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Why Airport Screening Won't Stop Ebola, The Economist Explains
Originally posted at The Economist,
Those who got sick, and there were many, developed large, dark blisters that oozed pus and blood. Later came fever and bloody vomiting. Long before Ebola, there was the Black Death, which killed millions in the 14th century. And as with Ebola, nervous officials tried to keep the sick from entering their cities. Venetian authorities held ships at bay for 40 days—hence the word quarantine—to check for infections. Still, the disease ravaged the republic. Today countries are screening air passengers arriving from the places affected by Ebola. Will these efforts prove more effective?
Ebola has killed more than 4,000 people, nearly all of them in west Africa. But the threat to countries outside the region became clear when a Liberian man, Thomas Duncan, was diagnosed with the disease in America. He probably contracted it while helping an infected woman in Liberia. He then hopped on a plane to America. Mr Duncan died in Dallas on October 8th, the same day American officials announced that travellers from the countries hardest hit by Ebola—Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone—would be questioned about their health, travel and contact with the sick, and have their temperatures taken at five large airports. Quarantine is an option for those suspected of being ill. A day later Britain announced that it would screen travellers from these countries at Heathrow and Gatwick airports (and two rail terminals). African and Asian countries have been screening air passengers for months, with some using infrared cameras to detect fevers. This is in addition to the screening of all departing air travellers in the affected countries.
Some governments are dusting off measures that were previously used to combat the spread of bird flu and the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS). But David Heymann, a professor at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, says screening did not stop those diseases and it is unlikely to stop Ebola. Consider Mr Duncan, who did not have a fever when leaving Liberia, nor when landing in America. He only developed symptoms a week later. American officials admit that the new screening procedures would not have caught him. It can take up to 21 days for someone to show signs of Ebola. Passengers who wish to avoid quarantine, especially in African Ebola wards, or receive treatment in the West, may also lie. Mr Duncan did not tell Liberian officials that he had been in contact with the sick.
During the SARS outbreak, some air passengers took painkillers to reduce their temperatures. Others may not know that they are infected, and infrared scanners are not always reliable. "I would expect a handful of cases in the next few months," warned Sally Davies, Britain's chief medical officer, after the screening measures were announced.
Screening may at least calm people down, however. Notwithstanding the bungled effort to diagnose and treat Mr Duncan in Texas, where a health-care worker has also tested positive for the disease, developed countries are well-equipped to contain Ebola. The announcement of screening has focused minds. It is also a measured response—not as economically painful as a full travel ban, or as inconvenient as mass screening. But the best way to stop Ebola from spreading, say health experts, is to drain the reservoir of the disease, which means tackling it in west Africa. Doing that presents an entirely different set of challenges. When it comes to stopping Ebola, the rich world's self-interest aligns neatly with the needs of the developing world. But countries in a position to help have been slow to act.
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Reading through the comment section has made me feel feverish and achy.
Listen.
Nice kitty, nice. Easy now. No scratching.
You are already raping that poor puppy into infinity. Leave the pussy alone Monkey boy!
OH!
I'm dead. Ebola killed me last week. Add that to your list.
Why aren't the other countries in Africa, especially the ones on the Gulf of Guinea, without ebola cases? It strains credulity to suggest there are adequate border controls in Gabon, Cameroon, and Ivory Coast for example.
Something doesn't smell right.
Customs and Border Patrol is staffed by thugz with guns who are scared shitless of catching Eeeeeeeebola in the first and last case.
In Cameroon, ebola never made it from Lagos or Port Harcourt to the border region region in Nigeria where the thugz with guns are more scared of, and currently battling... Boko Haram (or Al-CIAda/Ansar al-Sharia/ISIS/AFRICOM depending on one's philosophical bent).
Hanlon certainly had a point, but sometimes a gun can also be an effective hammer.
I'll take this one...its easy.
Major oil producing regions.
http://www.infowars.com/doctor-u-s-army-rejected-successful-ebola-drug-2...
“The inescapable conclusions of negligence or corruption or both cannot be simply swept aside for the sake of political correctness when the lives of every one of us are at stake,” writes Davis, adding, “Ebola is real. It is here, now. There is no more time to waste.”
How can anyone stop the spread of Ebola when the powerful people pulling the strings are hell bent on spreading it around the world? Evil zioplanner j's are heading the cdc and Ebola czar positions. We're fucked.
Complete nonsense
Pro Tip:
Hibiclens. Surgeons scrub with it. You should too. Get it, while you can...
Ditto masks, nitrile gloves, protective waterproof outerwear with taped seams.
Stuff is going fast folks. We are still in the "you have nothing to worry about. All is well" window and it is closing. Going, going.....gone.
http://www.hibiclens.com/retail
Chlorhexidene gluconate is the active ingredient in Hibiclens; there are other skin prep/disinfectants that contain CHG.
Benzalkonium Chloride is another skin disinfectant.
Chlorine bleach will be the best bet. Dry/powder will last longer than liquid sodium hypochlorite. NaOCl gradually degrades over time and can lose more than 50% of activity in 30 days stored in a hot environment. Clorox is around 4-6%; "pool chlorine" is usually 8-10%.
If you go to a pool supply store, go to the chemical section and look for dry spa/pool shock. Find the brand that has the highest concentration of sodium dichloroisocyanurate. Some brands are 90-95%. A tablespoon in a 5 gallon bucket with water makes a disinfectant solution.
looks that way. about the tribe and the power system. guess nobody else is qualified or smart enough. they are the smartest tribe, right? and they have everybody elses interest in the forefront - as evidenced by their love of assimilating with the rest of us.
Worse than that. The new 'zsar', Ron Klain's wife is an acolyte of the Eugenics monster John P. Holdren who is Obama's 'science adviser.' Holdren is a Rockefeller Bros. Foundation eugenics pimp. He has written extensively about controlling the population through poisoning the food and water supply with brain damaging chemicals to sterilize you, dumb you down, and give you cancer to cull the population. These programs are in progress right now apparently with his direction.
Obama gonna put the National Guard on the streets with orders to shoot to kill any Ebola they see.
"But Sarge - I thought it was an Ebola!"
"That's OK kid - it coulda been. Ya never know with them Ebolas. Sometimes they dress up like people to fool ya. Better safe than sorry."
They're going to need a lot of sharpshooters and a lot of ammo. Those Ebolas are damned small.
PEW PEW PEW PEW! I GOT FOUR OF 'EM CAPTAIN!
LIBERIA HAS OIL. LOTS OF OIL.
Oil that's sold in USDs and supports the Petrodollar. Oil that's sold to the US. It's a Complex Systems of Oil, Dollars and Geopolitics. YOU connect the dots, the players and the complex interactions.
No need to panic, they've already got an ex-banker running the country.
Lots of Palm OIl....
You sure about that? I knew Nigeria had lots of oil but the only thing I know of that Liberia makes is certificates for flag-of-convenience ships anxious to avoid First World maritime laws.
If Ebloa ever makes it to India, look out.
600 million people defecate in the open & half don't have toilets...
Talk about shit hitting the fan
http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201410161002-0024264
Listen Soros.
How about shut it for once? Enough of the anti-Bangalorians!
Read the race discrimination policy.
Race: Indian!
Indians aren't genetically a race. They are considered Caucasiod.
...... not sure that qualifies as race discrimination, and brother he ain't lyin on any points - though I suspect the average Indian immune system can withstand a lot more than the average Walmart shoppers due in large part to those very conditions.......
......aptly covered here...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo
take the double size bottle
of ciprofloxacin with you
if you go any where near india
Complete failure, as you perfectly well know if you actually are a Indian national.
Listen subcontinental dude,
You spend all your time banging on whitey in the USA and then want to shout about evil racism. Go back to the Third World hive mind and report your sorrows to the queen.
She'll tell you to get your lazy ass back to work and quit whining. The bitch needs nectar and you are way behind on your quotas.
No. Bangalore actually has spent an inordinate amount of time banging on the melanin enhanced members of the Human Race in this Nation on many different occassions.
It is called Race Baiting.
He is TROLLING FOR RESPONSES.
It does not matter. The problem is that Pakistan, as I write, is preparing for a Preemptive Nuclear Strike upon India according to my sources.
http://pro.moneymappress.com/EADZERO39/EEADQA73/
He will not be around for long. And...Neither will we.
Nuclear Winters, famine, and pestillence is a bitch.
He needs to be either digging a Fallout Shelter, his grave, or both.
Instead he wastes his time TROLLING on Zerohedge.
God forbid Ebola hits China as most there have no toilets also and have an evelated population density..
OMG...I must be anti Asian because I report facts and demonstrate a concern.
Playing the racist card on the previous post was just...too...er...uh...just like Obama and his administration.
Are you sure that you are not masquerading, Bangalore?
Are you Barrack Obama?
The US military has a little gadget that can detect Ebola and bunch of other things by checking DNA/RNA sequences thru tiny blood sample, in about 10 minutes, with 90% accuracy.
The Pesby hosp in TX actually had one sitting right there, on a shelf in storage, at the time of Duncan's vist. But FDA only says it can only be used for "research" at this time. I say, use the damn thing.
90% accuracy? Better repeat that test. At least once.
Do the 10% false negatives have a 90% detection rate on the repeat test or does the reason for the false negative cause them to keep testing negative?
Right Mesquite +1
PTB already have vaccines just as the PTB had Anthrax / ciprio before the Darth Cheney anthrax scare of 9-11
Ebola: Very Crafty, False-Flag Vaccination-Blackmail? (12310)
Here's CCN;s take ...some good 'ole Obola propagnda
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/17/us/ebola-provocative-quotes/
What a disgusting little propaganda piece that was.
The Ebola Czar will get right on this? Doubtful.
"We know that the responsible Authorities violated acceptable protocols which require the cutting-off travel from areas of infection to isolate the infected from transmission Vectors.
"The most negligent thing any nation’s health authorities can do is to provide a free ticket for a lethal virus like Ebola into America. Unless a federal National Emergency is declared, all health matters lie within the authority of each individual state."
Ebola: Very Crafty, False-Flag Vaccination-Blackmail?
"Some have argued that Ebola panic is a manufactured Hoax because the virus (whatever it is) is a manufactured, deployed bio-warfare virus included in Injections in Africa, with victims set into America and told they can receive treatment here. As many remember there were many who believed that HIV/AIDS was included in the Hepatitis B vaccine trials given to homosexuals in San Francisco, Miami and New York and also in small pox vaccines given in Africa.
"Is this a replay of prior covert operations to cull the human herd? Is this so-called Ebola or whatever it is just another staged, engineered bio-warfare agent deployed against the human masses to thin the herd? You might wonder could there be a secret bio-warfare cell deep inside the Secret Shadow Government that is this evil to purposely create and spread such a bio-weapon agent in a well planned attempt to mass-murder millions of humans? Now if you dig deep enough you will find that yes this kind of secret cell has existed at Plum Island in the past where Lyme Disease was created by Dr. Erik Traube, a Nazi bio-weapons expert who specialized in using ticks to spread bio-weapons."
And the answer to that hypothetical question is YES. They are that evil.
The Economist, the rag that is owned by the CIA and has played such a central role in the demonization of Putin? Anything that the Economist prints has been cleared by Langley:
A July 26 editorial in the Economist declared Putin to be the author of MH17’s destruction, while the magazine ghoulishly superimposed Putin’s face over a spider web on its front cover, denouncing Putin’s “web of lies.”
Anyone comparing the media’s demonization of Putin with their treatment of Saddam Hussein or Muammar Gaddafi had to conclude that Washington was launching a campaign for regime change in Russia like those it carried out in Libya and Iraq—this time, recklessly pushing the United States towards war with a nuclear-armed power, Russia.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/08/18/ukmh-a18.html
Since the beginning of the week, the three most influential mass circulation newsmagazines of the United States, Britain, and Germany—Time, The Economist, and Der Spiegel—have published cover stories that combine wild accusations against Vladimir Putin with demands for a showdown with Russia.
The most striking and obvious characteristic of these cover stories is that they are virtually identical. The CIA has scripted them all. The stories employ the same insults and the same fabrications. They denounce Putin’s “web of lies.” The Russian president is portrayed as a “depraved” mass murderer
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/pers-j30.html
A poster here noted that if they actually find someone with a temperature, they are going to pull them to the side and then what? Will they have hazmat suits on when they proceede with the rest of the examination? And if they actually did find they had Ebola at that time? Maybe someone else is there in the waiting area who does not have it but will get it? The examiner will get it? Will they instantly quarantine the area after the person has been taken away by the the hazmat team? The poster's point was that airports do not have the kinds of facilities in place to handle it if they do have a real "hot" situation and the processes they do have are likely to help the disease spread.
Any article talking about how airport screening won't work, should have addressed some of these clusterfucky kinds of realities. Instead, it pulled the punch.
Sounds like the screanings are just for show. Like they don't expect to find a hot case. Na. that doesn't make sense.
I would take the above two posts and take it one step further, as in the screeners taking the temperature stuff - particularly in Africa, but actually anywhere -have a great incentive to just shrug everything off and let everyone go.
As Ms just referred to the other commentator's thoughts, there is very strong disincentive for any low paid screener to want tohave any but the most minimal interaction with a potential Ebola patient.
Read the above posting by things that go bump regarding the lab tech on the Carnival cruise. Who of you all, reading these words, wants to put themselves in that position?
Great observations and thanks for directing my attention to Bump's posts.
Back to a critique of this article, given what you have added to the mix, even more so, it is clear that either folks have no imagination to ask themselves, "what next" or they are deliberately not exploring the issue in real depth. The author has pulled the punch horribly, might as well not have written it.
Ms., you may have actually started to approach a much bigger view of this entire Ebola situation. I think we all can clearly recognize the incredible number of inconsistencies, incongruities, and downright bizarre actions/inactions that have occurred these past several months. An attempt to successfully understand what is occurring may at this point in time simply be beyond our capabilities.
I was going to respond to both iridium's and urban redneck's post up above, but at this point I probably will not except to point out what appears to me a growing amount of "poisoning the well" with a whole array of alternative theories that may validate more and more the observation of Winston Churchill, also above.
Your know, a feller doesn't need be the smartest in the room to be first to figure out the problem......only needs to think about it more than anyone else.
The internet is the Collective Borg Hive thinking, thinking, and concluding that our government is deliberately trying to crash the system. But that seems so self-contradictory.
It's impossible to fathom all the motivations. Don't get caught up in that. Only, it's inconceivable that an honest government would allow--nay, encourage--unrestricted travel to this country from West Africa. To the contrary, that we have a federal gubmint at all is because we need to be able to protect ourselves as a people when this sort of thing arises. It is perhaps one of the few most legitimate reasons to have a federal gubmint at all.
So they try to tell us that experts know better, and it's too risky/dangerous/ignoble/whatever to impose travel restrictions. Everyone knows that's complete bullshit. So what in the world is the real, underlying motivation? Let's just not worry about it--it's obviously crap, and impossible at this time to figure out. All sorts of nefarious reasons come to mind--none immediately provable, so I'm not worrying about it. Our gubmint wishes us dead. That's my conclusion. I don't need to know the reason at this point.
I bet Denver Airport does.
Creepy NWO temple of death. I hate that place.
"Listen".
+1
Obama's church in Chicago preached and promoted black liberation theology. BLT is an "Afrocentric" and Marxist doctrine. It's not like we didn't know what we were getting.
Obama has expressed contempt for suburban white flight and how it leaves inner city blacks at an economic disadvantage. The government solution to this perceived injustice is Section 8 housing and other programs that target white areas for intensive diversification.
Obama is showing the same contempt for the white middle class by facilitating the importation of diseased third worlders from Africa and Central America. If we can't solve the problems of West Africa, Obama will see that their problems become our problems in the US through immigration and open borders.
Integrationists always promise solutions, but only succeed in spreading the misery and hopelessness.
I've been wondering why our military is so readily going along with sending 4000 regular troops, and perhaps many retired troops, on a mission that is clearly not for the benefit of Americans. My guess is that they are terrified that this will spread to Asia, the Middle East and South America. If that happens, all bets are off.
Those populations, like ours, have developed no immunity from frequent exposures. If it spreads in huge, dense biologically naive populations, it could make the West African experience look like a walk in the park. Compare Liberia (4.3 million) with India (1.2 billion). Think of the population density of e.g. Bangladesh.
Plus, it is probably an extra nasty version. Perhaps our military has some reason to know that.
Well, this is a charitable guess. Though it's pretty bad when your "charitable" guess, involves the assumption that our military doesn't give a crap about actual Americans (including the untrained, unprotected plebes they are sending over), compared with their abstract concern with world stability.
I demand to know why the economist published this explanation without using cartoons!
Budget cuts, they had to go to pulp.
Where's "Miffed Microbiologist"? She's been suspiciously absent/silent for weeks now. Got some hard FAQs for her.
In the meantime, for those who are mathematically inclined and love playing Excel games, here are some good links you can use to make your Excel models...
1. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su6303a1.htm? Notice Chart 4, and its Frequency Distribution for Incubation Periods. Stunning!
2. http://motherboard.vice.com/read/this-math-model-is-predicting-the-ebola-outbreak-with-incredible-accuracy
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic_model
4. http://cabtes55.cnea.gov.ar/estadistica/abramson/notes/Epidemics-Lectures-PANDA.pdf
5. http://plus.maths.org/content/mathematics-diseases
A number of bloggers have used simple compounding models to arrive at (scary!) predictions. As these References show, there are a number of different models used to make "Educated Projections". The more complex models represent reality closest, and thus make best projections.
Mathematical navel gazing aside, what I find scary (and telling) are the results and assumptions that are associated with (a) Reliable Vector Tracking, and (b) the short incubation periods of Chart 4 above. What's FAR more scary than the Long Tails, are the Short Incubation periods, that threaten to overwhelm EVERYTHING.
If that scenario ever develops -- we reach the steep part of the compounding curve, then Containment & Treatment is no longer an option. We then have to shift to Isolation (Keep your distance!), Lockdowns (No one moves from where they are!), and Mass Funerals (Mass Cremation!) after it has burned itself out. / Any old Nazis still around to consult on the latter? /sarc
LOL, one of your links was from some lectures that I used to attend. I missed that one though.
First, you are wrong...Miffed is not gone...yet. Please review her comments. She has 'reduced' her time as I am sure she is forumatling and preparing. You should be doing the same if you haven't and not worrying about math/stats....it is what it is...
I don't want to speak for Miffed, but she posted about a week ago, and was dealing with some 'real life' issues with her horses. We wish her all the best with that.
Thanks jerry and humble man! I am still here but just trying to focus more on my personal preps. This Ebola has come way too close to home and has pushed me into shoring up things if I must make a hasty departure from work. I have violated a cardinal rule, don't go into debt. These things I would have done anyway at some point but I feel my window of opportunity may be closing.
The stress of this is incredible. I am so humbled for the kind words people have shown me here. Yes, this will always be Fight Club but I am so grateful for the kindness at this point in my life. If I have given anyone as much as I have received, I am truly happy.
I do have some good news and bad news. It looks like I may have found a home for one of my horses. I think some people must have sent me some good energy because I've got four possible people who are showing interest when there was nothing. The bad news is no one will take the much older horse and he cannot be alone if his buddy is gone. He will be put down this Wednesday. This will be a very hard time for me and any thoughts and prayers at this time will be so appreciated.
In friendship,
Miffed
Prayers for you, Miffed.
Hugs, Miffed! Relieved beyond words to "see" you, but so sorry about your personal experiences. So grateful for your real life sharing of scientific expertise. Stay safe, be well.
MMWR was my favorite nighttime read until I noticed I was having a lot of screaming nightmares. Great publication to pinpoint emerging epidemics. I think I like their modeling best rather than simple mathematical modeling that can be very limited extrapolating useful projections.
Isn't it so cool we have an identified index patient in this country so we can track this initial event and see the progression in real time! Wow, what fun. How much data they will glean from their human experimentation. Nazis.
Miffed
Thanks for the information.
Who projected 1,000,000 infections by January and has seems to have rejected the model at motherboard.vice.com which is projecting a burnout.
But I did learn that R0 = 2 for Western African Nations and R0 = 1.5 in the USA.
The unfortunate part about models is that they are data dependent. If garbage data is fed in then...well you know.
I do not trust Nigerian reporting.
I read on Yahoo this morning that the 50 people that were under observation from contacts with Thomas Duncan were to be "released" from supervision THIS MORNING. Today is October 19. (Has it been three weeks already?)
Maybe we have dodged a bullet? (I do not think so...The calm before the storm, perhaps?)
So I will continue to err on the side of caution and prudence. That is the most reasonable option.
Thanks for the links.
Noticed that a health care worker who got infected didn't quarantine him/herself until a 21 day paid leave was authorized.
It's funny (sad really) that Nerobola talked about temperature screening was the answer he gave us in response to a man who came to America and wouldn't of been stopped by temperature screenings. It took me about 4 tenths of a second from hearing 'temperature screenings' to figure out Duncan would have passed such screenings.
Why did Nerobola not make the connection? Why did the media not immediately call him on it? We all know the answer to that one. Just another blatant case of it. Anyways....
Actually 2 percent of ebola cases appear AFTER 21 days.
Some say up to 42 days, and who knows, it may be possible that's just the longest reported and not the longest possible.
Also some say it can live in the sperm for 70 days.
Finally at what point do people who have recovered from Ebola, no longer a 'typhoid mary'?
The temp guns re not accurate at ll. I had a relative in the hospital with an elevated temp with a high white blood cell count. The guns were up to two degrees off when compared to the oral thermometer readings. The doc finally prohibited the use of the guns in her case. Also aspirin would indeed bring her temp down to normal for several hours. She recovered fully, but point is use of the guns s a screening tool is pretty much useless.
Proper Equipment would be quality devices that can be, and actually are... CALIBRATED.
However, spot surface temperatures are inherently unreliable to begin with, so you really need a quality thermal imaging camera to get a decent and reliable picture.
........ I regularly get scanned when passing through HKG; typically they have screening stations set up to scan passengers coming off the aircraft and yes they use TI camera units but these will typically give a relative indication and presumably lead to further more accurate interviews and checks in addition they typically broadcast notices over the PA to report any ill feeling to the various health monitoring stations around the airport - overall a reasonable response I think, they don't wait for a crisis as they seem well aware there is always a crisis going on somewhere in the world and you never know when some schmuck is going to come a knockin ......... ok so there is that.....
...... but what about the folks who take Tylenol tm to control a fever, how does this affect the scanners????........ best laid plans I guess
It's this kind of mathematical logic that is going to fuck up all the planning to further strip our rights as needed.
Stop it!!!!
don't worry about dr. weinstein at dallas presbyterian. he had the top notch ebola gear provided to him. the nurses didn't, but then they are just stupid non joo nobodies. fuck 'em, he is a smart joo and they ain't.
Ebola, AIDS Manufactured by Western Pharmaceuticals, US DoD?http://www.liberianobserver.com/security/ebola-aids-manufactured-western-pharmaceuticals-us-dod
Exclusive: Former flight surgeon had been working with Ft. Detrick to develop treatmentA doctor claims that he developed a successful drug to combat Ebola with the U.S. Army at Ft. Detrick Maryland but that the research was inexplicably shut down two weeks before the first outbreak of the virus in West Africa.
Richard C. Davis, M.D., a former flight surgeon with the U.S. Navy, told Infowars that he was leading a project to develop a drug called RC-2Beta, which according to Davis works, “at the core of our cells to enhance mitochondrial efficiency and promote gene signaling to stimulate cellular self-repair and pathogen destruction.”
In the fall of 2013, Davis’ company began collaborating with the US Army at their Level 4 bioweapons facility at Ft. Detrick, Maryland to develop the drug, with astounding success.
According to Davis, the drug “Killed four of the world’s deadliest viruses in a dose-dependent fashion. The Army also noted that uninfected cells in the same cultures were untouched by the drug (i.e., it was non-toxic).”
“Everyone was very excited about these results since there has never been a broad-spectrum anti-viral drug that killed so many different viruses without affecting normal (uninfected) cells in this way,” writes Davis.
However, after the Army initially indicated to Davis and his team that they were ready to move ahead quickly with further testing, communication completely ceased.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/doctor-u-s-army-rejected-successful-ebola-d...
The African genocide...I haven't seen such resilient genocidees since the holocaust.
I'd argue that it's not so much of an "African genocide", as the ratcheting up of the "peacemeal WW3".
They're prepping for the real thing -- an all out ABC war -- and need to do Beta testing. What "better" place than central Africa? OTOH, if they did clear out a large part of Africa, they'd clear out the Competition (Russia and China) from playing there also. Their respective Arms sales nosedive, as do their ability to get Oil and other resources for a resource-hungry China.
Yesterday Obama appointed a 'Czar' who was not in the two-hour WH meeting. Today (Sat) Obama just said there will be no travel ban. So I guess if the new Czar determines there is a need for for a ban Obama will fire him?
How do we know this crisis is real?
Comprehensive action. If its fake, real, somewhere in between it doesn't matter. You come up with a plan that covers all eventualities and provides for all your priorities. If you wait to respond as the situation evolves then you will be behind the curve. Pay the opportunity cost upfront.
When a kid at your local high school gets infected. Then it will be real.
Before we knw it new reservoirs of Ebola will be created in various parts of the world and these have the potential to cause economic ebola.
Someone above asked regarding Mr. Duncan's relatives - the children who came in contact with him and go to 4 or 5 different schools in the Dallas area too, I would also suspect.
In addition to these people, there is rather conspicuous absence of the conditions/details of the following people:
- The EMT personnel who spirited Mr. Duncan to Texas Presb. shortly after his sidewalk vomiting fit.
- The sheriff's deputy/s who were ordered into Duncan's apartment - sans bunny suits.
- Ms. Pham's (Nurse Zero), boyfriend who it seems is being either watched/already admitted and/or quarantined (a prudent move, by the way).
Whatever the situation is with these people, word Will Get Out, one way or another. All I can tell you is this: If that nurse (Nina Pham) doesn't make it, all HELL is going to break loose - not from the disease, but from the FUCKING LIES, both from this administration, AND the people coming over from that Turd-world Cesspool of abject ungoverning Failure, who are LYING so they can get here and get a jump on their fellow poor saps who are laying in thatch huts, largely because in 2014, they are Still Unable to Govern Themselves...
FUNNY HOW IT'S NOT AIRBORNE BUT THE DOCTORS ALL WEAR "BUNNY SUITS"
From the expert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u08u8GA_rg
Obama wanted to be a movie star! That's what's up here.
So, neither the FED nor the TSA can stop Ebola?
Holy mother fuck.
Not to worry. The neutron bomb is effective against Ebola.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/obamas-war-on-ebola-or-war-for-oil-sending-3000-troops-to-african-ebola-areas-that-happen-to-export-oil-to-china/5406142
Black Death was transmitteed by fleas.... so keeping people out of cities was not effective.
Ebola is being spread by humans... so keeping them out IS AN EFFECTIVE MEANS OF ISOLATING THE VIRUS...
PLUS LET'S NOT FORGET TO THANK THE CORRUPT CRONY NO BID CONTRACT CDC awarded to SIGA Ron Pereleman a contract for an ebola cure and denying one to the firm that produced ZMAPP... $500 million wasted on a company being sued for patent infringement, but NO VACCINE... A Solyndra redux... spend baby spend on big campaign contributors.
Now the fucking idiot boy in charge says he knows what he is doing.... yes he does... he is putting the ussa at risk due to his "i am king of the world delusional mentality", punish amerika, big hug to africa at taxpayer expense and national security risk... asshole
shit for brains had no problem cutting off flights to israel damaging them economically, but cant stop a deadly virus from spreading under the guise it will damage africa ....
Actually, the nature of cities back around 1350 meant that keeping out of cities was effective. Rats were attracted to the filth of rubbish and open sewers. If you had a country estate, you were less likely to be exposed to fleas if you fled there.
If you could travel back in time to 1345 Europe and go back into a city, I bet one of the first, if not the first thing that you would notice would be the stench.
i just biked down ninth avenue from 90 to 40 in manhattan. and today is only 70 degrees. think it smelled like roses?
with all the gym mentality and 'healthy' eating - do you think many/any of them looked happy or healthy?
Maybe not fleas.... http://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/viruses101/could_the_black_death_act...
More and more it seems like black death was a medieval Ebola type of virus.
ZMAPP slows down the ability of the virus to multiply so fast -- which overwhelms the body's defenses -- thus allowing the body enough time to create a defense to fight and kill it.
This might be "off the wall", but... If, say, you put the patient into a chemically-induced coma, would it offer any advantages to the body's defense? Or does it slow it down also? Just wondering.
Dr. House?
Closing the borders is the reason Nigeria gave for defeating the virus dude.
You want ebola people coming into your house. Go to Liberia to live. Go on. Get out of here.
Real-time full spectrum cavity searches with manual slide analysis of the results would alleviate 99 44/100% of the chances of it spreading
Let's let the TSA constumed agents that pretend to be "officers" switch to TSA costumed Obamacare healthcare employees and call them "doctors". Drop the fake cop uniform and throw them in a lab coat. Give them a speculum, some swabs and microscope. And let them run wild.
No need to give them hazmat suits because they're expendable. Plus they're stupid enough to get 15 an hour to stand next to a machine irradiating them to death all day anyway. They won't know the difference
Ted Rall's one-panel cartoon rendition of ebola airport screening (17 October):
Armpits Must Be DryOne thing that I find confusing is the idea that a travel ban from affected African states to the US or Western Europe would be somehow "economically painful" for the Western countries concerned.
Why exactly is it so economically important for Liberians to travel to the US? It is not as though Monrovia is an African Geneva, is it?
Foreign Technical Experts provide critical support to local industry. Coca Cola has promised to build a second plant in Liberia, I know one of their prime contractors over here and I would guess that it is going to be while before that factory breaks ground much less creates any jobs. Moreover, if there's a travel ban and something breaks an existing production line, or prevents exports from going out or experts coming in at Alcoa, Rusal, Glencore, ArcelorMittal, Rothschild, Newmont, Rangold, London Mining, IAMGOLD, Aureus Mining, Cocoa Cola, Dole, Nestle, Cargill, Firestone, Dreyfus, Mercuria, Gunvor, Trafigura, Exxon, Shell, Total, ENI, Hess, Tullow, or any of the other big Western interests, production (and thousands of jobs and tax revenues also come to a complete halt).
Then there's also the contributions of all these big bad corporate demons have been making to fight ebola and protect their investments in West Africa. But the Obozo media doesn't like to give credit to anyone other than their Dear Leader... (the NGOs are just as bad in this regard since the ebola survival rates at a lot of the corporate clinics are significantly higher than the survival rates at MSF and .gov treatment centers (ETUs, or FEMA camps in USSA speak).
West Africa: Companies Fill Gaps in Ebola Response
Thanks for the info. It explains a lot.
Can the "economist" explain why everything costs more and half the populaition is being paid not to work and the debt is increasing exponentially? When he can do that I will consider believeing his bullshit.
I used to subscribe to them until they ran a story about my own neck of the woods and on a subject I was intimately familiar with. I instantly realized that they were just a bunch of intern-level copy writers churning out stuff about which they knew nothing but which sounded reasonable to someone who knew nothing about the situation.
it's a banking mafia propaganda sheet
My way:
1. Institute ban on ALL travel to USA, by any meanns, from countries with ebola cases; stay THERE until no cases reported.
2. Anyone who enters USA and is later found to have ebola is immediately treated with fatal injection, along with all relatives & friends who did not report them immediately, sealed in plastic bags & burned, make video & publish WIDELY
These 2 measures will GREATLY reduce the incidence of these killer-disease carriers going to USA to get free treatments with "magic" drugs.
Completely agree, don't let anybody out of US, seal the border now!
Do not bring any oil tankers from West Africa to US, actually, don't bring anything to US.
Any American trying to avoid ebola by coming to Mexico must be shot immediately.
Fucking idiot.
I do apologize for the rude language but can't think of anything better.
"Any American trying to avoid ebola by coming to Mexico"
Thank you for the great laugh - only the brain-dead would go from America to Mexico to AVOID contagious disease - HA HA HA !!!!
Your whole country/culture is a disease ! I would also return all the illegal invaders to their origins in body bags.
I don't mind US returning ALL immigrants, but why they need to be in body bags?
US has been the brain drain recipient for decades, and of course for the cheap labour too.
But what's with this pathological wish to kill everybody?
I've been living in Mexico for 20 years, all the shit bugs and flues I used to get are absent for me here.
But yes, I got dengue ones, hazards of living in tropics.
So please seal the fucking border and keep your killer bug there.
"But what's with this pathological wish to kill everybody?"
"So please seal the fucking border and keep your killer bug there."
Answer: YOU primitive disease-infested socialist economic thieving parasites & hyper-breeding ghetto-creators are one of the "killer bugs" on society, sucking vast quantities of Americans' earnings thru entitlement programs and diluting the votes of Americans - THAT is the justification for eradicating you invaders.
Well, I've never got a penny from US and if you wish to send ALL immigrants back, fine with me, I got nothing to do with US.
But why do you want to kill everybody?
I've been working since 16 and studied between, no debt, no hard feelings to anybody, no government giving me any help.
Why you call me a "disease-infested socialist economic parasite"?
Again, please seal the fucking border and keep your shit there.
If true, then you are the exception and I salut you.
Last time I was in the USA Social Security office it was PACKED with Latin Americans applying for disability - they could not speak English, but they knew how to parasite off our economy and people. It is a FACT.
Keep your living shit there.
WTF you was doing there tough guy?
Peace brother, I have no plans what so ever to visit your Social Security Office.
"Keep your living shit there".
If you bothered to read my comments, I agree, and you also would understand I'm not Mexican, yet.
Now, same for you, keep your shit there.
Another foreigner who comes onto an American website to complain about how much he hates America.
Go find a Mexican ZH if you hate us so bad.
Live up to those high-minded principles you shout about and have nothing to do with us.
Not happening, is it?
"thieving parasites & hyper-breeding ghetto-creators are one of the "killer bugs" on society, sucking vast quantities of Americans' earnings thru entitlement programs"
That is a vere disrespectful way to talk about Pentagon and their friends.
"THAT is the justification for eradicating you invaders."
Are you going to be one of them doing the huge amount of killing needed??
If yes:
You are a sick fuck.
If not:
You are are a hypocrite and a fucking ZH weekend keaboard warrior.
What a sad little shit you are, no disrespect intended.
Speaking of bodybags, what happened to the bodies of those guys that were beheaded? Did they return them? Does anyone in the government care?
SocialismisCancer is a government-worshipping socialist to the core. Or a troll out for a laugh. Or both.
Mass murder of people just for crossing a border? Geez! You are a Nazi. A better solution is to reduce their benefits and give states increased responsibility for securing the border.
Apologize? This is zerohedge. We don't apologize - we just fling more poo.
Seriously, somewhere on the webpage it says that this website is for 18+ only.
Folks need to hide under their beds until this all blows over.
That strategy worked for our family for avian flu, swine flu, Y2K and a host of other catastrophes that wiped billions off the face of the Earth.
panic (up arrows)
calm (down arrows)
Panic = you can rely on DHS/customs to continue using communal screening methods like footpads, stop off places to take shoes off, long queues of people getting ids scanned by the same security people using the same readers, ebola ridden bags riding down the same belts used by entire airports
Calm = DHS is essential as we can spot ebola infected suicide "bombers" and prevent them using footpads, stop off places to take shoes off, long queues of people getting ids scanned by the same security people using the same readers, ebola ridden bags riding down the same belts used by entire airports
Panic = CDC has no idea how every infected person got to and from airports and all the direct interactions they had and all the wastes discharged over the ebola incubation period (now in the water everyone is drinking via sewage treatment plants) recycling plants for all recycled pizza boxes touched by the infected people plus anything else that was thrown out and is being recycled - bottles and such.
Calm = CDC knows how every infected person got to and from airports and all the direct interactions they had and all the wastes discharged over the ebola incubation period are not in the water everyone is drinking via sewage treatment plants which are guaranteed to kill ebola, recycling plants for all recycled pizza boxes touched by the infected people plus anything else that was thrown out and is being recycled - bottles and such, automatically kill ebola and any other germ that has ever existed or will ever exist.
I expect there are almost as many variations of these themes that bring directly into focus every physical security system in place to make them natural transmitters of ebola.
I don't think this is the killer tho. There needs to be a few evolutions yet. Mind you, if i thought I would die if I didn't get to a first world health care system, and I had the money, I would simply go to a destination that was not being screened. E.g. Leave Liberia and go to Morocco, then Spain then a nice flight to Paris or Amsterdam then a short hop home to meet the guys with the clipboards.
The Gubmint lies are getting bigger.
One of the lead articles on Yahoo states Barry's own consulting/research team told him awhile back the odds of Ebola coing to the USA are 25% ... while at the exact same time he and Freeden were spoutin gthe odds were very low.
panic or calm: my gut feeling is both. I think the current panic is over blown relative to the threat *if* the CDC acted sensibly, is still a bit over blown at the moment even though the CDC aren't acting sensibly (and won't because of PC) but I also have the feeling something dramatically bad may be coming as an unintended consequence. For example if the original threat was low even without quartantine I wonder if a much larger threat is going to be created by sending lots of people into the hot zone and getting them infected.
Shiiiooooooooooooot.
If it was not so unsportsmanlike and beneath you fine ladies and gentlemen.
You awesome DHS workers should bitchslap that little ol viry like a skeeter.
oBUMMER weasel said so.
One supposed death...... two infected. No additional for THREE days now. Just how many did the frickin media say had been exposed?????
We should be seeing dozens of cases by now. What have we got??? A big fat doughnut on that one.
Leave it to the government. Just as with everything else. Design a weaponized mass number killing disease, only to have it flop.
At least "this" failure is good for the people.
If you can't count to eight on both hands, try taking off your shoes.
Just Sayin'
the economist
is that owned by jacob rothschild or edwynes rothshields wife cannot quite rem member
what what
bollox tavistock mind control
Ebola Hoax: BUSTED CNN USING NEON GREEN SHIRThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgMwTST-fRQ&list=UU3xHAfZZqbMMWjc1ed1ajow
That's what ms rothy said.
"He does'nt remember a womans hiney!"
Guinea: "Health officials killed by mob who believed they were infecting people with the virus".
"On 17 September 2014 a mob of villagers killed an 'Ebola Awareness team' in a village about 900 km from Guinea's capital. The Guinea correspondent reported that locals attacked the team, which comprised local administrators, two medical officers, a preacher, and the three journalists.
According to the correspondent, the villagers instigated this attack because they thought Ebola "is a political lie orchestrated by the authorities and that the disease is not real." This follows previous riots in Nzérékoré in August after rumours that health officials who were disinfecting a market were infecting people with the virus."
One Guinea native said that Ebola is being spread by Doctors Without Borders, a charity with Zionist connections.
Is it coincidental that the death toll in Guinea stopped growing after these incidents prompted their government to stop sending in such 'teams'?
For those who haven't seen it yet. Water wells poisoned with probably paraformaldehyde in Africa:
http://www.liberianobserver.com/security/breaking-formaldeyde-water-alle...
If you live connected to a public water supply you better start thinking of alternatives.
And if you feel like a lemming then get a vaccination this year.
The death toll did not stop growing, the ability to measure the death toll ceased and thus the figures dropped.
No official will go to those areas to count bodies, so those bodies go uncounted.
When data stops coming in, is when things have gotten very bad - not better.
A drop in infection rates may mean just the opposite, UNLESS people are and can freely go to those areas - which they cannot and will not.
Zero supporting evidence. An opinion an nothing more?
I guess you have not been reading the stories from Liberia, Guinea and SL. Near collapse of social services, bodies laying in the street to be collected, no one wants to collect them, villagers attacking healthcare workers and social workers who are taking figures, measurements and body counts, those workers then not returning, and so on. Superstition running rampant, rumours, conspiracy, and so on.
It is akin to the very large kill events in history. An Lu Shan Rebellion, WW2, and so on. It gets to a point where counting the dead is not possible because those who count the dead, are dead themselves, or overwhelmed. There is just this massive hole.
You should read more books
Still no links to anything. Just a panic inducing opinion.
Thank you. And thanks to everyone for being kind to share their information.
fucking vaccines
EboLIE: Shep Smith: NOTHING to fear from Ebola: BUT Get your Flu Shot!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3XUMSVrtn0&list=UU3xHAfZZqbMMWjc1ed1ajow
I get a kick out of the way the media and healthcare workers in general have been programmed to say "your flu shot" as if it was as necessary as food, air and water for you to go on living. I also find this wording creepy as if they have a vial reserved with your name on it. Every doctor or nurse I have visited in the last few years have used this exact choice of words..."have you had YOUR flu shot?"...hell no, I tell them, never have, never will. I have yet had one try to convince me I really needed it.
If the US restricted anyone from West Africa from coming into the US there would be no Ebola in the US, there would be virtually no fear of it coming to the US, and no hospitals and healthcare organizations would be buying Ebola supplies and doing Ebola training. So who is benefitting from Ebola? Big Biotech companies, HazMat suppliers, medical supply companies, Ebola training 'experts', and a host of bogus companies (like Solyndra) hoping to catch big chunks of government Ebola funding. And a lot of these give big bucks to Politicians on both sides.
rupert fucking murdoch his oil company with drilling rights on the syrian golan..
motherfucking rabbi also has money in cia vice tv.
Ebola HOAX: VICE EXPOSED COMPLETELY = NWO EBOLA FEAR PORNhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W9n86cIoOA
Hey, the palestinian Heinrich Himmler has returned !
You have returned gushing your "jews are responsible for everything rant" - did you go off your psycho schizo meds for a break ?
What a peste...said Camus...
I think I'll keep a journal...said Defoe.
SMOKE & MIRRORS
obola IS A FAKE
Captain Solyndra kLAIN
Is not back to cure OBOLA,or stop it.
Welcome to Globle Warming REenergizer
"Stimulus Package" 2
He is back to setup the end run for globle warming, which is a huge money laundering scheme moving money from the productive class of America to Democrat donor and the progressive's DNC's pockets.
Aint that right Mr.Po
Beings of limited perceptions (ie not God-like , weak or strong) , live by hope .
See http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2009/10/click-lies-hope-and-sex.html
When hope is disappointed (Ship of hopeful fools) http://www.naturalnews.com/047303_Ebola_quarantine_cruise_ship_lab_techn...
When hope fails (Ship of doomed fools)
http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007701
When hope has failed (Ship is Yellow Submarine)
Panic and try random Walk .
They should blood test everyone leaving Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia. By the time passengers arrive at their destination their ebola status should be clarified. They can then be sent to hospital if infected at their destination.
Its the only way we can deal with it at the moment. Asking people questions on arrival is pointless as has already been demonstrated, especially if they want superior medical care in the USA.
... at no cost to them. (What's not to like?)
quarantine works - always has done, always will - but quarantine isn't PC
WINNER!!! Fantastic idea. Mr Duncan's estimated healthcare was 500K. Compared to that a test is very cost effective. http://www.genekam.de/products/ebola-virus-test
Containment without hermetically sealing the country.
You must be Merino Wool.
So lets say this happened and we found out Mr. Duncan was positive for Ebola while he was on his way here. We still would have spent 500k treating him. We still would have been risking that he becomes contagious after the prescreening test. We would still be risking the virus spreading here. This is not such a great plan. Quarantine measures are the only effective measures. This commenter's idea still allows people to spread this to others on the potentially contagious person's flight, first responders and anyone else that comes into contact with the contagious persons body fluids. Other peoples body fluids are on multitudes of surfaces that you and everyone else comes into contact with everyday.
My thought was that is was the best of a bad situation. but you are correct. I just don't get the ebola in chief. I am frustrated that he is willing to roll the dice with all of our lives. Globalization is more important. It is wakening me to the fact that he doesn't think of America as a sovereign nation but as a global citizen.
If Ebola was centered in the US they'd stop people flying to Africa.
Galveston awaits Sunday morning.
"The U.S. Coast Guard confirmed a crew collected a blood sample from a Dallas lab worker on Carnival Magic.
The vessel is expected in Galveston sometime tomorrow morning. Nearly 6,000 people are on board but one passenger is a lab worker who handled Thomas Eric Duncan's lab specimens.
She is not showing any symptoms of Ebola and hasn't in the last 20 days. But she has been in isolation on board that cruise ship out of an abundance of caution.
The Galveston County health district is waiting for the cruise liner to arrive. They are trying to work out a plan on what they will do but these blood test results will determine their course of action. Whether it's to escort that lab worker off with a medical team or just let her go straight to her car and leave."
http://abc13.com/news/blood-sample-taken-from-dallas-lab-worker-on-cruis...
or incarcerate 6,000 potential carriersfor 3 months ?
Duplicate.
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1027381-nina-pham-boyfriend-isolated-as-...
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1023274-nina-pham-ebola-update-dallas-nu...
Pretty cool interactive map. No twitter allowed in Russia?
http://srogers.cartodb.com/viz/98cb3c42-4d7b-11e4-b811-0e4fddd5de28/publ...