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CDC Holds 11am ET Press Conference Following Second Ebola Case In US: Live Webcast
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Tom Frieden will provide an update at 11 a.m. ET Sunday on the response to the second case of Ebola in Dallas, the first person-to-persion transmission on US soil. As reported earlier, a health care worker, who cared for Liberian Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, tested positive for the disease, hospital officials announced Sunday. Duncan died on Wednesday. The CDC will conduct confirmatory tests on Sunday and share the results after the patient, who has not been identified, is notified, according to a CDC statement.
Here are the punchlines from CDC's Tom Frieden:
- "We don't know what happened in the care of the index patient, but there was a breach in the protocol." i.e., the nurse's fault.
- "Unfortunately, it is possible that in the coming days we will see additional cases of Ebola." i.e., when more Ebola patients are revealed, it will all be contained.
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It is reported that the infected nurse in Spain only entered the Ebola vicitims room twice and for very brief periods.
There are also reports of persons being infected with Ebola and being asymptomatic while still able to transmit the virus to others. There are also persons who are reported able to treat Ebola victims while remaining immune to the virus.
These incidents suggest that individuals may have varying degrees of susceptibilty with something in an individuals biochemistry or prior viral exposures rendering them either relatively immune to the virus or highly suspectible to the virus.
In Guns, Germs, and Steel , Jared Diamond argues that Europeans were assisted int their early conquest of the Americas by the fact that Europe was a complete cesspit (crowded living conditions, little of no sanitation) and the Europeans therefore had aquired immunity to a wide range of disease. The native Americans lived in much healthier conditions and their bodies were highly susceptible to the disease strains carried by the early European explorers and they dropped like flies with a near 90% population reduction.
It is possible that this same process is now operating in a similar fashion with regard to Ebola. In the current case Ebola developed in sub-standard conditions in Africa and when it is encountered by persons in the west they have zero acquired immunity and the potential for transmission is high.
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Anybody know what happened to the homeless man who used the ambulance after Duncan was transported in it? Great disease vector there, one that will transmit through a neglected population until it suddenly bursts into the open.
we got this!
dont panic!
dont worry, be happy...
MEANING...
RUN!
No ebola nor ISIS-related death in Israel yet.
What's up?
YOU KNOW THIS IS SERIOUS,
WHEN YOU SEE THE WHOLE ZH CREW UP AND ABOUT..
POSTING...
INCLUDING THE TROLLS...
THIS IS NOT GOING TO END WELL..
ITS ON!
How long can Ebola remain dormant outside a host? I mean, will the survivors be able to acquire all the property of the dead and live like kings? Or will they be forced to burn everything to the ground and live in squalor? I mean, if this thing takes off then most of us won't need to know the answer to that question, but I thought the answer should be established well in advance because I'll be really pissed off if the survivors have to work their guts out for nothing.
Nuke the site from orbit, bitchez!
<It will be contained
<There will be a major US infection
half dozen people don't make a big problem, thousands do.
don't worry sheep...we got this...everything's under control, cuz look ! we all have advanced degrees from ivy league schools so how could we screw this up ? baaaaahhhhh who's playin' today ? baaaaaaahhhhhhh honey go get me another coors lite baaaahhhhhhh gays should be able to get married gays shouldn't be able to get married baaaaaaaahhhhhhhh should we change the name of an NFL team cuz it offends someone ? baaaaaaahhhhhhhhh hey steve did you see the hacked pix of naked kate upton ? baaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Obama: "Ebola is JV."
The rest of the world : Obama is JV
stands appeared to be full at Saturday's Oklahoma at Texas college football game in Dallas. I wonder how they'll look for Texas' next home game....(or Dallas Cowboys next home game)
Nice job, Fried-y.
Washington Haemmoragic FeverSkins!
Dat's raycist
""We don't know what happened in the care of the index patient, but there was a breach in the protocol." i.e., the nurse's fault."
I thought it was the fault of the cock sucker who infected her, after exposing himself to the virus and flying here for free medical care?
seriously though, Barry & Michelle really should've come up with a cute catchy hashtag to halt this virus by now . . . . .
Freiden is a Zionist helping the Zionist cause of reducing the world population by 1/2. The Ebola virus mas manufactured in Israel and is weaponized to reduce world population. Thank you Bill & Belinda Gates, Rothschilds, Rockefellers et al.
Where is your proof that it was manufactured in Israel or you just making shit up to justify your hatred of Jews?
He is mad. Don't bother.
Washington Wagon Burners!
Later tonight we are having the draft for our Fantasy Ebola teams.
Well, how about the Dallas Cowboys playing in Seattle, right now. Should be a heckuva game. or not.
We come in peace.
Don't run. We are your friends.
My wife, an ER doctor, is 8 weeks out from delivering our second child. We bought some acerage in the Cumberland Ridge section of middle-TN. The site has a well, septic, and electricity. It takes 10+ hours to get to the site from our home in central Florida. We have a 43' motorcoach filled with 150 gallons of diesel in storage. The plan was, once panic started to set in, we'd head for the hills with our fully stocked escape capsule.
Something tells me the panic will set in before the first week of Dec. If that's the case, I'm in a real pickle. She works at the only level 1 trauma center within 200 miles - so our "first case of Ebola in FL" will probably happen there.
I thought I'd planned for everything, but the baby's due date is really causing a dilemma.
I left you a message on another thread about how to check your messages. Hope this works
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Good luck with your wife and baby.
This is getting out of hand, but not that bad, yet.
Can she get some kind of medical thing to let her stop working, for the sake of the baby. Her ankles sure look too swollen to me and I'm sitting all the way over here! ;-)
erkme73: I'll make this simple. You got a bub. Bub comes first.
No good? How about: If you're already dead then you ain't helping anyone?
Apparently when the planes hit the twin towers, the voice on the PA was telling everyone to go back to work. (I haven't bothered checking that one so feel free to look it up.)
Sorry I can't be of any further help.
First rule of First Aid: Don't make any more casualties.
TU'ed. Thanks for the hint. I guess it's better than nothing. Would be neat to have an email with a link back - but I guess that's a feature request that goes unanswered.
Wife's ankles are actually not as bad this time as with our first (18mo now). She's a go-getter, and wants to work right up to the due date. Though, this whole scare has her seriously re-evaluating everything. I can just see 6 weeks from now, with an Ebola patient in every state, the last place we want to go is to a busy, big hospital. It doesn't help that our first born spent 11 days in the CVICU not wanting to breathe on his own. The fear of the second having a similar issue pretty much excludes the idea of delivery outside of a hospital.
Oh well... I have another 8 weeks to come up with some kind of a plan, I suppose..
No plan survives contact with the enemy. You're way ahead of the game. Just drive on - everything will work out. And congrats on the soon to be new family member!
I have about two months of food stored in the coach. I've never hunted. There are packs of wild boar - 50-100 of them, some over 400lbs. - that walk my property in TN. The locals (if you ever find any) say it's the best meat you've ever tasted. Gonna head to the local gun range in two weeks with one of my ex-military buddies to load up on some rifles. Hope to get them before the world learns that the DA won't seek and indictment for Darrin Williams (Ferguson cop).... I expect that to be a possible black-swan event.
Wild pig under 150 taste best. But if shtf, you can bet your ass I will not pass up the shot on a bigger one.
Eat the little ones. Great big bastards are too tough and stringy. Shoot them, let it lay where killed and the others (or coyotes) will eat it.
Friend, a bit of advice about those damn wild hogs. Look up on yu tube how dangerous they are; they WILL attack humans, and cut you, get you down on the ground, and kill yurass. They are ruthless. Carry a pistol if you go walking in the woods and be READY to shoot them if they come out at you. I'm serious. Look at some of the you tube videos that show how they attack and their tusks do major, major damage.
Good thing about it, just butcher 'em like any ol' hog, put them in the smoke house, and you've got some tasty ham and bacon. g/luck w/new baby!
Take a look at this Vice report from Liberia...http://youtu.be/ANUI4uT3xJI
The reporter is an idiot, but that's not the important part.
I don't see panic or desparation among the Liberians...I see despair.
I think we need to rethink how Americans will react.
Those of us on here are aware of what's going on and may be planning some degree of isolation, but I tend to think most sheeple will go about their lives as if nothing is happening around them. They don't watch/read the news. They just don't have a clue what's going on outside of FB and reality TV.
are you trying to tell me there's a world outside of FB and reality TV ? ? ? Come on man ........
To be honest, it's not the people I fear. It's our government, and any strong-handed, knee-jerk reaction they may undertake. For example, if it gets to the point where hosptials can't accept more patients, I can see the national guard or military being used to isolate states. Just getting out of FL is a 5 hr drive for us. I-10 makes a great choke-point. Getting past Atlanta (CDC) en route to TN would be another.
If that were to happen, I think the only way to avoid it is to get mobile BEFORE it happens. Hopefully there would be enough clues dropped to make the decision to leave that much easier.
I have enough military and ex-military friends that are privately getting their stuff in place - and they've warned me to do the same.
Good point. Any decent hospitals near your TN property? Relocate now and your wife can deliver in TN?
I would be more concerned about the fracking being done on the property next door.
Good point. Though, There are 1000' elevation changes in <100 of horizontal spaces (i.e. sheer drop-offs) everywhere. I see logging trucks across the gorge, but no drilling or other heavy equipment.
No need to worry about hydraulic fracking. All claims to environmental disaster are contrived.
The Ebola thing is starting to scare me though.
You mean you haven't left yet? What are you thinking?
"...breach in the protocol..."
Yeah, sure. Couldn't possibly be a new strain.
Send more soldiers and reporters to Africa, more protocols, do not worry.
Keep letting the flights come in because a temperature scan and a questionnaire can stop a viral pandemic.
*cough*
The inflection point will be when they send soldiers to Dallas.
The inflection point will be when soldiers refuse to go to Dallas and when Dallas health workers refuse to come to work.
Wife is an rn. She said she would refuse to go to work at that hospital. She is watching closely and says we may be fucked. Completely preventable. Obuttfuck brought it to our shores. Fuck you obama
Said a week or two ago that the inflection point would be when health care workers start to die.
I have a feeling that today may be seen , in future, as the turning point. Hope I'm being histrionic.
And BTW, can anyone tell me whether criminal negligence on the part of a government agency is actionable? Like, say, recommending a level of isolation precautions healthcare workers should take that will obviously kill a bunch of them?
Its a test for critical thinking skills.
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Et cetera is abbreviated "Etc."
Perhaps he meant ECT. Once this thing gets to 32 in the US, the financial markets are going to need electroconvulsive therapy.
When millions line up for the vaccine like lemmings the pandemic begins.
I was at a very crowded mall Sat.....I was thinking to myself. ....WTF am I doing here!
You are now at risk of Ebola infection.
Yes, crowds are to be avoided from now on. It seems that many here are swallowing these reports from MSM (MSM people!) hook, line, and sinker. We find this curious.
What are you talking about?
The MSM is parroting the Friedenism that the only way to transmit Ebola is to have an infected person vomit down the throat of another.
PT... YOU ARE A GHOUL! looking to pick pocket the dead..
Read it again - in such a scenario I didn't put much faith in my own survival. I just hope my CD collection goes to some nice people that like metal.
i did...
So if you are a survivor, are you going to stay in your hovel forever? Or would you like to know when it is safe to move about? Yes, my original question can sound quite tasteless, but whether you are good or evil, you still need to know the answer. It's all in the context. I sacrificed clarity for entertainment value, in this case I lost. Sorry to those I offended, but good or evil, if you are a survivor then you will want to know the answer. Can you just wait? Or do you need to incinerate every city?
You're thinking logically. Akin to a crime in present-day USSA. Please stop, and get all emotional and shit. You'll make a lot more friends.
Cities with large EBT populations will incinerate themselves.
The alien civilizations who will colonize earth in about 10,000 years will think assume Jerry Farwell was correct and your music collection led to our collapse.
Then again, depending on who the survivors are, perhaps I would be happy if they spend their remaining days living in squalor ...
"SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: Filoviruses have been reported capable to survive for weeks in blood and can also survive on contaminated surfaces, particularly at low temperatures (4°C)."
Ebolavirus - Pathogen Safety Data Sheet
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php
What I remember reading is 4C, 30-40% humiidity in the lab 15.3 hours outside the host. Also it can be transmitted like influenza to the respritory system or (unlike influenza) thru the skin.
Some people keep saying the disease is fake. Take a look at Monrovia, Liberia and see if the dying looks fake.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4AZidJ36nA0
I do agree with TeamDepends that vaccines are to be avoided. Trust has been destroyed.
I skipped through all three vice episodes and didnt see anyone dying.
Saw lots of hand wringing, tents, poor black people.
No footage of anyone bleeding out their eyes nose ears or ass.
In an infectious material it is about 50 days under the propper conditions.
Gov instilling fear long before the days of the duck and cover nonsense... Fuck them and all the false threats they feed us.
Live you lives and be happy. Do the math folks, millions of people in the affected regions with only 4000 deaths.
They admit their numbers are under estimated. The guys who collect and bury bodies are saying that many are coming in that never went to the hospital because there was no room at the hospital. If they die at home or in the street alone, there is not as great a probablity that their death will be recorded as an ebola death. They have trouble testing the living, never mind testing all the corpses and risking infection to "get accurate stats."
The truth is we don't have accurate numbers, we cannot have accurate numbers.
Life will go on. The sky isn't falling.
I agree. Those numbers are still wrong.
"Life after hospitals." Think about it. Those are health care workers being killed.
The way you people are importing niggers it won't be long till you'll be singing a different tune.
The math needs a few more months before we do it. Geometric expansion doesn't look as impressive at the macro level early on. It looks the worst when it is already breaking down because the population of unaffected individuals starts to dwindle. I don't know of any credible sources of data on the West African spread. The WHO data shows some positive signs such as regions that had been affected with no new recent cases. But does anyone around here believe that WHO wouldn't fuidge the data when the going gets tough?
Let's face it....the President of the United States and his cohorts scream Death to America every night before they go to bed.
"Kill them before they kill us."
C'mon man...POTUS loves the USA with all his heart... oh, and I'm having a twosome tonight with Kate Upton & Stacy Kiebler
And for God's sake, keep spending!
If Ebola gets worse here in the states, will I still have to make my car payment?
just wrap it in plastic and caution tape, it won't be repo'd
...Primary cause of Ebola outbreak is hocus pocus.....as Obama stated...."My Golf handicap is under five, and that proves my Leadership is near perfect, so if I said Ebola is under control, it must be."
Under 5! That puts him up with the greats. Presidents like Kennedy, Eisenhsuer, they didn't even PLAY golf. They spent all their time in their Oval Office.
I didn't know Eisenhsuer was ever president.
However if you are referring to Eisenhower, "As our golfer in chief, President Dwight D. Eisenhower brought golf to the White House lawn and played nearly 800 rounds while in office. Not since Mary Queen of Scots has a head of state done so much to popularize the game."
http://golfweek.com/news/2009/nov/02/dwight-d-eisenhower-golf-white-house/
"Although he practiced fervently and developed a good short game, his handicap ranged from 14 to 18 and he broke 80 just three times in his life."
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/president-dwight-eisenhowe...
Ike let the Dulles b
I didn't know Eisenhsuer was ever president.
However if you are referring to Eisenhower, "As our golfer in chief, President Dwight D. Eisenhower brought golf to the White House lawn and played nearly 800 rounds while in office. Not since Mary Queen of Scots has a head of state done so much to popularize the game."
http://golfweek.com/news/2009/nov/02/dwight-d-eisenhower-golf-white-house/
"Although he practiced fervently and developed a good short game, his handicap ranged from 14 to 18 and he broke 80 just three times in his life."
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/president-dwight-eisenhowe...
Ike let the Dulles brothers run the country. Their legacy is still with us.
He is getting close to kim jong il territory
Frieden is a scumbag, lying motherfucker - petition to have this piece of shit fired and prosecuted:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/10/12/5236988/cdc-protocol-breach-...
"Frieden tells CBS' "Face the Nation" that all those who treated Duncan are now considered to be potentially exposed. Frieden couldn't give an exact number.
Health care workers treating Duncan were to follow CDC protocol that included wearing protective gear.
Among the things CDC will investigate is how the workers took off that gear — because removing it incorrectly can lead to a contamination."
Oh REALLY? FRIEDEN ALREADY KNOWS/IS CLAIMING THAT THERE WAS A BREACH IN PROTOCOL IN REMOVING PROTECTIVE GEAR, WHICH CAUSED THE NURSE'S INFECTION?
Lying piece of shit. I want to hear the nurse and medical staff completely eviscerate Frieden's ugly, lying face.
HOW THE STORY KEEPS CHANGING.
It is airborne. Period.
The next two weeks will be very interesting.
Hazmat suit maker's stock up 50% on Ebola fearsWill Lakeland actually benefit from stronger demand? Still, it's not clear just how much Lakeland will really benefit from increased demand for protective gear. Lakeland said in a mid-September statement that it was increasing manufacturing capacity for its hazmat suits and added that the U.S. State Department put out a bid for 160,000 suits.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/09/investing/lakeland-hazmat-suits-ebola/
Ebola will come to London, warns Boris Johnson Mayor of London he says there is "little doubt" a case of Ebola will emerge in Britainhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ebola/11156968/Ebola-will-come...
Therefore, EBOLA WILL HIT CALCUTTA, RIO, MEXICO CITY, DEHLI, BANGLADESH, ETC!
Frieden's full of shit. I can hardly believe what I am hearing right now. Slaps forehead.
Nobody has talked about what happened to the dialysis machine after the Liberian died on Wednesday. Who cleans it? Was it done properly? Did the nurse have some kind of exposure to the machine, or it's elements, at any time? We'll probably never get the answers.
I hope the dialysis machine was destroyed. I don't know how it could possibly be cleaned well enough to be 100% safe.
Frieden will just blame the current spread on Kweku Adoboli (or his Texan doppelganger).
All airline traffic was halted after 9/11 so don't tell me it can't be done .
Just as Alan Greenzirp was getting ready to take his dick out of the mashed potatoes after LTCM and NasDown "stimulus" orgy... it can be done, but you're trading a viral plague for a fiat plague, and either can be fatal to both individuals and societies.
You won't hear from anyone but our masters. That's how this administration works. First thing they do in any interaction with the private sector is to require all non-government people involved to sign non-disclosure agreements under threat of incarceration.
Nurses should rape him, sit on his face, ejaculate, whatever-- share the love.
The homless man was placed in a mental ward and seemed non to happy about that. As is to be expected.
Spumoni Originally Posted this below, I think it deserves some attention so I am atempting to get it a better spot, lets see how I do.
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We have approximately 160 passengers arriving via air travel from West Africa in the US each day (media reports, NPR and others). Presumably, these persons are coming via Frankfort, Bonn, London, Paris and Brazil, all of which have flights connecting directly to West Africa.
The current 'wisdom' is to screen incoming passengers for fever, and to interview those who have one with a quarantine officer, who then makes a determination as to their status. JFK airport began this procedure yesterday (11 October).
1. No airports are equipped with quarantine facilities for humans, certainly not where biological pathogens are involved.
2. Passengers with a fever are directed, presumably, to a room where they wait for their interview with the q-officer. Since the vast majority of travelers with a fever do NOT have ebola, the worst thing there is that they infect one another with the flu or whatever else they are carrying. HOWEVER, let's assume that the room, at some point, contains one passenger who is carrying ebola. They cough, sneeze, or otherwise expose everyone else in that room to ebola.
3. Because the rest of the people in the room did not originate their travel in West Africa, they are then released to continue their travels. Because they are now potential carriers themselves, they go about exposing everyone else they come into contact with to the disease.
4. 8-21 days later we begin to see cases 'mysteriously' pop up all over the place, and the gig is up.
It is quite clear to me, and to my friends at Homeland Security, that the current plans for dealing with this epidemic are worse than woefully inadequate. They are so ill-conceived as to be criminally negligent at best. The fact is that we have zero plan for dealing with this, and are clearly ignoring the advice of both history and what we have learned so far from experiences in Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia.
In the wake of the bubonic plague in Europe, Asia and Indochina during the years from 1300-1600, there was no viable economy in many places (everyone in many cities was dead), and protocols were put in place which did in fact safeguard the cities and ports where commerce and travel were able to continue.
1. No ship was allowed to come to the quay until it had been searched and its crew examined for signs of 'the pox.'
2. There was, and is, in every port, a holding area used for ALL incoming traffic.
3. Any ship showing signs of the Plague had the choice of leaving or being burned at anchor in the harbor (a bit draconian for today's tender mercies, but you get the point.) NO crew were allowed to disembark. In this way, many ports were able to remain operational and plague-free.
At the end of the day, shutting commercial transportation from West Africa remains the simplest way to begin getting this pandemic under control. At the current rate of expansion, there will be in excess of 8 million cases in a year's time (8000 cases currently doubling every three weeks). Assuming that the rate of West African travelers arriving in the US remains constant at 160 a day (58,400 people per year), and a 1% infection rate, we absorb 584 cases in a year's time, at a variety of places, and from people with a variety of contacts. If 584 people are waiting in rooms at airports, each containing 25 people waiting for their interviews with the q-officer, we are then releasing 14,600 potentially infected people (40 people/day) annually into the interiors of our cities and nation. After that, you can just forget about containment. If the mortality rate stays at 50%, we're talking 185 million corpses in three years, just here. All because some pack of Wall St.-owned idiot politicians didn't want to upset the economy.
In short, the protocols our government has begun using at a handful of airports only do one thing - they absolutely guarantee that we will have a crisis of unprecedented proportions, for which we are not prepared. Don't you think maybe the press corps ought to be raising a bit of stink?
Presstitutes raising a stink? Get Real.
Plus contact and droplet transmission with others going through the airport. Air plane is small contained room similar to interview room.
Yes but with all due respect Jared Diamond is a drooling hack whose whole purpose is to curry favour with the elites by rubbishing any notions of European exceptionalism and praising any features of non-European cultures that might conceivably be spun into a form amenable to progressivist prejudices.
Europe had been an open culture, trading with peoples across asia minor, africa and even the far east, for its whole history -- of course it had accumulated diseases from across the whole of the then-known world, and its population had gained (partial) immunities to them by the only means possible, viz. by lots of people dying in the past.
The American indians on the other hand hadn't had any contact with anyone outside north america for thousands of years.
In sum: bigots mourn amerindian deaths from "european" (i.e., world) illnesses, while ignoring the fact that the europeans themselves must have died in similar if not greater numbers, though over a much longer period, in order to acquirew their partial immunities.
I hope it snows soon. A decent snow cover could slow the zombies down during the initial expansion phase.
Flu goes up in winter because people are inside and together more.
Only if you hang out with school parents.
watch out below hospital stocks.
debt cascade when hodspital cleaners walk off jobs.
How about insurance companies? How about when their balance sheets liquify and bleed out, Ebola style.
Ya shoulda blurred his face a tad, in order to match the background better (or, stick a bone thru his nose, that works for me!) :>D
The standard position for people in power is to maintain the perception of having control and a plan.
The larger the Org in question, the higher are the odds of the bureaucracy having absorbed people with dubious ability or value.
Most companies and orgs will not reveal their real agenda or real goals until they choose to, lest people front-run them and make their agenda and plans impossible to accomplish. E.g. "There will be no more layoffs". Until there are.
Hedge and plan accordingly.
This seems what we're dealing with.
Nothing to worry about here. Move along.
The CDC making a statement huh? Didn't it just come out through a whistle blower they had been lying about vaccine toxicity and effects?
So how is it they can be taken at their word now? How does that work??
A Cow will always follow a Rancher to the butcher block, even if it watches him sharpen the Axe.
Frieden is a traitor against the people of the US. Arrest him and prosecute him for bioweapon terrorist activities.
Let me guess, something like... "We are 100% sure the hospital and its staff didn't follow our protocol and 100% sure that is AND ONLY IS the reason contagion is spreading. We are 100% sure this won't happen again."
Exactly!
Frieden stood over the staff as they removed their protective gear, taking copious notes as to how many clear and unambiguous "breaches" in protocol there were, and even made special mention of the infected nurse's infractions.
/SARC
Duncan first went to the Hospital September 26th, he was contagious then. He returned September 28th, he was still contagious. Just for shits-n-giggles, lets do some maths here. Basic maths. He was contagious prior to the 26th, thats why he went to the hospital, he was contagious on the 28th for sure and he continued to be contagious. Now given the incubation period until contagion, this nurse fell ill well before the incubation period. So, next week should be a good indicator as to how bad this will be. October 16th, 17th, and 18th are the dates that fall within the 21 day period. Seeing a couple cases a week early, isnt a good sign.
Of course, 21 days is the maximum incubation period. All incubation happens between 2 and 21 days. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubation_period
Im just going with the best case scenario here. Im not sure if Americans will have a better or worse immune system than an African who lives in abject squalor. From my understanding, dont vaccines make your immune system weaker during the vaccination stage? Especially in young chillrin who are constantly being vaccinated? Just wondering.
Even if it is true that a mistake led to mass infections, its like, ok so your plan will work as long as everybody always does their job 100 percent perfect, and if any one person makes a tiny mistake, it all fails and the disease gets out?!
Shouldn't there be redundancies and additional personel to provide more layers, so at least 2 or 3 people have to make a mistake for the disease to get out?
It's a very large problem that dealing with this virus requires NO LAPSES AT ALL. Errors are being made all over the place.
Tyler, half the screen is covered by the advertising banner. Any chance?
JC everything on ZH is covered by an advertising banner...
Go download adblock.
For my phone?
Try Ghostery. It's a browser addin as well as a browser available I believe for both iOS and android phones.
Thanks! Those adds cover half of the screen on my phone...
Use Firefox with add-ons Adblock Plus and Flashblock. If you have an iPhone, AdBlock for iOS takes the headaches out of viewing web sites with misbehaving ads.
I don't understand why advertizers insist on deploying badly behaved advertizing. My reaction is to either use things like Adblock Plus or just avoid the web site, and I sure as hell won't buy their product or service.
Forward (over the cliff)!
Likewise. I simply close the browser. The response those advertizers are creating is just the opposite of the intended.
Yes, on the right side, ending with the Sponsored Financial Content list. This is something new. Was never a problem before.
"We got this." "You can't catch this by sitting next to someone on a bus."
No need to panic, IF an outbreak occurs proceed in an orderly fashion to your nearest FEMA camp. Bring all valuables, including cash and gold for safekeeping. Deposit all firearms at the gate.
This second case of Ebola was caused by concern of a potential economic slowdown in Europe.
It's all fake! CNN and NYT caught using crisis actors! Check out victims "father" walking away with a wad of cash. What won't be fake is the vaccine, the idiots who line up first will be the ones to start the real pandemic.
Good luck with getting people to listen. Every ebola article is completely littered with the comments of fear trolls. I wish they would freak enough to get on over to their hidey holes and shut up. Its mind numbing...
Get back to caring for your 27 filthy, diseased cats in your cat piss soaked apartment, crazy cat 58 year old virgin spinstress.
Or more accurately, gov sockpuppet (3rd of 167 virtual IDs).
It's all fake!
No, it isn't.
And the injuries at the Boston Marathon bombing weren't fake, either, and neither were the deaths at Sandy Hook, regardless of separate questions as to potential prior government involvement or incompetence and/or propagandizing.
Most of the "crisis actors" stuff is paranoid false positives (two people looking similar will look the same if your bias is to expect it - why would a govt op use the same people for fuck's sake?), at best, and active disinfo at worst.
If you think hundreds of doctors, nurses, police, EMT and witnesses were in on some conspiracy to fake bombing or shooting injuries you're a goddamned idiot.
You can ignore weird shit but that doesn't make the weird shit go away.
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Haha, so you were FOOLED by "Robbie Parker's" bargain basement crisis acting, huh? Go ahead, get in line for your vaccine. We'll see who the idiots are.
I don't know anything about Parker, but I've noted the insane theories people like you came up with for Boston [specifically meaning that the injuries were fake]
I was in Boston. I know the "truthers" are not only wrong, but can't be bothered talking to any number of treating personnel. Yes, just my word - but there were hundreds of witnesses to real bloody injuries at some of the best hospitals in the country.
It's either paranoia or an attempt to smear all conspiracy theories. But the claim as to fake injuries in Boston is not only false - anyone not sure can easily find out. But they can't be bothered doing anything but assuming fake injuries and accusing everyone who disagrees of being in on it or a 'disinfo agent.'
Sorry to burst your bubble - you're either overly paranoid, or you're actually deliberately poisoning the well of all "conspiracy" theories and truths.
Just because they're after you, don't mean you're not paranoid.
Phallic Crusader:
You are wasting your time talking to the "everything is fake" idiots. No amount of on site, personal experience will ever overcome their YouTube video links "proving" everything is fake.
I have yet to have a person tell me in simple, direct fashion exactly how 911 was faked, what exactly was faked or who exactly faked it.
They will respond with dozens of links and tell you to go do your own research; they will ask dozens of questions and demand that YOU answer THEIR questions - but they will never, ever, man up and answer mine.
Enough here. I'm going fishing. Be back tonight hopefully with a load of fake catfish.
Ah yes, a member for 15 weeks, 4 days. This is Fight Club and you just poked us in the eye AGAIN. You ready? On the day of the BB there was a DRILL going on simulating mass trauma from a bomb detonation. Apparently you did not see the pictures of the actors preparing their fake injuries under cover of the smoke from the flash-bomb (that's all it was). You mention EMTs. There were some top-notch EMTs present, that's for sure! Like the one who put "Jeff Bauman" (who was a paraplegic BEFORE BB) in a WHEELCHAIR!!!! Sure, basic first-aid says put the guy who just had his legs blowed off in a wheelchair so that "the cowboy" could, um, er, could what? Wheel him over to an ambulance? Wouldn't they drive the ambulance TO him? And not a drop of blood on the wheelchair nor a trail behind. He must have bled out- but he's still conscious! WOW!!! As for Sandy Hook, where to begin? Birth and Death Certificates are public domain. Take the names of the SH alleged dead and search the CT database. They aren't there. You must not have seen the picture of Gene Rosen (shivers) with a mobile sign behind him which read: ALL VISITORS MUST CHECK IN. Check in? To a school shooting? It was a DRILL!!! On the morning of 9/11/01 air traffic controllers in the US were engaged in a DRILL which simulated hijacked planes being flown into buildings. Can you imagine the confusion when it went live? Do you believe Oswald shot JFK with magic bullets? Is there anything you won't believe?
"If you think hundreds of doctors, nurses, police, EMT and witnesses were in on some conspiracy to fake bombing or shooting injuries you're a goddamned idiot."
9-11 PROVED that conspiracy is a FACT, not a theory.
The livestock must be kept in their corrals if the elites are to safely confiscate what remains of their wealth and property.
It doesn't matter how much this program costs, since the trillions are being printed and livestock are the ones that ultimately pay for it. The government's resources are substantially unlimited.
It's impossible to determine what is truth and what is false in every disaster. The government and its media feed on that.
Is anything not a conspiracy?
I swear thats crisis actor going by the name of Richard Martinez trying to not look at the camera in this picture. http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2j284m/my_neighbor_is_the_nurse_th... looks like another guy there trying to memorise his lines.
Dr. Tom Frieden = Lying piece of shit. There is going to be a high price on this guy's head from family members of vicitims!
Queue the lying.
Ebola is the CBs version of "Operation Vigilant Guardian"?...
Anybody see this exercise coming?!!!
No worries!...
TLAC to the rescue!!!
No mention of shutting down travel to the third world hellholes that spawn this problem.
They are trying to 'ease' us into martial law so we will already be on lockdown when the banks close and the dollar is destroyed.
"Never let a crisis go to waste."