didn't need to leave the village after the raid.  Just collect money for protection and party with the farmer's daughter.

That is certainly how European "nobility" got started.

Organize a few dozen armed followers, and suddenly your will is the Will of God... as far as those sheeple in the little huts are concerned.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 16:38 | 5300577 Refuse-Resist
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+1.

 

The cops are just imitating their politician and bankster masters on a smaller scale. 

Monkey see, monkey do.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:50 | 5299320 Ironmaan
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For those of you that missed the 3D gun printer story.
http://guerillatics.com/?p=40228

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:53 | 5299334 Ironmaan
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The other disturbing phenomena are the "no knock" raids that terrorize innocent people more often than the bad guys.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:57 | 5299701 El Vaquero
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A cop in Texas got plugged with a rifle several months ago on one of those and the grand jury no-billed the guy for capital murder.  It was the same cop who argued that it needed to be a no knock raid. 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 18:44 | 5301053 Overfed
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Too bad it doesn't happen at every no-knock raid.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:26 | 5299484 agent default
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You can have a used CNC mini 3axis turning center for $5000 or less if you look around.  You can build pretty much every part you need for any rifle except for the springs and the barrel.  But you can probably use it to build the machines required for the barrel.

Enough with Ghost Gunner sensationalism already. It is crap.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:27 | 5299504 BlindMonkey
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Making a high quality barrel seems to be the hardest part of the whole process.  

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:33 | 5299543 agent default
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Actually the hardest part is heat treatment especially the quenching and tempering of the steel parts.  You can try it at home but the results are usually crap.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:34 | 5299565 Bunghole
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Why make your own barrel?  You can buy AK and AR barrels for under $60 with no FFL involved.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:46 | 5299640 agent default
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Let me tell you something.  That Cody Wilson guy is not your friend he is a first class idiot, who will probably fuck it up for all of us.  Up until now, only receivers are restricted.  If the media pick up on this 3d printer nonsense(which is just useless junk), the law will be changed to demand that the barrel and bold and all pressure loaded parts of the firearm bear serial numbers or a portion of the serial number that matches the receiver(common in many military issue rifles).  That means effectively restricting the sale of spare barrels and bolts, and effectively prohibiting you from rebarreling or seriously customizing your gun in any way, unless you want to go through loads and loads of paper work. 

Thanks to this guy, down the line you will hacve to make the whole barrel and pretty much your own gun.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:59 | 5299725 RafterManFMJ
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Like you, I blame the person who isn't doing anything illegal rather than the treasonous pieces of shit that pass the laws that encumber us and those who gleefully enforce them.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 16:40 | 5300585 agent default
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The thing is that he is just being cheeky and pointing out to everyone how to circumvent a law, that all the rest of us knew is was a non law and it could be ignored pretty easily.  Now he is bringing this fact to the attention of the idiot gun grabbers who did not know enough to figure it out for themselves up until now.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 16:10 | 5300399 AGuy
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"That Cody Wilson guy is not your friend he is a first class idiot, who will probably fuck it up for all of us."

Thumbs up! Cody is like a guy walking through the slums with 100 bills and dime bags taped to him carrying the a big sign that reads "molon labe: Come and take it if you can".

Its only a matter of time before ATF or Federal/State agencies change the rules.

 

 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 22:13 | 5301695 TheReplacement
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Your logic if faulty.  He is not to blame for the tyrants tyranny.  Now wake up and realize who is the real problem.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:49 | 5299656 sleigher
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You say it like that and it takes all the fun out of it. 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:16 | 5299410 Mr. Ed
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Naw... underneath it all, this is about BANK HOLIDAYS.

When they come to steal the cash you've been keeping in the bank, they want to make sure it will actually be IN THE BANK.

To make banks look look like a safe place to keep your money, you gotta have cops runin around stealing cash!

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:17 | 5299439 doctor10
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This kind of crap is why America is "closed for business"; Until there is a Fourth Amendment behind which the law, including the Federal alphabet agencies, are fenced.

Unfortunately, cash is still "king" for many transactions; you want business to flourish, you start printing $500, $1000, and $10K denominations once again. The Fed.gov types will have a hissy -but its the fastest way out from under their jackboot which has created the situation, and the immediate way to recapitalize America overnight.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:54 | 5300015 Spanky
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...you want business to flourish, you start printing $500, $1000, and $10K denominations once again. -- doctor10

Nothing a good dose of inflation can't cure...?

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 20:15 | 5299866 HungryPorkChop
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Have you noticed that cops finding bookoo's amount of cash in average citizens cars started AFTER they put magnetic strips into bills?  It really raises a lot of questions about all of that magnetic ink and magnetic strips being used in all currencies today doesn't it!

Do they have equipment that can detect these magnetic strips in $100's from a distance?  Heck, I have no idea but somehow they seem to be really good at pinpointing, detecting and finding large amounts of cash these days. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/credit-cards-at-risk-from-high-tech-pickpock...

 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 16:19 | 5300448 Lionhearted
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When the top law officer was Eric Holder, are you surprised the cops are crooked? When Obola is the President of the United States spits on "The Rule of Law" , are you surprised when police don't follow it? When the government can take your land and call it "Eminent domain" are you surprised? When your neighbor can vote for a theif to steal your money so they don't have to work, are you suprised? When you wake up one day and you can't even flush your toilet without the government telling you which toilet you can use, are you surprised? The government is the NEW mafia.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 18:26 | 5300997 JLee2027
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Whose that guy that cops have been manhunting for 3 weeks in PA? That's probably what happened to him. Simple traffic stop, they stole his money, so he wacked a couple cops back. I'm surprised it's not happening more often.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 18:46 | 5301063 Overfed
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Give it time.

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 05:57 | 5302258 Hayek FA
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"The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."

Ayn Rand-Atlas Shrugged

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:48 | 5299306 carbonmutant
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Does this work on Bankers?

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:04 | 5299392 Temporalist
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Free Corzine!

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:51 | 5299312 JRobby
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Nothing personal. They just want the money. Thanks.

Assumption is if you have cash lying about you are involved in criminal activity. Guilty before charged or any other due process. Then afterward, spend more money trying to get your $$ back from them.

What if they kick your door in (what warrant?) and you have a bunch of silver and gold coins????

 

 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:53 | 5299338 SumTing Wong
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I don't know what silver and gold coins you are talking about. Those were lost over the side of a canoe one day when I was out taking them for a boat ride so they could get some much-needed vitamin D. And yes, those rifles were out with us. No, I don't know of any secret compartments anywhere. Sure, we can go visit my neighbor's pond. I'll show you the exact place where everything fell over. Damned dog just had to go chase after that fish...

See how easy and nice of a conversation we had, Officer? Decent folk don't just come kicking in doors. 

It also helps to know your local sheriff and live in the middle of nowhere with neighbors who are as batshit crazy as you are. It's easier to go to the nice golf course neighborhood than to try to find anything out on my acreage. Good luck, bitchez!

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:54 | 5299347 Skateboarder
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You would obviously be a drug don carrying around real money.

Common people only operate with digital currency and occassional 20-dollar bills. It's the LAW, sir.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:07 | 5299401 PT
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You've got money???  I know how the economy works -  No way could you have obtained that legally!  It must all be unpaid tax!

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:41 | 5299610 ajax
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REPEAL FATCA

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:03 | 5299750 agent default
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Too late. It's gone global.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:03 | 5299752 told_ya_so
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FATCA just a testing ground for ex-pats and those who have money overseas because they are a soft target. Get prepared for the general roll out across the US so it becomes so much easier to track and take your money. Then you'll really see what Civil Forfeiture looks like. It will also make a SAR look like a charitable donation.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 15:31 | 5300180 ajax
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No. The "soft target" is the American middle class which is constantly being audited and harassed by the IRS. FATCA is another sort of beast altogether.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 16:19 | 5300457 COSMOS
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFpzQscMZ7Y

If you dont know about barry cooper you should watch all his videos

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:33 | 5299374 Dr Strangemember
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Bury that shit in the ground... at night... under a tree so satellite/heat imaging can't view you... and wear a hoodie... and never tell a soul, not even your dog.

 

Yeah, that's right, we citizens can play the Pirate game too!

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:03 | 5299747 Oldwood
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We have little control of the laws and their enforcement, but we can appraise the risk. Don't carry more than you can afford to lose.

I don't know how or if it would work but I have seriously contemplated buying real estate under a false Hispanic identity. Even if it meant I could never sell it due to some technicality, as long as the taxes were paid and it couldn't be traced back to my legal identity, what is the down side? Just another hedge. Its not easy to hide wealth, even as meager as mine is. If they have the power to take your money and your home and car, what are you left with. I have read stories about people who have had all of their assets seized, to the point to where they couldn't even afford bus fair to get home, much less hire an attorney. A home, even if it belongs to Juan Valdez, is better than no home at all.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:02 | 5299379 sleigher
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Just like driving the speed limit with your seat belt on and using turn signals is suspicious behavior.  

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/cindy-lee-westhoven/

Don't keep your hands at 10 and 2 unless you are trying to pass the driver test.

 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:18 | 5299447 PTR
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So what you're saying is, it's down to the "my ass itched when you drove past, that's why" stage, right?   

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:20 | 5299454 pods
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That shit is appalling, but not the least bit surprising.  Cops deserve what they get. 

The Southwest is just like it was a hundred and fifty years ago. Except this time the brigands have badges.

pods

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:43 | 5299617 ajax
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Stand and deliver - your money or your life

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:09 | 5299781 Oldwood
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And shit like this is allowed to prevail, why? because it feeds the divisive monster TPTB has loosed upon us. Cops shooting and robbing innocent citizens as well as thugs murdering cops as well as innocents in cold blood, all prevail on our government supplied media information network. Not that much different than supplying both Palestinians and Israelis in their eternal conflict. They are starting wars everywhere, simultaneously.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 19:28 | 5301173 Atomizer
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The last time I was pulled over was 14 years ago. Crossing Richmond, IN into Ohio. 

Was wearing my seat belt and driving the speed limit. Had a high end go faster car, refused to put a front license plate in the front bumper. Kept my mouth shut and paid the ticket. Never placed the plate on front bumper. South Carolina doesn't require bullshit revenue traffic pullovers. 

When we replated all cars, I removed the front license plates on all cars. Fuck Ohio bitchez. Remember, that was 14 years ago when I was last pulled over. 

 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:03 | 5299382 SumTing Wong
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Yes, having a $100 bill would be a whole lot less likely if those bastards hadn't allowed raging inflation.

In France they have outlawed cash transactions over 700 euros. Uncle Froggy has to have his hand in every possible taxable situation. Bastards come from all walks of life and in all forms of fascist governments. 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:14 | 5299413 Dr Strangemember
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Barter.  Can be done for any amount of value.  And better yet, can't be taxed!  

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:17 | 5299441 SumTing Wong
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I've been known to engage in the underground economy every once in a while. You meet the nicest people this way (and a few real dickheads). But the good people are ones to think about in the future...watching out for one another, working to cut firewood together, remembering to be good neighbors if SHTF...

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:50 | 5299313 Shizzmoney
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"Show me your (green) papers" 

Soon, it will be like in India.  Commit a crime?  Just bribe your way out of it.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:52 | 5299328 Skateboarder
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That only works over there. Here you gotta jump through many more hoops, only to be triply more fucked.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:00 | 5299373 Zhuge Liang
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legal system, lawyers and courts, needs to take a cut.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 21:50 | 5301596 August
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I've never actually bribed anyone, but I believe that the true trick is to know the right amount to offer, neither too little, nor too much.

Offcials in a few countries are really to bribery (e.g. Canada, New Zealand), and you're better off not making any attempts, while other countries allow a more flexible approach (Australia, USA).

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 17:26 | 5300804 dizzyfingers
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"Commit a crime?  Just bribe your way out of it."

 

Isn't that already the way it is?

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:51 | 5299316 buzzsaw99
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yeah, 'cause decent folk is all broke bitchez /s

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:49 | 5299663 ajax
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Always pay cash and leave a nice tip like Snoop:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcqWVX3H87U

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 15:44 | 5304949 JB
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TIL I need to watch The Wire.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:56 | 5299318 JustObserving
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In a fascist, police state, the police can just stop you and take away your cash and you have virtually no chance of getting it back.  Billions have been stolen and yet nothing changes.

Whatever happened to protect and serve? When did it become to rape your privacy and steal?

American shakedown: Police won't charge you, but they'll grab your money


U.S. police are operating a co-ordinated scheme to seize as much of the public’s cash as they can

There’s a shakedown going on in the U.S., and the perps are in uniform.

 

Across America, law enforcement officers — from federal agents to state troopers right down to sheriffs in one-street backwaters — are operating a vast, co-ordinated scheme to grab as much of the public’s cash as they can; “hand over fist,” to use the words of one police trainer.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/news/story/1.2760736

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:58 | 5299361 atomicwasted
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"Protect and serve" was never a thing.  That was always propaganda.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:53 | 5299683 ajax
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"Protect and serve"/ Stand and Deliver

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:08 | 5299403 atomicwasted
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"Protect and serve" was never a thing.  That was always propaganda.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:32 | 5299522 freedogger
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There has to be a crime before police can do anything. In most cases they can't take pre-emptive action. A crime has to have happened before the cops can act. For it to have already happened, there must be a victim that wasn't "protected". Only a citizen can protect themselves and their loved ones.


Tue, 10/07/2014 - 16:11 | 5300396 GeoffreyT
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There has to be a crime before police can do anything.

False.

In most cases they can't take pre-emptive action. 

False.

A crime has to have happened before the cops can act.

False.

For it to have already happened, there must be a victim that wasn't "protected".  

False.

Only a citizen can protect themselves and their loved ones.

False.

 

Maybe you were opining about some idealised world in which there is no such thing as the Arrow Impossibility Theorem, adverse selection, perverse incentives and bureaucratic "mission creep".

Here in the real world anybody with the slightest idea about how the "law" works, knows that "law" enforcement can, and does, undertake pre-emptive action so often that it's routine. When it does, the robed charlatans at all levels of the State's monopoly "justice" system do their jobs (which is to protect the system).

Perhaps you are thinking of the requirement that a warrant (and a grand jury indictment) requires 'probable cause' - whereby those seeking a warrant or indictment must prove (to the level of "a reasonable belief") that a crime has been committed: when it comes to vehicle stops, that door has been slammed shut by Terry v Ohio (392 U.S. 1 [1968]), where the robed charlatans held that a stop is valid so long as there is a reasonable suspicion. That's a much lower bar.

The other point is that all this is totally fucking moot, since the odds are now very low that evidence obtained by an illegal search will be deemed inadmissible. If you look at the exceptions recognised to the doctrine of the 'fruit of the poisonous tree' (Nardone v. United States, 308 U.S. 338 [1939]), you will see holes big enough to drive an 18-wheeler through (on the way to the impound yard). See especially United States v. Leon, 468 U.S. 897 [1984] - the 'good faith exception'.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:53 | 5299330 Kaiser Sousa
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to serve and protect...

how ya'll enjoying all that brainwashing and propaganda u been fed since birth????

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:04 | 5299387 WillyGroper
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I think it was changed to "to sever & project".

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:58 | 5299714 ajax
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Police and Thieves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6FZwVvS8_8

Why don't the handcuffs ever come out on Wall St. anymore? Why?

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:54 | 5299336 JRobby
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Why You Should Never, Ever Drive Through Tenaha, Texas

Childress TX is not too cool either.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:37 | 5299576 Titus
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Forget all of Texas. The south in general is worse than the rest of the country for this type of behavior. Seems like the cops are still miffed that the negros got free...

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:54 | 5299343 ChargingHandle
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Disgusting abuse of the spirit of the law. How in the fuck can this sit okay with anyone? Clearly they pick people out who do not have the means to fight it. Sanctioned theft with no recourse. This sounds like something from Nazi Germany when they would steal from its citizens to aid in the war effort. Terrible law and I am shocked it is being used in our country. 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:05 | 5299396 disabledvet
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Not according to the Psychiatrist who studied the Nazi's at Nuremberg. "No different from your typical American CEO" he opined.

Indeed...the Nazi's were just ardent Nationalists with the "thinnest veneer of religion." Only Rudolph Hess "got the joke." In short "there isn't even atheism here in Nazi Germany!"

For what can be worse than no belief...than a false belief.

Indeed...how does one Blame God other than by being an Atheist?

For the record I follow Eistein "who believed in God just in case." Indeed...was it his friend...or Gid himself?...who gave him "E=mc squared"?

It certainly wasn't anyone but his (first) wife (who did the math!)...as when he discovered his proof "he was dutifully ignored and went back to work as a store clerk."

Otto Hahn "got it" though...

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:32 | 5299427 Oldrepublic
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That Nazi and the Psychiatrist is a very good book. Worth reading

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:30 | 5299530 alfredthered
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Einstein was an ardent Atheist. His references to 'god' in his writings were a reference to the fundamental structure of the physical laws of the universe; 'god' was a metaphor. It is an injustice to call Einstein a man of belief, and it insulting to his legacy to dare state that his insight into the universe was a product of some divine providence. People like you make men and women of scientific thought world wide afraid for the future of the human race. 

Furthermore, the idea of an Atheist blaming god is as silly as the idea of an Atheist blaming Dr. Seuss. Atheists blame ignorance, which prefers blind faith to facts and observation. You're an Atheist too, in some sense. Certainly you don't believe in Thor, or Ra, or Zeus...you and everyone are atheistic to almost every god that man has ever conceived (for he surely conceives all of them). An Atheist is not someone who believes in no god, it someone who believes in one less god than you do. More than that, an Atheist is someone who bases their perception of reality on reality itself, and not the preponderance of what people think reality should be.

The world is real. Open your eyes.

 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:38 | 5299596 bid the soldier...
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I think I agree with Einstein.

But did he believe the universe was created or that it just materialized, 'universum ex machina'? 

 

 

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 00:51 | 5302024 Ward no. 6
Tue, 10/07/2014 - 16:04 | 5300358 Raging Debate
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Alfred - One of Einsteins most famous quotes was "God does not play dice with the universe." This debunks what you just said about him being an ardent athiest. If you spend more time reading his writings you will find he was a pandiest. I study particle physics. I am no expert, its more of a hobby. Anyways, I also am a pandiest. The search for origination will no doubt continue. Maybe if there is a specific god-head, a possible theory is it does not know our collective origination either.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 18:30 | 5300894 psychobilly
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He was at best a pantheist in the vein of Spinoza (i.e., God is nature), not a pandeist.  In other words, he did not view "God" as a separate and distinct supernatural being; much less one that answers prayers, provides an afterlife, or is in any way concerned with or involved in human affairs.  He was certainly an athiest in that respect.  The first poster is correct in that Einstein used "God" as short-hand for the natural laws of the universe.

"It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropomorphic concept which I cannot take seriously. I feel also not able to imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. My views are near to those of Spinoza: admiration for the beauty of and belief in the logical simplicity of the order and harmony which we can grasp humbly and only imperfectly. I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem — the most important of all human problems."

~Einstein in a letter to Murray W. Gross, 1947

"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."

~Einstein in a letter to M. Berkowitz, 1950

"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."

~Einstein in a letter to a Baptist pastor (1953), quoted in Albert Einstein: The Human Side

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

~Einstein in a letter to Eric Gutkind, 1954
 
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

~Einstein in a letter to an athiest (1954), quoted in Albert Einstein: The Human Side

 

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 00:54 | 5302027 Ward no. 6
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I am a deeply religious nonbeliever.... This is a somewhat new kind of religion.

— Letter to Hans Muehsam March 30, 1954; Einstein Archive 38-434

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:09 | 5299779 ajax
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Albert Einstein a "store clerk"? Hardly. He worked at the Swiss Patent Office in Bern, Switzerland:

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/capital-ideas--made-in-bern/12824 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:41 | 5299952 ajax
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Link won't work, copyright issues?

Capital ideas, made in Bern   Dale Bechtel in Bern

05.56.2014

A poor unemployed foreigner in his early 20s, Albert Einstein came to the Swiss capital more than a century ago. Within a few years, he would turn the universe on its head with his concepts on theoretical physics.

Einstein couldn't keep still. He changed Bern residences on average once a year during the seven years he lived in the Swiss capital.

The Einstein House at Kramgasse 49 in Bern's well-preserved old town is where he lived from 1903 to 1905. It is a small museum and memorial to the physicist who has been called the greatest man of the 20th century.

In reality, the house is a rather modest two-room apartment. "Here we are in the living room. It probably served Einstein as a study as well," explains Barbara Bürki of the Einstein House.

"It's a rather large room so there was a big table in here and a nice clock on the wall. This is probably where life took place during the day." And it was when Einstein lived on Kramgasse in 1905 that he formulated his groundbreaking theories.

It was considered the miracle year. "1905 really marks the beginning of a brilliant career. He wrote the paper for which he would get the Nobel Prize later on – the light quantum hypothesis," Bürki says.

"He also wrote a paper on Brownian motion, another paper which became his doctoral dissertation – both of them on atoms and molecules. Then he worked on the special theory of relativity. Of course as we look at it nowadays, this was the most fundamental of the 1905 papers."

Living in Bern

The Einstein House attracts thousands of tourists every year wanting a brief glimpse into the life of the man whose theories were light years ahead of their time. But besides a few pictures, documents and sticks of furniture there is little to illuminate the human side of the great physicist.

 

Bürki took me on a tour of the city to bring the Einstein years in Bern to life.

I met her the following morning at the Café Bollwerk near the railway station – now an Italian restaurant. Einstein used to come here during lunch or after work with friends and some of his students. Now a picture and plaque hang in a corner in memory of the café's most famous patron.

The café is just around the corner from the building that housed the Swiss Patent Office when Einstein worked as an examiner during his years in Bern. In his early 20s, it was the budding physicist's first job, and a secure one at that. He worked eight hours a day, six days a week, and somehow found time for his young family and his theories.

Theoretical physics

"When he looked back on his years in Bern, he said some of his brightest ideas had come into being at the patent office. And he had his desk with a drawer, and he once had a visitor, and he opened the drawer and said this is my office of theoretical physics."

No one knows exactly where Einstein would write down his groundbreaking equations. I can imagine him scribbling away at his patent office desk when nobody was looking...or on a crumpled piece of paper while standing in the shelter of Bern's covered arcades as he walked home in the evening...Einstein probably never knew when genius was going to strike.

Einstein was young, modest – he cared little for his outward appearances – and most importantly, he was ahead of his time and not afraid to say so.

Bottling emotions

"Einstein writes to him, 'you're invited to come and see us, meaning him and his wife, at Kramgasse 49 on the second floor and we will receive you with cheerfulness and good humour and the rest of our emotions'. And he adds in brackets, 'we keep these things stored in bottling jars for special occasions such as this'."

But it wasn't only his friends and theories that helped make the seven years in Bern the happiest in his life, as Einstein described the period. He married and started a family here. Barbara Bürki says he was a loving husband and father, who used to build his son working cable railways out of matchboxes.

Bürki is still searching the city where Einstein and Mileva Mari, before they were married, used to meet secretly.

"She lived at Bubenbergstrasse 3 and they had a meeting place, and they called it the 'little tower' and I don't know exactly where the little tower was but I like to stroll through Bern thinking well maybe this was the little tower where Einstein and Mileva used to meet."

Back at the Einstein House at Kramgasse 49, a visitor from Britain is not interested in Einstein the family man, or physicist for that matter, but Einstein the philosopher:

"Some of the quotes he made were absolutely extraordinary. We were just discussing the one there – 'blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth'. It's absolutely extraordinary."

Key facts

Albert Einstein was born in Ulm, Germany, on March 14, 1879. His family moved shortly afterwards to Munich, then to Italy and finally to Switzerland.

He continued his education in Aarau and in 1896 he entered Zurich's Federal Institute of Technology to train as a maths and physics teacher.

In 1901 he became a Swiss citizen and a year later began working at Bern's Patent Office.

In 1905 he produced five groundbreaking papers on theoretical physics.

In 1909 he took up a teaching position in Zurich and moved on to Prague in 1911.

Einstein died on April 18, 1955 in Princeton, New Jersey.

In brief

The Einstein House is the best starting point for a tour of Einstein's Bern. Among the displays are the addresses and pictures of Einstein's other residences in the city.

The Café Bollwerk, also called the L'Aragosta, is located at the corner of Bollwerk and Aarbergergasse on the east side of the railway station.

The former Swiss Patent Office, now a Swisscom building, is found at the corner of Speichergasse and Genfergasse.

The current patent office, now the Federal Institute of Intellectual Property, is on the street named after Einstein in the leafy Kirchenfeld neighbourhood.

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 04:29 | 5302208 COSMOS
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Word is that Einstein stole from David Hilbert who actually published first.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0610154.pdf

 

At Nov 11, 1915 Einstein still submits incorrect field-equat ions (2) of General Relativity, lacking the trace term, to Preußische Akademie der Wissenschaften zu Berlin [1] . At Nov 20, for the first time, David Hilbert submits the correct equations (5c) to Gesellschaft der Wissenschaften zu G ?ottingen [2] . Einstein, 5 days later, now also submits the correct equati ons (7) at Berlin [3] , but without citing Hilbert, although with a postcard [4] dated Nov 18, Einstein acknowledges receipt of a postcard from Hilbert (probably dated Nov 16) containing fi eld equations for General Relativity. Hilbert’s postcard is lost. Most physicist, including those working on General Relativ ity, either have no definite opinion or they believe that General Relativity was the creation of Ein stein alone. Only a few, interested in history of science, believed that Hilbert has first publishe d the correct equations, and Einstein 5 days later, either independently or through the influence of Hilbert, arrived also at the correct equations.
Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:55 | 5299346 Bumbu Sauce
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Pain is the only thing that will change this.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:56 | 5299349 SheepDog-One
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No different than the dark ages where bands of the kings guard just went around searching and robbing 'the commoners' of whatever they had. They tried to make swords illegal for commoners to aquifers and keep, but at least we've got 3D printers.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:56 | 5299353 disabledvet
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The US Marshal's are not much of an Army.

The Supremes might want to start taking charge of the Justice System here..before things get out of hand.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:32 | 5299537 Clark Bent
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I think they are too busy making it a crime to refuse to make a cake at a fag "wedding." Sculpting a new culture of mindless obedience to State is all the rage. Wonder what the courts will say when the first wrongful death suit is filed against the feds for trafficking significant populations of diseased foreign nationals into the country for dispersal without medical evaluations. 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:41 | 5299609 Titus
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Yeah, reminds me of the effiminate upper class society in The Hunger Games. Hard to believe that flick got greenlighted, it's closer to the truth than most realize.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:59 | 5300036 JRobby
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"The Supremes"???????

Thanks for a good belly laugh

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:56 | 5299355 the not so migh...
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just think outside the box , print up some Goldman Sacs or Federal Reserve business cards, the cops will shit in their paints worried you might take out their whole generaton. 

 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:57 | 5299357 Raoul_Luke
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Unless there is a law on the books limiting how much cash a "common person" can carry, this practice would presumably be Unconstitutional.  And seemingly in direct violation of the Fifth Amendment in the way it's being carried out.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:25 | 5299481 pods
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And that is the rub.  

Makes you wonder if we are functioning under the constitution at all?

Guess it is back down the rabbit hole of "Without prejudice, UCC 1-308" I go.

pods

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:00 | 5299732 sleigher
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Write it on to your DL so they cannot say you never said it or preserved your rights.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:08 | 5299776 Civilizedworm
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Actually we aren't. Look up the united states of america in any reputable law dictionary. There are three such things as the United States of America, one being the thing that George Washington in his crew set up, another (UNITED STATES OF AMERICA) being a corporation, and I don't even remember what the third one is. Of the three, one is binded to the constitution, the other two entities are not. Now let's all guess which one we live in now...we keep fighting for the second fourth and first ammendment but they don't exist. That is part of the constitution of a long defunct entity. 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:51 | 5300006 pods
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I've been waaaay down that rabbit hole already.

The constitution is not voided, it simply isnt being used.  You sign away your rights by accepting the benefits of the 14th amendment trust and using the currency (being able to discharge debts instead of pay them.)

You cannot just reserve your rights under UCC 1-308 and keep accepting the benfits of the trust. So you can do that, but you also have to try and undo as much of your benefits as you can.

And never, ever contract with them.  (when you "plead" in court you are both accepting the rules and pleading under those rules, which means you have waived rights)

pods

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 16:40 | 5300453 sleigher
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" try and undo as much of your benefits as you can."

I have seen some of these processes for undoing benefits and unregistering to vote but I have not seen any where people have been successful.

Doesn't it all start with the birth cert?  It is a bond, but your parents signed it not you.  So how can you be complelled to perform?  Isn't that what ucc1-308 is all about?  Reserving your right not to be comelled to perform under contracts you aren't a party to?

The currency still has a treasury stamp too.  USC 12 411 says they can still be redeemed for lawful money at a federal reserve bank.

"They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank."

 

(all in hopes of gaining more insight into this.  Seems most know nothing about this stuff.)

 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:38 | 5299588 Clark Bent
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You are probably not permtited to bring that argument as this is a "civil" action and your property has no Constitutional rights. The authorities are not required to prove their right to the property, you have to prove your right to keep it, at your expense, while the bank is dunning you for not paying the note on the seized house and you are paying for a hotel room and riding the bus. God thing the Supremes have declared we have no economic rights to preserve. Everything you have earned is only yours at the indulgence of the all righteous government. Just ask Obama voters, they are entitled to your stuff becuase it all belongs to us all in common. From each according to his abilities and to each according to his needs. Fairness. Joy.  

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:00 | 5299734 ATM
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presumably?

The rights are all mine except for the very few that were granted to the government. The constitution lays out all th epowers that government has. It doesn't give the poeple anything but a limited government. It doesnt ive the government th epower to take my shit whenever it wants.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:58 | 5299363 Budd aka Sidewinder
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What do you mean 'common people'?

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:32 | 5299545 SheepDog-One
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Not Goldman Sachs/Goldman Sachs buttboy.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:58 | 5299364 vyeung
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the DC fascists have finally let the gestapo loose. Bye bye personal wealth. Nazi Germany all over again. Project paper clip haunting the US finally. Get your wealth out of the country people, this isn't going to end well.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:09 | 5299411 SmallerGovNow2
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what country would you recommend taking it to?  Venezuela or Argentina perhaps?

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:38 | 5299592 Bunghole
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That $15 can of Coke in Venezuala will make your fiat go poof.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 15:00 | 5300049 JRobby
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Finally?

 

OK Rip.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 12:59 | 5299370 Spungo
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Solution: post home addresses of officers, attournies, and politicians directly involved in these armed robberies. The problem will eventually fix itself.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:07 | 5299400 sleigher
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It isn't that hard to track down personal residences of attorneys or cops or any of the gang.  A little patience, and sometimes you can track the info online without ever leaving the house.

 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:27 | 5299497 pods
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Having a GoPro or two (second one hidden) running in your car helps.  

"This interaction may be recorded for quality assurance and other purposes."

pods

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:51 | 5299670 Titus
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Got a better idea/system for setting up cameras in a car besides gopro? I'd like to do this but I have no idea how.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 14:41 | 5309875 Titus
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thx!

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:07 | 5299768 chubbar
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I naively wrote to my senator a couple of years back about the unfairness of this law. She (Kelly Ayotte, NH (R)) wrote back that she fully supported it because drug dealers carried around a lot of cash, like that makes any fucking difference to those of us who aren't drug dealers. In other words, they are ALL in on this scam.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:02 | 5299377 Dr. Engali
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This guy is hillarious.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:08 | 5299408 SmallerGovNow2
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Yes but the subject matter is sick Doc...

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:01 | 5299378 darteaus
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If you have cash, you are a criminal - period.

Everyone knows that serfs aren't allowed cash.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:14 | 5299429 Space Animatoltipap
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Paper money is an effect of counterfeiting. Pretty schizo but they have a point ...

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:26 | 5299498 PTR
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Shh.  You're giving away the plan.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:02 | 5299383 D-liverSil-ver
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At what monetary amount does "legal" tender become illegal?

I always keep at least $500 in my BOB in my trunk.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:16 | 5299436 Emergency Ward
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...let's see, $500, terrorist, arms dealer or drug dealer?  DOJ/FBI and the local LEA will determine that after they grab the loot.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:02 | 5299384 1stepcloser
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Yep Oliver is looking to get breitbarted

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:03 | 5299388 Otto Zitte
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Incentivize crime to justify total State power. Got it.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:11 | 5299414 disabledvet
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"Battle of Antietam" and a President who demands only war.

Still don't get General Lee's strategy though. He courage of the South is overwhelming however. They had...well, nothing.

McClellan was clearly a great General. So was "the lunatic" Sherman. I think "US Grant" carried the greatest burden though. Think he wanted that Third Term...

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:04 | 5299390 XqWretch
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Steal that FIAT while it is still worth something!

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:05 | 5299394 Againstthelie
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I didn't read the linked articles, but police in USA can confiscate money from people without court order, just on their own how they deem? Can't believe that to be true.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:09 | 5299409 oddjob
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Believe it.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:13 | 5299424 disabledvet
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"Beware the Lawgiver." Native American warning.

"And who you steal from." They might be...armed and dangerous.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:11 | 5299420 Emergency Ward
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Sadly, it's true.  They can grab your house or your car, too.  Proof of guilt is not required and the burden is on the victim to recover the seized property or cash.  Plenty of articles come up on a search.  The FBI and the DOJ actually brag about it on their web sites.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:38 | 5299594 Againstthelie
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Oh sh.t! I should have watched the video first.

Incredible.

Case USA gainst a house?! USA against $8.500?! Wow!

The total Jewification of a system!

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:09 | 5299786 NeoRandian
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Jews don't recognize human beings, they only recognize the law and their manipulation of it. The law exists for its own sake, not for human beings. And bringing cases against objects as if they were human beings is just the absolute fulfillment of this terrible worldview.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 15:26 | 5300093 Againstthelie
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I would not say they don't recognize human beings because according to this admired "religion" only Jews are humans.

And also the law doesn't exist for it's own sake. It exists, but it exists in a way non-Jews do not understand. Allother cultures and religions perceive and invent (religious) laws according to their intention.

For example: You shall not lie. The meaning is clear.

In Judaism it's also valid, but only for humans (=Jews). Therefore Lying to non-Jews is no breaking of the law.

 

Jews view laws differently. It's not the MEANING, the sense of the law it wants to express that counts, it's only the formalism that counts. Which can be probably understood best, by learning about their DISPUTATIONES (discussions, how a (religious) law could be avoided to be broken).

For example let's take the law, that labor is not allowed on sabbath.

Every other people in the world understands what it means - and then religious leaders define exeptions, where the clear INTENTION of the law conflicts with reality, but could be accepted.

The Jewish character of a solution looks like the following:

I.e. a farmer with cows. Since labor is not allowed, but the cow needs to be milked, how does the Jewish solution look like?

Well, what if a person just puts a bucket under the cow. And then goes to the Synagogue? It's not labor.

Then another person comes and just milks the cow. Is it this person's fault, that a bucket iss standing there? No! He also doesn't work.

And then a third person discovers the bucket with milk and carries it away. Is it this persons fault, that there is a bucket with milk? No!

That's no joke!

That's what jewish DISPUTATIONES are about and that's what Jews in Talmudic schools learn to do (eight or ten hours a day). While the goyim, they are living among, learn that lying is lying and that being honest and upright is necessary for a functioning community!

That's how Jewish culture sees laws - in the eyes of all other nations it are just excuses that allow to break the intention of the law - but according to Judaism that's the correct and upright behaviour.

And then the uneducated goyim, having no clue about Judaism, believe, that it's random, that i.e. Jews are the most successful laywers in a Jewified system...

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 14:39 | 5299938 Squiddly Diddly
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Oh, Ye of little faith.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 17:40 | 5300860 paulbain
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AgainstTheLie wrote:

I didn't read the linked articles, but police in USA can confiscate money from people without court order, just on their own how they deem? Can't believe that to be true.

AgainstTheLie, you had better believe it.  The Washinton Post ran a series of articles on this so-called "highway interdiction" just last month.  I found it hard to believe, too, but, after reading some of the articles, found the whole thing at once alarming and depressing.  How the Fourth Amendment has fallen!!

Here are the WP articles:

https://www.google.com/search?as_q=&as_epq=highway+interdiction&as_oq=&a...

 

-- Paul D. Bain

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Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:08 | 5299404 VWAndy
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They have been going feral at a steady pace from the start of the war on drugs. The sadest part is the practice is not rouge but incouraged. It is starting to be sop for revenue at the local gov level. Any excuse to get more money because thats all that matters to a sellout.

As this systems goes under they will go completely feral. Its a good thing they have no use for all my tools.The tools have very little resale value and these people wouldnt know what to do with them. Thats kind of why they took the gov gig anyway. The funny part is if the really wanted to bring in more revenue the could round up the FIRE sector ane get back all the money lost or stolen by the biggest thieves ever to walk the planet.

 If these tools had done thier jobs right we would not be in this mess in the first place.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:22 | 5299466 PT
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If this is their new sop then what kind of people are being recruited into the force?

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:29 | 5299510 VWAndy
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People with 0 marketable skills. They have no other options. Think they can make that kind of money doing real honest work?

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:32 | 5299538 oddjob
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unstable roid monkeys.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 16:46 | 5300628 Refuse-Resist
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Other forms of stealing:

 

speed traps on underposted or ill-marked roads

'safety' checkpoints

 

It's all bullshit.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:11 | 5299422 Raging Debate
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I got divorced a year or so back. Took $20k cash, left the ex the same in our joint bank account, plus the home with $60k in equity. The kids were grown and I was generous so the divorce went quick and smooth. Anyways, I left Maine with the cash, drove to Florida to start a new life.
I can only imagine if I had been stopped and this cash confiscated by civil forfeiture.

It would have left me literally homeless while I tried to get an attorney to work on contingency to get it back.

The police state is the biggest detriment to regaining confidence in the US. Nearly every guy on the street knows the politicians are crooked so endless taxing by fine at the local and state level is really pissing a lot of good folks off that would invest back into the country. I am one of those. I invest but not nearly what I could and won't until this shit stops.

I miss Sanford Maine because when the hard times hit the town raised revenue by recycling and a few other programs which didnt't bother the townspeople. The city manager cut a portion of the force and I helped them with some software to increase patrolling efficiency. I volunteered this because those cops protected and served. The city manager did his job and I did mine as a citizen. Unfortunately, lazy sociopaths litter the landscape of this country, this town I lived in was an exception to the norm.

Last month I heard a survey of the least stressful state to the most stressful one. Maine was the least stressful and Florida the most. When I got here I got pulled over for seven miles over in 50 mph zone. I told the cop I hadnt had a ticket in 23 years. He cut me a break but I did not have insurance, it had lapsed during the divorce. It was a mistake but it was my bad.

What happens here if you get caught with no insurance here is $250 fine and license revocation. Also, you need an SR-22 for two years after, like a drunk. My insurance that was $80 a month was now $190 and I had to pay six months in advance. I could afford it, but a lot of people down here make $10 an hour. So total fine including insurance, reinstatement and fine was over $2,500.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 17:07 | 5300726 Oldwood
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What I try to explain to people is the importance of staying clear of that line. The line of no return. When you have no savings and nothing to sustain you the system will suck you down the drain and do everything in its power to keep you down. I have had employees on parole, and the shit they go through to just keep out of jail is amazing. Yes, they were dumb asses, but their real crime was that they had not the wealth to defend themselves. This world, this economy makes it hard to acquire that level of wealth that actually gives you freedom. Its not an absolute amount of money, but I attempt to live my life by taking risks that I can afford to lose. When you don't have insurance, make damned sure you obey every law to the letter. As you say, if you don't it will cost a pretty penny and if you don't have the money, all kinds of other things start to fall in on you. The cost of our dependency on this system is our freedom. If you lose your car, you may well lose your job if you can't get to work. If you lose your job you will likely find yourself homeless. Of course the social safety net is waiting to hold you in its warm glow, only at the expense of what remains of your soul. The system is and always has been about eating the weak. Evolution. Survival of the fittest. The system of government we have today is all that and more. Those who want to rule us are using all tools at their disposal to make sure we feel the boot on our neck, and those of us who resist will either rot in jail or pay through the nose in participation fees (taxes). Its a brave, but not so new, world.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 22:04 | 5301659 LithiumWarsWAKEUP
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when is the last time you checked your tail lights on your vehicle to see if they were working properly? When???   Tag light working? Turn signals?? Trust that 'THEY' will pull you over for anything if they suspect anything or are bored and just want to check you out.

    Good truck drivers check every day, often two, three times a day if all lights are working on the big rigs 'cause they are Revenue Generators for state D.O.T.'s.  I see several cars every day, with non working lights in the cars, and trucks every day that lost the bulb that day and not only have one headlite at dusk. Happens every, every day. Gotta be smart when you're doing nothing wrong, and especially if you're doing something wrong. 'Don't be stupid if you're doing something stupid'. Stop behind the Stop sign. STOP...don't roll....STOP. Behind it. Stop...then go. Don't give 'em a reason to stop you.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:13 | 5299423 Pumpkin
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The one word that puts more fear into the luciferian, treasonous government is 'innocent'.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:12 | 5299425 Space Animatoltipap
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The Animal Farm has many slaves.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:13 | 5299426 Duc888
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Land of "the free".

 

Indeed.

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:14 | 5299434 Duc888
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Oh, wait, the drug sniffing dogs got a hit on your cash.  Guess what, there is reasonable suspicion that you are a drug dealer.

 

You're money?

 

"Poof, it's gone".

 

Tue, 10/07/2014 - 13:16 | 5299437 luckylogger
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This is very true......

In a little town on the florida east coast the cops stole our car and money. They left us with our beer in the cooler in the middle of the median on the way home from a fishing trip. No charges or anything just took it all. Tried to charge us 200, then 400 then 600 to get the car back. Told them to fuk off and left it with them. It was a rental car. It cost me 900.

Think the town was melrose or something like that.

I felt like I was in Mexico or venezuala or something.

Just unreal they can do this shit.

Thank you for bring this to every bodies attention.

This nees stopped or there will be a lot more you know what......

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