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"Common People Do Not Carry This Much Currency" – How Police Justify Stealing American Citizens' Money
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Police confiscating Americans’ hard earned cash, as well as a wide variety of other valuables, without an arrest or conviction is a disturbing and growing practice throughput these United States. Since cops get to keep the seized funds and use the money on pretty much anything they want, the practice is becoming endemic in certain parts of the nation. The theft is often referred to simply as civil forfeiture, or civil asset forfeiture. Incredibly, under civil forfeiture laws your property is incredibly “guilty until you prove it innocent.”
The extent of the problem came to my attention last summer after reading an excellent article by Sarah Stillman in the New Yorker. The article struck such a chord with me, I penned a post highlighting it and addressing the issue, titled: Why You Should Never, Ever Drive Through Tenaha, Texas. That article ended up being one of my most popular posts of 2013.
Fast forward a year, and many mainstream publications have also jumped on the topic. Most notably, the Washington Post published an excellent article last month titled, Stop and Seize, which I strongly suggest reading if you haven’t already.
Fortunately for us all, the issue has also caught the eye of the always hilarious, John Oliver of Last Week Tonight. The following clip from his show is brilliant. Not only is it hilarious, but it will hopefully educate a wider audience about this insidious practice so that it can be stopped once and for all.
As one officer admitted in an affidavit justifying his confiscation of an innocent driver’s cash:
“Common people do not carry this much U.S. currency.”
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I hate fucking Melrose and I believe your story. They suck over there
Funny, I am down in Mexico, this place still has real highwaymen, much like 18th century England or the 19th century in the US. So modern day highwaymen have returned to the US now dressed in blue!
Cops prefer to "arrest" your wallet rather than tangle with danergous thugs who shoot back.
At least when they're not busy raging on steroids and shooting grandmas.
Highwaymen are on the loose with uniforms and badges preying on travelers. This time they are backed up by the judges.
Everyone has to make a stand to support those who have had their rights violated and their private possessions stolen. When cops start getting photos in the mail of their kids standing at the bus stop, or pics of their wives out shopping. No threat or explanation included.
People can only live on a heightened state of awareness for so long before it starts to take its toll.
This might make the shit stop.
come on---the last thing a cop gives a shit about is the wife he beats up every night after the get together at the watering hole ---I think you don't realize what your dealing with here-- There is nobody that a cop gives a shit about except another cop and their fucking dogs--trust me on this--
You have allowed your country to be lead by a brainless leader.
As long as he remains, you will get more of the same.
You do know that this has been going on for decades, don't you?
John Oliver is hilarious, but listening to the officers in that segment makes me sick…absolutely shows the sorry state of America…which is just the beginning… but what’s more, it shows the abysmal intellect of these “Law Enforcement Officers” representing our legal system. Cops basically admitting to using the system without real cause to fund their personal slush funds...
He is, but his statism/liberalism can be tedious, like when he sets up straw men arguments to attack conservative or libertarian positions. It may be cute and get a laugh, but it also shows the limits of his intelligence and his ability to do 'smart' comedy.
Reducing libertarianism to 'selfishness' is like reducing statist liberalism to theft and dictatorship.
One wonders what pithy term describes the ease with which it is to be generous with the property/liberty of others...
Did Oliver just move here, or what?
Next thing you know, he'll be shocked, shocked!, to find out that cops facilitate, if not outright run, illegal drug operations in every major city, or that they have abandoned most gang controlled areas to the gangs in those same cities, but then they'll stop and harass any black man just driving down the street in the suburbs like Orange County, or that they shoot first in most situations, or that they do not hesitate to beat the shit out of anyone who questions their authority, or that they regularly make over 100k with bogus overtime, or that they retire in their early 50's with huge pensions and outrageous disability payments, or, well, you get the idea.
Should we start a pool on when Oliver's career veers off into the ditch?
"Should we start a pool on when Oliver's career veers off into the ditch?"
More like his car veers off, then blows up!
Retire at 50? You must be joking. They can get out well before that.
Reaching for the light beyond
We will rise through the dark again
Ready to fight for what we believe to be right
Yesterday is dead and gone
Cops are stealing the money for themselves. Every defense attorney knows that the problem is widespread. I've had cops even admit to me that it's going on.
this is symptomatic of the corruption of existing power structures.
it's time to overcome the overbearing operating system.
Normal can be used to justify anything….
“Normal people don’t have more than 1 gun in the house.
“Normal” people throw away unused prescription medication.
“Normal” people don’t have a debt to income ratio like you.
- Your shit is ours.
While we're creating unwritten policy for police departments to engage in forfeitures why don't we privatize prisons and make them for-profit while we're at it. oh wait...
Officialdom knows that, as a law-abiding citizen you are basically powerless to their whims (and they richly Enjoy this privilege)
They have:
- Legal authority to inspect/confiscate/harass, etc., at will
- Armaments - usually superior to the common citizen's
- Authority under color-of-law to kill, with little reason
- Backing from the organizations they belong to and the legal system itself
- More...?
All of which is Excellent!! for them - while society at large bows to and/or maintains their own sense of submission to this abuse of authority, and continues to obey (play along). Every society however - and America is no different, has a limit. Not to say that the lives lost, maimed, broken, displaced, etc., are not exponentially higher than equal justice meeted out in return, it just is the way it is in a generally 'law-abiding' nation. Until a breaking point is reached. The only question that now remains is, what is that breaking point and what (not when) will be the catalyst that 'liberates' the cowed.
"When people lose everything and have nothing else to lose, they Lose It..."
-Gerald Celente
Life in dieing-america will get a lot worse until the enlightened get the balls to take back their country, and I don't mean in the voting booth.
Petitions will save us from Ebola.
Police, acting like brigands towards the populace?
This is nothing new.
This type of police behaviour is ubiquitious in third world countries.
America , is slowly joining that club.
I have traveled extensively around the world and know that what you wrote is staggeringly true - in a majority of countries, the "police" are the uniformed, legal gangsters, who will rob you with impunity while surrounded by "witnesses" who know they better not see or say anything.
In many countries the cops compete for jobs by bidding to the chief how much stolen loot they will pay up the chain of command, same as for the mafia.
I was stopped and robbed or harassed at gunpoint many times in my travels.
In Peru, I was stopped SEVEN times in one afternoon trying to get out of Lima by rogue cops & militia at roadblocks with automatic weapons before I decided I better leave the country before I ended up disappeared.
When the soviet union fell apart, travelling through the former easter european satellite countries was almost the same as travelling through ISIL territory - the police had roadblocks on the autobahns, stopped everybody, and demanded money to let you drive through - dieing america is catching up.
I went to Almaty, Kazakhstan with all the legal documents to get a visa to go to China. I couldn't get into the Consulate without paying the policeman on the gate $50. When I got inside the Consulate they wouldn't accept the perfectly legal paperwork I submitted, I had to pay another $50 dollars so they could provide me with their own fake invitation letter. Then I had to pay another $50 dollars to pick up my passport and visa one week later.
It should be illegal, but when the President, his family and Government are as corrupt as hell then what do you expect. In Kazakhstan everyone wants their 10%, that's how they can afford to buy new 4 x 4 Land Cruisers when their maximum income is between $500 - $1,000 month.
Another example how I was robbed by a cop in Maylasia, at the Kuala Lampur airport:
The rental car return was near the airport arrival ramp, the traffic cops wait at the rental car return until you pull up & they see that you are a foreigner, ie need a passport to leave the country, stop you with the false claim that you have stopped/parked in the prohibited area, demand your passport, which you can go to the police station to reclaim after weeks of strugle - if you are stupid enough to take that path - or just pay $50 USD to the uniformed gangster as an ad hoc departure fee.
I have many, many such true stories.
I learned that if you want a little extra protection when you travel around the world, you must get journalist credentials, including photo ID, which saved me from being taken hostage in a number of situations, but NOTHING wiill help you in any islamic cult worshiping country except being heavily armed and knowing how to use them.
This is why the former eastern / Soviet countries are the krapholes they are. I know of some businesses (IKEA) that gave up trying to expand in those countries because of all the bribes and corruption. A friend from Frankfurt, Germany refers to them all as "Thug-ocracies."
Every cop who makes an unconstitutional stop or seizure of assets or violation of civil liberties should get what every thug, thief, parasite and traitor deserves - street justice.
BOOM! NAILED IT!!!
Street Justice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykdn6RWqEYQ
Wait till they start taking hostages, they call it kidnapping, but they will devise a new name for it and it will cost a lot to have you released or they send you to Gitmo.
Don't think it will happen, wait....
absolutely will happen---it will be the kid--probably the daughter--with all kinds of threats like "we can't protect her in prison" kind of story---so you'll pay quicker--
Law Enforcement... LOL
I remember reading about Nazi forfeiture laws in Germany. It started out the same way.Welcome to the new and improved fascist ussa.
Seig Heil comrades...
Hows ths one...
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/no-criminal-charges-be-filed-raid-injured-toddler-/nhczX/
Bounkham Phonesavah, affectionately known as "Baby Boo Boo," spent weeks in a burn unit after a SWAT team's flash grenade exploded near his face. The toddler was just 19-months-old and asleep in the early morning hours of May 28. SWAT officers threw the device into his home while executing a search warrant for a drug suspect.
In their 15-page presentment, the grand jury found no cause for criminal charges against the any deputies involved in the botched SWAT raid. but they had plenty to say about the investigation.
The jury called it “sloppy and hurried” and “not in accordance with best practices.” The grand jury said while they want law enforcement to pursue drug dealers “the zeal to hold them accountable must not override cautious and patient judgment.”
Agents of the state behave like this because the citizens are too stupid to vote for people who say they will end it.
they all say they will create a wonderful state for us. obama promised everything.
Agents of the state behave like this because the citizens are too stupid to vote for people who say they will end it.
they are REALLY stupid when they vote them a second term, when all they did was advance the pain we all feel.
they have to vote for people who show they are ending it.
SHEESH!!!!
The ANARCHISTS are coming outta the woodwork here!
They've said ZH is an anarchist web site - I pooh-poohed that criticism. Maybe they were right, though. I don't think I belong here.
Gettin' way too wierd...
Correct shouldn't you be " Serving and Protecting " the shit out of somebody?
Anarchist means doesn't believe in rulers.
Not chaos.
Demagoguery fail.
Who's they?--- fuck you and be gone!
Ariana (huffington) is that you??
I'm not an anarchist. I'm essentially a Left Libertarian or Liberaltarian - there's a big handful of us here, but I am willing to take seriously the ideas of other people here who have a different take (which is probably most who are close to minarchy - I believe the state should provide rigorous education and some safety nets as a practical matter of national interest rather than an 'ethics'. Most here probably don't and the majority can quite intelligently and respectfully disagree.
Oh and there is more free speech here than just about anywhere.
But what most of us, broadly libertarian-minded people have in common is not respecting the 2 party system or left/right paradigm, and seeing political issues not really as left right but as government versus constitution and/or individual freedom.
Why can't you?
Get thee to Daily Kos...
"You want money?? What kind of terrorists are you?"
"Who said we were terrorists?"
Seriously, when is someone going to finally have enough and pop a cap in one of these pigs?
Soon, Meat Hammer, soon, be patience. and when it happen and the riots near atlanta meant nothing.
I'm thankful I'm one of those piss poor people they feel sorry for. I was driving through Kansas in the early morning hours in July--had my two daughters sleeping in the backseat. I was trying to make time to Ohio on interstate 70, about 20 miles east of of Colorado (one of two states with legalized marijuana--how convenient). I had no idea why the cop stopped me, but as soon as he saw my Thai husband I think he knew he made a mistake. Interrogated me inside his car for a few minutes, I told him I was going to my father's funeral, told him my husband was a Thai national but was a green card holder. He was looking at paperwork city and I didn't have anything for him to take. He let me go quickly. I had to ask what he'd stopped me for. "78." he said (In a 75 MPH zone). Guaranteed the cop was hoping I was some dumbass out of stater that had scored MJ from Colorado that I was planning on transporting to my home state--then he coulda taken my car, my cash, put my kids in CPS...the power they have to destroy someone's life for their own benefit is just breath taking...
So, let me get this straight....
1.) If you carry cash, they can seize it (because it's clearly criminal to carry cash)
2.) If you move money electronically, it is reported via a SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) so they can keep tabs on where your money goes (for future confiscation)
Can anyone else feel the vicegrips tightening..?? What the fuck is going wrong in this country...?? I don't even recognize this place anymore....
L-E-F-T-I-S-T-S.
S-T-A-T-I-S-T-S.
They come in all flavors, my friend.
Today's 'statists' are in fact leftists.
No conservative would ever accept this fascism of the left and don't even point to 'republicans', most are mirror images of this leftist, communist, fascist government.
+1
spot on.
So you don't think a bunch of ultra "conservative" statists wouldn't be happy to force my children to pray in school, or force teenage girls to wear chastity belts, or wouldn't burn books? Anyone who would abuse the rule of law in order to take away my liberty for whatever purpose, be it a "conservative" or "liberal", right-winger or left-winger, is a statist, regardless of political offiliation.
How about Mrs. Gore and the PMRC?
The point Meat Hammer is that there are plenty of people who call themselves "conservatives" and belong to the relevant political party. But in truth they are not genuine conservatives, hence the earlier comments from headhunt. They are actually lefties and statists in camouflage. In some cases they are more extreme, leaning towards fascism or Marxism etc.
[In the UK the current PM David Cameron claims to be a conservative, belongs to the Conservative Party and has all the right educational background et al. But in truth, he's really a liberal Lefty and persues more government. His Home Secretary ditto]
It's just one of the many deceptions that's endemic in politics nowadays.
I disagree on the semantics, but I definitely agree with your point.
Here's a funny -
Cop Advises Women On How To Stay Safe During Police Stops (UPDATE)"In response to the arrests of three law enforcement officials in Oklahoma for sexually assaulting women while on the job, an Oklahoma Highway Patrol trooper told women they can avoid getting raped by a cop if they simply follow traffic laws."
Ha! Right back to "if you're not guilty, you have nothing to worry about!"
I laughed in the 80s when I pointed out the unconstitutionality of drug and drink laws, then the terrorism laws, and now this.
We, well our parents and grandparents at least, created this monster by not stopping it in its tracks. They doomed us and it has come full circle. Our kids are toast.
Nothing wrong here that couldn't be fixed by hanging a couple of criminal cops. It's illegal regardless what the courts say and the cops know it. Hang a few and this all goes away.
We aren't savages... guillotine for them...
These civil forfeiture laws serve the same purpose as unconstitutional road side checkpoints, this is Social Engineering, in order to create situations which place law enforcement personnel "at odds" with everyday citizens, thereby creating, separating and isolating the two groups. If the two groups can be maintained in a state of perpetual friction, policemen eventually begin to perceive law abiding citizens as adversaries or enemies, rather than the citizens they were trained to protect. The ruling class needs to be sure that the day the masses rise up, their law enforcement minions will obey immoral and illegal orders without questioning.
Our town blocked a portion of the main thoroughfare one Friday allowing organizations to set up tables with community information, etc. They also had a fire truck and the county MRAP. I was inspecting the MRAP for weaknesses (ha, just joking NSA). I think the public is becoming more aware of the situation, but probably not fast enough.
drowning
Everyone knows that all that dirty cash has cocaine all over it from the Wall St/Political/Grifter/Rentier class.
"How many times have I told you not to play with the dirty money?!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Axdv5ehMQ
Run, Eric Frein, run!!!
If you're carrying a bunch of cash just make sure you've got your withdrawal slip(s) with you. Yea, the cops will hesitate if they see those. And if they still take the cash your lawyer will have a field day with them. It's a hell of a world when you have to do some planning to protect your rights but that day has come. I got stopped in Carrollton, Texas with $8,000 on me and the withdrawal slip worked like a charm. I had the cash on me for a trip.
That's the probem. It was in a bank to begin with.
I buy at auctions all the time and always carry several thousand dollars when I'm going to one. I also keep the bank withdrawslips to the rolls of money with rubber bands. Same is true of my house money / emergency / hurricane money. Very smart.
Thanks for the tip!
thanks for advice. it is a very good one. i try to never travel by car, but i do sometimes leave my coin dealer with shiny relics. i'm really serious - you have a great point. i can grab a lawyer, and prove i purchased within a few hours. legally.
Anyone stupid enough to tell a cop the truth deserves to have their money taken. You don't have to answer any questions that the police ask you.
Historical roots of the current corrupted practice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_rem_jurisdiction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deodand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noxal_surrender
I've just begun to hear these stories of cash theft. Un-fucking believable, talk about cops out of control. Once they stop you in your car, you are basically at their mercy. I got stopped years ago for a headlight out on my way home from work at 10:00PM, this was from my after school job. I tried to be polite to these cops, but they came at me right from the get go with aggressive language and manner, they simply did all they could to get me to respond to their abuse. Fucking cunts! They kept me there for half an hour with questions about everything I do or ever did. I was a 26 year old white blond haired Navy Veteran working nights to fund my technical school education. If they went after me like they did, I can't even guess what a latino or black guy would get run through.
Cops shoot, tazer and use chemical sprays to attack people and then claim self defense. It is your word against cop word. And to quote the movie "Blade Runner" When Dekard speaks to the head dective. "You know how it is, if you ain't cop you are little people". Or from the British movie "Red Riding" when one cop threatens the other job over a murder investigation cover up. "I want you to nail Leonard fucking Cole in his grave, or else It Is Very Fucking Cold Out There!"
For comparison -
Last spring we were returning to our home (a neighboring state) from Acapulco. We got snared by a pair of cops for 'not making a left hand turn from a left turn lane'. Trouble was there was a parked car I had to pass on the left.
The cop pulled up besides our car and said 'pull over'. I said - 'ok I'll pull into that gas station up ahead'. So I pulled into the station and gassed up, looked around - no cops. Got back onto the road and there - up about 100 yards - are these cops parked on the side of the road with their trunk open (hiding their tag) - telling us to pull over.
Cop said 'you didn't make a left turn'. Had a piece of cardboard listing 'fines' - 3000 pesos ($230). Give me your credentials. Once I handed him my credentials I was sunk. When it came to pay he said 'careful - there are cameras. Here, put the money in my book (which he handed my wife - and told her to put the money into the book under the dash). We were under time constraints and paid - but in the future we will try to stick by our guns.
Mordida ! More and more it seems the Mexican and US cultures are assimilating.
Don't go through Idaho they try to shake your down for gold/silver/cash/while accusing you of having dope....
Idaho State Police dash cam video of traffic stop at center of profiling lawsuithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfP0piDFVCw
We live in Mexico. Perhaps we have another 10 years left. Some people think we are crazy but we have probably enough money (pesos) here that we should be able to live on it for at least 5 years (and no debt).
I was telling someone yesterday how I try to be extremely honest with the US/IRS when it comes to all these rules/paperwork we are burdened with - but all I can do is hope I am doing everything correctly. It really shouldn't be so difficult that you have to hire a tax accountant for a retired couple to live outside the US.
You watch - I'll bet that in the not too distant future even those in the US will be required to report all of their finnancial holdings every year at tax time in an attempt to cross check what the banks/brokerages are reporting the IRS for the chance of inflicting more penalties.
If someone is running a scam on you why would they admit to something repeatedly that would alert you to that fact? Because they have guns and thugs to enforce their scam. Snopes, as usual, is full of shit.
Paying the IRS is all 100% voluntary and they have admitted this repeatedly. There are many sources from inside the IRS. But that doesn't stop them from using the threat of arrest and imprisonment by armed agents and theft of your assets to convince you and a large portion of the planet otherwise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNICz9CZOgw
http://marcstevens.net/articles/cra-agent-uses-v-word-predicatably-refus...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKePl2gW_3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NeVEJganDU
If you're debt free you should be able to disconnect yourself from the rest of the slave system pretty easily if that's what you want.
It is each individuals choice. Like so many that willingly or passively give their soul and service to satan. And that's why this planet is run by evil criminal satan serving excrement
I want to see you go tell all the people in jail for tax evasion that it is voluntary.
THe Rise of the Praetorian Class
http://thewildernessofmirrors.wordpress.com/tag/praetorian-class/
The Pig Trap. Read it if you haven't seen it.
http://taxicabdepressions.com/?p=1193
America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.
Claire Wolfe, 101 Things to Do ‘Til the Revolution (1996)
That's the first time I read The Pig Trap. Powerful stuff.
I've saved a copy in my email for future reference. Thank you.
wildernessofmirrors: "Officials from both the California Highway Patrol and Chula Vista Fire Department Wednesday responded to an incident that left a firefighter in handcuffs at an accident site in the South Bay."
Unbelievable.
Thanks for that link. Thanks a whole lot.
One of my (many) favorite lines:
"I’ll tell you what I believe… I believe the shooting would have already started. It’s not that I want something terrible to happen, it’s that I am positively astonished that something terrible hasn’t already happened."
Backlash will be a bitch.
+1 more. Thanks for the Link to the taxicandepressions essay The Pig Trap. It's one of the most honest and moving essays I've ever read. And so well written.....
Just makes my point; NEVER keep anything of value in the USSA. I've been saying it for years and people tell me I'm paranoid. Really? When Chalky and his ilk get through with Amerika, all that is left is unindicted felons.
www.traderzoo.mobi
I always carry lots of cash to bribe policemen but now they are too impatient to be bribed and simply direct debit
Land of the fee, home of the slave. Good luck, you'll need it.
Did anyone read the whole piece in the New Yorker? A really well written, balanced piece. It's the old 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions,' and is the promise of security worth the loss of Constitutional rights.
Could you please not use John Olive as the champion of this? He is totally for the confiscation of property for taxes.
He's a complete douchenozzle when it comes to AGW, too. But his piece on drones was excellent.
No one's perfect it seems.
And if somebody shoots a cop like that fellow in Pennsylvania they have NO idea why. The cop lived in the same subdivision as the one he wounded. What do you want to bet they'd has sone 'interaction'?
What if there were 500 Eric Freins? I’d venture to guess nobody would be caught.
What do you want to bet the backstory is the cop ripped him off, raped his wife and kids, etc so he got mad?
I thought plunder was illegal.
It is another legacy of Reagan.
Theft by any other name
Canada has warned its citizens not to carry cash in the US.
Not sure the farce can get any more obvious.
This is exactly why they wrote the fourth amendment.
Military "heroes," I'm holding my breath for you to remember your oaths.
Here you go. You don't have any fucking freedom even to carry paper money no more in the land of the free.
There are a group of laws, like the insane one mentioned here, that the bozo puppets in congress do not have the balls to even question, that let the government totally fuck you up if they want to. All without any chance for justice. Trumped up charges of Mail fraud (can be just about anything) plus national security concerns can shut you up for good.
How much cash in the ve-hicle sir, non you say. OK.
Who did you vote for in the last election sir?
Wrong answer sir....BANG!
"common people do not have any money" there you go, fixed it.
I stick to the interstates. I also avoid states like Tennessee, Arkansas, Kentucky, and anywhere else I hear these stories coming from. Stay away from the back roads, that's where most of the Barney Fifes hang out. You can ask to know if your're being detained, but they wouldn't know the difference.
"I stick to the interstates."
Also known as High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas. The Domestic Highway Enforcement (DHE) strategy has been implemented within nine designated DHE regions. These regions are designated by ONDCP in consultation with HIDTA directors. The DHE Regional Coordinators are currently the HIDTA directors in the following HIDTAs:
Is Everybody safer after the Police has arrived (including the criminals) ? This is the Definition of Civilization and a Non-Failed Society . Usually seen as the Rule of Law .
http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2013/08/failing-states.html
Peppers beware. This escalates to "normal people don't have this much (firewood, corn, canned goods, anti-persperant, friends with guns, guns, etc), we must confiscate your (firewood, corn, canned goods, anti-persperant, friends with guns, guns, etc), for the good of the police departm... err, public at large.
Now that is just silly. The premise for confiscating cash is that the claim is that it is drug money. Prepper stash is just prepper stash. No one buys dope with freeze dried food.
"No one buys dope with freeze dried food."
Not yet....
I know of a few moonshine for dope trading circles. Shiners and herb farmers both like to avoid the tax man/cops. I've even heard of firewood for dope trading.
It is somewhat common for druggies to exchange a big tub of Tide or other laundary detergents for drugs. Black markets and barter make for interesting combinations
The down and up votes here are concerning. I often read comments for direction on things where I lack knowledge. This exchange is basic common sense and a small concesus here seems to be lost.
Currently - right now in the world we live in- the premise for confiscating cash is in fact that it could be drug money. This is documented legal fact used often in courts in building a case.
Currently - right now in the world we live in- no one buys dope with freeze dried foods. Moonshine, laundry detergent, your sister, whatever, sure but not freeze dried foods.
In the future if authorities are comming for your food or household items then we will be in a world where ones stash of ammunition will be diminishing rapidly. No one will care what you are buying with your freeze dried foods, rather, their kid in hungry and they have a badge and lots of back up.
Perhaps the next twist will be for them to check the balances in your bank account, savings account, or (gasp) your bitcoin wallet!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiXGcEpI-sI
Deserves at least as many re-runs as a "Frasier", "Seinfeld", "Golden Girls", and the Aztec two step.
Slaves! How dare you have property.
Common slaves don't carry this much currency!
Common slaves don't own this much food!
Common slaves don't live debt-free!
Common slaves don't have gold, silver, cash debt free or guns.
Common slaves don't have anonymity!
How dare you.
I thought the police were serving and protecting us. So who are they serving and protecting, if not us?
Themselves.
Serving warrants.
Protecting banksters.
Since any property could be used for a crime any property could be seized. No matter what side of the political isle you are on you have to admit this is a huge overreach of the powers of our government.
Bastiat said, "It would be impossible, therefore, to introduce into society a greater change and a greater evil than this — the conversion of the law into an instrument of plunder."
This story in and of itself is reason to enact a Fourth Branch Amendment. If you want to know what the Fourth Branch is, you can read about it here:
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/277193
80% is free. That is more than enough to understand the concept.
I guess we could extrapolate a bit furthr. People could be walking down the street, step onto my front lawn and commit a crime and the cops could seize my property. Hell they could even set the crime up and we would be none the wiser. Ambush?
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/12/from-occupation-to-occupy-the-israelificat...
It would be interesting to chart the increase in free trips to Israel and/or free military "surplus" with incidents of police misconduct.
Having the Israeli police train American cops doesn't make a lick of sense. Whatever tactics gleaned from a decades old violent and race-based occupation and colonization are not well-applied to the streets of Anytown, USA.
Indeed, these trips to Israel, often sponsored by AIPAC or the ADL, seem in large part to be part of a broader program to conflate Israel's enemies with our own, and Israeli occupation with domestic law enforcement.
Another case of police brutality was just shown on CNN - clearly a lot of cops need to be recycled.
what's a cnn?
If you are not breaking the law, what have you got to worry about?
Unfortunately, it isn't up to YOU to decide whether you are breaking the law or not. That decision is reserved for the guy in the uniform who has decided he wants your cash...
The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
Ayn RandI believe NC is being quite cynical, yet irony is often misunderstood in today's USA. How about it, NC?
I believe NC is being quite cynical, yet irony is often misunderstood in today's USA. How about it, NC?
People are being conditioned to the new cashless society coming our way courtesy of the NWO. Cash is criminal you see....now bend over and take that chip slaves...
http://www.drugpolicy.org/docUploads/Asset_Forfeiture_Briefing.pdf
https://www.ij.org/new-jersey-civil-forfeiture-background
Don't talk to the police.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
I fear the cops more than I fear criminals.
In this state, if a man tries to carjack (seize) my car, kidnap (arrest) me,or threaten me with deadly force, I can respond with deadly force. UNLESS that man is wearing a badge.
In that instance, you must submit and watch them potentially take your money, your car, or your life if the officer claims he felt threatened.
And if he does kill you, he will get paid administrative leave and the shooting will be declared justified.
And the worst part is, that most people still support the brave policemen. Only because they haven't had an interaction with one recently IMO.
Open offer to any innocent victim of police brutality who shoots a cop in self defense and gets charged with any crime: get me on the jury in your trial.
Send the police department a 1099 for the amount. . . or at the very least and serve them with a summons , wait till they ignore it and win a judgement.
No, common people are now living days from being homeless, scared, yet adjusted from their former six-figure salaries, mentally preparing for the next huge step downward, six figures, to five figures, and now four figure combined income. The people not declining right now made it through the "cream" level I think, the rest of us are done. We'll be like Navin Jonson, saying remember when I had that big white house and bambooo umbrellas for our drinks? p.s. If anyone needs a good computer programmer that has been blacklisted (he used to work all Fortune 100 companies) now after he gets a job after interview with verbal agreement it mysteriously disappears in a day before backgound check (clean) is done or anything. Being Libertarian, and using Freedom of Speech may cost you your life... I speak from experience... but think I did the right thing for society.
The main group holding up right now are those sucking the Government teat, FSA, bureaucrats and the like. They too will get hit when the Fed's printed billion dollar notes no longer get accepted.
Think about this...the dude that shot cops in PA is still on the lam.
26 Days.
There are several local, state and fed agencies going all out to find him.
Costing millions.
Imagine that dude times 10, 100, 1000.
Fokkers should ease up.
For their own good.
The guys chasing him are typical new LEO- 100% incompetent, unless they are beating up a victim. Even then they have to use three or more thugs to succeed.
When the time comes, they will throw away those uniforms and try to hide.
I thought it was a 'Look At The Monkey' tactic. If the LEOs don't watch it there may be more carnage.
John Oliver is hilarious. I've watched a few of his show segments in the past. He has a good show format, truth masked with sarcasm.
If a police officer asked me if I had money. Would press the BlackBerry assistance button and holler, 'find bank .'
Then, let the officer listen to his nearby choices.
;=)
You'll have my attention when it becomes commonplace for people to travel in groups of very much unremarkable vehicles, and if stopped for any reason, all exit multiple vehicles at once, commencing fire with many .30 caliber battle rifles using API rounds, instantly neutralizing the threat, then quickly exiting the area. Kinda like Argentina, Brazil or Venezuela at various times. Our future in a short while. Now give us reports of that kind of response and you will see LEOs opting to leave good looking citizens the hell alone. One may hope.
Let me be first person to answer back with my own M1A scout squad battle rifle. I have 720 rounds and six mags just ready to go. Plus a pretty .45 pistol and a shotgun. I don't need any more target practice. I'm good to go.
Yes, it will not be long before the US is Argentina.
We are fast approaching the point where you will not be able to distinguish a stereotyped strong-arm robber from another who simply has a badge.
The social order of the US will collapse within maybe another two years, imo.
"Hope and Change."
Only in America...................!
yep, the FBI seized 212 ounces of my silver in 2007 in a warehouse in Idaho, I have written the DA and Judge of that case and not a reply back nor my property.
You need to understand midnight gardening. I'm getting sloppy myself, two barrels sittings in nightstand. Only Mrs Atomizer knows where the hidden treasures are stashed. Haven't gotten around to burying it.
You sir, are a domestic terrorist, a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country.
Meh, that was a paraphrase of a statement by the Justice Department upon the conviction of one Bernard von NotHaus for 'counterfeiting'. Many of his customers coins were confiscated and I don't believe any of them were compensated.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/fbi-busts-mastermind-criminal-issuing-s...
http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon201.htm
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/feds-seeking-7m-worth-of-privatel...
http://lfb.org/the-domestic-terrorist-you-can-call-a-hero/
A warehouse is still safer than a bank!
Stop your queries.
Let some time go by and in that time, find out who the players were and burn their houses down.
Loyd Blankfein has everybody's money. Somebody call the police.
TonTon Macoutes had license to steal, rape and murder from the Duvaliers Papa and Baby Docs. In 2011 Baby arrived home after exile to post Aristede neo-doc worldand the puppet and bill clinton were there at the welcome greeting on the balcony together.... by appointment says Cornel West.
"TonTon Macoutes had license to steal, rape and murder from the Duvaliers"
Here, let me fix that for you.
"TonTon Macoutes had license from the Duvaliers to steal, rape and murder ".