MH-17 Report False Flag Exposed After Revelation Passenger Was Wearing Oxygen Mask

Tyler Durden's picture

When exactly a month ago the supposedly objective, impartial Netherlands released its official, 34-page preliminary report of the MH-17 crash over Ukraine, presumably based on black box data, air traffic control records, and other "authentic, verified" information, there were precisely zero mentions of "oxygen", "mask" or "oxygen mask."

Which is odd, because in what should become the biggest Freudian slip scandal in false-flag history, certainly since the Gulf of Tonkin, yesterday Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans accidentally revealed for the very first time ever, that one of the Australian passengers aboard the doomed airplane "appears to have donned an oxygen mask before the fatal crash, suggesting some on board might have been aware of their impending deaths, a Dutch official disclosed." Clearly a crucial aspect of the crash, as it points at the severity of the alleged explosion, yet one which was not noted until yesterday and which completely skipped the purvey of the official crash report for reasons unknown.

Needless to say, this makes a complete mockery of the story that the plane had exploded upon impact with the "Russian" missile, and is why there was supposedly no trace of any impact on the flight's black box recorder. Whether or not it also means that the alternative theory that a Ukraine jet had purposefully downed the Malaysian aircraft to serve as a pretext to implicate Russia, is unclear. But it also means that yet another conspiracy theory becomes fact: namely that whoever were the western powers who doctored and manipulated the "official" crash report of MH-17 to implicate Putin, not only lied but fabricated evidence.

Immediately upon realization just how serious the implications of this slip are, the damage control started, but it was too late. From the LA Times:

Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans apologized on Thursday for making the revelation on a television talk show the previous night, before the families of the 298 victims of the disaster had been notified of the disturbing discovery.

 

Timmermans gave an emotional speech at the United Nations four days after the crash in which he imagined the terrified passengers exchanging glances "one final time, in an unarticulated goodbye."

 

When talk show host Jeroen Pauw interviewed Timmermans on Wednesday night, he provoked the minister with accusations that he had dramatized the victims' last moments as a preliminary investigation report suggests that the Boeing 777's destruction was so swift that those on board were unlikely to have known anything was amiss.

 

"They did not see the rocket coming, but you know someone was found with an oxygen mask on his mouth?” Timmermans replied, according to the NL Times translation of his comments.  "He thus had the time to do that. We cannot rule it out."

Well, actually we did not know because the official report that your country released Mr. Timmermans, and which we posted a month ago said that "high-energy objects from outside the aircraft" struck the airplane as it flew at an altitude of 33,000 feet, suggesting it had been struck by a missile.

Nothing on the flight data or cockpit voice recorders indicated the crew or passengers took any action in response to the fatal impact.

Which means the entire report is a fabrication.

So what did happen?

The mask found around the neck of the unnamed passenger, one of 88 Australian citizens and residents on board, was tested for fingerprints, saliva and DNA but produced no forensic evidence, De Bruin said. "So it is not known how or when that mask got around the neck of the victim," he said.

 

The discovery of the mask and the implications it raised about the passengers' final moments were conveyed to the Australian's family before Timmermans' interview on Wednesday night, the prosecutor's office said. But information was sent out to other family members of the MH-17 victims only on Thursday morning.

Timmermans issued a statement Thursday saying he regretted making the comment. We are confident that everyone else in the false-flag waving Western camp very much regretted Timmermans' comment as well.

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Winston Churchill's picture

So we now KNOW you are a paid Govt. troll.

Hook, line ,and sinker.

Their permanent civil servants brief them, and those guys always want it in writing.

Reptil's picture

Actually..... Only the data that is used in the final conclusion, will be published.
The rest remains in the drawer.
The final report MUST be agreed upon by the governments of The Netherlands, Belgium, Australia and Ukraine.
This is part of the "non-disclosure" agreement, signed in secret about 10th of august, of which the existence was disclosed the 29th of august.

Nice, neatly wrapped up in a NATO flag. The corpse of democratic representation.
Timmermans, Rutte and all responsible are simply TRAITORS.

Speculation: It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they had foreknowledge of MH-17 being shot down.

Againstthelie's picture

A preliminary report that doesn't mention anything about the victims death, autopsy results, nothing!

BingoBoggins's picture

Umm, the sharp turning manuever after initial impact, suggesting retreat to the nearest airfield? I'm nitpicking ...

 

 

BlindMonkey's picture

There you go thinking. That is not permitted. Get back in line....slave.

tenpanhandle's picture

Or trying to turn away from the jet shooting at them.

omniversling's picture

"The Boeing was hit, but still managed to stay in the air. However, in doing so, the Boeing turned 180 degrees to the left."

For 14km? To crash in Ukraine, rather than Russian Federation as planned?

 "On July 23rd, Anna-News published an interview with retired Russian Air Force colonel Aleksand Zhilin, a frequent military commentator on Ukraine’s Civil War. 

 

“According to the colonel, at 16:19:45 (local time, and 5:19pm Moscow time), a Ukrainian jet fighter targeted the Boeing with an air-to-air missile R-60. The missile damaged the right engine of the Boeing. The Boeing was hit, but still managed to stay in the air. However, in doing so, the Boeing turned 180 degrees to the left. It was at this moment that the false flag attack started falling apart. According to Zhilin, part of the plan controlled by the US with Ukrainian hands executing it was to have the Boeing crash past the southern frontline by the Ukrainian-Russian border. Had the Boeing fallen there, securing the crash sites with the troops in response to international pressure was on top of all else effectively to allow Kiev to lift the encirclement of its brigades (currently pinned down by rebels) in the southern pocket by the Russian border.”

Good ammount of deep research here:

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/07/25/mh17-verdict-real-evidence-points-...

 

BraveSirRobin's picture

"a Ukrainian jet fighter targeted the Boeing with an air-to-air missile R-60. The missile damaged the right engine of the Boeing. The Boeing was hit, but still managed to stay in the air. However, in doing so, the Boeing turned 180 degrees to the left."

If the right engine were hit, the left engine would remain active with thrust. The Left engine would push the aircraft to the RIGHT, not the left. The pilot, in such an emergency, would not not fight the tendency of the aircraft to yaw right if he wanted to turn. If the flight controls were damaged and the pilot was not in control, the aircraft woudl turn RIGHT, not left.

Also, if the aircraft had enough time to turn 180 degrees, the pilot would have plenty of time call mayday. A trip 777 would take more than a minute to produce this turn, and if fighting against his port engine, probably  a lot longer. The standard turn rate of a 777 is 2 degrees per second at 15 degree bank. 

You do not have to think much to know the Russian "Colonel" is full of it.

potato's picture

avilerat is exactly correct (except negative g cause red-out, but that's semantics)

think critically. the amount of hysteria on here is getting too high. 

i read this with an open mind, but this is non-news. it's irrelevant and it is not a smoking gun either way.

TheReplacement's picture

So you are saying the passengers would be full of shrapnel from the missile.  Certainly that detail was released along with a full forensic investigation to determine if said shrapnel had explosives residue as well and the metalurgic and chemical properties of the metal and explosive residue, right?

Oh, you are backing conclusions made on no evidence when said evidence should be readily available.  I see.

BraveSirRobin's picture

Not really, the particular missile warhead in this case is called "expanding rod" They are big chuncks of continuous linked metal of what looks like a big metal net. This expands the missile kill zone; the difference between a spear and a cast net fisherman. Victims would not be full of shrapnel but, if hit by part of the warhead, cut in two. Most of the aircraft and most of the passangers would not be harmed (directly) by the warhead which is designed to inflict structural damage on the airplane. 

BTW, the stuff from that Russian "Colonel" is ridiculous.

PT's picture

You ever tried to do anything in zero Gs?  One minute you're flying along happily, the next minute you're falling.  How long does it take you to get your shit together?  What if you're in a tailspin?  I think you've got about a minute till you hit the ground, so that should give you a bit of time to come to your senses.

Next time you're at the fairground, try the roller coasters and the MegaDrop.  Go up in a chopper and practice autorotations or stalls in an aeroplane.  While you're doing these activities, don't forget that you've had plenty of time to get ready for what is coming.

I suppose, out of a whole passenger aircraft, one or two would have the presence of mind to don a mask.  I can't argue one way or the other.  Just giving yas a couple of things to think about.

ThirdWorldDude's picture

"Buk-tube flew towards them, likely hit the tail or a wing (since the cockpit and most of the mainbody was found intact)"

 

Fuck you, troll!

Shocking analysis of the shooting down of MH17

 

1000yrdstare's picture

Buk-tube flew towards them, likely hit the tail or a wing

 

What about the cockpit damage?

TheReplacement's picture

So you're saying there were many fragments from the missile embedded within the airframe wreckage that was utterly undetectable by the investigators.  Good to know and thank you for confirming the falseflagginess.

thamnosma's picture

Photos were released of fuselage sections with many holes.  That was the first indication of a SAM hit.

BlindMonkey's picture

"That was the first indication of bullet strikes. "

Fixed it for ya.

MontgomeryScott's picture

I have saved downloaded pictures of the cockpit that show BOTH entrance AND exit holes in closeup.

This aircraft was shot at from BOTH sides, and SPECIFIALLY targeting the COCKPIT.

I've been reading the comments, and there are some very OBVIOUS paid misdirectors here. Some talking about the tail being shot off and the PILOTS could have pushed a button and dropped the oxygen masks and the aircraft being in the air for a period of several MINUTES after being hit, and...

Ukranian jets open fire. One engine hit. Plane makes a 180-degree turn. OH SHIT! WRONG WAY! Ukranian jets target cockpit. Pilots (and probably people in the front as well) killed, Plane nosedives. Video footage looks like about a 30 to 35 degree angle. Interesting flight manifest, as well. a bunch (over a hundred) of doctors flying to Moscow for something. Varied backgrounds, but microbiology and stuff like that, as I recall reading. Pictures of bodies on the ground that have no apparent wounds or even blood. Almost like they were dead before they hit (or before the plane took off), like cadavers pre-loaded. FUCKING REALLY UNWORLDLY SHIT. Kind of like WTC1, 2, and 7. Kind of like the official FBI crime stat page on Conneticut showing NO homicides in Newtown (think SANDY HOOK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL) in the year 2012.

What happened to MH370, anyway? DON'T TELL ME that the 'PTB' government air traffic controllers and the thousands of satellites encircling the earth didn't track this flight. THAT story is BULLSHIT, and you can BET YOUR ASSETS that there are those that KNOW where it is. ALL Boeing aircraft from 757 up have built-in software that allows overriding of pilot commands and remote control from ground sources (that locks the flight crew OUT), and the pilots are largely REDUNDANT now. if you don't KNOW this, you haven't done your research.

The NETHERLANDS has their airline called KLM that hit the Pan Am 747 with one of their own in Tenerife, the Canary Islands ON THE RUNWAY. They managed to get the blame put on PAN AM even though the evidence OVERWHELMINGLY PROVES that the blame was ALL on KLM. It BANKRUPTED Pan Am. I was no fan of Juan Trippe, because of his dealings with Howard Hughes, but WTF?

FUCK these Dutch bastards. they are proven LYING COCKSUCKERS.

thamnosma's picture

That's a fact.  I don't see what wearing an oxygen mask has to do with some big revelation.  The masks would have dropped at the moment cabin pressure was lost from the myriad projectiles from the missile.  Much ado about nothing.  The aircraft was NOT exploded to smithereens in mid air.

cheech_wizard's picture

TUC at 33K feet is what? Do your own research. I doubt I could put on an oxygen mask in that amount of time.

StormShadow's picture

Time of useful consciousness at 33,000...roughly 30-45 seconds as I recall. Still you are correct the great majority of people can't do it under the best of conditions much less in a plane with gaping holes plunging toward the earth.

Earl Slaughter-- Truck Driver.'s picture

Hypoxia's onset depends on the individual-- some can stay alert and functional for quite a while without O2.

In the altitude chamber we practiced this, experienced actual rapid decompression in order to recognize the symptoms of hypoxia. Not bragging, but I was still good and cogent after a full minute at 30k with no supplimental oxygen, and only put my mask on to hurry an end to the damn exercise (had a hot date with a hot aeromed/flight nurse lined-up)

Me? I'm ex-aircrew professionally trained by USAF Flight Surgeons on this stuff. And I'm willing to say that from what I've been able to gather in the media that it's unlikely that those on the flight died peacefully and unaware of their fate.

And if there's nothing to hide, why haven't the goddamn tapes been released?

 

  

cheech_wizard's picture

I looked up the info, and I can't argue a single point you make. I was going by info published by the AOPA's website. They gave the TUC numbers of 30 seconds at 30K feet, 20 seconds at 35K feet.

kchrisc's picture

I smell a dirty diaper.

An American, not US subject.

 

"Is that a load of shit in your pants, or just the propaganda you're trying to feed me?!"

Mentaliusanything's picture

So in summary

1/- The Cockpit voice recorder must match with the Flight controllers. Voice /timing and digitally

2/Oxegen masks cannot be just grabbed from above your head. They are like airbags and drop when required, either by pressure drop switch or (manual overide take some time to do that)

3/- It takes approx 5-10 second to apply one over your head, longer if your disorientated and in panic mode.

4/- It take 20 mins to down load a voice recorder and all the black box information (Air speed, yaw, flap position, elevation, pitch .... and 34 other recorded bit of information from the cockpit and motor computers ..and 12 months to report  it fully ?????????

5/- If one passenger had a mask, all the masks had dropped .... and it would be noted in the blak box

6/- The visual evidence of wreakage must match the electronic memory of the black box. Question? .. were oxegen masks found delpoyed in the wreakage??

7/- If it looks like a Turd, pick it up, if it smells and it feels like a Turd, then taste it, if it tastes smells, feels, and looks like a Turd then your likely to have a Turd. In other words when all of the observations have been made and facts cross checked a Turd cannot be a Duck. This Turd is never going to fly like a Duck

Latina Lover's picture

Isn't MH17 the USSA/CIA false flag designed to demonize Russia and justify heavy sanctions as part of the overthrow of Putin in favor of Atlanticist Oligarchs?

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

The other part of this story that everyone seems to have forgotten is that Putin's aircraft-- with very similar markings to Malaysia Air livery-- passed through the same general airspace within a few hours of the downing of MH-17.

Not Too Important's picture

No he didn't. He's not that stupid to fly his own aircraft over a hot zone.

Even Obama wouldn't fly over Syria/Iraq.

Next.

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

Putin wasn't flying over a hot zone. Neither was MH-17, until it was diverted.

JuliaS's picture

Putin's plane wouldn't fly anywhere near Ukraine. He ain't dumb or naive unlike some other president I know.

fuu's picture

It was hours earlier and furthur northwest.

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

Indeed. Surprisingly close in space and time, when you think about it... Just a big coincidence, I'm sure.

DFCtomm's picture

I do know that an incredibly huge amount of effort is put into training pilots for target recognition. There must be some reason for that. Friendly fire would certainly be the kind of PR disaster that a troubled administration would want to cover up. The bottom line is we'll never know for sure because there will always be conflicting accounts of what happened.

BraveSirRobin's picture

The "general airspace" was over Poland, and yes, hours earlier.

Also, a missile engagement would occur beyond visual range, unless they used a small short-range AA IR seeker missile, which probably would not have brought down the airliner. 

By all accounts, that is, not loopy nut job accounts, this aircraft was shot down by a large surface to air missile, so the livery means nothing.

actionjacksonbrownie's picture

You might be brave sir, but you sure are stoopid.

 

Any missile exploding next to the cockpit would be capable of downing this aircraft, as would the subsequent ventilation of the cockpit by 30mm cannon fire.

 

No surface to air smoke trail = no surface to air missile.

BraveSirRobin's picture

Please provide a limk to the "30mm" holes. There are lots of things that can put hole sin aircraft. It's fairly easy to do. 

Where are the contrails from the fighters that shot down the airliner? No contrails, no fighters.

In fact, there would be no smoke trail in a terminal phase of a missile attack at range beyond it's motor burn. In fact, a missile motor burns only for a few seconds. It rides the rest of the way on momentum. The BUC's motors are done in 15 seconds, so the engine is done at about 7 miles downrange, ergo, no smoke trail beyond that.

Please note the video at this link. It shows MRLS being fired. Notice how the smoke trails end after the rocker motors finish their burn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WxP6rkfA3U

So, a jet engine, like that in a fighter, burns continuously, and therefore, produces contrails, continuously. A missile with a rocket motor produces a contrail for as long as the motor burns, which is not very long. Therefore, no contrail, no fighter, and more likely a missile at range beyond motor burn. 

Also, to accuratly aim at a cockpit of a jet, the shooter woould have to get REAL close. Actual air-to-air connon are not that accurate. They produce a lot of vibration that throws off shooting and act realy more like a shot gun, except fo the stupid Russian 30mm, which has a slow rate of fire and limited ammo. It takes getting real close and real marksman to get a hit. The Russian fires one or two rounds at a time. Try shooting a machine gun some time. The only accurate round is the first unless you have a mongo heavy and well recoiled mount. US aircraft use gatling guns to create a wide area spray, more like and shot gun effect, which gives a much greater chance of hit. A close grouping of multiple 30mm holes from a Russian fighter? No way.

lastly, a 30mm would not be the best weapon choice to bring down a large aircraft, at least not if you wanted to do it quickly and catestrophically. This is because a large aircraft has a lot of space devoid of critical components. You can pump in a lot or rounds and not hit anything vital. It certainly would not cause instant destruction of the targeted aircraft, giving the pilot plenty of time to complain on his radio. 

A big ass missile, though, woudl cause instant and catastrophic damage to the aircraft. 

If you take your tin foil hat off, you may actually learn something.

BraveSirRobin's picture

Down grade facts all you want looney tune tin foil nut cranks.

MontgomeryScott's picture

The last play of a losing party is to resort to ad homenim attacks, trying to associate their personal characters with generalized and false representations of people who are spanking your ass with facts.

"LOONEY TUNE"

"TIN FOIL"

"NUT"

"CRANKS"

They cannot refute any argument by using the already proven FALSE lies and supposedly 'acceptable' facts/fables that have been totally DISPROVEN, and generally have no training from their superiors except to resort to 'name-calling' (like a small child would do).

Shall I call this one, or will someone else call it for me?

 

BraveSirRobin's picture

I shal call it for you... Looney tune tin foil hat nut cranks. they is what they is.

The Black Bishop's picture

Since we are along this line, I can conclude that you are either;

 

a) a moron without the mental capacity to handle complex information without being handheld by the government telling you what is what.

 

or

 

b) a paid shill trying to deflect the discussion or promote the government story while degrading other participant that do not adhere to the official story.

 

Personaly I think a bit of both.

BraveSirRobin's picture

What stupidity - if this was a "false flag" they would tell the passengers? That's about the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

The obvious cause is that the masked fell upon depressurization and a passenger in an intact section had time to don the mask. 35,000 is a loooong way down. It takes time to hit the ground, and it was big aircraft and would not be totally disentegrated in the air by the missile hit. It is quite certain many passengers survived until the aircraft hit the ground. "Oh, they could not survive without O2 up there!" Sure they can. People climb Mount Everest all the time without O2, and the aircraft is going down in altitude at a fairly good clip.

Now, this does not prove one way or the other who shot the plane down, but this is really quite stupid.

Take the tin foils off. Reality can suck, but it is, none the less, reality.

1000yrdstare's picture

ok so lets follow your "theory" of a missile shooting down the plane, where is the evidence of this, it appears to me that US and its allies seem to not want to release any info, don't you find that a bit suspicious? I suspect they discovered it was a Ukrainian blunder and they are trying desperately to cover it up....of course thats just what I am seeing...(removing tinfoil hat)

BraveSirRobin's picture

The theory of a missile, and a large one at that, is due to the sudden catastophic nature of the aircraft's destruction in mid-flight, which is I think not debated. Cannon fire would not cause sudden catastrophic damage. There is also video evidence of soldiers from the missile launcher clebrating their kill which was very quickly released. 

I do not think the aircraft was intentionally shot down by any side. Who ever did it probably thought is was a legitimate military target. It is certainly not the first time this has happened to an airliner, a famous case being the US Navy's destruction of an Airbus over the Persion Gulf filled with muslim pilgrams. Careless people with deadly weapons often end up carelessly killing innocent people. 

And one thing about the Russian military, of which the Ukrainian military is a direct decendent and so shares this common trait, is that it is both trigger happy and careless, and often drunken to boot. It is quite possible either side did this, but very unlikely, in my view, that it was intentional or that there is any crazy conspiracy, at least prior to the event... sure, afterwards, everyone wants to cover their butts and blame someone else, and I am sure they conspired to do so, but the crazy crap on this site is simply that... crazy crap.

IridiumRebel's picture

Yeah! is it a virus? TV show?

Ness.'s picture

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