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"We Can't Exclude The Possibility That Ebola Can Spread Through The Air," Expert Warns
"At this point there is zero risk of transmission on flights," said CDC Director Dr. Thomas Frieden, supporting other public health officials who have voiced similar assurances, saying Ebola is spread only through physical contact with a symptomatic individual or their bodily fluids. However, as The LA Times reports, some scientists who have long studied Ebola say such assurances are premature - and they are concerned about what is not known about the strain now on the loose. Dr. C.J. Peters, who battled a 1989 outbreak of the virus, and who later led the CDC's most far-reaching study of Ebola's transmissibility in humans, said he would not rule out the possibility that it spreads through the air in tight quarters..."We just don't have the data to exclude it."
As The LA Times reports, officials continue to stress how hard it is to get infected by Ebola...
"Ebola is not transmitted by the air. It is not an airborne infection," said Dr. Edward Goodman of Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, where the Liberian patient remains in critical condition.
...Public health officials have voiced similar assurances, saying Ebola is spread only through physical contact with a symptomatic individual or their bodily fluids.
Yet some scientists who have long studied Ebola say such assurances are premature - and they are concerned about what is not known about the strain now on the loose. It is an Ebola outbreak like none seen before, jumping from the bush to urban areas, giving the virus more opportunities to evolve as it passes through multiple human hosts.
Dr. C.J. Peters, who battled a 1989 outbreak of the virus among research monkeys housed in Virginia and who later led the CDC's most far-reaching study of Ebola's transmissibility in humans, said he would not rule out the possibility that it spreads through the air in tight quarters.
"We just don't have the data to exclude it," said Peters, who continues to research viral diseases at the University of Texas in Galveston.
Dr. Philip K. Russell, a virologist who oversaw Ebola research while heading the U.S. Army's Medical Research and Development Command, and who later led the government's massive stockpiling of smallpox vaccine after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, also said much was still to be learned. "Being dogmatic is, I think, ill-advised, because there are too many unknowns here."
If Ebola were to mutate on its path from human to human, said Russell and other scientists, its virulence might wane — or it might spread in ways not observed during past outbreaks, which were stopped after transmission among just two to three people, before the virus had a greater chance to evolve. The present outbreak in West Africa has killed approximately 3,400 people, and there is no medical cure for Ebola.
"I see the reasons to dampen down public fears," Russell said. "But scientifically, we're in the middle of the first experiment of multiple, serial passages of Ebola virus in man.... God knows what this virus is going to look like. I don't."
Additionally, Charles L. Bailey supervised the government's response to an outbreak of Ebola among several dozen rhesus monkeys housed for research in Reston, Va., a suburb of Washington.
What Bailey learned from the episode informs his suspicion that the current strain of Ebola afflicting humans might be spread through tiny liquid droplets propelled into the air by coughing or sneezing.
"We know for a fact that the virus occurs in sputum and no one has ever done a study [disproving that] coughing or sneezing is a viable means of transmitting," he said. Unqualified assurances that Ebola is not spread through the air, Bailey said, are "misleading."
Peters, whose CDC team studied cases from 27 households that emerged during a 1995 Ebola outbreak in Democratic Republic of Congo, said that while most could be attributed to contact with infected late-stage patients or their bodily fluids, "some" infections may have occurred via "aerosol transmission."
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Though he acknowledged that the means of disease transmission among the animals would not guarantee the same result among humans, Bailey said the outcome may hold lessons for the present Ebola epidemic.
"Those monkeys were dying in a pattern that was certainly suggestive of coughing and sneezing — some sort of aerosol movement," Bailey said. "They were dying and spreading it so quickly from cage to cage. We finally came to the conclusion that the best action was to euthanize them all."
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Maybe that explains the 160,000 HazMat suits the US government just ordered...
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When the time comes, you line them up against a wall and Puke.
"Shot bus is comin"..... "Shot bus is comin"........ oh, no that's eli's who's coming...never mind
Or is it "No Time"-The Guess Who http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqeSUAlI5uI
Yes Dr. Friedman, its airborn. It arrives on airplanes. Duh
The one liner of the week.
Kudos.
Hey, thanks for the tip....
Good thing we gots these experts handy.
Andromida strain....drink sterno
I'm not sold on airborne. Wouldn't this be spreading much more rapidly?
Now, *aerosolized*, most definately.
If you're not following the VDU Blog (Virology Down Under), check it out. Here is a good post about the difference between the two.
http://virologydownunder.blogspot.com/2014/10/its-what-falls-out-of-aero...
Do some research. This virus has always had an airborne capability within a certain radius.
You have been lied to by people who place Politics and Political Power above Human Life.
I think this is the biggest disconnect in terminology. You're alluding more to aerosols, which they're not even admitting to. Technically, airborne is dry particles suspended in the air. Aerosol would be wet particles that are sneezed/coughed/vomited out, propelled for a distance, and then land on floors/walls/other people.
Speaking of which, this chart considers Ebola tranmissable through aerosols, which the CDC is denying.
https://polination.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/contagiousness-of-6-disea...
Thanks for that, but it appears that natives are restless, and you will never talk them down.
Funny that Ebola won't make the top 100 disease killers, infectious, or otherwise, in the US...well...EVER. Let's not stop that from ruining our fun here at Zerohedge. We all need a solid dose of fear mongering in our lives, regardless of actual facts.
Anyone remember when this website was the best financial blog on the planet? Yeah, its fuzzy in my mnd as well.
Call "Broken Arrow" and expend all remaining ordinance on my position, we are fucking over run!
Just a conspiracy tard here, but I have said before that the US is being run/followed because of various complex computer models that show the outcomes.
Trading companies have high speed supercomputers front running trades.
Isn't it likely that the CDC also has super computer models, NOT just based on the spread of the disease, but also the publics reaction?
To me, it seems they continually leak information from various trusted and untrusted sources in order to let the info sink in without causing panic.
In my conspiracy theory, the CDC (and of course other gubmint enterprises) use the information they get from Facebook, and more importantly in this instance from Twitter to instantly gauge the reaction of the news that they release.
It could be airborne - Twittermania so lower it down, nope, still contact.
Then, it's not airborne, but maybe droplets - Twitter jumps, nope, it's only in very close proximity
The Spanish nurse was fully protected except for breathing apparattus - Twitter explodes, no, she must have touched her face when taking off her suit.
Anyways, it's a pet conspiracy of mine that the governments are using sophisticated models to help in their decision making and is why they back pedal and then leak info.
If they just let the public know what they know, there would be panic.
you must die
so bill gates rothschilds vaccine patents pay.
goy roll up and die quiet no noise thats a good boy.
Yeah and we justify killing you on the grounds that you hate us for killing you. Since you hate us (through no fault of ours) you must die.
You'll know they're bullshitting when somebody starts hacking up blood on the back of a jet and the pilot comes on the PA and asks everyone to open their windows.....at 33000 feet!
A negative pressure room!
Ebola the magic dragon, he lives by the sea!
USA are sending 4000 troops to the Ebola hotzone in Africa.
It seem like a pretty stupid move at first glance, but where else are they going to learn how to treat Americans when the time comes?
I too am of the mindset that this outbreak is created. The elite know the system is collapsing. Great timing Medical martial law coming soon. http://thebookgallery2014.blogspot.com/2014/08/beyond-ebola-preparation....
This criminal liar Duncan is taking up space in the ICU on life support. What happens when you have just 20-30 cases in a city like Dallas. There is not enough ICU and isolation space to go around. That's what happens when you let these people in our country. As far as I'm concerned, every Liberian citizen has had contact with ebola so they shouldn't be allowed in.
This is why Europe has been losing sleep, and it makes a lot of urbanites everywhere very nervous.....
"As far as we know, she was wearing a protective suit the whole time and didn’t have any accidental contact with him.”
"This is extremely disturbing to the medical community, because if protocol was indeed followed it’s possible that the virus has mutated and possibly gone airborne. The case is currently under investigation. Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University, said her case shows that health workers can be at risk not only in West Africa but in the sophisticated medical centers in Europe and the United States, ABC News reported."
http://www.intellihub.com/airborne-nurse-infected-spain-said-wearing-pro...
Duncan just died......things just changed..the USA is not the God we though we were
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It Obango's party election coming up so they have lie.
BRING OUT YOUR DEAD...(clang)
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When rationality fails , panic remains the only alternative . Random actions enable some to survive .
xxxxxx New: bad news
A new Black Death :
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-06/new-york-times-some-may-carry-e...
See http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2010/10/epidemics-without-pathogen-transmi...
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The time to panic is before the Titanic has left the harbour .See
http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2014/08/ebola-friendly-reaper_6.html
If the Triffids don't get you, Ebola will : seehttp://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2014/08/deader-guide-to-ebola.html
Plants have been breeding humans . See
http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2011/05/ebola-and-chocolate.html
Further examples of the Plant-Herbivore Wars :
http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2011/04/garlic-and-plant-herbivore-wars.html
http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2013/07/rabies-alzheimers-and-formic-acid.... Notice the cute trick to penetrate skin barriers . Reminiscent of hemorrhagic diseases like Ebola and Especially SuperEbola .
SuperEbola is Ebola on steroids , then add some . The Fifth Horseman on a Harley ! : see
http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2013/01/training-immune-system.html
for the desperate . : See
http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2006/03/training-immune.html
Good luck !
According to this paper from the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, Frederick, Maryland, aerosolized ebola can kill rhesus monkeys within 4-5 days. Hence, Charles' claim that "noone has ever done a study [disproving that] coughing and sneezing is a viable means of transmission" seems not completely correct. Since noone would want to do an experiment where an ebola patient coughs in your face to see if you get the infection, this study is the closest possible controlled way of emulating potential ebola transmission by sneeze/cough.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7547435
A humanbeing breathes in about a tablespoon of airborne dust each and every day.
You will become ill at some point in time and might even inhale a carcinogen or two.
It can't be helped.
Ebola might possibly be one of those airborned viruses that just might be there in the air. It just might be inhaled and you'll become infected.
There is a lot to look forward to these days.
No chance of that.
Timmy G
So the answer is yes it can
Double talking douchebags
How about an Ebola bucket challenge? Every time one of these mf-ers lies, dishonest or deceptive in any way it drops on them
Time to hang this Frieden fucker in the town square.
Jesus.